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[00:04:44] <Viper> .kick ___
[00:04:44] *** ___ was kicked by RBOSE (Requested (Viper))
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[00:05:50] *** god is now known as God
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[00:14:54] <Viper> .kick god
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[00:15:08] <vinces> so you are linked Viper?
[00:15:14] <Viper> Yea
[00:15:19] <vinces> good stuff
[00:15:21] <Viper> try connect to viper.rbose.org
[00:15:29] <vinces> 6667?
[00:15:35] <Viper> or ssl port
[00:15:38] <Viper> 6697
[00:15:48] <Viper> 6670/6677 
[00:15:53] <DNS> nope
[00:16:03] <DNS> 6675-6675,6677
[00:16:06] <DNS> ;)
[00:16:10] <DNS> eh
[00:16:13] <DNS> 6670-6675,6677
[00:16:15] <DNS> sorry
[00:16:16] <vinces> :-o
[00:16:17] <DNS> ;D
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[00:16:31] <hacked> holy crap
[00:16:46] <Viper> o_0
[00:16:57] <wo0t> ,hack hacked
[00:16:57] <rBOTse> wo0t: Error: "hack" is not a valid command.
[00:17:11] <Viper> ,slap hacker
[00:17:12] <rBOTse> Viper: Error: "slap" is not a valid command.
[00:17:14] <Fat64> I wanna get the title "Local tyrant" when interviewed in television :/
[00:17:17] <Fat64> like mr burns in simpsons
[00:17:26] <Viper> lol
[00:17:26] <vinces> ,smack hacked
[00:17:27] * rBOTse smacks hacked with sills
[00:17:32] * hellfire77 slaps hacked around a bit with a large fishbot
[00:17:44] <vinces> ,alais slap smack
[00:17:45] <rBOTse> vinces: Error: "alais" is not a valid command.
[00:17:48] <vinces> ,alias slap smack
[00:17:49] <rBOTse> vinces: Error: The "Alias" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "slap" in it.  Try "list Alias" to see the commands in the "Alias" plugin.
[00:17:50] <vinces> :)
[00:17:52] <vinces> :-o
[00:17:59] * hellfire77 slaps Viper around a bit with a large fishbot
[00:18:00] <vinces> ,alias smack slap
[00:18:00] <rBOTse> vinces: Error: The "Alias" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "smack" in it.  Try "list Alias" to see the commands in the "Alias" plugin.
[00:18:06] <vinces> :-i
[00:18:08] <vinces> ,list
[00:18:08] <rBOTse> vinces: Action, Admin, Alias, Channel, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Dunno, Feeds, Filter, Games, Google, Karma, Lmgtfy, MediaWiki, MeetBot, Misc, Nickometer, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Quote, Scheduler, Seen, Spotify, String, Time, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, WOTD, Web, and Youtube
[00:18:16] <hacked> too much fun
[00:18:20] <hacked> ,list
[00:18:20] <rBOTse> hacked: Action, Admin, Alias, Channel, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Dunno, Feeds, Filter, Games, Google, Karma, Lmgtfy, MediaWiki, MeetBot, Misc, Nickometer, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Quote, Scheduler, Seen, Spotify, String, Time, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, WOTD, Web, and Youtube
[00:18:28] <hellfire77> ,list alias
[00:18:28] <rBOTse> hellfire77: add, f, g, i, l, lock, r, remove, t, unlock, and w
[00:18:34] <hacked> ,pokes vinces
[00:18:35] <rBOTse> hacked: Error: "pokes" is not a valid command.
[00:18:36] <hacked> ,poke vinces
[00:18:38] * rBOTse pokes vinces with stocks
[00:18:51] <lukas> ,alias add slap smack
[00:18:51] <rBOTse> lukas: The operation succeeded.
[00:18:56] <vinces> i poked myself .... i feel wrong
[00:19:01] <vinces> ,slap lukas
[00:19:02] * rBOTse smacks lukas with a chemistry
[00:19:11] <vinces> ,praise lukas
[00:19:11] * rBOTse lukas is a god!
[00:19:12] <lukas> O_o
[00:19:17] <vinces> ha!
[00:19:21] <lukas> ,seen god
[00:19:22] <rBOTse> lukas: god was last seen in #RBOSE 3 days, 21 hours, 22 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: * God is listening to Free Software Song by Fenster [Amarok2]
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[00:19:37] <lukas> ,seen jesus
[00:19:37] <rBOTse> lukas: jesus was last seen in #RBOSE 1 week, 0 days, 20 hours, 50 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <Jesus> hmm seems God do not need me at this moment, i go back at my cross
[00:20:09] <lukas> .seen god
[00:20:09] <RBOSE> God is on the channel right now!
[00:20:38] <lukas> ah religion... everybody has own believes ^
[00:21:03] <Viper> lol Jesus
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[00:22:40] <wo0t> !a god
[00:22:42] <infobot> Game Operations Designer; General On-time Delivery; Good Orderly Direction; Great Omnipotent Designer; Guaranteed Overnight Delivery
[00:24:58] * hellfire77 slaps God around a bit with a large fishbot
[00:30:09] <God> *_*
[00:31:36] <hellfire77> c ya later i will go to hell i slap God, i am doomed
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[00:56:40] <Fat64> neocortex: !
[00:56:49] <neocortex> :D
[00:56:51] <neocortex> Fat64
[00:56:57] <neocortex> where's the hat?
[00:57:09] <Fat64> http://yaoi.se/art/files/art/1529.jpg x)
[00:57:23] <Fat64> I'm thinking of doing a monocle or something too
[00:57:29] <neocortex> :D
[00:57:33] <neocortex> :D :D :D
[00:57:37] <neocortex> yay
[00:57:42] <Fat64> it's happy camp here at rbose!
[00:57:44] <neocortex> you're the BEST
[00:57:47] <neocortex> lol
[00:57:50] <neocortex> happy people
[00:58:06] <neocortex> that's the best hat in the World
[00:58:08] <Fat64> yeah
[00:58:16] <neocortex> you win a prize
[00:58:18] <Fat64> I'm gonna wear it outside!! and not feel ashamed
[00:58:21] <Fat64> if I'm drunk
[00:58:22] <neocortex> lol
[00:58:24] <Fat64> :D
[00:58:25] <Fat64> oooh
[00:58:27] <neocortex> :D
[00:58:41] <neocortex> yup
[00:58:48] <Fat64> now I'm gonna go kick it with some megaman 10
[00:58:51] <Fat64> you're welcome to join 
[00:58:57] <Fat64> che33rs
[00:59:00] <neocortex> count me in
[00:59:04] <Fat64> \o/
[00:59:16] <neocortex> \o\
[00:59:20] <neocortex>  /o/
[00:59:24] <neocortex> \o/
[01:01:45] <vinces> 5pm!
[01:02:15] <neocortex> nope
[01:02:17] <neocortex> 9am
[01:03:43] <neocortex> lol 5pm!
[01:03:59] <neocortex> that's 125 pm ^5
[01:04:42] <neocortex> or 125pmmmmm
[01:05:21] <neocortex> :|
[01:05:26] <neocortex> I mean 720
[01:06:16] <neocortex> I mean 125
[01:06:35] <neocortex> 120
[01:06:36] <neocortex> :(
[01:06:39] <neocortex> I need a coffee
[01:06:48] <neocortex> stop looking at me
[01:08:12] <neocortex> my head hurts
[01:08:15] <neocortex> ok
[01:20:59] <neocortex> http://anarchy.net.au/Pages/pics.html
[01:21:01] <rBOTse> URL Title: Untitled 1 (at anarchy.net.au)
[01:25:22] <neocortex> :D
[01:25:27] <neocortex> happy people
[01:25:33] <neocortex> meow
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[01:26:53] <neocortex> !idle stewie
[01:26:54] <infobot> stewie is active in this channel, please open your eyes, neocortex.
[01:27:02] <neocortex> !idle Stewie
[01:27:02] <infobot> Stewie typed something in this channel some seconds ago, neocortex.
[01:27:16] <neocortex> no he didn't infobot
[01:27:47] <Viper> ,idle
[01:27:48] <rBOTse> Viper: Error: "idle" is not a valid command.
[01:27:51] <Viper> !idle
[01:27:52] <infobot> Our Idle King in #RBOSE is obst... without any word since 23 hours and 25 minutes ^_^
[01:28:46] * Stewie is too stoned to talk XD
[01:28:55] <neocortex> :D
[01:29:00] <wo0t> omg stewie smoked weed again
[01:29:08] <Stewie> omg omg omg ^^
[01:29:11] <wo0t> ,smack Stewie
[01:29:11] * rBOTse smacks Stewie with a stern
[01:29:17] <wo0t> lol
[01:29:32] <Stewie> hehe ^^
[01:30:24] <neocortex> ?? stern
[01:30:26] <infobot> stern[x]: No defintion found for word.
[01:30:55] <neocortex> ,translate sweedish english stern
[01:30:55] <rBOTse> neocortex: Error: 'sweedish' is not a valid from language.  Valid languages are: Chinese_simplified, Swedish, Icelandic, Estonian, Telugu, Turkish, Tamil, Marathi, Italian, Azerbaijani, Slovenian, Pashto, Gujarati, Polish, Uighur, Hindi, Inuktitut, Dutch, Norwegian, Korean, Kyrgyz, Russian, Danish, Bulgarian, Spanish, Vietnamese, Finnish, Hungarian, Macedonian, Dhivehi, Georgian, Khmer, Chinese_traditional, Malay, French, Catalan, Armenian, Romanian, Maltese, Galic
[01:31:09] <neocortex> ,tr se@en stern
[01:31:09] <rBOTse> neocortex: Error: "tr" is not a valid command.
[01:31:14] <neocortex> !tr
[01:31:39] <neocortex> ,abuse infobot
[01:31:39] <rBOTse> neocortex: Error: "abuse" is not a valid command.
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[01:33:38] <DNS> ,praise infobot
[01:33:38] * rBOTse Thumbs up infobot
[01:33:43] <DNS> heh
[01:34:22] <neocortex> infobot is gay
[01:35:23] <DNS> !hug neocortex
[01:35:24] * RBOSE hugs neocortex for DNS and hopes that neocortex enjoys it. :) 
[01:35:28] <neocortex> :D
[01:35:40] <neocortex> look!
