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[01:58:07] <neocortex> *hides from Viper*
[02:01:55] <Viper> Hello too neocortex
[02:02:02] <neocortex> *runs*
[02:02:14] <neocortex> :
[02:02:51] <neocortex> .
[02:03:12] <neocortex> how did you know it was me?
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[02:03:45] <neocortex> Hi Grits
[02:03:45] <Grits> what's up
[02:03:48] <neocortex> nothing
[02:03:51] <Grits> hi
[02:04:05] <neocortex> back at the sperm bank
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[02:04:12] <neocortex> they axed the Sydney gig
[02:04:14] <neocortex> :(
[02:04:35] <neocortex> the company I work for is full of wanna-be architects that have no clue
[02:04:42] <neocortex> they don't read
[02:04:44] <neocortex> they code
[02:04:56] <neocortex> they sit there and draw stupid UML diagrams
[02:05:04] <neocortex> and make it look as complex as possible
[02:05:12] <neocortex> they don't even use correct UML syntax
[02:05:16] <neocortex> I hate them
[02:05:33] <neocortex> Hi Viper
[02:05:49] <neocortex> *they don't code
[02:05:52] <neocortex> ^^
[02:05:56] <neocortex> they do nothing
[02:06:04] <neocortex> they create complexity
[02:06:12] <neocortex> and they have no understanding
[02:06:16] <neocortex> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[02:06:29] <neocortex> and they get pay rises
[02:06:39] <neocortex> everyone in my company got a pay rise last week
[02:06:41] <neocortex> except me
[02:07:08] <neocortex> 18 months ago they promised me a pay rise in April this year
[02:07:22] <neocortex> last week they said ... "we've decided not to give you a pay rise"
[02:07:47] <neocortex> so angry
[02:08:00] <neocortex> they hate me because I'm gay
[02:08:18] <neocortex> and because I'm prepared to speak the truth
[02:08:19] <Kebap> http://pic.leech.it/i/6a7ee/387841fchatroulet.jpg
[02:09:30] <neocortex> that's creepy
[02:12:02] <neocortex> but funny too
[02:15:20] <Grits> whoa
[02:15:47] <Grits> WTF you're gay?
[02:15:50] <neocortex> lol
[02:15:56] <neocortex> yup
[02:16:03] <neocortex> not creepy gay
[02:16:05] <Grits> I thought I was just doing really well
[02:16:10] <neocortex> :D
[02:16:43] <Grits> this is like remembering that hot chick I took dancing is all over me because she's a prostitute I paid
[02:17:10] <neocortex> :D
[02:17:11] <neocortex> haha
[02:17:13] <neocortex> lol
[02:17:20] <Grits> it all makes perfect sense now, this is why you're in love with me
[02:17:26] <neocortex> :D
[02:17:27] <neocortex> yes
[02:17:28] <Grits> I'm pretty much every gay man's wet dream
[02:17:32] <neocortex> lol
[02:17:33] <neocortex> haha
[02:17:36] <Grits> WHAT
[02:17:38] <neocortex> haha
[02:17:44] <neocortex> you funny Grits
[02:17:49] <Grits> what's so fucking funny
[02:17:53] <neocortex> :D
[02:17:58] <Grits> grr
[02:17:59] <neocortex> I don't know
[02:18:02] <neocortex> grr
[02:18:26] <Grits> this is some bullshit
[02:18:31] <neocortex> yup
[02:18:58] <Kebap> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0754/5221_4c47.gif
[02:23:13] <neocortex> :'(
[02:25:02] <neocortex> that image is infinitely worse than the swastika
[02:25:56] <lukas> seems people are doing sick stuff over internet :(
[02:28:36] <neocortex> my god that was terrible
[02:32:12] <neocortex> I feel really disturbed
[02:33:50] <Grits> hmm
[02:33:54] <Viper> people do sick stuff in real life too
[02:34:04] <neocortex> they shouldn't
[02:34:47] <Grits> hahaha that gif is awesome
[02:35:01] <neocortex> :'(
[02:36:52] <Viper> that guy is pedophile asking kids for boobs?
[02:37:21] <neocortex> and killing a duck for it
[02:37:27] <neocortex> with a snake
[02:37:31] <neocortex> how wicked is that
[02:37:57] <Viper> i was feeding mice to snakes
[02:38:02] <neocortex> :'(
[02:38:05] <neocortex> living mice
[02:38:18] <Viper> Yea i was working in some kind zoo
[02:38:37] <Viper> They eat only living animals
[02:38:48] <neocortex> I don't like existence anymore
[02:38:55] <Viper> they wont even touch it if its dead
[02:39:26] <Viper> one mice for a week or two
[02:39:56] <Viper> neocortex existence of what?
[02:40:32] <neocortex> of the World
[02:41:06] <Viper> because of snake?
[02:41:29] <neocortex> because we consume eachother
[02:41:58] <Viper> man that is nature. When snake eat mice
[02:42:04] <neocortex> and the pain of being consumed is never balanced by the joy of consuming another
[02:42:20] <neocortex> so the sum total of pain is always greater than the sum total of joy
[02:42:37] <neocortex> the existence of the World mean pain
[02:42:48] <Viper> not true
[02:42:48] <neocortex> the sense of the World
[02:42:51] <neocortex> why
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[02:51:28] <Viper> [2:42am] <neocortex> the existence of the World mean pain
[02:51:34] <Viper> that is not true
[02:53:15] <neocortex> *means
[02:53:35] <neocortex> it's just a rhetorical device
[02:53:42] <neocortex> I know it's not the Truth
[02:53:48] <neocortex> but it conveys something significant
[02:53:58] <neocortex> the World is painful...is some way
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[02:55:55] <neocortex> omgomgomg
[02:55:57] <neocortex> he's here
[02:56:01] <neocortex> look!!!
[02:56:03] <neocortex> *points*
[02:56:51] * God is listening to Free Software Song by Fenster [Amarok2]
[02:57:05] <neocortex> lol 'Fenster'
[02:57:32] <neocortex> lol - Willhelm Gaistes
[02:57:49] <neocortex> *Geistes
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[03:06:19] <Viper> wb stewie_
[03:06:29] <neocortex> hi Stewie_
[03:06:57] <Stewie_> hey
[03:06:58] <Stewie_> thx ^^
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[03:18:09] <neocortex> Our Father, who art on the RBOSE server, totally awesome be they nick,
[03:18:37] <neocortex> ... please make the World rad
[03:18:40] <neocortex> thanks dude
[03:22:09] <neocortex> and Father...
[03:22:20] <neocortex> please stop creepy people doing shit on the internet
[03:23:10] <neocortex> and Father...
[03:23:27] <neocortex> please let DNS focus on his pillow skills
[03:24:44] <DNS> !pillow neocortex
[03:24:45] <infobot> 
ACTION quickly throws a pillow in the face of neocortex.
[03:24:49] <neocortex> ouch!
[03:24:53] <neocortex> :|
[03:24:55] <neocortex> don't!
[03:25:01] <neocortex> I was talking to God
[03:25:22] <neocortex> Jesus Christ!
[03:25:28] <neocortex> what's got into you man!
[03:37:07] <Viper> You know that God is my clone? LOL
[03:37:20] <neocortex> :o
[03:38:25] <neocortex> Begon Serpent!
[03:38:30] <neocortex> *Begone
[03:41:47] <neocortex> just kidding viper...please don't go
[03:42:09] <neocortex> down to New Orleans
[03:42:22] <neocortex> they kill serpents down there
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[03:58:17] <neocortex> and Father...
[03:58:44] <neocortex> please make the RBOSE chat room return to being as cool as it was before the recent hardware upgrade...
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[04:10:09] <neocortex> and Father...please make me architect for the next project
[04:16:36] <neocortex> and Father...please teach coders the importance of refactoring
[04:16:40] <neocortex> and unit testing
[04:18:12] <neocortex> ...and let he who has no reckoning of the concept of Object-Oriented Programming adopt the label of 'Object-Oriented Programmer'
[04:42:06] <neocortex> ...and please make BP suffer eternal damnation
[04:57:20] <neocortex> ...and please make Led Zeppelin reform
[05:15:48] <neocortex> ...and please make Pink Floyd do a world tour
[05:19:32] <neocortex> *NOT adopt the label of 'Object-Oriented Programmer' ^^
[05:19:49] <neocortex> swastika
[06:05:05] <Billll> HEIL Hitler
[06:05:10] <Billll> wat wat O_o
[06:18:11] <neocortex> :D
[06:18:53] <neocortex> lol - wat wat
[06:19:20] <neocortex> ( )( )
[06:32:19] <Billll> lol
[06:32:50] <neocortex> ha
[06:35:55] <Billll> hey neo what's up?
[06:35:57] <Billll> O_o
[06:36:00] <neocortex> hi billll
[06:36:11] <neocortex> still working here
[06:36:18] * Billll waves
[06:36:24] <neocortex> back on the bench tomorrow
[06:36:26] <Billll> working O_o
[06:36:31] <Billll> ooo
[06:36:56] <Billll> where u work it if I may ask
[06:37:04] <neocortex> Melbourne Sperm Bank
[06:37:08] <Billll> sweet
[06:37:09] <neocortex> IT consultant
[06:37:13] <Billll> cool
[06:37:26] <Billll> interesting place of work
[06:38:00] <neocortex> yes
[06:38:02] <neocortex> of course
[06:38:16] <Billll> u get to see guy slongs ooo
[06:38:25] <neocortex> lol
[06:38:27] <neocortex> no
[06:38:30] <Billll> maybe woman slongs to X_X
[06:38:35] <neocortex> lol
[06:38:35] <neocortex> no
[06:38:43] <neocortex> I see the guys
[06:38:46] <neocortex> I see the girls
[06:38:51] <neocortex> but not the slongs
[06:38:55] <Billll> ahhh
[06:38:58] <neocortex> lol
[06:39:07] <Billll> I see animals slongs >_>
[06:39:12] <neocortex> really
[06:39:17] <Billll> yeah actuall
[06:39:21] <Billll> actually
[06:39:25] <neocortex> lol
[06:39:28] <Billll> I see bull slongs
[06:39:32] <neocortex> haha
[06:39:42] <neocortex> cool
[06:39:59] <Billll> and when I see my parents nowadays I see a shitte load of animals slongs, some pigs, some bulls, some llamas and goats
[06:40:22] <neocortex> awesome...on a farm?
[06:40:26] <Billll> yeah
[06:40:32] <neocortex> so cool
[06:41:00] <Billll> I fix tractors when I was in my teen years and I guess I'm known for that in my hometown
[06:41:01] <neocortex> do you have a girlfriend?
[06:41:06] <Billll> no sir
[06:41:16] <neocortex> was it a big town?
[06:41:24] <Billll> hhmmm not really
[06:41:30] <neocortex> 10,000?
[06:41:37] <Billll> full of farmers, amish and bums
[06:41:43] <neocortex> whoa
[06:41:44] <Billll> meth labs
[06:41:45] <neocortex> awesome
[06:41:48] <neocortex> ewww
[06:41:50] <neocortex> not awesome
[06:42:06] <Billll> mafia like to hide out their and do corrupt activites until their caught
[06:42:16] <neocortex> oh dear
[06:42:27] <neocortex> chicago?
