Raab wrote: > > > What do you do with 6 puppies that no one wants? Answer me that. > > > > Simple: You kill them. > > I thought you cared about dogs? I do. They are more my species than humans. It is also true that being one of many doesn't immediately mean you love and are loved by every single one of them. Foregin packs can sound quite killable most of the times. > > I've never said I wanted to let every one of them live or that I wanted > > the world flooded with puppies. I'm not SOME FUCKING STUPID HUMAN like > > all of you here want to be so badly, I don't want any puppies and take > > care of them and all that BULLSHIT. I SIMPLY don't want them neutered if > > you GET WHAT I MEAN, of course you're very OBVIOUSLY INCAPABLE of > > concieving that. > > So if we put contraceptives in their food would you be happier? If the dogs would take them whenever they wanted and they were aware of the results, yes maybe. Still I consider it all highly immoral. > It isn't > like your opinion matters too much. You're obviously in the minority and > you will never be able to effect the changes you want to see. But I have friends. Big, strong, everlasting friends. > > Dogs and me have a diffirent kind of relationship, I see very clearly > > you will NEVER understand. Even if you study it to the rest of your > > life, you'll just LOCK UP IN YOUR BRAINS and stick with your old > > representation of things. You barely even know what a dog is, which is > > your main problem. > > Have you ever actually existed in a pack structure with dogs? I grew up > with eight dogs living with us at one time. To keep them in line, we had to > act like a pack. My dad was alpha, my mom his mate. I was beta and my > siblings were the same. The dogs were all lower than us in the pack, though > they all had their own order as well.. Since we were in a pack structure, > of course when the females went into heat they would want my dad or myself > to mate with them. That doesn't mean I fucked the bitches, because I did > not. I don't get carried away with things like you obviously do. You're playing on the wrong cards here. No I have not lived with dogs, simply because my parents refuse to let me have any. That didn't prevent me from finding dogs and socializing with them tho. I have my territory and there are lots of dogs there, males, females and cubs. It didn't take 10 years for me to get to them, it didn't go step by step, the moment I claimed the territory, the dogs were picking up my scent from extreemely large distances and responding to my every thought, even exhibiting wolf behaviours at times (packmaking ones for instance). Some dogs preffer to mimic my behaviours (the wink always being the fastest learnt one) and are generaly very intereseted in me. I can hear their thoughts and all of their behaviour is such that there is no doubt. Most dogs consider me as a total peer (that is, dogs I meet on the street for a cupple of seconds, not those I may have lived with all my life), the relationship that I learned would fall appart within minutes when attempted with humans, actualy works between myself and dogs. > > What's up with neutering? It's fucking disgusting, that's what it is. > > Why? Very simply it's a thing you wouldn't be doing if you ever remotely > > considered a dog your approximate equal. > > If dogs are our equals then all the more reason. People get fixed all the > time, why shouldn't dogs? They can't wear condoms, so neutering is the next > logical step. No it's not the next logical step. Dogs keep a neat diplomatic subordinative relationship to humans and they trust their life with their mates anyhow. I live that relationship with humans as well because nothing else will really work and I've subordinated. I've let my legal owners remove my healthy cannine teeth (because they didn't like what the society might think about how I looked with them) because I trusted they would have a sufficient heart to do what is actualy best for me. I still can't chew right and I know it wasn't a good idea they did it, but I don't complain. Still they did it. And somebody's testicles are a lot more touchy topic that somebody's teeth, still you like to remove them or do other grusome things with them (because you think their look in the society would be better for it). The dog is ok, he won't complain, yet it is a fucking bad thing to do. Man, how do I tell you this? Somebody trusts his life with you and you betray him completely so you can THINK you will make better use of him! And you think it's a good idea! > Trust me, most dogs would rather be fixed than be dead. They have a drive > for self preservation just like humans (mentally healthy ones anyway) do. > How much canine body language have you learned to be able to interpret their > wants for them? It's instinctive, I am not aware of it. It seems to be quite good tho on getting a message accross in either direction. > > Geesus, you people make sueccide sound like a good option with your > > total and complete ignorance. No wonder all my freinds gave up on > > reasoning with you. Just sorry for taking it all out on you, it seems to > > me now like the response would be more appropriate to be sent to just > > about anyone else that replied, you at least read what I wrote. > > I get the feeling you are just blowing out your ass. Are you just taking a > stand on this issue to seem more masculine? No. I write what I mean. > I admit that I do not like the idea of neutering but it is necessary to > prevent unneeded suffering.. or would you rather the dogs suffer? 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