[01:35:51] <neocortex> you made me spill coffee on my new jumper
[01:36:33] <neocortex> ,translate swedish english stern
[01:36:34] <rBOTse> neocortex: pregnancy
[01:36:39] <neocortex> ooo
[01:36:53] <DNS> ,translate german english stern
[01:36:55] <rBOTse> DNS: star
[01:37:00] <neocortex> lol
[01:37:07] <Viper>  o_0
[01:37:18] <neocortex> ,translate english german quasar
[01:37:19] <rBOTse> neocortex: Quasar
[01:37:39] <neocortex> ,translate english german solar system
[01:37:40] <rBOTse> neocortex: Sonnensystem
[01:38:00] <neocortex> ,tanslate english german moon
[01:38:00] <rBOTse> neocortex: Error: "tanslate" is not a valid command.
[01:38:26] <DNS> m0nd
[01:38:36] <neocortex> thanks infobot
[01:41:20] <Viper> ,translate english russian moon
[01:41:21] <rBOTse> Viper: луна
[01:41:24] <Viper> o_0
[01:41:28] <neocortex> :o
[01:41:30] <Viper> nice 
[01:43:13] <Viper> луна
[01:43:30] <DNS> ,translate english japanese moon
[01:43:31] <rBOTse> DNS: 月
[01:43:32] <Viper> ,translate russian german луна
[01:43:34] <rBOTse> Viper: Mond
[01:44:11] <DNS> ,translate japanese chinese 月
[01:44:11] <neocortex> ,translate german english [translate russian german ????]
[01:44:12] <rBOTse> DNS: 月
[01:44:13] <rBOTse> neocortex: ?
[01:44:17] <DNS> lol
[01:44:25] <Viper> LOL
[01:44:28] <neocortex> :(
[01:44:42] <DNS> ,translate english chinese moon
[01:44:43] <rBOTse> DNS: 月亮
[01:44:56] <DNS> 0_o
[01:45:03] <Viper> its moon with something LOL
[01:45:49] <DNS> ,translate english chinese fuck
[01:45:50] <rBOTse> DNS: 他妈的
[01:45:53] <DNS> :o
[01:46:03] <lukas> ,translate chinese english 月亮
[01:46:04] <rBOTse> lukas: Moon
[01:46:40] <DNS> 他妈的 月亮
[01:46:48] <DNS> lol
[01:46:59] <lukas> ,translate chinese english 他妈的 月亮
[01:47:00] <rBOTse> lukas: Fuck the moon
[01:47:07] <neocortex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcWEVJ8WSsg
[01:47:08] <rBOTse> 	You4Tube	 2[Title] sudupata midum galala sinhala song  remix 2[Category] Entertainment 2[Duration] 0:04:36 2[Views] 663 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2010-02-08 2[Description] I want to feel his heavenly kiss I want to feel his pure bliss I want to feel our embrace in the mist I love the sun i love the moon i love the stars i love the trees i love the mountain i love all the things in this world ...like i love you this day and until fore
[01:47:51] <Viper> bot added the  lol
[01:47:54] <Viper> smart bot!
[01:48:13] <DNS> its g00gle translat0r
[01:48:31] <Viper> there was no the in Chineez ! :-P
[01:48:54] <neocortex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY6insZjCfU
[01:48:55] <rBOTse> 	You4Tube	 2[Title] We like the moon 2[Category] Film 2[Duration] 0:01:28 2[Views] 496578 2[Rating] 4.66 2[Uploaded] 2006-08-06 2[Description] Please visit rathergood.com for more animation like this
[01:48:58] <Fat64> ,translate english chinese Jörgen
[01:48:59] <rBOTse> Fat64: 约尔根
[01:49:01] <Fat64> oh
[01:49:10] <DNS> hahaha
[01:49:35] <Viper> ,translate english chinese r
[01:49:36] <rBOTse> Viper: ṛ
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[01:49:42] <Viper> w00t
[01:49:47] <DNS> ,translate deutsch chinese arsch hut
[01:49:47] <rBOTse> DNS: Error: 'deutsch' is not a valid from language.  Valid languages are: Chinese_simplified, Swedish, Icelandic, Estonian, Telugu, Turkish, Tamil, Marathi, Italian, Azerbaijani, Slovenian, Pashto, Gujarati, Polish, Uighur, Hindi, Inuktitut, Dutch, Norwegian, Korean, Kyrgyz, Russian, Danish, Bulgarian, Spanish, Vietnamese, Finnish, Hungarian, Macedonian, Dhivehi, Georgian, Khmer, Chinese_traditional, Malay, French, Catalan, Armenian, Romanian, Maltese, Galician, Th
[01:49:56] <DNS> ,translate german chinese arsch hut
[01:49:57] <rBOTse> DNS: 驴帽
[01:49:57] <DNS> yaya
[01:49:59] <DNS> lol
[01:50:23] <lukas> ,translate english chinese DNS: Error: 'deutsch' is not a valid from language.  Valid languages are: Chinese_simplified, Swedish, Icelandic, Estonian, Telugu, Turkish, Tamil, Marathi, Italian, Azerbaijani, Slovenian, Pashto, Gujarati, Polish, Uighur, Hindi, Inuktitut, Dutch, Norwegian, Korean, Kyrgyz, Russian, Danish, Bulgarian, Spanish, Vietnamese, Finnish, Hungarian, Macedonian, Dhivehi, Georgian, Khmer, Chinese_traditional, Malay, French, Catalan, Armenian, 
[01:50:24] <rBOTse> lukas: 域名：错误：&#39;德语&#39;不是一个有效的语言。有效的语言：Chinese_simplified，瑞典，冰岛，爱沙尼亚语，泰卢固语，土族语，泰米尔语，马拉，意大利，阿塞拜疆，斯洛文尼亚，普什图语，古吉拉特语，波兰语，维吾尔语，印地文，因纽特语，荷兰，挪威，韩国，吉尔吉斯斯坦，俄罗斯，丹麦，保加利亚，西班牙，越� (1 more message)
[01:50:24] <lukas> Romanian, Maltese,
[01:50:31] <DNS> 0_o
[01:50:49] <Fat64> holy carb
[01:50:52] <DNS> muhaha
[01:50:53] <neocortex> www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw&feature=related
[01:50:54] <Viper> ,help translate
[01:50:54] <rBOTse> Viper: (translate <from-language> [to] <to-language> <text>) -- Returns <text> translated from <from-language> into <to-language>. Beware that translating to or from languages that use multi-byte characters may result in some very odd results.
[01:51:09] <Fat64> DNS �
[01:51:12] <Fat64> :}
[01:51:25] <neocortex> www.youtube.com/watch?v=frXhv4UKb-M&feature=fvw
[01:51:26] <Viper> how do i get list of languages?
[01:51:32] <Viper> ,list languages
[01:51:32] <rBOTse> Viper: Error: 'languages' is not a valid plugin.
[01:51:39] <lukas> ,plugin translate
[01:51:40] <rBOTse> lukas: The "translate" command is available in the Google plugin.
[01:51:49] <lukas> ,list Google
[01:51:49] <rBOTse> lukas: cache, calc, fight, google, lucky, phonebook, translate, and weather
[01:51:51] <DNS> !g translate languages
[01:51:52] <infobot> Google  | Yahoo! Babel Fish - Text Translation and Web Page Translation @ http://babelfish.yahoo.com/ | Google Translate @ http://translate.google.com/ | Free Translation and Professional Translation Services from SDL @ http://www.freetranslation.com/
[01:52:29] <DNS> ,help translate
[01:52:29] <rBOTse> DNS: (translate <from-language> [to] <to-language> <text>) -- Returns <text> translated from <from-language> into <to-language>. Beware that translating to or from languages that use multi-byte characters may result in some very odd results.
[01:52:37] <DNS> ,list translate
[01:52:38] <rBOTse> DNS: Error: 'translate' is not a valid plugin.
[01:52:46] <DNS> =_=
[01:52:47] <lukas> ,translate x y <--- this way?
[01:52:48] <rBOTse> lukas: Error: 'x' is not a valid from language.  Valid languages are: Chinese_simplified, Swedish, Icelandic, Estonian, Telugu, Turkish, Tamil, Marathi, Italian, Azerbaijani, Slovenian, Pashto, Gujarati, Polish, Uighur, Hindi, Inuktitut, Dutch, Norwegian, Korean, Kyrgyz, Russian, Danish, Bulgarian, Spanish, Vietnamese, Finnish, Hungarian, Macedonian, Dhivehi, Georgian, Khmer, Chinese_traditional, Malay, French, Catalan, Armenian, Romanian, Maltese, Galician, Thai, 
[01:52:50] <DNS> spam evening
[01:52:52] <DNS> lol
[01:53:08] <DNS> sorrry if some1 is with cellphone online
[01:53:10] <Viper> ,translate english chinese spam
[01:53:11] <rBOTse> Viper: 垃圾邮件
[01:54:04] <lukas> guys, you should not spend so much time on the dev box, you are getting bad habits ;)
[01:54:16] <Fat64> :)
[01:54:18] <Viper> (垃 - S)  (圾 - P)  (邮 - A)  (件 - M)
[01:55:50] <neocortex> you tell them lukas!
[01:56:06] <Viper> mous died lol
[01:56:49] <lukas> lol
[01:57:17] <lukas> neocortex, we have a lot of fun on dev box, you are welcome to join :D
[01:57:58] <neocortex> :D
[01:58:05] <neocortex> can I join
[01:58:16] <Viper> Yes you are welcome to join :D
[01:58:24] <neocortex> I will join
[01:58:34] <lukas> different attractions including server down, floods and gazillions of errors included 
[01:58:54] <Viper> any one is welcome
[01:58:55] <neocortex> lol
[01:59:00] <Viper> ONly not PJ! lol
[01:59:15] <Viper> coz hes noob
[01:59:18] <neocortex> lol
[01:59:27] <neocortex> and he does poos in his pants
[01:59:28] <vinces> hey!
[01:59:36] <lukas> hi vinces :)
[01:59:45] <Viper> wb vinces :)
[01:59:57] <vinces> thanks guys
[02:00:11] <vinces> just here to troll
[02:00:15] <neocortex> :D
[02:00:21] <vinces> :P
[02:00:22] <neocortex> trolls are GO!
[02:00:41] <lukas> vinces, only if you have the talent as in the topic :P
[02:01:35] <vinces> xD
[02:02:09] <vinces> madskillz
[02:02:09] <neocortex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1wKO3rID9g
[02:02:09] <rBOTse> 	You4Tube	 2[Title] The Downfall of Agile Hitler 2[Category] Comedy 2[Duration] 0:03:59 2[Views] 196899 2[Rating] 4.80 2[Uploaded] 2009-03-21 2[Description] Hitler goes crazy when he learns his team has not been following the tenets of the agile manifesto.