[06:42:39] <Billll> yeah Ohio is a bit odd once I learned outside my little area how other people lived I realized Ohio it somewhat of a outlier
[06:43:01] <Billll> from Cleveland, yuongstown and Akron PA
[06:43:08] <Billll> pa*
[06:43:19] <Billll> those are cities*
[06:43:28] <neocortex> I see
[06:43:34] <neocortex> when you're a doctor...you'll be out of there?
[06:43:49] <Billll> Russian and italian Mafia would do their wars and dump bodies out their =P
[06:43:55] <neocortex> omg
[06:44:01] <Billll> neo no I'll still be here
[06:44:21] <Billll> the irong is I'll be going to NEO-UCOM
[06:44:22] <Billll> LOL
[06:44:27] <Billll> irony*
[06:44:44] <Billll> wow that's bad LOL
[06:44:50] <Billll> NEo-U-COM
[06:44:53] <Billll> LOL
[06:45:00] <neocortex> lol
[06:45:13] <Billll> that's a medical college I'll be at for three years
[06:45:26] <Billll> wow I'l be a great medical doctor already making jokes =P
[06:46:19] <Billll> should start this coming aug, I'm ready to start now though but meh
[06:49:49] <neocortex> lol
[06:50:07] <neocortex> that's so awesome
[06:50:24] <neocortex> don't party too much at university
[06:50:42] <Billll> yeah right
[06:50:45] <Billll> I
[06:50:45] <neocortex> lol
[06:50:50] <Billll> I party like I do now
[06:50:56] <neocortex> much?
[06:51:01] <Billll> and program :D
[06:51:04] <neocortex> :D
[06:51:08] <neocortex> cool
[06:51:22] <Billll> lol
[06:52:30] <Billll> but yeah med school should be interesting
[06:52:40] <neocortex> def
[06:52:47] <Billll> with this universal health care plan, their will be more needs for docotors
[06:53:00] <neocortex> have you always been into anatomy?
[06:53:16] <Billll> my theory goes that they will eventually drop the standards for nurses and doctors to push more in and out of those fields asap
[06:53:17] <neocortex> and stuff
[06:53:31] <neocortex> sound probable
[06:53:34] <Billll> neo not at all unless you mean mechanical atanomy then yes
[06:54:04] <neocortex> robotics
[06:54:11] <Billll> I have no interest in humans unless it's the intelligence and how we think, aka I'm interested in AI
[06:54:14] <Billll> yes
[06:54:19] <neocortex> :D
[06:54:21] <neocortex> awesome
[06:54:49] <neocortex> will you be a brain surgeon?
[06:55:19] <Billll> I plan to make better enhanced mechanical appendages for people with missing limbs
[06:55:22] <Billll> nopers
[06:55:35] <neocortex> wicked
[06:55:38] <Billll> indeed
[06:55:48] <Billll> some would diagree that what i will be doing is good
[06:55:52] <Billll> disagree*
[06:56:07] <Billll> which is ok because their right so I'll have three years to think about it
[06:56:14] <Billll> med school came up all of a sudden
[06:56:44] <Billll> took a tets didn't think anythig of it and then I rethought it over and decided to do it
[06:57:14] <Billll> it's very interesting
[06:59:54] <neocortex> you're going to be so popular
[07:00:05] <Billll> well I guess so
[07:00:08] <neocortex> :D
[07:00:23] <Billll> now people in my hometown think I'm a doctor so they'll come to me when their animals are sick
[07:00:24] <Billll> =P
[07:00:33] <Billll> animal*
[07:00:35] <neocortex> lol
[07:00:42] <neocortex> so funny
[07:00:53] <neocortex> do you make jokes to them
[07:01:04] <Billll> so I'm already prepping to learn animal anatomy
[07:01:15] <Billll> yeah I joke all the time
[07:01:18] <neocortex> lol
[07:02:28] <neocortex> do you anthropocize the cows and stuff
[07:02:51] <neocortex> it's funny just thinking about it
[07:03:38] <Billll> i am the cow
[07:03:39] <Billll> moo
[07:03:58] <neocortex> lol
[07:04:05] <neocortex> awesome dude
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[07:08:25] <neocortex> Billll!...totally audacsious dude!
[07:08:37] <neocortex> *audacious
[07:08:37] <Billll> tubular!
[07:08:41] <neocortex> lol
[07:08:53] <neocortex> *plays air-guitar*
[07:09:49] <neocortex> *malmsteen lick sounds*
[07:10:30] <neocortex> Billll...you're totally going to be the first Trans-Human docture dude!
[07:10:39] <Billll> haha
[07:10:40] <Billll> wat wat
[07:10:45] <neocortex> :D
[07:10:48] <Billll> I am bog
[07:10:55] <Billll> I will assimilate you
[07:11:00] <Billll> resistant is futile!
[07:11:01] <neocortex> yay
[07:11:05] <Billll> bord*
[07:11:09] <Billll> borg*
[07:11:27] <neocortex> lol
[07:24:11] <neocortex> you know what's funny...
[07:25:15] <neocortex> when you use an OO pattern to solve a problem and the team thinks it's black magic and virtually prohibit you from using non-sensical solutions
[07:32:48] <neocortex> my head feels like it's being crushed between two giga-watt magnets
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[08:21:57] <Billll> ooo
[08:29:34] <neocortex> lol
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[09:07:43] <Billll> Lukas
[09:07:51] <Billll> if you are around i r need to talk with you
[09:07:53] <Billll> :D
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[09:19:34] <Nanos> Good day folks.
[09:20:52] <Billll> oo
[09:20:58] <Billll> good day nanos
[09:21:18] <Billll> nanons nice post on CS
[09:21:24] <Billll> nanos*
[09:21:33] <Nanos> Thanks, I was just finishing one on my local UK chapter forum too..
[09:21:42] <Nanos> I just couldn't stand by and not say anything..
[09:21:55] <Billll> oohhh
[09:21:59] <Billll> stand by?
[09:22:02] <Nanos> Perhaps you might want to read it.
[09:22:08] <Billll> of course :D
[09:22:09] <Nanos> Stand by = saying, sit and do nothing.
[09:22:15] <Billll> oohh i know
[09:22:20] <Billll> but stand by for what?
[09:22:28] <Nanos> I saw some sensible people wander into the forum, get insulted and told they are wrong..
[09:22:39] <Billll> oh
[09:22:46] <Nanos> stand by, its a saying here, means not to do anything.
[09:22:56] <Nanos> Let me dig up the link..
[09:23:01] <Billll> <Nanos>Thanks, I was just finishing one on my local UK chapter forum too.. <-- didn't reconize this I was thinknig a seperate forum altogether
[09:23:18] <Billll> I know you post on differnt forums, should of got you were posting on TZM
[09:23:22] <Billll> kk
[09:23:36] <Billll> I take it this is a sperate site of TZM?
[09:23:39] <Nanos> Well, its a UK TZM site, so not the same as the US forum, but still part of TZM
[09:23:40] <Billll> seperate?
[09:23:50] <Nanos> Well, kinda.. offically part of TZM.
[09:23:51] <Billll> ah ok
[09:23:56] <Nanos> But some of the admins there are sensible like us..
[09:23:59] <Nanos> Just not all of them :-(
[09:24:09] <Billll> meh
[09:24:11] <Nanos> I've had posts of mine deleted there and got banned for a while before.
[09:24:11] <Billll> happens lol
[09:24:22] <Nanos> Trouble is, the place is getting infected with the wrong sort so to speak..
[09:24:22] <Billll> =P
[09:24:33] <Billll> interesting
[09:24:36] <Nanos> So its turning into the US site :-(
[09:24:54] <Nanos> http://www.thezeitgeistmovementuk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&p=10069#p10069
[09:24:55] <rBOTse> URL Title: View topic - Living without a bank account until an RBE | The Zeitgeist Movement UK (at www.thezeitgeistmovementuk.com)
[09:25:01] <Billll> ell I'm from the US and Tzm people in the US are use to work like drones
[09:25:09] <Billll> and VTV is fat
[09:25:16] * Nanos smirks @ fat thing
[09:25:21] <Billll> oh  know
[09:25:24] <Billll> it's obvious
[09:25:36] <Billll> but I keep stating it because I know it bothers VTV
[09:26:01] <Nanos> I know, and I don't complain too much because I reckon he still deserves a bit of mud being thrown back.
[09:26:03] <Billll> I imagine VTV thinks of him self with ab's, not fat, but atheletic dragon slayer
[09:26:15] <Nanos> Perhaps when the balance has been addressed I'll feel more charitable.
[09:26:24] <kman> Billll, howd it go with the ps2s last night?
[09:26:36] <Billll> kman great
[09:26:47] <Billll> kman you trying to break up the TZm talk >_>
[09:26:54] <kman> No! No im not man.
[09:26:58] <Billll> LOL
[09:27:00] <Billll> sure sure
[09:27:01] <Nanos> Probably just trying to get us to focus on more constructive things :-)
[09:27:02] <kman> :3
[09:27:06] <Billll> indeed
[09:27:13] <Billll> I was contructiv today
[09:27:38] <Billll> Imma building a ps2 super comptuer well it's no longe me it's me and my co-workers
[09:27:39] <Billll> :D
[09:27:41] <Nanos> I like more constructive too, but I also think one should pay ones debts so to speak.
[09:27:51] <Billll> indeed
[09:28:08] <Nanos> Didn't they change something recently to make running linux harder with those, or was that the PS3 ?
[09:28:23] <Billll> kman centralized computer to control ps2 is the key :D
[09:28:30] <kman> Oh yeah.
[09:28:32] <Billll> nanos that's ps2 you ase correct
[09:28:36] <kman> Billll, anywhere i can follow the project?
[09:28:44] <Nanos> Its the kind of thing that interests me too.,
[09:28:47] <Billll> I should make a wiki
[09:28:53] <Billll> I was trying to get a pms link
[09:28:56] <kman> That would be awesome.
[09:29:02] <Billll> kman cna u plz hook me >_>
[09:29:11] <Nanos> I'm also keen on photonic and quantum computing, though just a beginner.
[09:29:47] <kman> Nanos, for what purpose? 
[09:29:55] <kman> Billll, a link to the pms?
[09:29:59] <Billll> kman fyi if all goes well I'll ship this to pest to eb hosted in sweden, and it should be energy conservative to save him a lot of money :D
[09:30:03] <Billll> yes
[09:30:17] <Nanos> A few purposes.. I'm keen to develop fast computing solutions to run AI systems on, so they can help me design nanotech solutions to stop me from dying!
[09:30:18] <Billll> kman you familair with the pms system?
[09:30:26] <Nanos> Also to crack such systems as Eternity II..
[09:30:26] <kman> http://pms.rbose.org/login
[09:30:27] <rBOTse> URL Title: RBOSE PMS (at pms.rbose.org)
[09:30:30] <Billll> thank you :D
[09:30:44] <kman> If you registered at the old one just use the "lost pwd"
[09:30:47] <kman> ^^
[09:30:49] <Billll> wow not a tricky link why the heck was I having such a ahrd time finding it
[09:30:56] <kman> Hahaha
[09:31:07] <Billll> >_>
[09:31:29] <Billll> anyways
[09:31:31] <Nanos> Plus, its just interesting to tinker with it, same with fusion, thats interesting to tinker with.
[09:32:05] <Nanos> Me being a fan of Farnsworth–Hirsch and Polywell fusion.
[09:32:18] <Billll> I was making a arcade machine GUI formate and it'll be ported over aka downlaoded to ps2 central control and maintenance computer to be the GUI :D
[09:32:27] <kman> Nanos, i completely agree. If its cheap and energy efficient, why not take part of it.
