Neil Nelson wrote:

> Getting an amount from each copy would be different from the two

> methods I am thinking about at the moment.  I am initially trying to

> pay for a marketable copy at a price that covers your labor and

> expenses, which of course is not the case for the IOSC.zip file, but

> I am attempting to at least cover your connection costs.  And then

> would be looking to pay some portion of the revenues above the

> total variable and fixed costs.  E.g., I would not be interested at the

> moment in paying a particular amount per copy sold without

> knowing that there will be any revenues to cover the many costs,

> a deficit being very likely for this early stage, otherwise I could be

> doing a bit of effort to have less than what I have now.



You're saying that I get Y money, once I send a completed version and

you can sell it N times for an X price?



This seems to point out that you get N*X money, and I get 1*Y. Does it

only seem to me that you might mathematicaly get infinetely more money

out of this than I?



> But the key point is that we need to get first some revenues and

> then secondly enough revenues to cover our efforts and expenses.

> Spending much time trying to divide up that which we do not have

> does not help us get to where we have something to divide up.  The

> arrangements are quite flexible. If you want to have a different

> arrangement later--and we will certainly have a different

> arrangement later since we hope to be in a position to be able to

> make better arrangements--you can propose something whenever

> you want.  At the moment we are just going copy by copy, day by

> day.  You can make whatever terms you want for each copy (new

> version) you create.



For the first time, I would propose a % of the revenues you get,

counting that you must hold to a minimal price. Then, once you've got

about the idea of how much can be drained out of this, I can estimate

how much is an hour of my work actualy worth.



My current rough estimates, that would fit my thoughts of this, would be

about $3 per hour, with my understanding that a profesional programer's

hour would basicaly mean something like $12. But anyway, even if the

realistic numbers turn out to be something like $1.3 per hour, if I work

hard for one complete month (theoreticaly, of course, in praxis I can't

do this because of school), I can buy myself a TV set [or in

pay-language: have the equivalent of my older brother's monthly payment,

as he is employed in a company of programers and working every day,

including saturdays, for about 4 hours]. So what are your estimates?



> >These "invoices" seem just like the things we've been previously

> >sticking into the copyrights.

> 

> Yes, a kind of title is passed when you sell me a copy that includes

> copyright permissions.  You can write up those permissions however

> you want.  The essential aspect is that we can sell the product in the

> manner we have envisioned, which is to provide download copies

> from, at the moment, a web site I put on my computer and where a

> credit card transation is handled by ccnow.



I would like you and Harold to agree on this one and then tell me, as I

kind of miss the essesional clue of what this actualy means $-wise.



> > I'm currently interested in what are the methods of getting the money to

> > me.

> 

> The easiest though perhaps somewhat slow option is to write a check

> from my account and put it in the mail to you.  We will certainly be

> looking for a better method, but I do not see any problems with sending

> you a check in the mail.  I am certainly interested in any alternative you

> may have.  I expect there could be bank tansfers and such, but much of

> that capability is not yet in place.



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