[02:02:09] <lukas> ok, good credentials, needed to ask because this scene is only for processionals ;)
[02:02:36] <neocortex> lol
[02:06:08] <neocortex> :D
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[02:25:56] <Viper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvfRpmqKRbs
[02:25:57] <rBOTse> 	You4Tube	 2[Title] Ubuntu 10.04 Compiz hard test  FULL HD 2[Category] Tech 2[Duration] 0:06:51 2[Views] 18045 2[Rating] 4.89 2[Uploaded] 2010-05-01 2[Description] MY WEBSITE: http://adamswebdesign.hu Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Lucyd 64 bit MAINSONG: Globus  Epicon Europa, Immediate Music - Age of Discovery LOWER BAR- Cairo-Dock with openGl ver. DOME PICTURE: my Creation
[02:30:43] <neocortex> :D
[02:33:19] <neocortex> :'(
[02:33:23] <neocortex> so beautiful
[02:34:17] <Viper> :-D
[02:39:52] <vinces> nice Viper
[02:44:02] <Fat64> gnight neocortex 
[02:44:05] <Fat64> thanks for all the days
[02:44:10] <Fat64> and the godly fish
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[02:46:38] <Nanos> Just watched this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy reminds me of a TZM world for some reason!
[02:46:39] <rBOTse> URL Title: Idiocracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
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[02:53:22] <neocortex> nit Fat64
[02:53:32] <neocortex> hi Nanos
[02:54:21] <neocortex> Saturday, Theosophy, yay!
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[03:03:34] <Nanos> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/latin_america/10333304.stm what do you think, work or not work..
[03:03:36] <rBOTse> URL Title: BBC News - Can painting a mountain restore a glacier? (at news.bbc.co.uk)
[03:06:36] <neocortex> lol
[03:07:07] <Nanos> I'm sure I've seen this kind of argument many times in the past in science forums, now if I could just remember who was right..
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[04:05:57] <Grits> what's up
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[05:03:06] <DNS> !night all
[05:03:06] <infobot> 
ACTION wishes everbody in #RBOSE a Good Night! (Even if infobot will not go to sleep, but DNS requested that.)
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[06:39:31] <neocortex> downloaded a 700MB movie torrent in 20 mins
[06:39:43] <neocortex> so cool
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[06:43:46] <neocortex> Hi Grits
[06:43:54] <Grits> hi
[06:43:57] <neocortex> hi
[06:44:03] <Grits> HI
[06:44:06] <neocortex> lol
[06:44:22] <neocortex> any profound insights into the nature of reality lately, Grits?
[06:44:25] <Grits> what did I miss
[06:44:28] <Grits> oh
[06:44:30] <Grits> hmm
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[06:44:36] <Grits> no
[06:45:33] <neocortex> lol
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[06:45:51] <neocortex> did you ever feel like you understood the meaning of life, Grits?
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[06:47:55] <neocortex> there was an Annonymous rally in the city today
[06:48:27] <Grits> life has no meaning
[06:48:41] <neocortex> cool
[06:49:07] <neocortex> do you get lonely, Grits?
[06:49:15] <neocortex> i do
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[06:50:40] <neocortex> God doesn't know if he's coming or going
[06:50:55] <Grits> I do not
[06:51:33] <neocortex> I wish I was more like you Grits
[06:51:43] <Grits> so do I
[06:51:49] <neocortex> lol
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[06:55:59] <neocortex> I'm watching a movie that Nanos recommended..."Idiocy"...it's cool
[06:56:14] <Grits> hmm
[06:56:18] <neocortex> *"idiocracy"
[06:56:23] <neocortex> it's funny
[06:56:56] <Grits> what's it about
[06:57:42] <neocortex> two guys are put into hibernation
[06:57:53] <neocortex> the world is a corporate shambles
[06:58:03] <neocortex> these two guys wake up 500 years later
[06:58:17] <neocortex> that's where I"m up to
[06:58:21] <neocortex> ...but apparently...
[06:58:46] <neocortex> 500 yrs in the future, the World has degerated
[06:58:58] <neocortex> into anti-intellecutalism
[06:59:08] <neocortex> or 'antillectualism'
[06:59:09] <neocortex> hehe
[07:00:03] <neocortex> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy
[07:00:12] <neocortex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy
[07:00:13] <rBOTse> URL Title: Idiocracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
[07:00:54] <neocortex> they were supposed to be frozen for 1 year
[07:01:02] <neocortex> ...but it was 500 years
[07:01:13] <neocortex> such a cool philosophical prospect
[07:05:27] <Grits> oh Idiocracy
[07:05:32] <Grits> I thought you said idiocy
[07:05:34] <neocortex> yes
[07:05:41] <neocortex> I did...first
[07:05:45] <Grits> cocksucker
[07:05:50] <neocortex> lol
[07:05:55] <neocortex> you're so rude Grits
[07:06:42] <Grits> kinda
[07:06:53] <Grits> I prefer the term blunt
[07:07:14] <neocortex> :|
[07:07:26] <neocortex> anyway
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[07:10:23] <neocortex> I don't like this movie anymore
[07:10:58] <Grits> it's pretty lame
[07:11:03] <neocortex> totally
[07:11:48] <Grits> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIOYf29j-Q0
[07:11:49] <rBOTse> 	You4Tube	 2[Title] Christian Idiocy 11 2[Category] Education 2[Duration] 0:09:12 2[Views] 32601 2[Rating] 4.93 2[Uploaded] 2008-10-16 2[Description] Another good one featuring clips from Bill Hicks, David Cross, and George Carlin. Hick and Cross on Christians, and Carlin on Religion.
[07:12:08] <neocortex> it's getting worse
[07:12:43] <neocortex> how does Hollywood survive making this shit
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[07:14:36] <neocortex> cool...that's way better Grits
[07:15:13] <Grits> heh
[07:15:19] <neocortex> yeh
[07:20:09] <neocortex> lol...so good Grits
[07:20:19] <Grits> yeah
[07:20:37] <neocortex> David Cross
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[07:42:24] <neocortex> http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-bill-gives-obama-kill-switch-to-shut-down-the-internet.html
[07:42:25] <rBOTse> URL Title: New Bill Gives Obama Kill Switch To Shut Down The Internet (at www.prisonplanet.com)
[08:04:48] <neocortex> wanna hear something funny Grits
[08:05:48] <Grits> yes
[08:06:11] <neocortex> my company is putting me in charge of security for a state Gov project
[08:06:17] <neocortex> :D
[08:06:24] <neocortex> how funny is that
[08:08:09] <neocortex> have you ever been to work stonned, Grits?
[08:09:47] <neocortex> I guess it's not that funny
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[08:09:54] <neocortex> lol
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[10:09:52] <Kebap_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XUWnxc6-GA
[10:09:53] <rBOTse> 	You4Tube	 2[Title] Illegal Drugs Bullshit 2[Category] Comedy 2[Duration] 0:08:06 2[Views] 14401 2[Rating] 4.89 2[Uploaded] 2009-01-25 2[Description] Illegal drugs are the secongd biggest business on planet earth, the biggest business is the arms trade. To make money from the arms trade , you need  conflict and war, you need people to hate and kill each  other. No one will buy  your guns and bombs if peace  and understanding reighn acr
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[11:17:42] <Fat64> kick ass and kick ASS
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[11:21:41] <kman> o/
[11:39:22] <warpi> hello! now i want you comments regarding "enegy credits"
[11:39:23] <warpi> http://openetherpad.org/energycalculation
[11:39:24] <rBOTse> URL Title: EtherPad: energycalculation (at openetherpad.org)
[11:41:42] <warpi> none online?
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[12:20:08] <warpi> nairboon, Hermann, Julius
[12:20:15] <warpi> please comment http://openetherpad.org/energycalculation
[12:20:16] <rBOTse> URL Title: EtherPad: energycalculation (at openetherpad.org)
[12:21:00] <Julius> warpi: We have a village here in hungary which is based on energy credits ...
[12:21:10] <warpi> no shit?
[12:21:19] <warpi> what is it called, how does it work?
[12:22:33] <Julius> it is called Galgafarm
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[12:23:13] <Julius> I don't know details, but to build a house for example you get a an energy quota
[12:23:14] <warpi> do they have a homepage?
[12:23:22] <warpi> okay
[12:23:39] <Julius> there is an article about in pdf
[12:23:56] <Kimsan> !idle Kimsan
[12:23:57] <infobot> Do you need a mirror, Kimsan.
[12:24:00] <Kimsan> :-B
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[12:24:24] <warpi> Julius: id love to read it!
[12:24:46] <Julius> ,g galgafarm
[12:24:47] <rBOTse> Julius: GAIA Alapítvány: <http://www.gaiaalapitvany.hu/>; buy cheap software: <http://www.gaiaalapitvany.hu/termekeink.html>; Gaia, Hungary PM38: <http://gen.ecovillage.org/iservices/publications/articles/Galgafarm%20PM38.pdf>; galgafarm-ga2005: <http://www.gen-europe.org/archives/photos/ga05photos/pages/galgafarm-ga2005.htm>; Gaia Trust - Awards: <http://www.gaia.org/gaia/gaiatrust/awards/>; Integrated (1 more message)
[12:25:02] <Julius> http://gen.ecovillage.org/iservices/publications/articles/Galgafarm%20PM38.pdf
[12:26:00] <warpi> hum
[12:26:05] <warpi> but they are eating animals?
[12:26:09] <warpi> dont seems so clever
[12:26:23] <warpi> you cannot automate that without beeing very unetical
[12:26:35] <Julius> I have visited them ones.
[12:27:08] <warpi> okay, nice
[12:27:11] <warpi> how was it?
[12:27:11] <Julius> If you cannot grow plants during the winter time, then it is godd option to eat animals.
[12:27:50] <Julius> it is nice place, let me find you some youtube video
[12:29:07] <Julius> hard to find any
[12:29:29] <nairboon> warpi: isnt this technocracy?
[12:30:01] <warpi> Julius: but you can store plants... and you can grow plants inside
[12:30:55] <warpi> nairboon: probably.... but i havent been able to find out exactly what "technocracy" means...
[12:31:06] <warpi> so... i defined it here instead... 
[12:36:45] <nairboon> http://www.eoslife.eu/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=84:energy-accounting&catid=23:economics&Itemid=95
[12:36:46] <rBOTse> URL Title: Energy Accounting (at www.eoslife.eu)
[12:36:54] <Julius> http://www.gaia.org/gaia/gaiatrust/awards/
[12:36:55] <rBOTse> URL Title: Gaia Trust - Awards (at www.gaia.org)
[12:38:38] <warpi> nairboon: i will read that
[12:38:55] <nairboon> why is there no unemployment?