[09:32:47] <Billll> ooo
[09:32:59] <Nanos> Same with solar vehicles :-)
[09:33:08] <kman> Billll, daum. I think im gonna have to get me a ps2 with a broken cd drive. I could totally manage my hydroponic plant with one.
[09:33:12] <Billll> I wanted to expirment with differnt types of energy this summer but looks like I'm being led back to technology
[09:33:26] <kman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_for_PlayStation_2
[09:33:27] <rBOTse> URL Title: Linux for PlayStation 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
[09:33:28] <Billll> defiilty
[09:33:28] <Nanos> What types did you have in mind ?
[09:33:44] <Billll> kman allow my ps2 cluster to manage your plant virtual online LOL
[09:33:50] <Nanos> I'm also a fan of geothermal, in particular the powertube solution.
[09:33:53] <kman> Haha
[09:33:54] <kman> Yeah.
[09:34:04] <Billll> big security risk
[09:34:10] <Billll> and is connection died watch out
[09:34:11] <kman> But it would be a fun challenge for me. Im very new to programming and hardware interfacing.
[09:34:25] <Nanos> http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=247 http://www.powertubeinc.com
[09:34:26] <rBOTse> URL Title: EV WORLD: Power Tube Promises - Part 2 (at www.evworld.com)
[09:34:34] <Billll> Kman it's quite fun
[09:34:36] <Nanos> Its a more efficient way to turn geothermal heat to electricity.
[09:35:17] <Nanos> I would love to build such a plant in the UK. (We have one working geothermal plant built 20+ years ago.)
[09:35:34] <Billll> ooo
[09:35:39] <Billll> geothermal ftw :D
[09:35:44] <Nanos> I reckon it might not be too hard to do with a government loan and some investors.
[09:36:10] <kman> Billll, what is the power consumption of a ps2? 
[09:36:15] <Nanos> I like the idea of running it such that domestic customers get a free electricity allowance, so it will be a little RBE like.
[09:36:20] <kman> (wierd question)
[09:36:33] <Nanos> I used to know the answer to that one..
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[09:36:47] <Billll> depends kman
[09:36:58] <kman> Yes.
[09:37:00] <Nanos> I was keen to build a beowulf system myself using PS2's at one point.
[09:37:05] <Billll> around 90 wats for a old aka big Ps2
[09:37:13] <Billll> mini PS2 around 30
[09:37:19] <kman> Ic.,
[09:37:22] <Nanos> For now, I just use a quad core intel chip PC.
[09:37:27] <kman> Are there any linux distros that can run on the mini?
[09:37:32] <Billll> but shouldn't atter kman
[09:37:45] <Billll> I'm ripping the Psu's out of the Ps2's
[09:37:56] <Billll> and putting all the power intil one psu unit
[09:38:31] <Billll> it's more efficent that way, saves on power, in the long wrong it'll save on repair bills for overheating ps2's
[09:38:44] <Billll> it creates a lot of unneeded heat
[09:38:49] <kman> Man you need a wiki for this :)
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[09:39:01] <kman> Or more like, i need you to need a wiki for this.
[09:39:23] <Billll> I figured out the math and the cost/benifit of taking out the PSu and putting in a centralized one won over
[09:39:51] <Billll> Kman when we're done with this it won't look like a ps2 anymore >_>
[09:39:55] <Nanos> http://www.beowulf.org is a useful link there.
[09:39:58] <rBOTse> URL Title: Beowulf.org: The Beowulf Cluster Site (at www.beowulf.org)
[09:40:16] <Billll> keep in mind I've spent not over $400 for all 50 ps2's
[09:40:17] <kman> Billll, thats wtg
[09:40:22] <kman> Haha yeah.
[09:40:37] <Billll> yes kman wattage
[09:40:46] <Nanos> Are you putting them someplace that heat generation won't be an issue ?
[09:40:48] <kman> ^^
[09:40:57] <Nanos> Here with 13 PC's running at times, even with the AC on full blast, its still 49c..
[09:42:07] <Nanos> One might want to think about a chimney to exhaust the hot air. (For part of my setup here, I use AC ducting and a bathroom extract fan.)
[09:42:25] <Billll> when putting the PS2's on a central ps2 it'll reduce watt needed to run ps2 and with a few modifiction it'll be very energy effiecent.
[09:42:29] <Nanos> But what I really need is a big hole in the ceiling :-)
[09:43:02] <Nanos> There is also the issue of turning them all on at once tripping the mains out.. how do you solve that, stagged starting ?
[09:43:12] <Nanos> Or do you run them all through an UPS ?
[09:43:17] <Billll> making easy access to repair mobo, sticking in some basic fans, to cool off, making a box for venting are just as importnt as well
[09:43:49] <Nanos> I hear with so many machines, the chances of any one needing maintence at any one time is quite high. (Reminds me of MMORPG's where at any moment, some HD someplace in one server has just died..)
[09:43:49] <Billll> keeping the box a bit off the gound to get heat out asap
[09:44:13] <Nanos> I had pondered myself, one huge fan, rather than lots of small ones.
[09:44:33] <Billll> that's stuff I typically do with anything, i suppose i'll play by ear with the rest
[09:44:40] <Nanos> I used to have a supercomputer once and it sounded like concord taking off when you turned it on with its huge fans!
[09:44:59] <Billll> lol
[09:45:11] <Nanos> Used to suck 3kw when it was on too..
[09:45:18] <Nanos> A domestic supercomputer :-)
[09:45:28] <Billll> lol
[09:45:41] <Nanos> HP Apollo Domain Series 10,000 model, I still have the front panel which is now on the front of my fridge.
[09:46:02] <Nanos> I was hanging out in the newsgroup supercomputer and asked for a free one years ago..
[09:46:07] <Nanos> It wasn't free, but very cheap!
[09:46:37] <Billll> o
[09:46:39] <Billll> :D
[09:46:47] <Billll> that's what i'm about
[09:46:53] <Billll> building cheap super computers
[09:47:21] <Nanos> I reckon distributed systems using our existing computers would also be a good solution too.
[09:47:52] <Billll> meh
[09:48:10] <Billll> what's good about Ps2 is their cheap
[09:48:14] <Billll> and a lot fo them are made
[09:48:21] <Billll> and a lot of people have Ps2's
[09:48:32] <Billll> and have no clue whn you cluster them you can make super computers
[09:48:43] <Nanos> Wasn't Saddam supposed to be using those :-)
[09:48:54] <Billll> ultimatly I'm fidning people toss them out just because they think it's old and useless, and they don't play it anymore
[09:49:01] <Billll> HAHA
[09:49:04] <Nanos> http://beesbuzz.biz/blog/e/2003/01/23-saddam_hussein.php
[09:49:06] <rBOTse> URL Title: Plaidophile: Saddam Hussein importing PS2s (at beesbuzz.biz)
[09:49:23] <Billll> reason why is to much supply not enough demand besides myself :D
[09:49:53] <Nanos> How do you network them ?
[09:50:27] <Billll> well it'll be a centrailiz network through the central computer
[09:50:47] <Billll> I'm making a GUi and termianl based on my arcade machine
[09:50:51] <Nanos> I mean, what hardware so to speak, as I thought you needed a rather expensive network addon for that.
[09:51:14] <Nanos> I do remember though creating a network using midi ports on the Atari ST many decades ago now..
[09:51:28] <Nanos> 500 bloody wires to solder together I remember in a patch panel with switches!
[09:51:31] <Billll> no Ps2 has either net jack in it
[09:51:53] <Nanos> Oh thats handy, is that a recent change in the design, I can't remember what it used to have!
[09:51:54] <Billll> aka card we'll use that*
[09:52:25] <Billll> interesting I'll have to check all of mine to see I only have 42 right nowat my house more wll be coming
[09:52:37] <Nanos> Used to play Midimaze with all the family, great way for kids to let off steam and kick the ass of their older brother :-)
[09:52:42] <Billll> it won't be much of a problem to add on a card if they don't
[09:53:02] <Nanos> Depends on the cost, I think it was quite high some time ago, but by now someone might have a very low cost DIY solution.
[09:53:22] <Nanos> One of the things I like about old tech, it can be very cheap nowdays.
[09:53:36] <Billll> meh yeah
[09:53:39] <Billll> depends I suppose
[09:53:47] <Billll> I never by old tech uopdates like ram
[09:53:49] <Nanos> www.hackaday.com I love for that stuff.
[09:53:56] <Billll> it cost as much as when I bought the computer
[09:53:57] <Billll> =P
[09:54:04] <obst> I also really like the idea of a distributed computing system. But why do you want to build on that old hardware?
[09:54:24] <Nanos> Low cost I imagine.
[09:55:10] <kman> Nanos, hackaday goes well with the morning tea ^^
[09:55:34] <Nanos> Indeed :-)
[09:56:17] <Nanos> I can't wait until the day comes I manage a bit of fusion, wanted to do that to add it to my CV :-) www.fusor.net for those interested.
[09:57:06] <Nanos> I'm on that forum too..
[09:57:31] <Nanos> Plus this fusion one: http://www.talk-polywell.org
[09:57:32] <rBOTse> URL Title: Talk-Polywell.org (at www.talk-polywell.org)
[09:57:37] <Nanos> Two of the best places to hang out for fusion stuff I've found.
[09:58:03] <Nanos> They even mentioned TZM I think, though not very encouragingly..
[09:58:29] <kman> Nanos, i'll have a look later. Looks interesting.
[09:58:32] <Nanos> Its a bit ironic, as the place I@m looking to move to in the UK< has a non-nuclear policy..
[09:58:50] <Nanos> Bloody typical isn't it!
[09:59:00] <Nanos> Sometimes we are so backward here..
[10:00:24] <Nanos> Another, interesting thing is spaceplanes, in particular this UK effort: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaction_Engines_Skylon
[10:00:25] <rBOTse> URL Title: Reaction Engines Skylon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
[10:00:49] <Nanos> I had hoped TZM would get into the satellite launching business, ideal way to help develop science focused community building efforts, make some money and push the technological envelope.
[10:01:12] <kman> Im off. Bbl. Have a great day everyone!
[10:01:25] <Nanos> I thought we'd see us get into http://www.googlelunarxprize.org for example.
[10:01:26] <rBOTse> URL Title: Google Lunar X PRIZE (at www.googlelunarxprize.org)
[10:01:27] <Nanos> Bye kman!
[10:01:29] <obst> The CPU of a PS2 does 6.2 gigaFLOPS with 30-90 watts like stated before, a core i7 processor does  ~75 gigaFLOPS @ 130 watts ( ~200 Watts whole system). Did you hear about BOINC? For Seti@Home and so on..
[10:02:08] <Nanos> There is also is it, GPU processing now as well, such as the Telsa thingy.
[10:02:14] <Billll> oopss obst
[10:02:23] <kalken> !morning all
[10:02:24] <infobot> 
ACTION wishes everbody in #RBOSE a wonderful morning and a great start in the day!
[10:02:26] <Nanos> http://www.nvidia.com/object/tesla_computing_solutions.html
[10:02:28] <rBOTse> URL Title: High Performance Computing (HPC) - Supercomputing with NVIDIA Tesla (at www.nvidia.com)
[10:02:39] <Nanos> And ATI's equalivant.
[10:02:52] <obst> yes I'm aware of that
[10:02:58] <Billll> ps2 has decent specs and it's cheap, everyone has one and wants to sell or throw them out because they think it's out of day
[10:03:05] <Nanos> I'm tinkering a little with the ATI offering myself.
