Ruediger LANDMANN wrote:

> : It goes a bit like: if my existance defines my creation and if my

> : creation defines my creator, how can I exist if my creator does not?

> 

> So how exactly does your existence "define" your creation?



Combine it with some laws of phyisics, and some common knowledge of how

information gets transfered around and you get your defenition.



> Your conception caused your existence. Note the direction in which

> causality flows here...

> 

> You exist because your mother fell pregnant to your father. Your existence

> is evidence of this event, but did not, obviously, cause it. From your

> existence, we can deduce the existence of your parents, and their parents,

> and their parents, but at no stage does it become necessary to bring the

> supernatural in it. Including werewolves.



The matter allas is more complex than you can immediately concieve I'm

afraid. Let me try anyway.



My mother and my father weren't quite my creators, even tho my mother is

responsible for arranging my molecules into the appropriate shape, the

genetic information I contain which includes the genetic information

'provided by' my father is not their creation at all, rahter the

creation of a process generaly known as evolution. Now taking into

account that my creation defines my creator, my creator is the set of

the basic elements, whatever they are, that are responsible for my

creation, in effect including evolution. And since that by the current

'scientific' defenitions mainly contains theories of chaos and

spontaneous happening (which are OMG so so scientific that no proof

supports them not to mention any experimental work or, oh dear,

explanations, that the defention of the creator, whatever it is in

genesis or wherever, suits in there just fine).



Therefore my creator does exist, or we don't either. Pick one.



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