[12:39:16] <nairboon> there will be for sure
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[12:39:53] <warpi> nairboon: because,, it dosent cost anything to employ anyone
[12:40:14] <nairboon> but there is not enough work for everybody
[12:40:23] <warpi> yes there is
[12:40:34] <warpi> there is always work to be done
[12:40:38] <nairboon> in a automation advocating society, aviable work is ecreasing
[12:40:56] <Antilect> Are you discussing energy credits? :)
[12:41:05] <warpi> Antilect: haha. yes :)
[12:41:06] <nairboon> yes
[12:41:23] <Antilect> I think it's very smart.
[12:41:30] <warpi> nairboon: yes... you will decrease the "minimum work time" as time passes
[12:41:37] <warpi> in the beginning there is a lot of work that really "have to be done"
[12:41:47] <nairboon> do you know "basic income"?
[12:41:54] <warpi> nairboon: nope
[12:42:01] <Antilect> But I was thinking... What if there is not enough credits to sustain what people already possess like a house etc with their new energy wage.
[12:42:13] <nairboon> basic income + energy credits + direct democracy = :D :D :D
[12:42:18] <Antilect> Yeah
[12:42:21] <Antilect> That was my idea.
[12:42:30] <Antilect> All three together :)
[12:42:34] <Antilect> Is a prequel to an RBE
[12:42:38] <Antilect> If an RBE is even possible
[12:42:43] <Antilect> without energy credits
[12:42:49] <nairboon> try it, or we never know it
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[12:43:07] <Antilect> Brb, Hakufu is here.
[12:43:14] <warpi> but.. basic income...
[12:43:17] <warpi> how should that work?
[12:43:19] <nairboon> also, what if your skill profile doesn't fit any available work?
[12:43:30] <Antilect> Mm I sorta thought basic income should be replaced by energy credits :)
[12:43:36] <Antilect> But another thought that occured to me was that
[12:43:48] <warpi> nairboon: you always have free education, and is always allowed to start a new "open company" as long its voted through
[12:43:49] <Antilect> You can increase your energy credits by building your own powerplants at home :)
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[12:44:57] <warpi> Antilect: i dont think it shoud be possible to create energy credits for your self
[12:45:29] <warpi> but.. you can "buy" a solar cell for you energy credits and install it at your home to get less depended on the system
[12:45:45] <nairboon> Antilect: yes there wont be the old money, but i ment that you have your basic energy credits income, if you need more you have to work
[12:46:03] <warpi> nairboon: aha.. you mean so....
[12:46:07] <warpi> why is that needed?
[12:46:32] <nairboon> i don't like this "you need to work 30h per week or we shot you in the head"
[12:46:35] <warpi> or should it be possible to not work?
[12:46:35] <nairboon> xD
[12:47:03] <warpi> but maybe you should get any income if you dont work?
[12:47:09] <warpi> i dont know.. this is an open discussion
[12:47:17] <warpi> maybe its good with basic income.. i havent been thinking about it
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[12:49:19] <nairboon> some want a high standard of living some not, so why do all need to work the same amount & get the same money
[12:50:06] <warpi> yeppp. true true
[12:50:06] <nairboon> also check this out: http://conceivia.com/about-us/individual-decision-power/
[12:50:07] <rBOTse> URL Title: Conceivia -Individual Decision Power (at conceivia.com)
[12:50:14] <nairboon> genious indea
[12:50:21] <nairboon> way better than normal democracy
[12:50:37] <Antilect> Mm
[12:50:44] <Antilect> I im scared of two things that communism did wrong
[12:51:00] <Antilect> first is that thing that you cant start any business if you're not approved. this creates a lof of friction when you wish to create something :)
[12:51:30] <Antilect> second, a basic income may make all the people lazy with the current valuesystem X)
[12:51:55] <nairboon> not absolute
[12:52:07] <nairboon> do you have social welfare in sweden?
[12:52:11] <Antilect> Yes
[12:52:17] <Antilect> And here people are very unmotivated
[12:52:29] <Antilect> they hate to go to the store because it's too much effort
[12:52:30] <Antilect> ;/
[12:52:35] <Antilect> Not all, but too many are like that
[12:52:39] <Antilect> I think it's a cultural thing.
[12:52:46] <lukas> yea, mindset
[12:52:49] <Antilect> Also people are afraid to talk to others and look people in the eye :)
[12:52:58] <warpi> Antilect: about the government approval for companies. i have changed this now to "expert group vote" which everyone can participate but requires a approved education the relevant area
[12:53:07] <nairboon> i think you could explain it that way: "of course you don't have to work, like in the current system -> welfare, but in result your standard of living is the same as in the current welfare system"
[12:53:57] <nairboon> and to the critics, people don't really need to work today, but they do it
[12:54:20] <lukas> (guys, may i trow in something not related just for two minutes?)
[12:54:27] <kman> Yes!
[12:54:43] * kman approve all kinds of unrelatedness.
[12:54:44] <warpi> people work because you meet people, you contribute somehow, and you get a little bonus for doing it
[12:54:53] <warpi> nairboon: i think i agree on the basic income.. its a good idea
[12:55:07] <nairboon> :)
[12:55:48] <nairboon> in the sewdish etherpad seems to be another proposal
[12:56:18] <lukas> I always thought that you may use: "There isn't any task defined currently."   OR    "There aren't any tasks defined currently." Logically "There aren't any tasks defined currently." is true even if there is one task defined. Which form is the most proper? I need that to place in bot's code.
[12:57:03] <Hermann> lukas: to me the plural form sounds most natural
[12:57:06] <warpi> "There is no tasks defined currently"
[12:57:08] <warpi> maybe?
[12:57:08] <lukas> And want to describe a situation when there is no single task defined.
[12:57:31] <Hermann> warpi: not  is+tasks as tasks is in plural form
[12:57:33] <warpi> "Currently, there is no tasks defined"
[12:57:41] <kman> lukas, as the second alternative applies to both cases, use it.
[12:57:56] <warpi> hehe.. my english sucks :) I think its very good, but very often im proved wrong :)
[12:58:14] <lukas> lol, different perspectives
[12:58:24] <Fat64> warpi no no, it doesn't really suck <3 and by being here you become better !!!FIGHT
[12:58:38] <warpi> haha
[12:58:40] <lukas> Antilect, what you think?
[12:59:51] <Hermann> warpi: and I have noticed you forget apostrophes when you write, such  as in "dont" instead of "don't". beware about "it's" versus "its". 
[12:59:57] <Antilect> lukas,  go for the 2nd one!
[13:00:15] <Antilect> "There aren't any tasks defined currently."
[13:00:40] <lukas> ok, thanks guys :)
[13:00:42] <warpi> Hermann: yepp.... ill try to do better :)
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[13:01:36] <kman> lukas, conseider grammar logic, using "There arn't aby tasjs currently defined" would be more appropriate. 
[13:01:42] <kman> *tasks
[13:01:48] <kman> Bah!!"�
[13:01:53] <Kebap_> http://www.bigpicturesmallworld.com/war-peace/index.shtml
[13:01:53] <lukas> lol
[13:01:54] <rBOTse> URL Title: BigPictureSmallWorld: Home (at www.bigpicturesmallworld.com)
[13:02:20] <warpi> i believe a lot of "expert group votes" where everyone is allowed to participate, as long they have education approved in the required subjects... maybe this will solve any corruption?
[13:02:31] <warpi> i believe a lot on*
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[13:02:42] <lukas> warpi, i don't think so
[13:02:46] <kman> lukas, switch the places of currently and defined.
[13:02:47] <warpi> why not?
[13:02:51] <kman> Thats what i was trying to say.
[13:02:57] <Kebap_> how to archieve global abundance and pay for it using part of military expenditures: http://www.bigpicturesmallworld.com/war-peace/index.shtml
[13:02:58] <rBOTse> URL Title: BigPictureSmallWorld: Home (at www.bigpicturesmallworld.com)
[13:03:56] <warpi> Kebap_: funny :)
[13:04:04] <lukas> the approved educations works like this: one is given higher positions the more obedient he/she is, it real of our system :(
[13:04:15] <lukas> it's*
[13:04:57] <lukas> * it's realm of our system
[13:05:34] <nairboon> true
[13:05:57] <nairboon> how about a peer-review expert group
[13:06:14] <kman> Could we please top using the word expert ? :3
[13:06:15] <warpi> i changed "1. Every citizen is obligated to work atleast a minimum amount of hours every week (there is exceptions concerning childrens, parents with children etc...)"
[13:06:21] <lukas> ...and goes for businesses, bureaucratic workers and academic staff
[13:06:22] <warpi> to "1. To obtain maximum sallery in energy credits, you are required to work a certain amount of hours every week (here is exceptions concerning parents with children, senior citizen etc...)"
[13:06:56] <warpi> kman: thx... i changed to "educated group" now
[13:07:00] <kman> warpi, how does your system take disability in to account?
[13:07:16] <nairboon> like: http://www.advogato.org/trust-metric.html
[13:07:17] <rBOTse> URL Title: Advogato - Trust Metric (at www.advogato.org)
[13:07:23] <warpi> kman: i dont know... maybe you have an idea... who decides that etc...?
[13:07:35] <nairboon> thats why basic income is good for:)
[13:07:37] <warpi> how does it work today?
[13:08:00] <warpi> but... most of the disabilited people can work
[13:08:08] <nairboon> in some way
[13:08:09] <warpi> just not in this price system
[13:08:19] <warpi> because there is tuff competition in this system
[13:08:19] <nairboon> some can produce music
[13:08:19] <kman> nairboon, is a good social protocol to apply on the unfortunate ?
[13:08:42] <lukas> warpi, what with inventions due yo which you would need fire thousands people, who's training cost a lot of energy credits? how welcome these will be?
[13:09:21] <warpi> lukas: please rephrase
[13:09:29] <lukas> ok
[13:09:52] <nairboon> education should be free
[13:10:00] <nairboon> so they wont cost
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[13:10:35] <warpi> yes.... to educate yourself is the same a to be working
[13:10:41] <lukas> 100 000 people gets a training in a specific profession, and then there is an invention, a break through, those people will loose the job if new discovery will be applied
[13:10:43] <nairboon> kman wha do you mean?
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[13:10:48] <warpi> so.. you will get energy credits by educate yourself
[13:11:01] <nairboon> :)
[13:11:30] <warpi> lukas: why is this a problem?
[13:11:57] <nairboon> lukas: these people should be happy, because now the total work hours are reduced by 100k
[13:12:02] <kman> warpi, i know a woman who has a currently untreatable joint symptom making her unable to move some days. Other days she is mostly stational and have to spend a day in bed after going for a walk. You want her to settle with "minimal income", watching those who are fortunately born with functional bodies earning energy credits with their work effort being the limiting factor?