[10:03:15] <Billll> when you get a cluster fuck gonig on a loclized location it's amazing
[10:03:36] <Billll> good economic buy
[10:03:38] <Nanos> Your ps2 solution is certainly the most affordable solution.
[10:04:04] <Nanos> Its like how I see solar PV as a good way to go to start with, cheap to get started and add to.
[10:04:18] <Nanos> A whole PC nowdays is pretty expensive!
[10:04:25] * Billll cracking open another beer
[10:04:45] <Billll> heya kalken
[10:05:03] <Nanos> One of the reasons I@m keen on photonic computing is the idea that you can run multiable threads at different wavelenghts on the same single physical CPU.
[10:05:03] <kalken> hello Billll :)
[10:05:06] <kalken> whats up?
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[10:05:32] <Nanos> I ponder it might be possible to build a very large simple photonic cpu, perhaps room sized thats something like an 8bit cpu.
[10:05:34] <Billll> relxing here
[10:05:56] <kalken> nice.
[10:06:00] <Nanos> But info on photonic logic appears rather sparsh, though there are reports of cpu's having been built, just rather a lack of details!
[10:06:31] <Billll> keep in mind watts will drop when centralizing the psu unit
[10:07:38] <Billll> another thing I worry about is ventalation and heating, and easy access, and maintenance :D
[10:07:52] <kalken> i love this blog: http://tinyhouseblog.com/small-house-book/
[10:07:57] <Nanos> I wonder how difficult it would be to run a ps2 off solar ? (aka 12v)
[10:08:11] <Billll> nanos i thought of that
[10:08:11] <Billll> lol
[10:08:27] <Billll> but no clue >_>
[10:08:29] <Nanos> I was noticing there doesn't seem to be a single netbook/laptop these days that you can run native off 12v
[10:08:43] <Billll> really
[10:08:51] <Nanos> A friend of mine runs his entire website/etc. off one very old palmtop PC that runs on two AA batteries :-)
[10:09:01] <Billll> well they run pretty low as is with thy wodnerful flash battery
[10:09:18] <Billll> wow
[10:09:19] <Nanos> As I really want a netbook I can run off just solar simply, in case I'm homeless anytime.
[10:09:20] <obst> I think everyone has also a computer and if that is 12 to 20 times more powerful than a game console why not also support that? Of course ideally every device could be supported so that your mobile phone can also donate computing power but that would require a lot of different clients for that network
[10:10:00] <Billll> obsthow much that computer cost >_>
[10:10:03] <Billll> obst*
[10:10:13] <Nanos> I'm reminded of how decades ago we managed to run the world with very little computing power.
[10:10:52] <obst> I got an ASUS eeepc 1000H, it needs 12V, 3 A so you can run it with solar panels
[10:11:06] <Nanos> As such, I'm keen to see very low energy solutions for such things as community design, so we dn't need huge power stations to power our cities/etc.
[10:11:13] * Nanos makes notes
[10:12:06] <Nanos> Ah, but doesn't it need an adaptor to do that though ?
[10:12:19] <Billll> ooo
[10:12:38] <Nanos> I hate to see effiency loss myself.
[10:13:01] <Billll> lol
[10:13:13] <Billll> I can get repalcement parts for a ps2 for cheap :D
[10:13:37] <Nanos> I know its going to be one of those things that drives me a bit potty with my vehicle design, getting all the juice used without wasting it so to speak.
[10:13:57] <Billll> o
[10:13:59] <Nanos> I heard someplaces have skips just for ps2 consoles to go in.
[10:14:13] <Billll> nanos back to thy tzm
[10:14:23] <Billll> was wondering what happened on the uk forums?
[10:14:28] <obst> Nanos, I think you only need the right cable to put it in.  I sometimes attach a 12V car-battery  when the batteries run out
[10:14:54] <Nanos> Happened in what part so to speak ?
[10:15:14] <Nanos> I got banned because I mentioned microfinance and someone thought it was a big con.
[10:15:22] <Billll> LOL
[10:15:25] <Billll> great
[10:15:29] <Nanos> That someone, Heather something is now offical UK spokesperson..
[10:15:43] <Billll> ah a women no less
[10:15:47] <Nanos> There is an admin there though who is quite sensible, but he keeps his head down most of the time.
[10:15:49] <Billll> the spokesperson no surprize
[10:15:51] <Nanos> Yes, we don't get on well..
[10:15:56] <Nanos> Think of VTV in a skirt :-)
[10:16:04] <Billll> oh no lol
[10:16:12] <Nanos> She hates me, really hates me!
[10:16:17] <Billll> hahah
[10:16:18] <Billll> good
[10:16:19] <Billll> LOL
[10:16:34] <Nanos> But, she's hardly on the forum now, even though she is boss..
[10:16:40] <Nanos> I think I met her once..
[10:16:46] <Nanos> I did go to a TZm meeting in person.
[10:16:47] <Billll> ick
[10:16:55] <Billll> oh
[10:16:56] <Nanos> Nice folk, but a bit dim.
[10:17:04] <Billll> never went to a tzm meeting irl before
[10:17:16] <Billll> haha
[10:17:17] <obst> Billll, I think one single computer is much more expensive than used PS2s but they have a lot more RAM, faster network connections, easy extendability 
[10:17:28] <Nanos> Its funny as one person there, who I thought was the most stupid, actually turned out the smartest!
[10:17:43] <Billll> true obst, but replacement parts cost a lot
[10:17:45] <Billll> =P
[10:18:00] <Nanos> I mentioned the other day, a millionaire turned up and hardly anyone wanted to speak to him!
[10:18:02] <obst> I would really like to see a good calculation for that to know what's really more expensive
[10:18:09] <Billll> I did a whole cost benifit thing on a ps2, depending on the need I found it was a good get
[10:18:21] <Billll> indeed
[10:18:25] <Billll> same here lol
[10:18:36] <Billll> not entily done with the project
[10:18:51] <Nanos> There is also the issue of good software to take advantage of the hardware.
[10:19:06] <Billll> so far ripping out the ps2 and making a central ps2 will reduce heat and watt per motherboard
[10:19:28] <Billll> but like to see this in application =P
[10:19:59] <Billll> I'm not use to work with such new hardcompenent LOL from the anchient technology I'm use to working on
[10:20:06] <Billll> wonderful PS2 heat sync
[10:20:06] <Nanos> When at the TZM meeting I suggested we grow our own food, rent a piece of land, sell the surplus, no one was interested in that idea at all.. but after my speech, someone suggested we write up lists of things to fix the world, and everyone wanted to do that!
[10:20:06] <obst> You solder them off putting them on a new mainboard?
[10:20:16] <Billll> yes obst pretty much
[10:20:23] <Billll> havn't done so yet all in the head
[10:20:25] <obst> how many pins does a PSs CPU have? 
[10:20:43] <Billll> god question
[10:21:09] <Billll> got one on the chopboard i'll look
[10:21:11] <Nanos> I remember once reading an article about how to run 4 PC's off one PSU.
[10:21:40] <Nanos> As I had pondered setting up a beowulf cluster using those all in one MB's with build in graphics card, and something like an AMD cpu as I hear you can run those at very low power.
[10:22:16] <Nanos> But, as electricity prices skyrocketed here the last few years. (Up 50%..) I can't even afford to turn on the AC here, let along plug in more computing power!
[10:22:37] <Nanos> As such, I've got to cut down on the computing equipment to save electric :-(
[10:22:58] <Nanos> I already use more than 4 normal houses in my one room..
[10:23:44] <Nanos> $5k a year in US money.
[10:23:46] <obst> wikipedia says "The Emotion Engine was packaged in a 540-contact plastic ball grid array (PBGA)"
[10:24:20] <Nanos> Prices are expected to go up another 50% in the next few years I hear too. (another reason to get into the elctricity generation business!)
[10:24:57] <Nanos> I hear a FORTH based cpu is probably going to be the most energy efficient design incidently.
[10:26:03] <Nanos> Though I notice a lot of very low power devices have an ARM chip in them nowdays. (And what a beautiful instruction set it has too!)
[10:28:01] <Billll> obst estimate pin count at 486
[10:29:48] <Billll> interesting mini ps2's look a bit differnt
[10:30:00] <obst> yea, like wiki said 540, I think that will be very hard to modify since they use that packaging where there is almost no space between the chip and the MB
[10:30:07] <Nanos> http://www.instructables.com/id/PS2-Memory-Card-Flash-Drive/
[10:31:59] <obst> Nanos, the new desktop processors also save a lot of energy, for expample the intel processors use the speed step technology
[10:34:52] <obst> also Billll what about overclocking the PS2? I have my i7 920 (normally at 2.66GHz) running at 3.8 GHz ... here is more data regarding the power consumption http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/overclock-core-i7,2268-10.html
[10:34:57] <rBOTse> URL Title: Idle/Peak Power Consumption Analysis : Overclocking Core i7: Power Versus Performance (at www.tomshardware.com)
[10:36:33] <Billll> I suppsoe it's the matter of what you want to do with it =P
[10:37:00] <Billll> if your a gamer an want to play a game over a remote machine than i suppose you want to clock it at that make sure you have a fst connection
[10:37:03] <Billll> =P
[10:38:02] <Billll> for a poor man it makes more sense to buy within your meanS =P
[10:38:27] <Nanos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiba_Libretto I rather like these low power machines.
[10:38:29] <rBOTse> URL Title: Toshiba Libretto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
[10:38:30] <Billll> I have the means to buy ps2's to recreate a ps2 cluster fuck :D
[10:38:54] <Nanos> Some of my PC's I use here came out of the gutter :-)
[10:39:10] <Billll> I'm still counting 486 on this one ps2 chip set
[10:39:14] <Billll> a bit odd
[10:39:34] <Billll> maybe it's a cheap chinese knock off
[10:39:34] <Billll> =P
[10:40:02] <obst> I don't play that much if you mean that :D
[10:40:19] <Billll> haha
[10:40:20] <obst> yea there are different CPU types out there
[10:40:52] <obst> how much do you plan to spend on the playstations?
[10:40:56] <Billll> not sure maybe the newer version of ps2 =P
[10:41:07] <Billll> obst no clue cheap as possible
[10:41:47] <Billll> I'm trying to do a cost/benifit anylsis still, so far I see it being good
[10:42:00] <obst> do that
[10:42:02] <Billll> obst i'm use to dealing with older machine so it's a hobby of mine to be honest
[10:42:38] <Billll> well
[10:42:48] <obst> :)
[10:42:57] <Billll> mutiple doss attacks with Ps2 is possible can't do that on yuor machine =P
[10:43:15] <Billll> LOL
[10:43:19] <Billll> just messing
[10:43:21] <Billll> eer sort of
[10:43:22] <Billll> lol
[10:43:41] <obst> hehe... see I wanted to build something like that with even smaller chips, you know microcontrollers clocked at 30 MHz or something like that
[10:43:52] <Billll> hhmm
[10:43:57] <Billll> oh no lol
[10:44:14] <obst> they are very small and have only 8-16 pins so it's easy to solder many of them on a board I thought :)
[10:44:55] <Billll> nice
[10:45:18] <Billll> when I figure out more data about it I'll post it online
[10:45:22] <obst> messing around with 8-bit controllers is something I also really like 
[10:45:55] <Billll> my orginal thinknig behind a PS2, from dealing with older computers most of my life mainly because I could not buy newer ones, was .. why didn't I think of that
[10:47:21] <Billll> :D
[10:47:32] <obst> hehe
[10:47:36] <Billll> obst I can hack a atair >_>
[10:47:41] <Billll> atari*
[10:47:45] <Billll> =P
[10:47:47] <obst> I calculated that I could solder thousands of tiny atmels together to get to the performance of a normal desktop computer you can buy in the supermarket today :D
[10:48:06] <Nanos> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/04/15/043205 for very old computers still being used today to run web services..