[13:12:06] <warpi> nairboon: EXACTLY!
[13:12:11] <lukas> ...let's assume training them had cost a lot of energy credits, and now there is no job for them
[13:12:13] <nairboon> so everyone may gets a bit more energy credits and is :)
[13:12:23] <warpi> the total amount of work needed each week has been reduced
[13:12:42] <nairboon> there will be a big party
[13:13:40] <lukas> hmm, i know that we find one answer in science, there is plenty new questions created right away, it rather creates more to work on, than less
[13:13:43] <nairboon> kman, i would propose those with a handicap, get a higher basic income
[13:14:00] <warpi> kman: most probably will be that she tried to educate herself in that area, and how to solve the problem
[13:14:09] <nairboon> lukas, then we also have the new work for those poeple
[13:14:15] <warpi> so.. she can start a company doing this... and then allowd the full energy credits
[13:14:21] <Kebap_> here is some work to do: http://www.bigpicturesmallworld.com/war-peace/programcosts.shtml
[13:14:22] <rBOTse> URL Title: Price of Peace Chart: Programs and their costs (at www.bigpicturesmallworld.com)
[13:15:58] <lukas> nairboon, but you need to re-qualificate them, and that costs as well
[13:16:14] <nairboon> now they get money for education
[13:16:37] <warpi> i just changed that row
[13:16:39] <warpi> "2. To obtain maximum sallery in energy credits, you are required to work/study a certain amount of hours every week (here is exceptions concerning parents with children, senior citizen etc...)"
[13:16:41] <warpi> http://openetherpad.org/energycalculation
[13:16:42] <rBOTse> URL Title: EtherPad: energycalculation (at openetherpad.org)
[13:16:49] <lukas> so this mechanism simply control people?
[13:17:37] <warpi> lukas: it makes sure that the system is fair (when i put down 1 hours or work, i know that everyone else also is doing it)
[13:17:56] <warpi> and... so people dont abuse the nature
[13:18:01] <nairboon> lukas, this is probably a core problem in civilization, that some always oppose technical advance
[13:18:04] <warpi> or... companies i mean
[13:18:23] <lukas> why is that important? (just trying to be skeptical, regardless of my own perspective)
[13:18:41] <Kebap_> this is probably a core problem in psychology, that some always oppose any change
[13:18:47] <nairboon> :D
[13:19:01] <nairboon> called conservatism
[13:19:10] <warpi> lukas: why its important that i feel that everyone else also is working when im doing it?
[13:19:32] <warpi> and... that companies cannot missuse nature...
[13:19:37] <lukas> Kebap_, exactly, and this is why i was thinking about those re-qualifications, for many it's a change like a hell today
[13:19:39] <warpi> isnt that quite obvious?
[13:20:06] <warpi> lukas: what do you suggest.... that we shall still have the elevator man?
[13:20:37] <lukas> warpi, it's really not obvious in the FOSS community
[13:20:49] <Kebap_> i think it comes down to whether the elevantor man can choose his next interests on his own or not
[13:21:05] <lukas> one of the freedoms makes sure that you are free to make a choice if you want to contribute
[13:21:09] <Fat64> elevator man? 
[13:21:45] <warpi> lukas: true.. but,,, FOSS dont develop everything we need....
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[13:21:57] <lukas> and the FOSS community is fukking productive
[13:22:04] <warpi> lukas: but you are here aswell. you choose where you want to work
[13:22:19] <warpi> the goal is to have much more avaliable jobs than there is people
[13:23:09] <nairboon> how about a free market with energy credits + basic income? :/
[13:23:43] <warpi> Fat64: a job in the past where a human controlled the elevator so it stopped at the correct locations...
[13:24:17] <warpi> nairboon:  free market as in differental advantage?
[13:24:18] <Fat64> ah right
[13:24:19] <Fat64> ^
[13:24:30] <lukas> when for example i work with free solutions, and there is one million of people in the projects, after one minute of my work i get result of work for 1 000 000 minutes (in current system based on credits with a specific social status, one is able to buy only the amount of work of other worker with equal social status, the ratio for most population is 1:1)
[13:25:10] <warpi> lukas: maybe it will work.. maybe it will not... energy calculation is used to garatee that
[13:25:20] <warpi> + there is a lot of people that dont think in the FOSS way
[13:25:28] <lukas> the more people is involved in free solutions, the more we benefit
[13:25:30] <warpi> most people think in the egoistic way...
[13:25:48] <warpi> lukas: but energy calculation is based on "free solutions"
[13:25:49] <nairboon> http://peerconomy.org/wiki/Main_Page
[13:25:51] <rBOTse> URL Title: Peerconomy.org (at peerconomy.org)
[13:25:55] <nairboon> i still have to read that book
[13:26:01] <warpi> since you only pay for the energy consumed when producing the part
[13:26:10] <lukas> and i personally think that we don't need to make sure that everybody is working, we need to make sure that job is done, am i right?
[13:26:22] <nairboon> true
[13:26:58] <warpi> lukas: and how do you do that?
[13:27:46] <warpi> nairboon: "peer economy book".... it costs money...
[13:27:52] <nairboon> no
[13:28:04] <nairboon> http://peerconomy.org/text/peer-economy.pdf
[13:28:19] <lukas> i don't know yet, still researching, but i would like to see 7 billion people contributing to this system, no credit economy can offer that
[13:28:19] <nairboon> open source book!
[13:28:39] <Kebap_> lukas: "There aren't any tasks defined currently." = not a single one defined
[13:29:52] <warpi> lukas: i dont "believe" that people will help out with everything without having a fair system and a carrot
[13:30:31] <lukas> warpi, i'm just throwing in something what really seems to work today, and according to research (discussed as well at ted) today relations, importance and scale are the main motivation factors when you do complex tasks
[13:31:01] <warpi> yepp...
[13:31:17] <Kebap_> here is more on "basic income" and "archieve more-with-less": http://www.deepleafproductions.com/wilsonlibrary/texts/raw-RICH.html
[13:31:18] <rBOTse> URL Title: Robert Anton Wilson - The RICH Economy (at www.deepleafproductions.com)
[13:31:46] <nairboon> haha "Illuminati Papers"
[13:32:01] <warpi> lukas: but i dont think you will be able to motivate everyone to do "everything that needs to be done" using only motivation from scale, relations and importance
[13:32:14] <warpi> lol :)
[13:32:15] <Kebap_> nairboon: u know dem? :D
[13:32:42] <nairboon> no, bus sounds scary^^
[13:32:49] <nairboon> Kebap_: http://www.joytopia.net/
[13:32:52] <rBOTse> URL Title: Joytopia: Die Nat�rliche �konomie (at www.joytopia.net)
[13:32:53] <lukas> and i don't think we need to use people as machines anymore, possible that the amount of energy we as specie are able to reproduce is simply completely irrelevant when we tap into solar energy on massive scale and will use machines to perform most of work
[13:33:12] <lukas> warpi, but do we need to motivate everyone?
[13:33:28] <Fat64> they're building solar plants in southern sweden now, using stirling engines 
[13:33:32] <Fat64> it's on the move ^
[13:34:06] <warpi> lukas: i think so.. but if im wrong... i would be the first one being happy about it
[13:37:25] <lukas> i'm personally ready and comfortable to work on any task if we are free to use technology, design and free solution, then share with everyone on the planet so they can improve it even more, including literally work with shit at the beginning - i know we can solve those problems in intelligent way, and not by giving people repetitive jobs
[13:38:09] <nairboon> ,praise lukas
[13:38:09] * rBOTse Thumbs up lukas
[13:38:10] <Kebap_> unemployment is not a disease, but the natural, healthy functioning of an advanced technological society
[13:38:56] <warpi> lukas: same here... but... that is not possible today with money anyways...
[13:39:08] <Kebap_> One worker with a modern computer does more in an hour than a thousand medieval monks painstakingly copying scrolls for a century
[13:40:03] <lukas> and compare the energy input...
[13:46:12] <lukas> the image of uncle Sam with pointing on us finger and question "How much You have done?" is not what i personally want to see -- it probably will create create similar relations as in communism, where people were grassing on each other, i don't think this is a good motivator, it looks a bit like an another system of slavery
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[13:54:58] <kman>  <Fat64> they're building solar plants in southern sweden now, using stirling engines
[13:55:00] <kman> reference?
[13:55:06] <kman> ^^
[13:56:58] <lukas> warpi, i believe there is a problem with "everything" and "everyone" in our today perspectives -- nature doesn't do it, it creates something what starts to live in one place, then when scucceful it scales and spread though out the space -- we turned out this completely with politics; we think that we may create policies and establish new global system which will include everyone and everything from the start...
[13:57:38] <kalken> lukas: word
[13:58:50] <warpi> lukas: but i dont see the solution here... you purpose that we should spread the knowledge of open source and believe that we will change the world from the kapitalism that we have today to an rbe?
[13:59:05] <warpi> i dont think that is possible
[13:59:22] <kalken> are we talking about the paths or the goals here?
[13:59:50] <warpi> i my opinion, rbe is the goal
[14:00:02] <warpi> but, to get there.... we need something
[14:00:17] <kalken> today->rbe might need some serious change in "human behavior", that is values and such
[14:00:27] <warpi> not only that
[14:00:41] <warpi> the society is not built for that kind of social order
[14:00:51] <warpi> today... nothing really works
[14:01:17] <kalken> true. If everybody did what they wanted to day, shit would fall apart quite quickly
[14:01:28] <warpi> everything is broke one way or another, or will break soon or needs that one guy pushes that switch in the morning etc etc etc
[14:01:35] <lukas> this is not what i'm proposing - the only thing which we are showing through our work here, is that the quality of answer is proportional to time spend on solving the problem - i'm proposing to not go the easy and obvious path, and not to give up right away because we don't see yet the answer or solution here, or we think it's impossible
[14:01:44] <warpi> yepp
[14:02:00] <warpi> not least.. almost all production is made in a unsustainable way
[14:02:34] <kalken> i think that one important thing that many who wants "global ideas" forgets, is the need of belonging. To feel apart of something
[14:02:41] <warpi> i think starting a party is a good idea
[14:02:47] <kalken> ppl do most of any shitwork if they see the good in doing it
[14:02:59] <kalken> (atleast i work that way)
[14:03:15] <warpi> yepp
[14:04:05] <kalken> to make a party and make it clear that one wants to go beyond politics could be a path to take
[14:04:12] <lukas> kalken, i'm able to do that shity work as well when i see bigger good, i'm not able to the same work for any type of credit
[14:04:30] <kalken> lukas: exactly what i'm talking about
[14:04:51] <warpi> kalken: i think we need a government
[14:04:57] <warpi> atleast for now
[14:05:21] <warpi> and i think we need a credit system to make people contribute
[14:05:47] <lukas> i don't think so, I think that instead of authority we need communication and education
[14:06:03] <warpi> than we dissagree :)
[14:06:09] <kman> warpi, from my perspective, the frequency of misunderstandings in any form of human communication is determined greatly by the amount information you have access to and how you can process it. 
[14:06:22] <kalken> warpi: i think we really need ppl who care to make the important decisions (at the moment), if thats what you mean by government i agree with you
[14:06:22] <Kebap__> !m
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[14:07:04] <kman> warpi, do you share that perspective?
[14:07:05] <kalken> warpi: but what i see is in government and partys today is alot of talk to strengthen ones own position, and all seems more or less built on short term self interest
[14:07:36] <lukas> for the information seems to be the key - it shapes everything what we do, and processing informations is that what our brains do
[14:07:45] <kalken> exactly that kind of behavior that gets one higher up in the hierarchy, in todays pretty sick society
[14:08:06] <warpi> kman: sure... i think it has to do much with interpretation
[14:08:25] <kman> warpi, everything is an interpretation ^^
[14:08:33] <kalken> lukas: i agree with you. Without enough information ppls reality is distorted :)
[14:08:37] <kman> With that considering, i would say the political arena is poor in comparison with what computer technologies and development can do in terms of increasing the individuals awarness of that fact.
[14:08:53] <kman> Technologically it is simply decades behind.
[14:08:58] <warpi> kalken: i agree with the current parties.. they the problems on not enough money, and have all sorts of excuses... this will not be the case of this party...
[14:09:05] <kalken> but it might not be one path forward, but several
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[14:09:30] <kman> That is the main reason why im here, and not standing at our speakers corner.
[14:09:38] <kalken> trying the path with politics, at the same time as trying to build something without it, might end up covering more perspectives in the end
[14:09:53] <warpi> kman: but you cant put a computer to decide what is right or wrong
[14:10:22] <kman> warpi, elaborate.
[14:10:25] <lukas> and you can put human in this place?
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[14:10:33] <kalken> warpi: you mean that its always a human being that decides what the computer shall answer?
[14:10:50] <kalken> (at some level)
[14:11:24] <nairboon> aren't we talking about different stages?: warpis approach is like stage 1, what lukas is talking about is stage 2
[14:11:25] <warpi> i think humans have to have the power
[14:11:36] <nairboon> and rbe is stage 3
[14:11:38] <nairboon> :)
[14:12:01] <warpi> nairboon: i think so to
[14:12:22] <warpi> first we need to get rid of money since its fucking up everything so much
[14:12:27] <lukas> personally i rather see it as parallel paths than stages
[14:12:32] <kalken> nairboon: think you're on to something there. But stage 2 can probably start before stage one is finished :)
[14:12:42] <warpi> sure
[14:12:57] <nairboon> http://rbose.org/wiki/Hybrid_Transition
[14:12:59] <rBOTse> URL Title: Hybrid Transition - RBOSE (at rbose.org)
[14:13:58] <nairboon> sure, maybe better say milestone 1,2,3, but you can work for the one you like?
[14:14:14] <lukas> i think so
[14:14:18] <nairboon> and they all share some common "issue tickets"
[14:14:20] <warpi> i very much agree on that
[14:14:49] <nairboon> so no matter for which one you work, it will probably end up in evolving from 0->1->2
[14:15:05] <warpi> maybe energy credits is not the only way of comming to step 1... but that is a path that i believe in anyways so i will try to work on that
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[14:15:17] <lukas> i just don't believe that after about 1.5 year in this subject we are any close to solution for _everyone_
[14:15:55] <lukas> i guess with energy credit there will be people who will not contribute to cause because they will feel forced, it will be enough for them to not join the prisson camp (and i could be wrong)
[14:16:32] <warpi> yeppp. and thoes people will probably try another direction
[14:16:52] <warpi> in the same way that people that are very very rich today (money) will not vote on this party
[14:17:27] <lukas> when one starts a good buisness, he must not only know when to enter but also know when to quit - the question: is there a plan to quit energy credits?
[14:17:49] <nairboon> as soon there is a better solution?
[14:17:49] <warpi> it will go naturally
[14:17:54] <warpi> since...
[14:18:04] <warpi> the minimum amount of hours of work will be reduced by the time goes
[14:18:08] <warpi> untill we reach 0 hours
[14:18:11] <warpi> then we are at RBE
[14:18:20] <lukas> O_o
[14:18:37] <lukas> no work?
[14:18:42] <warpi> in the end.. people are just doing what they want
[14:18:58] <warpi> and the news papers is very good in informing people of what need to be done
[14:19:14] <warpi> but no one is needed to be forced, since there is so little required and so much people that wants to contribute
[14:19:28] <kalken> heh, we might define "work" as something one do because one must, not because one wants? 
[14:19:44] <kalken> work as in doing something will probably never end :)
[14:19:54] <warpi> haha.. true :)
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[14:20:02] <warpi> we need a beter word than work then
[14:20:23] <warpi> but...
[14:20:38] <warpi> it always has to do with a "minimum time of work"
[14:20:39] <warpi> so...
[14:20:39] <lukas> kalken, W = F*s (simpified)
[14:20:49] <warpi> then the minimum is 0 hours.. you can still work
[14:21:05] <warpi> or maybe change "work" to "contribute" ?
[14:21:37] <kalken> lukas: i was just trying to say that i think that you and warpi defined work differently
[14:21:52] <lukas> ...the only world possible without work is a world of ultimate entropy
[14:22:20] <warpi> haha
[14:22:24] <warpi> not work as in mechanical work
[14:22:27] <warpi> work as in human labor
[14:22:52] <lukas> warpi, human labor is basis for energy credits??
[14:23:07] <warpi> lukas: have you read http://openetherpad.org/energycalculation ?
[14:23:08] <rBOTse> URL Title: EtherPad: energycalculation (at openetherpad.org)
[14:23:33] <lukas> i've seen only 1h video presentation
[14:23:34] <warpi> "2. The amount of energy credits is avaliable is determined from the amount of energy produced"
[14:24:39] <lukas> but where are equations?
[14:24:52] <warpi> equations?
[14:25:07] <lukas> "2. The amount of energy credits is avaliable is determined from the amount of energy produced" -- how?
[14:25:25] <warpi> if there is only one units producing energy in the society
[14:25:33] <warpi> and that is 1000kWh each day
[14:25:52] <warpi> this equals 1000 energy credits
[14:26:18] <warpi> and these 1000 energy credits is distributed between the citizens
[14:26:51] <warpi> "lukas: i've seen only 1h video presentation" <-- which one?
[14:27:50] <lukas> made by technocrats, would need to look for it need (there was 4 or 6 parts)
[14:27:58] <warpi> oki
[14:29:03] <lukas> 1000kWh credits for whole human population a day?
[14:29:48] <lukas> "one units" (i didn't get that)
[14:32:52] <lukas> if so,then everyone needs 12 kids and people would work 12 times less in first second generation, and furthermore we will have exponential growth! ;)
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[14:36:40] <lukas> i think i'm missing something
[14:36:47] <lukas> hi neocortex :)
[14:36:51] <neocortex> hi lukas
[14:36:56] <neocortex> *kisses lukas*
[14:37:00] <lukas> lol
[14:37:07] <neocortex> :D
[14:37:15] <neocortex> I think I cured my depression
[14:37:24] <neocortex> I think it's all over
[14:37:48] <neocortex> :|
[14:37:55] <neocortex> oh look what's that
[14:37:59] <neocortex> ...
[14:38:10] <neocortex> what have you guys been talking about?
[14:39:45] <lukas> neocortex, about energy credits; warpi, i will throw in few things more
[14:40:02] <neocortex> thanks...
[14:41:57] <neocortex> RBE is retarded
[14:42:06] <lukas> if you take amount of time spend at work by citizen as the the basis for calculation of the imput, then first of all you have seconds (time) which is not comparable with kWh (energy) - if you don't measure the real work, you may produce illusion of it
[14:42:47] <nairboon> neocortex: http://openetherpad.org/energycalculation
[14:42:48] <rBOTse> URL Title: EtherPad: energycalculation (at openetherpad.org)
[14:43:21] <lukas> second, some people may produce more energy than others just because of the efficiency fact, why they should be "punished" and spend the same time of hours for their performance?
[14:43:58] <neocortex> thanks...reading now
[14:44:29] <neocortex> I so disagree with this
[14:45:16] <neocortex> the assumption that energy has a primative unit value
[14:45:32] <lukas> third, our planet does not produce any energy as a whole, we only consume -  when you take the input and output and include historical record from where every raw material comes from, then you will find we got everything from stars (directly) and indirectly from Big Bang (according to our current understandings)
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[14:46:18] <neocortex> not all units of evergy are equal!
[14:46:39] <warpi> lukas: for example 1000 kWh from solarcells
[14:47:11] <warpi> i mean in usuable energy
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[14:47:19] <warpi> usable*
[14:47:27] <neocortex> :(
[14:47:42] <lukas> ok
[14:48:14] <warpi> is it still unclear?
[14:48:37] <neocortex> lol
[14:48:42] <lukas> i think this system can be hacked
[14:48:51] <warpi> how?
[14:48:53] <neocortex> I don't like it
[14:49:07] <warpi> neocortex: i dont like you :)
[14:49:14] <neocortex> I know
[14:49:21] <neocortex> nobody likes me
[14:49:29] <neocortex> I thrive on it
[14:49:32] <warpi> nice
[14:49:44] <lukas> warpi,is one able to acquire materials at the end of the day?
[14:50:00] <warpi> lukas: you can buy materials for energy credits
[14:50:02] <neocortex> !hug warpi
[14:50:03] * RBOSE hugs warpi for neocortex and hopes that warpi enjoys it. :) 
[14:50:11] <warpi> neocortex: feels good :)
[14:50:15] <neocortex> :D
[14:50:28] <lukas> ok, then i can forward it to others, or someone is controlling this as well?
[14:50:36] <warpi> nope
[14:50:42] <lukas> i can?
[14:50:55] <warpi> you can give other people materials or grass or whatever you like
[14:50:58] <neocortex> please listen to me
[14:51:00] <warpi> but.. you cant give energy credits
[14:51:05] <neocortex> I have important stuff to say
[14:51:13] <warpi> energy credits is personal
[14:51:21] <neocortex> energy credits is dumb
[14:51:21] <warpi> neocortex: please tell us!