[10:48:09] <rBOTse> URL Title: Slashdot | Streaming RealAudio From a Commodore 64 (at slashdot.org)
[10:48:10] <obst> cool I have also two of theese in the basement
[10:48:24] <Billll> haha
[10:48:25] <Billll> nice
[10:49:15] <Nanos> Then the Lego server I remember hearing about http://news.lugnet.com/robotics/rcx/legos/?n=2247
[10:49:15] <obst> my father likes them a lot because of that big main memory thing, IBM computers are limited to 640k I think
[10:49:15] <rBOTse> URL Title: legOS : 2247 (at news.lugnet.com)
[10:49:45] <Billll> I find the reprap project very interesting
[10:49:51] <Nanos> I might get a Toshiba Libretto, I see you can run XP on them, and they are cheap now..
[10:50:02] <Nanos> You know Ant/Tony is building one of those, repraps that is.
[10:50:11] <Billll> ooo
[10:50:12] <Nanos> He is, or was after someone to help him with the coding side of things.
[10:50:17] <Nanos> In exchange for a free one..
[10:50:48] <obst> Is this lego thing open source?
[10:50:56] <Nanos> Dunno on that one.
[10:51:03] <Billll> I'd like to get more into reprap after I get into energy, I have some information on the basic of a elder processor
[10:51:04] <Nanos> I just remembered vaguel about it.
[10:51:14] <obst> you need a mini webserver?
[10:51:55] <Billll> ooo
[10:52:50] <Billll> brb getting a beer
[10:55:45] * Billll opens can of beer
[10:56:07] * Billll sticks nose near can of beer open top and smells
[10:56:29] * Billll takes a swig of thy beer
[10:56:30] <Billll> aasss
[10:56:34] <Billll> ahhhh*
[10:59:25] <Billll> nanos you up?
[11:00:18] <Nanos> Still yes :-) its morning here, 10am
[11:00:32] <Billll> it's mornign here
[11:00:33] <Billll> 5am
[11:00:34] <Billll> lol
[11:00:36] <Nanos> I was just pondering my todo list here.
[11:00:40] <Billll> ah ok
[11:00:57] <Nanos> Had a quick look at forums, responded/posted replies/etc.
[11:01:03] <Billll> ah
[11:01:12] <Nanos> Now to be productive :-)
[11:01:17] <Billll> hahaha
[11:01:18] <Billll> true
[11:01:38] <Billll> me calling vtv fat isn't being productive and I know this, but I'd thought I'd stat the obvious anyways
[11:01:39] <Billll> =P
[11:01:41] <Nanos> My old palmtop PC< I could respond to forum posts whilst shopping, I miss that.
[11:01:48] <Billll> fat and poor*
[11:01:56] <Nanos> I'm also fat and poor :-)
[11:02:17] <Nanos> I did offer to go on a dieting spring with VTV to help offer support, but he didn't take me up on the offer.
[11:02:21] <Nanos> sprint rather.
[11:02:44] <Billll> lol
[11:02:47] <Nanos> I've got to loose weight so I can build my house!
[11:03:03] <Billll> I'd should make a thread on the CS forums and call it the VTV challenge
[11:03:04] <Nanos> Plus, it will kill me if I don't as well..
[11:03:22] <Nanos> I'm sure there are lots of us who should loose weight for our health alone.
[11:03:39] <Nanos> One of the reasons I suggested we grow our own food here..
[11:03:41] <Nanos> Get folk fit again!
[11:03:46] <Nanos> But everyones so lazy :-(
[11:03:55] <Billll> I challgneVTV to get a job, lose weight, and stop being narcissistic  idiot buffoon
[11:04:23] <Nanos> I really wanted to to see TZM help everyone get a job.
[11:04:35] <Nanos> I suggested as you probably noticed, that they needed a jobs section..
[11:04:43] <Billll> indeed
[11:05:03] <Nanos> Only with economic power can we hope to change things, but then I'm preaching to the converted here already :-)
[11:05:15] <Billll> wonder if TZm would allow prostituion as a job is of course they follow the venus project tenets in the job section
[11:05:37] <Billll> indeed
[11:05:43] <Nanos> It annoyed me that PJ's got a job, but we wasn't allowed to help each other to get jobs..
[11:05:54] <Nanos> At the very least, let us use the forums to help ourselves!
[11:06:07] <Billll> indeed
[11:06:10] <Nanos> But no, jobs are evil..
[11:06:23] <Billll> people have to eat
[11:06:27] <Nanos> And, using forums to start a business, even more evil!
[11:06:35] <Billll> lol
[11:06:45] <Nanos> And, advertising said products on forums, oh my, worse!
[11:06:55] <Billll> nanos you were banned from TZm for being smug
[11:07:14] <Billll> watched that video of you and yeah pretty much Peter doesn't like you
[11:07:27] <Billll> was probably going nuts on the site of you for some reason
[11:07:35] <Nanos> I'm one of those people you either love or hate :-)
[11:07:49] <Nanos> I do realise I can annoy folk though..
[11:07:52] <Billll> nanos to be honest I think you have great humor
[11:08:00] <Nanos> (smiles) thanks, I do try and entertain.
[11:08:18] <Nanos> You should have seen me when I worked in government, ah the fun and joy I brought to the place :-)
[11:08:22] <Nanos> And the managers I pissed off!
[11:08:38] <Billll> and the fact you have the ability to make a shitte load of posts show me you care even if I say in my head my go dthis man makes a shitte load of post he must care, I suppsoe i laught to myself at the amount of post you make respectfully of course
[11:09:47] <Nanos> I had a plamtop PC, with a copy of every form on it, so I could rattle off emails whilst chatting to the head of any particular department to get permission to do what I wanted and deliver the email before he finished telling me what form I had to fill in!
[11:10:08] <Nanos> I do care, greatly.
[11:10:16] <Nanos> I really wanted to help TZm become something.
[11:10:35] <Billll> indeed
[11:10:37] <Nanos> the draw of, the scientific approach to solve problems.
[11:10:43] <Billll> I think you were making Peter Merola insane though
[11:10:47] <Nanos> But alas, I really tried, for years, and it didn't work.
[11:10:53] <Nanos> I do have that effect on people..
[11:11:02] <Nanos> You should see the folk that have retired from their jobs putting up with me..
[11:11:09] <Billll> he preceive you as a minor annoyance  when you correct him and it sort of built from there i imagine, that's what comes off in the video
[11:11:14] <Nanos> I think it started in school when the headmaster had a nervious breakdown..
[11:11:29] <Nanos> I used to get into trouble there for trying to run businesses at school.. (I was told, I@m here to learn, not earn money!)
[11:12:05] <Nanos> I would correct teachers too..
[11:12:07] <Billll> ah lol
[11:12:20] <Billll> teacher are dumb =P
[11:12:25] <Billll> well ones in america are
[11:12:32] <Nanos> Often many here too.
[11:13:03] <Billll> i do not really care much as they do no really care as ong as one follows the rules
[11:13:11] <Billll> most of my stuff I learned outside of school
[11:13:23] <Nanos> Similar here too.
[11:13:29] <Nanos> Learned stuff that is.
[11:13:36] <Nanos> Though I did want to learn in school!
[11:13:38] <Billll> I suppose preppibg to be mechanically enabled at my teen years, as well as programnig as well
[11:14:04] <Nanos> But alas, its not so easy to learn at school, especially when both the school system aren't very helpful and neither are the rest of the kids.
[11:14:12] <Billll> I only likes a few teachers but more or less going to it for no particular reason
[11:14:24] <Nanos> I wanted to do electronics, but instead of choosing folk based on ability, they drew names out of a hat..
[11:14:38] <Billll> wow
[11:15:00] <Nanos> I left school at 15 when the situation turned into open warfare and I feared for my life.
[11:15:10] <Billll> o
[11:15:12] <Nanos> The bully situation is still even today, bad here.
[11:15:20] <Billll> wow
[11:15:27] <Billll> I liked the post about vtv
[11:15:34] <Billll> I think your rpetty muchn dead on about VTV
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[11:15:36] <Nanos> (wonders which post was that.)
[11:15:46] <Nanos> Well, I have been around since the beginning of time :-)
[11:15:47] <Billll> probably was picked on as a kid, and still has that kid mentality
[11:15:56] <Billll> haha
[11:16:00] <Nanos> Thats what it shows to me.
[11:16:09] <Nanos> I think I can understand how he feels.
[11:16:13] <Nanos> But he's stuck like that.
[11:16:25] <Billll> stuck like that
[11:16:32] <Nanos> I usually recommend a good therapist to such people.
[11:16:46] <Nanos> Actually, if he bothers to read here, let me get the one I recommend..
[11:17:08] <Nanos> http://www.juliedeburgh.co.uk she does phone therapy too.
[11:17:09] <rBOTse> URL Title: Julie de Burgh, Hypnotherapist Ealing, Hypnotherapy, Faster EFT Ealing W13, NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming) Master Practitioner Ealing, Advanced EmoTrance Practitioner, West London, Ealing, W13 (at www.juliedeburgh.co.uk)
[11:17:28] <Nanos> For some reason I seem to pass a fair bit of business her way :-)
[11:17:44] <Billll> oo
[11:17:59] <Nanos> This might amuse you, I saw her with my then partner, and she said, the therapist that is 'I usualy don't say this, but its all your fault' and pointed to my ex...
[11:18:12] <Nanos> That cracked me up :-)
[11:18:22] <Billll> vtv  probably does choclate or icecream therapy, although those products may be a bit pricey of vtv's status
[11:18:48] <Nanos> I think a diet would help him.
[11:18:54] <Billll> really
[11:19:19] <obst> just wanted to drop that here... a 30 € mini webserver with 150 mA power consumtion for those who like to build stuff (german page, translate it with chrome-browser if needed, google translate didn't like the https..) https://berlin.ccc.de/wiki/AVR-Board_mit_Ethernet
[11:19:21] <rBOTse> URL Title: AVR-Board mit Ethernet – CCCB (at berlin.ccc.de)
[11:19:42] <Nanos> Handy, thanks obst.
[11:20:23] <Billll> ooo
[11:20:37] <Billll> I'll take a look
[11:21:59] <Nanos> On the UK TZM forum, I posted about how we need a job section there, I notice only 12 people read the post, and yet there is supposed to be a 2,000 membership on the site..
[11:22:16] <Nanos> REminds me of the TZM main site, that has what is it, 30,000+ members, and yet hardly anyone actually on the forums..
[11:22:44] <Nanos> Always makes me shudder when they mention the 400,000 membership of TZM figure..
[11:23:10] <Billll> indeed
[11:23:18] <Nanos> I notice i get more folk reading forum posts on my own forum with barely a few dozen members than on the main TZM site!
[11:23:25] <Billll> if so i must be considered a memebr based on those NEWSLETTER figures
[11:23:38] <Nanos> I never signed up to the newsletter :-)
[11:23:43] <Billll> I did
[11:23:43] <Billll> LOl
[11:23:49] <Billll> I thought it was the forum signup
[11:23:51] <Billll> LOL
[11:23:53] <Nanos> It is now..