[14:51:33] <warpi> neocortex: you are dumb :)
[14:51:37] <neocortex> :|
[14:51:41] <neocortex> no I'm not
[14:51:45] <warpi> prove it
[14:51:47] <neocortex> I'm rather intelligent
[14:51:52] <neocortex> I have papers that prove it
[14:51:57] <warpi> aha
[14:51:59] <warpi> issued by whom?
[14:52:05] <neocortex> by a university
[14:52:12] <lukas> guys...
[14:52:17] <neocortex> WHAT
[14:52:20] <neocortex> :D
[14:52:20] <warpi> haha
[14:52:23] <neocortex> lol
[14:52:27] <warpi> lukas:  im just joking...
[14:52:43] <neocortex> think of the artist
[14:52:50] <neocortex> they produce nothing
[14:52:59] <warpi> i think they do
[14:53:02] <neocortex> but pure aesthetics
[14:53:11] <warpi> im listening to music now.. its fantastic!
[14:53:13] <Kebap__> obvious troll is ovbious
[14:53:23] <neocortex> aethetics are not measurable by the metrics of energy
[14:53:34] <neocortex> that's the point
[14:53:38] <nairboon> warpi: how is work measured?
[14:53:38] <neocortex> music is fantastic
[14:53:46] <lukas> neocortex, i like you, just don't think that some of the stuff in the past was a good thing to discuss and could make problems, but you already know this :)
[14:54:03] <warpi> neocortex: but.... you dont get energy credits because you produce energy... you get EC by working
[14:54:21] <warpi> nairboon: work is measured in hours... but only if you are working on a approved company
[14:54:24] <neocortex> then it's open to corruption
[14:54:42] <warpi> neocortex: why?
[14:54:52] <lukas> <nairboon> warpi: how is work measured?  -- i also wonder, do we simply measure time like today?
[14:55:02] <Kebap__> does anyone know Medard Gabel?
[14:55:02] <nairboon> pretty old system
[14:55:02] <warpi> yes...
[14:55:10] <lukas> sux for me
[14:55:23] <warpi> lukas: why?
[14:56:00] <neocortex> currency
[14:56:00] <nairboon> you can cheat easily
[14:56:12] <warpi> nairboon: how?
[14:56:16] <nairboon> who decides that i "really" worked 1 h
[14:56:24] <warpi> nairboon: the boss at the company
[14:56:26] <nairboon> maybe i played games 1/2 of it
[14:56:28] <lukas> yup, one may just intelligently fake the time at work
[14:56:35] <nairboon> xD
[14:56:46] <nairboon> then we have communism
[14:57:03] <nairboon> the boss has the authority to decide who gets "money"
[14:57:35] <warpi> nairboon: i wouldnt say that.. have you read at the bottom
[14:57:35] <warpi> http://openetherpad.org/energycalculation
[14:57:36] <rBOTse> URL Title: EtherPad: energycalculation (at openetherpad.org)
[14:57:40] <warpi> "========= Differances with capitalism ==========="
[14:57:44] <warpi> "========= Differences with communism ======="
[14:57:49] <lukas> warpi, i as boss A hire the boss B, and he does opposite, so our lives are easier from now :P
[14:57:51] <kalken> i think that we need to get rid of the direct trade :) its really what making people optimize in a bad way all the time
[14:57:58] <warpi> nairboon: exactly... the bos decides that...
[14:58:05] <warpi> or... you can be a boss yourself of an company
[14:58:27] <nairboon> haha
[14:58:33] <warpi> lukas: what does that company produce?
[14:58:35] <nairboon> i well uhm worked 200h
[14:58:58] <lukas> warpi, lot's of ours in the scheduler, just it
[14:58:59] <nairboon> it creates a hierarchic corruptions system
[14:59:03] <lukas> hours*
[14:59:19] <warpi> lukas: but the company must be approved
[14:59:27] <warpi> if it dosent produce anything at all
[14:59:30] <warpi> it will be dissaproved
[14:59:55] <lukas> yea, i also make a clan, and we are starting to build our big oligarchical system by gathering those materials at the end of the day, in few years we are able to convince others to approve our companies
[15:00:12] <neocortex> stop this silliness
[15:00:20] <neocortex> energy credits are stupid
[15:00:25] <neocortex> who thought of that
[15:00:32] <neocortex> Rothschild!!!
[15:00:37] <neocortex> that's who thought of it
[15:00:41] <neocortex> get over it
[15:00:48] <neocortex> energy credits are wrong
[15:01:00] <warpi> *telephone*
[15:01:12] <neocortex> energy credits will lead directly to fiat currency
[15:01:13] <nairboon> neocortex, so propose a better solution! :P
[15:01:19] <neocortex> I have
[15:01:23] <neocortex> nobody listens to me
[15:01:26] * nairboon listening
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[15:01:43] <neocortex> IBE
[15:01:52] <neocortex> Information Based Economy
[15:01:56] <neocortex> no money
[15:02:04] <neocortex> value = creativity
[15:02:07] <nairboon> :)
[15:02:22] <neocortex> currency is creative effort
[15:02:26] <kalken> why do we need Economy at all?
[15:02:34] <neocortex> lol
[15:02:47] <kalken> :)
[15:02:52] <neocortex> concepts
[15:02:57] <neocortex> symbolic currency
[15:03:03] <neocortex> interpretation
[15:03:11] <neocortex> there's no other value
[15:03:18] <lukas> and here we have the example of paths that are created by creative minds :D
[15:03:18] <neocortex> not energy
[15:03:26] <neocortex> :D
[15:03:27] <lukas> ,praise kalken
[15:03:27] * rBOTse Good enough kalken
[15:03:36] <lukas> ,praise neocortex
[15:03:37] * rBOTse Good enough neocortex
[15:03:38] <neocortex> ,praise lukas
[15:03:38] * rBOTse You ROCK lukas
[15:03:47] <neocortex> lol
[15:04:03] <kalken> :)
[15:04:10] <nairboon> so how do you get food in a IBE?
[15:04:16] <kalken> information based society works for me :)
[15:04:34] <warpi> i will add more information about how "open companies" work....
[15:05:12] <kalken> warpi: great. Please send me links later. I'm really interested in working out why energycredits is not just another currency
[15:05:14] <lukas> nairboon, here you have 100kB for a sandwich ;)
[15:05:25] <nairboon> lol
[15:05:27] <neocortex> no
[15:05:31] <neocortex> wrong
[15:05:37] <neocortex> you don't get it
[15:05:42] <neocortex> nobody gets it
[15:05:47] <neocortex> nobody listens to me
[15:05:54] <neocortex> I can't take it anymore
[15:05:58] <kalken> if i had sandwiches over i would give you all one for free. No economics involved :)
[15:06:10] <neocortex> yes
[15:06:12] <neocortex> that's how it works
[15:06:16] <neocortex> exactly
[15:06:26] <lukas> neocortex, we listen, but there is no enough information for us yet, to get what this idea is about
[15:06:41] <lukas> kalken, same here :D
[15:07:06] <neocortex> imagine a world with no illusions
[15:07:12] <neocortex> no deception
[15:07:16] <neocortex> only Truth
[15:07:25] <neocortex> Imagine that for one moment
[15:07:34] <kalken> neocortex: could you write something down so that everybody is clear on what you are talking about. I think thats important to remember, that not much ppl will contribute unless there are things to improve.
[15:07:52] <neocortex> there's nothing to discuss
[15:07:54] <lukas> neocortex, shit, all the False statement from the code will be gone... are you serious? ;)
[15:08:06] <neocortex> :D
[15:08:10] <lukas> :D
[15:08:15] <kalken> neocortex: maybe thats why ppl dont listen then :)
[15:08:16] <neocortex> cool huh?
[15:08:26] <neocortex> of course that's why
[15:08:39] <neocortex> and that's why the swastika is so cool
[15:08:44] <neocortex> it makes people listen
[15:09:03] <kalken> !kick neocortex 
[15:09:03] <infobot> 
ACTION *ACCESS DENIED* (But maybe it works, if you try this trigger 4 times in a row.)
[15:09:07] <kalken> :O
[15:09:21] <neocortex> ?
[15:09:56] <kalken> when the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace
[15:10:00] <lukas> neocortex, i agree with kalken, that writing a text is a better and workable solution to get people's attention
[15:10:13] <kalken> and that makes feardriven hierarchies not cool at all
[15:10:24] <nairboon> http://questioncopyright.org/minute_memes/copying_is_not_theft
[15:10:25] <rBOTse> URL Title: Copying Is Not Theft (Minute Meme #1) | QuestionCopyright.org (at questioncopyright.org)
[15:10:38] <nairboon> this should be in every kids tv
[15:11:29] <neocortex> do you know how much text exists today?
[15:11:35] <neocortex> do you have any idea?
[15:11:36] <kalken> nairboon: indeed :)
[15:12:03] <lukas> :)
[15:13:48] <neocortex> there is nothing left to writ
[15:13:50] <neocortex> *write
[15:13:59] <neocortex> there is only speech
[15:14:13] <neocortex> and action
[15:14:19] <neocortex> and chat rooms
[15:19:07] <neocortex> energy is dumb
[15:19:14] <neocortex> information is intelligent
[15:19:28] <neocortex> information is infinitely more valuable than energy
[15:19:39] <neocortex> energy does nothing
[15:19:54] <neocortex> information is completely measurable
[15:21:14] <neocortex> RBE is dumb
[15:21:18] <neocortex> kill me
[15:21:23] <neocortex> I know I'm right
[15:23:55] <lukas> neocortex, if i copy the same information 10 times, do we have it more? for sure the single information itself + the information that a copy exist > information itself :) how you want to an economy with it?
[15:24:09] <neocortex> exactly
[15:24:23] <neocortex> why is my information more valuable that the copy?
[15:24:30] <neocortex> answer:
[15:24:31] <neocortex> ...
[15:24:33] <neocortex> you ready?
[15:24:40] <neocortex> because:
[15:24:44] <neocortex> I created it
[15:24:52] <neocortex> I am the source
[15:25:00] <neocortex> My information
[15:25:10] <neocortex> you can't create My information
[15:25:20] <neocortex> that's My symbolic currency
[15:25:49] <neocortex> Me
[15:25:51] <neocortex> I
[15:26:01] <neocortex> Mine
[15:26:12] <neocortex> see
[15:29:34] <kalken> will not that endup in a place where one have a great idea and want to hide that idea to all others so one can profit from it in small pieces?