[11:23:58] <Billll> haha
[11:23:59] <obst> haha
[11:24:06] <Nanos> But I joined a few hours after the TZM site went up, before it was part of it.
[11:24:19] <Nanos> I do like to get in early..
[11:24:26] <Nanos> I sneak into political groups that way :-)
[11:24:33] <Nanos> No one notices I@m not an offical member..
[11:24:39] <Nanos> They just assume..
[11:24:50] <Nanos> Quite amusing at times, to go from extreme left one day to extreme right the next!
[11:25:04] <Nanos> Occasionally people who I am and what I'm doing there!
[11:25:05] <Billll> lol
[11:25:29] <Nanos> It was most amusing at some government meeting when its full of heads of departments and someone asks what department I head..
[11:25:35] <Nanos> I reply that I@m just a box mover :-)
[11:25:53] <Billll> lol
[11:26:05] <Nanos> Of course, by then I've had my 15 minutes of fame and spent the last hour telling them what assholes they are...
[11:26:14] <Nanos> In the nicest possible way of course :-)
[11:26:38] <Billll> lol
[11:26:45] <Nanos> Always armed with copies of every secret report I'm not supposed to have to prove I@m right..
[11:26:57] <Nanos> Always pays to chat to secretaries :-)
[11:27:09] <Nanos> I used to chat with everyone, from the cleaners upwards.
[11:27:26] <Nanos> Very educational, but ultimately, like TZM, much of a waste of time to try and fix things that way.
[11:27:33] <Nanos> I did fix things, but slowly..
[11:27:42] <Nanos> Very much an uphill battle.
[11:27:51] <Nanos> When I left, I think I had at least 3,000+ pending items to be fixed.
[11:28:01] <Nanos> Some departments would get 50+ emails a day from me..
[11:28:09] <Billll> I have to say that I for one could not think of a way to do anything malicious towards VTV mainly for the fact that the guy is on the bottom to begin with. I mean if I were to do anything bad to VTV I'd get at his WoW account and delete all of his characters and then at that I'd be taking the only joy he has in life besides if I were to buy the Venus Project property which I have considered doing because I have
[11:28:09] <Nanos> As you know, I do tend to chat a lot..
[11:28:09] <Billll>  the means to do so and keeping VTV on as as the spoke person for the "Penis Project" (paid of course). VTV is just a overweight manchild. He is a complete dumbass, who similarly like Peter Merola hates and criticizes people with credentials that disagree with the zeitcult movement, UNLIKE Peter Merola I do not think VTV qualifies as a Sudo intellectual for the fact to my knowledge the guy never step foot into
[11:28:09] <Billll>  a college and well yeah he's not a bright bulb... I suppose the only PHD VTV will ever get is the imaginary one, that also happens to be next to him being dragon slayer as well... VTV you are fat 
[11:28:09] <Billll> and you no longer are being funded by burger king money since your wife is divorcing you. I can't wait till YOU YES YOU VTV have to find a JOBBBBBB. Just because VTV is a manchild the tax payer will have to pay for him because more than likely he's going to refuse to find a job and use the excuse that he believes in the venus project and it's a resource based economy; VTV does not believe in money, but he does
[11:28:10] <Billll>  believe in aliens and I worships the devil. *Billll flips over a desk* Why does VTV need the venus project he's already living in a Utopia and soon to come in a few months free healthcare... VTV since your legally married well now getting a legal divorce, I wonder if you'll pay the alimony towards what you owe your wife. I wonder if you'll pay your child support O_o I really hope your not going to run to another
[11:28:10] <Billll>  state like the coward you are and ultimately become a criminal but EVEN worse a wife beater who is also a dead beat dad as well! <-- to subtle?
[11:28:10] <kalken> http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-guruplugdetails.aspx
[11:28:12] <rBOTse> URL Title: GuruPlug Server (at www.globalscaletechnologies.com)
[11:28:18] <Billll> LOL
[11:29:06] <Nanos> I read that before :-)
[11:29:12] <Billll> I know
[11:29:12] <Billll> lol
[11:29:18] <Nanos> But I might have missed it..
[11:29:21] <Nanos> Its hard to be everywhere..
[11:29:25] <Nanos> I do try though :-)
[11:29:39] <Billll> I have no clue how you do it :D
[11:29:44] <Billll> super nanos LOL
[11:29:56] <Billll> he's everywhere but nowhere ooo
[11:29:56] <Nanos> I think I was born like it, hyperactive as a kid and its not worn off..
[11:30:18] <Nanos> I'm focusing more these days on practical stuff though.
[11:30:25] <Nanos> I'm not as active on forums as I used to be.
[11:30:37] <Nanos> Nowdays, its mostly for asking how to do stuff.
[11:30:42] <kalken> it might be easier to work towards something, than against something :)
[11:31:00] <Nanos> Well, I was hoping TZM would be working towards something..
[11:31:11] <Nanos> Similar thoughts with EOS..
[11:31:17] <Nanos> But there, same problems :-(
[11:31:43] <kalken> yea. Lots of talk, little of showing what could be done
[11:32:00] <Nanos> One of the reasons I rather like rich peoples forums, they do stuff!
[11:32:04] <Billll> lol
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[11:32:25] <Nanos> I like the guy that has his own private frigate :-)
[11:32:44] <Nanos> Or another one that messes with russian guided missiles for fun!
[11:32:58] <Nanos> Or the one with a container fleet.
[11:33:37] <Billll> ooo
[11:33:38] <Nanos> I really need a vehicle so I can go to their meetings more.
[11:33:45] <Nanos> Can't afford to at the moment. :-(
[11:33:52] <Billll> D:
[11:34:08] <Billll> times are tough everywhere
[11:34:09] <Billll> =P
[11:34:16] <Nanos> Yep.
[11:34:25] <Nanos> Not helped by high housing costs..
[11:34:40] <Nanos> Hence my interest in low cost housing a a key ingredient to move forward.
[11:34:54] <Billll> maybe if you ask nicely Fresco will build you one of them proven memory metal cars he's shown us in the models
[11:34:55] <kalken> Nanos: check out the tiny house blog i posted earlier then :)
[11:35:09] <Nanos> I think I've seen that one already.
[11:35:26] <Nanos> I'm not sure its going to be solar though :-)
[11:35:32] <Nanos> I want solar so its cheap to run..
[11:35:46] <Nanos> And lightweight so I don't have to pay tax/insurance on it..
[11:35:58] <Nanos> Here, if its under 60kg its classifed as a cycle, not a car.
[11:36:38] <kalken> i meet a guy arguing that the oilspill was good for the fishes, because it would stop the boats from fishing them for a while.
[11:36:46] <kalken> ^^
[11:36:50] <Nanos> There is a company here, doing hydrogen powered cars, cost around $7k a year to run one of those, whilst my solution with solar will I reckon cost around $100 a year to run for the same distance.
[11:37:17] <Nanos> With minimum wage at $12k a year, ordinary people cannot afford $7k..
[11:37:50] <Nanos> I'm aiming for price wise my vehicle around $2k or less (Government does a scheme, if you use it for going to work, they pay half!)
[11:38:12] <kalken> it might work the day ppl realize that they dont need a car by them selves
[11:38:20] <Nanos> I'm also thinking of renting them cheaply too. (cheap as in something like $40 a month, cheaper than public transport) and free to the unemployed!
[11:38:37] <Nanos> I reckon people are now focused on costs more than anything.
[11:38:45] <Nanos> Eg. sell it on the basis that its cheaper than public transport.
[11:38:48] <Nanos> I want one at least!
[11:38:56] <Nanos> And every time someone asks me what I'm building, they mention they want one too!
[11:39:14] <kalken> Nanos: yea. ppl are alot like Gollum, when it comes to stuff
[11:39:15] <Nanos> So, I'll start building them one at a time, and if the demand is there, build more.
[11:40:05] <Nanos> Its like how I notice a lot of rich people have electric cars now, as they are cheap to run.. they stay rich by being careful with their money!
[11:40:29] <Nanos> An accountant I know, has a tiny electric car for normal use, and a big expensive gas guzzler when he meets clients..
[11:40:40] <Nanos> The UK main importer of electric cars is at the end of my street :-)
[11:40:50] <Nanos> I'm looking forward to racing their models :-)
[11:40:54] <kalken> most electric cars still have the problem with planned obsolescence.
[11:41:24] <Nanos> In my last job, I drove electric vehicles for 2 years, so gained some useful experience in their road handling and cornering.. (3 wheelers..)
[11:41:41] <Nanos> I want my design to be easily upgradable, fixable.
[11:41:55] <kalken> great
[11:42:02] <Nanos> I like the idea of rental for several reasons, one of which is the ease of upgrading the vehicle.
[11:42:18] <Nanos> Hence also in part the idea of using say materials like wood, as its easier to recycle, replace, upgrade.
[11:42:27] <kalken> the only companies that work like that seems to be the ones creating military equipment :)
[11:42:44] <Nanos> rental also avoids a lot of maintence issues I hear people have by ownership of vehicles.
[11:43:24] <Nanos> Talking of miliary stuff, you've seen the picture of me and a scud missile launcher havenm't you ?
[11:43:34] <kalken> no :)
[11:43:47] <Nanos> http://www.nanos.org.uk/vehicles/motorhome/scud.jpg
[11:44:01] <kalken> hehe
[11:44:03] <Nanos> Me and my girlfriend, we stumbled across one, one day out shopping..
[11:44:13] <Nanos> As you do..
[11:44:22] <Nanos> I pondered converting one to a motorhome..
[11:44:54] <Billll> sweet
[11:44:58] <Billll> didnt know you had a website :D
[11:45:03] <Nanos> http://www.nanos.org.uk/vehicles/motorhome/motorhome.jpg an example of an 8x8 motorhome.
[11:45:04] <kalken> it might not be to environmental friendly to drive though :)
[11:45:13] <Nanos> Yeah, its not much of a site, just thrown together.
[11:45:20] <Nanos> Nope, it does 2 gallons per mile..
[11:45:26] <kalken> :)
[11:45:35] <Nanos> Hence I thought perhaps something a little more fuel effient might be in order..
[11:45:44] <Nanos> But an 8x8 vehicle would be handy to deal with riots..
[11:46:02] <Nanos> I get concerned about the breakdown on society issue..
[11:46:09] <Nanos> But no place to park it locally..
[11:46:15] <Nanos> well, I could park it outside the house, but someone complains..
[11:49:14] <Nanos> Then I thought one of these would be more fuel efficient, at around 12mpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo9GWAi71VM&
[11:49:15] <rBOTse> 	You4Tube	 2[Title] Russian ZIL 6x6 truck goes offroading 2[Category] Autos 2[Duration] 0:02:53 2[Views] 384770 2[Rating] 4.71 2[Uploaded] 2006-06-22 2[Description] ZIL-131 navigates the backroads of the U.K. It's a mass production 6x6 offroad truck used by the Russian army. Surprisingly, it's powered by a petrol engine.
[11:50:26] <Nanos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjAVrnQrkdQ 8x8 in action, I just think its my kind of vehicle!
[11:50:29] <rBOTse> 	You4Tube	 2[Title] Russian 8x8 FROG-7 ZIL-135 goes for a test run 2[Category] Autos 2[Duration] 0:00:57 2[Views] 94981 2[Rating] 4.57 2[Uploaded] 2006-07-01 2[Description] Powered by two 7Ltr 180HP petrols with 3 gas tanks, this vehicle was used to transport and reload missiles for the FROG-7
[11:56:36] <lukas> hi Everyone :)
[11:56:40] <Nanos> Hi lukas
[11:57:08] <Nanos> I also wanted a vehicle I could live in whilst building my house, and something resistant to vandals too.
[11:57:20] <Nanos> But, as the place I'm looking to build now has zero crime, I don't think its necessary..
[11:57:35] <Nanos> As such, my current building solution project wise is a trailer to my solar vehicle to carry a tent!
[11:57:41] <Nanos> Cheaper too..
[11:57:51] <Nanos> And I can park it in my front garden without anyone really complaining..
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[12:05:25] <lukas> good morning kman :)
[12:06:00] <Nanos> This is a nice example: http://www.guelo46.de/00004.html
[12:06:01] <rBOTse> URL Title: Homepage eines Verrückten - Bilder 1 (at www.guelo46.de)
[12:06:29] <Nanos> Why is it people from that part of the world are so good at making stuff like this compared with the rest of the world!
[12:10:58] <Nanos> Bill might find this interesting, http://www.eoslife.eu/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=94&func=view&catid=21&id=13930 I basically try and point out that EOS are making the same mistakes TZM are, but they appear unable to see what I see.
[12:11:00] <rBOTse> URL Title: Recommendation to Avoid Any Association with ZM - EOS Forum (at www.eoslife.eu)
[12:11:36] <Nanos> It would be interesting to get Bills (or anyone else's!) view on that, as I appear rather a lone pair of eyes on EOS, eg. are they acting like TZM< or is it just me that can see that.. (And former banned EOS members..)
[12:11:58] <Nanos> I've rather given up on EOS too, though at least they don't ban me for speaking up..
[12:12:06] <Nanos> But they don't really listen to my suggestions.
[12:12:46] <Nanos> I'm not really sure how you get folk to listen to you, it seems folk either do, or they don't.
[12:13:49] <Nanos> I think being able to listen and change your mind about something, because someones come up with a better solution is key to evolving.
[12:14:20] <Nanos> Its how I get things done myself, I listen, adjust, listen some more..
[12:14:29] <Nanos> Sometimes I come up with bits of solutions myself.
[12:14:48] <Nanos> But as so many people know so much more than me, I'd be a fool not to listen to folk!
[12:15:15] <Nanos> I find it hard to understand why so many people have a hard time doing the same, perhaps its ego that gets in the way, perhaps its just stupidity.
[12:16:49] <Nanos> I remember at work once, someone younger than me was showing me how to do something.  A fellow worker said to me 'are you going to let that young so and so boss you again?', I pointed out that as they knew how to do something I didn't, it was only sensible of me to ask them to show me!
[12:16:58] <Nanos> I didn't get hung up about them being younger than me!
[12:17:05] <Nanos> It only interested me to learn what they knew.
[12:17:19] <Nanos> I think a lot of older people are like that when it comes to younger folk knowing stuff.
[12:22:24] <obst> Nanos, did you read the story on the page at guleo46.de? The menu item "Die Geschichte"..
[12:22:43] <Nanos> Nope, what did it say roughly ?
[12:22:58] <Nanos> I just looked at the pictures :-)
[12:23:09] <obst> he traveled 3 days with it and on the 4th day he aborted it and returned home with a normal car due to bad weather conditions
[12:23:35] <Nanos> Interesting, I wonder in what way it failed re. the weather.
[12:24:02] <Nanos> There is another one of those trailer types I got a link to someplace... someplace.. (I can't seem to find it easily via a google search, though its on youtube.)
[12:24:09] <obst> "Unfortunately, the company was on a storm by storm and strong fourth Days canceled. The journey home was inglorious by car and trailer. "
[12:24:35] <obst> google translation...
[12:24:36] <rBOTse> http://www.freetranslation.com/
[12:29:09] <Nanos> Ah, this is more like it, wooden solar vehicle.. http://www.coronn.com/poormansecologicalvehicle/
[12:29:10] <rBOTse> URL Title: poor mans ecological vehicle (at www.coronn.com)
[12:30:39] <Nanos> http://blog.modernmechanix.com/mags/qf/c/PopularScience/10-1940/med_bed_trailer.jpg old version.
[12:35:20] <Nanos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWnsu4dfNGs found it eventually!
[12:35:21] <rBOTse> 	You4Tube	 2[Title] A biketrailer 2[Category] Autos 2[Duration] 0:02:01 2[Views] 65563 2[Rating] 4.56 2[Uploaded] 2007-08-02 2[Description] A wooden homemade trailer for bikes or recumbents
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[12:44:25] <Buglouse> W00T w00t!!
[12:49:23] <lukas> hi Buglouse :)
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[13:05:34] <Nanos> Is a SOLAR PANEL 3V 25MAH = 0.75w ?
[13:06:14] <neocortex> nope
[13:06:17] <neocortex> .075 watts
[13:06:30] <Nanos> Ah, thanks!
[13:06:33] <neocortex> :D
[13:06:36] <neocortex> you're welcome
[13:06:47] <neocortex> :)
[13:06:48] <Nanos> Very expensive then at £6 each..
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[13:06:57] <neocortex> :(
[13:06:59] <neocortex> yes
[13:07:23] <Nanos> I was just seeing if prices of solar panels on ebay had changed at all, lately they have been going up..
[13:07:32] <neocortex> omg
[13:07:45] <neocortex> that's absurd
[13:07:56] <Nanos> I think its due to the higher shipping costs from China.
[13:08:05] <neocortex> yes
[13:08:38] <Nanos> I got mine about a year or so ago and the price is about I think 20% higher now!
[13:08:59] <Nanos> Plus you can't get the panels anymore that I got :-(
[13:10:45] <neocortex> :(
[13:11:03] <Nanos> It will be a while before I can afford anymore panels as it is, so I'll make do with the ones I got for now, I've 12w of lightweight resin panels.
[13:11:18] <Nanos> And another 12w of heavy cheap panels to stick on a trailer.
[13:11:30] <Nanos> 12w I reckon in theory might be enough to get me to the shops and back at least :-)
[13:11:47] <Nanos> It will at least charge things and allow me to test stuff.
[13:12:11] <Nanos> And weighs only a few hundred grams.
[13:12:16] <neocortex> neat
[13:12:56] <Nanos> The idea is to design the vehicle so it can carry something like 600w of panels ontop of all the bodypanels, and be within its 60kg weight limit.
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[13:13:21] <Nanos> Hence lots of flat panel space.
[13:13:26] <neocortex> lol
[13:13:33] <lukas> cool, prices are going up, happening with different stuff all the time, so why we don't create in-house systems to produce panels? why depend on market and not on own brains? :)
[13:13:47] <neocortex> i know
[13:13:56] <Nanos> Oh indeed lukas, I've been bleating about the need for us to build our own solar cell factory for ages :-)
[13:14:10] <Nanos> Just can't seem to find anyone else much into the idea..
[13:14:11] <neocortex> yeh
[13:14:21] <lukas> Nanos, yelping solves nothing, building does
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[13:14:30] <Nanos> But, if I can make money from solar vehicles, its one of the next logical steps to take.
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[13:14:49] <Nanos> Same with wanting to plant trees and provide cheap wood for building said vehicles :-)
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[13:15:38] <Nanos> Other materials will be harder to come by, hence interest in say stainless steel parts, last a long time, and have a high recycling value. (Plus no need for paints.)
[13:16:23] <Nanos> I was trying to network to find others also into building :-)
[13:16:26] <lukas> if mostly the materials blocks you, why don't create an own one with wanted characteristic and open source it?
[13:17:01] <Nanos> I am heading towards the open source solution, in the process of putting up all the design information to date on my site.
[13:17:21] <Nanos> But there is hardly much of a trickle when it comes to design help out there.
[13:17:36] <Nanos> I'm on a few other open source transport project sites, and very little goes on there too.
[13:18:19] <Nanos> I've been asking around in more specialist forums, but still, it seems some of my problems are difficult ones :-)
[13:18:24] <Nanos> reverse gear being one in particular..
[13:18:39] <Nanos> Lots of expensive solutions, few cheap ones..
[13:18:54] <Nanos> Still, if it was easy, it would be done by now :-)
[13:18:56] <lukas> "build it and they will come", one needs to push the project at first to level when others are able to join -- if we offer just promises, it sux in eyes of most people, and they are right, because why they should believe there is any successful workflow formula, if nothing has been created
[13:19:33] <Nanos> Well, if I pick up folk as it develops thats good, but I'm not relying on it as such.
[13:20:16] <Nanos> A few folk are helping here or there, which is really good, its nice at least not to be totally on my own.
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[13:46:25] <kalken> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY2j_GPIqRA
[13:46:26] <rBOTse> 	You4Tube	 2[Title] Bill Gates & Steve Ballmer Night at the Roxbury theme 2[Category] Comedy 2[Duration] 0:00:39 2[Views] 236365 2[Rating] 4.91 2[Uploaded] 2007-06-15 2[Description] One of the Spoof videos done at many Microsoft conferences.
[13:50:35] <lukas> lol
[14:00:35] <Nanos> http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/lensun2010 look like they do cheap flexible panels.
[14:00:37] <rBOTse> URL Title: eBay My World - lensun2010 (at myworld.ebay.co.uk)
[14:00:54] <neocortex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY2j_GPIqRA
[14:00:55] <rBOTse> 	You4Tube	 2[Title] Bill Gates & Steve Ballmer Night at the Roxbury theme 2[Category] Comedy 2[Duration] 0:00:39 2[Views] 236365 2[Rating] 4.91 2[Uploaded] 2007-06-15 2[Description] One of the Spoof videos done at many Microsoft conferences.
[14:01:02] <neocortex> that's funny
[14:01:26] <neocortex> sorry...didn't mean to do that
[14:01:29] <neocortex> :|
[14:01:37] <neocortex> *runs away*
[14:01:43] <Nanos> afk for a while, todo list calling me!
[14:09:15] <neocortex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys0fm2SPn7E&feature=related
[14:09:16] <rBOTse> 	You4Tube	 2[Title] TSAR BOMB 2[Category] Tech 2[Duration] 0:00:40 2[Views] 8837 2[Rating] 3.65 2[Uploaded] 2008-08-09 2[Description] THE SECOND LARGEST BOMB EXPLOSION     (To my knowledge lol)
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[14:40:01] <GhettoTux> !hello all
[14:40:01] <infobot> Heya #RBOSE! GhettoTux asked me to greet you all, and thats what i just did. If anybody needs help, type !help
[14:40:07] <BranManFloMore> Hey
[14:40:19] <GhettoTux> hey bran
[14:42:21] <lukas> hi guys :)
[14:42:40] <GhettoTux> hia lukas
[14:43:12] <BranManFloMore> Hola
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[14:47:49] <Julius> Does anyone knows what is happening in Kyrgyzstan?
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[14:48:40] <GhettoTux> Guest55168: nope. I haven't heard anything about it
[14:48:45] <GhettoTux> let me check the interwebz
[14:49:13] <GhettoTux> Fuck!
[14:49:23] <GhettoTux> Seems like the SWIFT-agreement is going to pass
[14:50:00] <Guest55168> yes
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[15:15:06] <i-sonzo> what do you guys think about string theory? sorry, but i'm curious :)
[15:18:10] <GhettoTux> As a tech support guy i know everything there is to know about string theory and i think it is kinda nifty ;)
[15:20:04] <i-sonzo> what about scientific method?
[15:22:39] <i-sonzo> i know that on most of the universities you can loose your job if you have a contrary opinion but in my opinion it is only a philosophical theory, zero science in it ;)
[15:22:47] <GhettoTux> I haven't used the scienteific method for string theory yet, so haven't been able to prove it yet ;)
[15:24:30] <i-sonzo> yet, hmm, there are to many possibilities in this to prove that this theory is a true fact
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[15:29:19] <i-sonzo> like einstein once said the theory should be fakeable
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[16:34:49] <obst> i-sonzo, someone only has to find a single example where the theory fails to show that it is not true... that may be possible :)
[16:37:44] <i-sonzo> for now we even don't know exactly what the string theory is so we can't even dany it
[16:38:13] <i-sonzo> *deny
[16:39:24] <DNS> !w string theory
[16:39:28] <infobot> String theory | String theory is a developing theory in particle physics which attempts to reconcile quantum mechanics and general relativity. String theory posits that the electrons and quarks within an atom are not 0-dimensional objects, but rather 1-dimensional oscillating lines ("strings"), possessing only the dimension of length, but not height or width. The theory poses that these strings can
[16:39:29] <infobot> vibrate, thus giving the observed particles their flavor, charge, mass and spin. The earliest string model, the bosonic string, incorporated only bosons, although this view evolved to the superstring theory, which posits that a connection (a "supersymmetry") exists between bosons and fermions, two fundamentally different types of p @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory
[16:48:19] <DNS> i may add...
[16:48:33] <DNS> for now we dont even know what exactly WE are
[16:48:37] <DNS> i mean as humans
[16:48:43] <DNS> what our brain is about
[16:49:09] <DNS> and what is consciousness
[16:49:36] <DNS> its a lot to research and to find out :D
[16:51:27] <DNS> (quantum theory helps a lot i think)
[16:54:48] <i-sonzo> maybe, i still can't bend spoon with mind ;)
[17:02:12] <i-sonzo> but using empiric method we only have to measure a string, that's all
[17:02:43] <i-sonzo> if "they" exist of course :)
[17:03:01] <DNS> at least all exists
[17:03:08] <DNS> if not in the universe
[17:03:13] <DNS> at least in the minds
[17:03:14] <DNS> hehe
[17:03:45] <DNS> or in another universe :x
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[17:05:51] <i-sonzo> but "scientists" claim that string is a basic part which builds entire universe so it also includes our universe, following that we should be able to measure "our strings" ;) 
[17:07:29] <DNS> some claim also that super massive black holes are somehow related to the creation of any galaxy
[17:07:38] * DNS finds black holes very interesting
[17:07:48] <nairboon> some claim that black matter doesnt exists anymore
[17:08:00] <DNS> :D
[17:08:24] <nairboon> ,n anti matter
[17:08:25] * BranManFloMore finds how people would die in black holes interesting.
[17:08:25] <rBOTse> nairboon: Error: "n" is not a valid command.
[17:08:33] <nairboon> no news?
[17:08:34] <DNS> lol BranManFloMore
[17:08:47] <DNS> the question is if you die
[17:08:53] <lukas> 100 years ago there was no X-ray, nor no one ever was able to operate on atoms (for several millenniums the concept of atom was around), the question today regarding scientific theories is: which equations doesn't make sense and why (the data), other than that we have only load of opinions and philosophical disputes
[17:09:05] <DNS> or just your atoms are beamed to another place/time haha
[17:09:10] <lukas> err. there "was"* no
[17:09:14] * BranManFloMore pretends to be immortal.
[17:09:46] <BranManFloMore> No, seriously, I find it interesting when Neil Degrasse Tyson breaks it down: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1iJXOUMJpg
[17:09:47] <rBOTse> 	You4Tube	 2[Title] Neil DeGrasse Tyson - Death By Black Hole 2[Category] Tech 2[Duration] 0:05:34 2[Views] 129921 2[Rating] 4.93 2[Uploaded] 2008-03-12 2[Description] Complete video at: http://fora.tv/2008/02/19/Neil_DeGrasse_Tyson_Death_by_Black_Hole  Celebrity astrophysicist Neil DeGrasse Tyson describes the (hypothetical) experience of death by falling into a black hole.  -----  Neil DeGrasse Tyson discusses "Death by Black Hole: A
[17:10:10] <DNS> hehe :D
[17:10:14] <BranManFloMore> :)
[17:12:44] <DNS> i wonder what happened with him: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/310821_quantum09.html
[17:12:45] <rBOTse> URL Title: Physicist needs $20,000 for time-travel experiment (at www.seattlepi.com)
[17:13:04] <DNS> maybe he stopped to work on or is already in another time ;D
[17:13:49] <Billll> heh string theory
[17:13:54] <i-sonzo> yes we need more accurate tools, which shows sometimes logical deduction pointless, because this knowledge bases on old patterns
[17:14:12] <Billll> a better way to try and organize infinity :D
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[17:18:58] <DNS> hi life
[17:19:08] <DNS> good to know you
[17:19:11] <Life> hello DNS 
[17:19:16] <DNS> :D
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[17:19:26] <BranManFloMore> Yes, we all have a Life now.
[17:19:28] * BranManFloMore jokes
[17:19:49] <Life> youve all know me a long time, well even before you can rmember that is :)
[17:20:01] <BranManFloMore> Hmmm...
[17:20:08] <Life> :)
[17:20:11] <DNS> i wonder if Life eis njoyin the soccer championship?
[17:20:18] <DNS> somehow or wo0t?
[17:20:19] <DNS> lol
[17:20:24] <DNS> eis=is
[17:20:29] <Life> LOL
[17:20:56] <BranManFloMore> You mean football?
[17:21:00] * BranManFloMore jokes
[17:21:18] <DNS> no the sucker worldchampionship
[17:21:20] <DNS> :D
[17:21:23] <DNS> eh soccer
[17:21:24] <DNS> :)
[17:24:14] * Caly-Lap hates football
[17:24:25] <Life> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xu35ak7LYQ&feature=popular
[17:24:26] <rBOTse> 	You4Tube	 2[Title] Ezra and his Vuvuzela 2[Category] Sports 2[Duration] 0:01:28 2[Views] 8968 2[Rating] 3.67 2[Uploaded] 2010-06-13 2[Description] Ezra's Vuvuzela annoys Emiliano. For the full reality show experience, go to BudUnited.com.
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[17:25:22] <Life> brb
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[17:34:15] <Viper> Hi all
[17:34:47] <GhettoTux> hello there Viper 
[17:35:40] <Viper> Hey GhettoTux :)
[17:48:50] <GhettoTux> what's up Viper ?
[17:51:00] <Viper> just end work
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[18:12:08] <kman> Standard contract, anyone? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF48oqnqZdw
[18:12:09] <rBOTse> 	You4Tube	 2[Title] best laptop ever 2[Category] People 2[Duration] 0:00:41 2[Views] 323022 2[Rating] 4.93 2[Uploaded] 2007-07-27 2[Description] this is the best lapto i've ever seen in my my 18 years old life. the truth.
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[18:14:36] <DNS> lol kman
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[19:16:48] <Caly-Lap> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wupToqz1e2g
[19:16:49] <rBOTse> 	You4Tube	 2[Title] Carl Sagan - Pale Blue Dot 2[Category] Tech 2[Duration] 0:03:31 2[Views] 308165 2[Rating] 4.97 2[Uploaded] 2009-03-24 2[Description] Pale Blue Dot
[19:18:24] <Caly-Lap> How's that for perspective, folks! 
[19:22:36] <GhettoTux> or this one
[19:22:37] <GhettoTux> http://i.imgur.com/WOh7B.jpg
[19:28:20] <Viper> I was using that imag for rbose hehe
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[19:31:14] <GhettoTux> :)
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[20:00:36] <Stewie> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCvVdfeH05Y
[20:00:37] <rBOTse> 	You4Tube	 2[Title] US General Petraeus collapses at Senate hearing on Afghanistan 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 0:00:57 2[Views] 69 2[Rating] 4.00 2[Uploaded] 2010-06-15 2[Description] US General David Petraeus collapsed in his chair under intense questioning in the Senate on Tuesday. He had just finished answering Senator John McCain's question about the planned 2011 pullout of US troops in Afghanistan. Petraeus, who oversees the war 
[20:00:38] <Stewie> haha
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[20:12:58] <GhettoTux> Gah, I have never ever thought I would be required to update BIOS when I got wireless NIC issues
[20:34:29] <GhettoTux> But alas, I was :D
[20:34:33] <GhettoTux> It solved it though :D
[20:34:42] <GhettoTux> Plus found some new hardware I didn't knew I had :D
[20:34:53] <GhettoTux> The old BIOS didn't support the hardware I found ;)
[20:34:59] <GhettoTux> or something like that
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[22:18:40] <Grits> what's up
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[23:19:43] <neocortex> morning
[23:24:33] <kman> good night
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[23:32:47] <Stewie> hey
[23:33:48] <Viper> Hi folks
[23:34:17] <Stewie> hi viper
[23:35:31] <neocortex> hi
[23:36:03] <Viper> Hey Stewie, neocortex
[23:36:22] <neocortex> hey
[23:36:34] <kalken> neocortex: you got it all wrong. Its night! xD
[23:36:42] <neocortex> nah
[23:36:46] <neocortex> it's not
[23:36:47] <Viper> Current Time Time:«11:36pm» Day:«Tuesday» Date:«June 15th 2010» TimeZone:«GMT 1:00» —I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n—
[23:36:54] <neocortex> nope
[23:36:56] <neocortex> sorry
[23:37:02] <Viper> Yeah its night :D
[23:37:13] <kalken> Viper: exactly! :)
[23:37:17] <neocortex> I'm looking at the Sun right now
[23:37:35] <kalken> it cant be
[23:37:38] <kalken> its not here
[23:37:41] <neocortex> lol
[23:37:54] <neocortex> maybe the Earth is cubic
[23:37:55] <Viper> Maybe its pic of sun ;-D
[23:37:58] <neocortex> lol
[23:38:59] <neocortex> I just checked...It does look a lot like a big poster of the Sun
[23:39:57] <kalken> damn, u might be on the truman show
[23:41:03] <kman> neocortex, you should have received the link by now.
[23:47:42] <neocortex> lol
[23:47:48] <neocortex> what link?
[23:48:02] <neocortex> kman
[23:48:20] <Viper> *BP buys Google ads for search term "oil spill"* HAH!
[23:48:25] <kman> To the etherpad. I made a reply to that google group discussion.
[23:48:57] <neocortex> url please
[23:49:08] <neocortex> lol Viper
[23:50:12] <neocortex> kman...I don't get it
[23:54:37] <kman> http://openetherpad.org/rbose-whyhowwhat
[23:54:38] <rBOTse> URL Title: EtherPad: rbose-whyhowwhat (at openetherpad.org)
[23:56:27] <neocortex> :D
[23:56:29] <neocortex> thanks
[23:56:31] <neocortex> cool
[23:56:42] <neocortex> thanks kman
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[23:59:02] <kman> Hmm..  A rectangular wooden frame with a soft synthetic mattress inside suddenly appeared in my room. I would fit on it. Perhaps i should see wh... what it.... it.... zzzZZzzzZ