[15:30:25] <kalken> (alot like the research being done today, which basically makes everybody work with old technology)
[15:30:45] <neocortex> no
[15:30:52] <neocortex> because there can be no privacy
[15:31:01] <kalken> who decides that?
[15:31:07] <neocortex> it's already decided
[15:31:13] <neocortex> we just have to accept it
[15:31:22] <kalken> i can hide alot of things from you if i want to
[15:31:24] <neocortex> there is already no-privacy
[15:31:28] <neocortex> no you can't
[15:31:33] <neocortex> you can hide nothing
[15:31:45] <neocortex> I can see everything you do
[15:31:54] <kalken> how?
[15:32:43] <neocortex> decryption
[15:32:52] <neocortex> interpretation
[15:32:57] <neocortex> interception
[15:33:02] <neocortex> infiltration
[15:33:23] <neocortex> it's all there
[15:33:26] <neocortex> everything you do
[15:33:47] <Stewie> and whats so great about that?
[15:34:29] <neocortex> nothing
[15:34:32] <neocortex> it just is
[15:34:43] <neocortex> it's how we have become
[15:34:49] <neocortex> I'm not promoting it
[15:34:54] <neocortex> it's already like that
[15:35:11] <kalken> is IBE based on the idea of direct trade?
[15:35:16] <neocortex> no
[15:35:19] <neocortex> of course not
[15:35:27] <neocortex> indirect trade
[15:35:30] <kalken> where can i read about it?
[15:35:37] <neocortex> I made it up
[15:35:47] <neocortex> I'll write something about it
[15:35:58] <kalken> neocortex: indirect trade is the same as direct trade (because one have to give something to get something always)
[15:36:07] <neocortex> no
[15:36:18] <neocortex> we give all the time without expecting anything back
[15:36:25] <kalken> so where can i read about it?
[15:36:27] <neocortex> IBE is like that
[15:36:35] <neocortex> tell me where to write about it
[15:36:53] <kalken> openetherpad.org works for me
[15:36:53] <neocortex> here: http://openetherpad.org/energycalculation
[15:36:54] <rBOTse> URL Title: EtherPad: energycalculation (at openetherpad.org)
[15:38:25] <Fat64> who's runnin openetherpad?
[15:38:33] <Fat64> do you trust it to be 24/7kinda service? =)
[15:38:43] <kalken> Fat64: probably the Rothchild's ;)
[15:39:44] <Fat64> x)
[15:39:49] <Fat64> srs now gais
[15:40:21] <neocortex> :D
[15:40:26] <neocortex> lol
[15:40:30] <Fat64> rbose!! is there a great DIA like software for drawing diagrammes
[15:40:32] <Fat64> with nice gui
[15:40:57] <Fat64> I want to make out with you neocortex 
[15:43:28] <Fat64> http://gskinner.com/gmodeler/app/run.html is pretty fun
[15:43:30] <rBOTse> URL Title: gModeler.com (at gskinner.com)
[15:43:37] <neocortex> :D
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[15:43:44] <neocortex> *makes out with Fat64*
[15:43:52] <neocortex> *cuddle cuddle cuddle*
[15:43:55] <Fat64> *closes eyes*
[15:43:56] <neocortex> *kiss kiss kiss*
[15:43:58] <Fat64> *rivers flowing*
[15:44:03] <nairboon> http://www.mindmeister.com/de/12213323/best-online-collaboration-tools-2010-robin-good-s-collaborative-map
[15:44:05] <rBOTse> URL Title: Best Online Collaboration Tools 2010 - Robin Good's Collaborative Map - MindMeister Mind Map (at www.mindmeister.com)
[15:44:07] <neocortex> *touches special parts*
[15:44:10] <Fat64> ooh
[15:44:13] <neocortex> lol
[15:44:15] <Fat64> *grows an erect penis*
[15:44:17] <neocortex> so gay
[15:44:20] <Fat64> *shows it off to the world*
[15:44:20] <neocortex> hahaha
[15:44:23] <neocortex> lol
[15:44:27] <neocortex> so rude
[15:44:32] <Fat64> MINDMEISTER seems rad!
[15:44:39] <Fat64> neue idee
[15:44:42] <Fat64> = ny idé
[15:44:42] <neocortex> lol
[15:44:49] <Fat64> lucky me I speak moontalk
[15:44:53] <neocortex> wish Grits was here
[15:44:58] <Fat64> haha
[15:44:59] <Fat64> gritsman
[15:45:01] <neocortex> lol
[15:45:02] <Fat64> he would be like
[15:45:05] <Fat64> "What's up?"
[15:45:08] <neocortex> lol
[15:45:17] <neocortex> he would be like "cocksuckers!"
[15:45:18] <Fat64> and then completely ignore what person A said and then chat about how rotschild is eating his heart out
[15:45:23] <Fat64> and then lots of those words yes
[15:45:27] <neocortex> lol
[15:45:27] <Fat64> blimey titfuck!!!
[15:45:33] <neocortex> haha
[15:45:36] <neocortex> Fat64
[15:45:37] <Fat64> oh sorry :( I didn' really mean that
[15:45:40] <neocortex> Fat64
[15:45:42] <Fat64> that was mean and 
[15:45:45] <neocortex> Fat64
[15:45:45] <Fat64> I am a duck
[15:45:47] <Fat64> hey neocortex 
[15:45:51] <neocortex> I love you
[15:45:54] <Fat64> :D
[15:45:57] <neocortex> :D
[15:46:00] <Fat64> love is the foundation of love!
[15:46:04] <neocortex> lol
[15:46:16] <neocortex> feedback overload
[15:46:17] <Fat64> you gotta love your neighbour
[15:46:22] <neocortex> yup
[15:46:27] <Fat64> I fixed my record player with scotch tape today
[15:46:33] <Fat64> feels good man
[15:46:36] <Fat64> rbosing all the time
[15:46:43] <Fat64> reuse-recycle-repair
[15:46:44] <neocortex> oh oh oh
[15:46:46] <neocortex> guess what
[15:46:47] <Fat64> r-b-o-s-e
[15:46:48] <Fat64> yeah?
[15:46:55] <neocortex> you just gave me the best idea Fat64
[15:46:59] <Fat64> oh! 
[15:47:02] <Fat64> tell me about it
[15:47:09] <neocortex> ... I'm going outside to buy a bottle of scotch
[15:47:10] <Fat64> if you want to!222
[15:47:11] <Fat64> xD
[15:47:13] <neocortex> !!!!
[15:47:16] <neocortex> right now
[15:47:21] <neocortex> I'm so excited
[15:47:23] <Fat64> I am gonna go out and buy 1.5 litre of Coke.
[15:47:26] <Fat64> with phosphoric acid
[15:47:27] <neocortex> lol
[15:47:30] <neocortex> lol
[15:47:30] <Fat64> and citrus acid
[15:47:33] <neocortex> rofl
[15:47:35] <neocortex> bye
[15:47:36] <Fat64> and .. ofc lots of sugar =)
[15:47:38] <Fat64> bye!
[15:47:41] <neocortex> see you back here in 15
[15:47:44] <neocortex> ok
[15:47:46] <Fat64> yeah! or 20
[15:47:50] <neocortex> and talk philosophy!
[15:47:52] <neocortex> ok 20
[15:47:55] <Fat64> totally!!!
[15:47:57] <Fat64> I'm there
[15:47:59] <neocortex> IBE forever
[15:48:00] <Fat64> *puff*
[15:48:04] <neocortex> because RBE is dumb
[15:48:11] <neocortex> lol
[15:48:14] <neocortex> .
[15:48:15] <Fat64> xD
[15:48:24] <Fat64> we'll discuss it later.
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[16:11:36] <neocortex> lol
[16:12:47] <neocortex> i know how to cure depression now
[16:13:34] <neocortex> it's funny though...the cure to depression is the one thing that is inconsistent with RBE
[16:13:53] <Fat64> whoa
[16:13:58] <Fat64> what kind of depression
[16:14:00] <neocortex> I know
[16:14:04] <Fat64> you can take MAO-exhibitors
[16:14:08] <neocortex> lol
[16:14:14] <Fat64> (??not sure if I translated it correctly)
[16:14:29] <Fat64> which medically will make you go "ayeeeeeee :D"
[16:14:31] <neocortex> MAO as in 'chairman mao'
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[16:14:37] <Fat64> x)
[16:14:41] <Fat64> yeah, take him
[16:14:45] <neocortex> lol
[16:15:25] <Fat64> stick it to the man
[16:15:42] <neocortex> :|
[16:16:21] <Fat64> w_w
[16:16:54] <Fat64> Hu Jintao seems like a nice man
[16:16:58] <Fat64> let's invite him
[16:17:06] <neocortex> lol
[16:18:30] <Fat64> "peaceful development"
[16:18:49] <Fat64> neocortex: that walk to the store made me very tired
[16:18:52] <Fat64> >:|
[16:18:57] <neocortex> lol
[16:19:19] <neocortex> what time now in Sweeden?
[16:19:29] <Fat64> only 4 pm 
[16:19:33] <neocortex> lol
[16:19:37] <Fat64> iknorite
[16:19:44] <neocortex> haha
[16:20:02] <neocortex> I'm tired too
[16:20:23] <neocortex> so we have cleared everything up then...?
[16:20:34] <neocortex> IBE is superior to RBE
[16:20:36] <neocortex> cool
[16:20:46] <neocortex> and RBE is dumb
[16:20:49] <neocortex> great
[16:21:00] <neocortex> and that's everything then
[16:21:06] <neocortex> cool
[16:21:12] <neocortex> should go to sleep now
[16:21:27] <Fat64> oh
[16:21:39] <Fat64> I think this guy's on something
[16:21:43] <Fat64> and not on to something
[16:21:44] <neocortex> too late
[16:21:50] <Fat64> just .. on some medication
[16:21:52] <Fat64> strong one
[16:21:58] <Fat64> :D---->---<
[16:21:59] <neocortex> I am on medication
[16:22:07] <Fat64> is it called METH
[16:22:13] <neocortex> my psychiatrist says I'm doing very well
[16:22:17] <Fat64> what does it say on the bottle
[16:22:21] <Fat64> nice
[16:22:24] <Fat64> I'm proud
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[16:22:26] <neocortex> prozac
[16:22:35] <Fat64> god bless you
[16:22:43] <neocortex> I don't believe in god
[16:22:47] <Fat64> bless you
[16:22:51] <Fat64> I don't believe in blessings
[16:22:51] <Fat64> you
[16:22:55] <neocortex> lol
[16:22:57] <Fat64> ahaha
[16:23:04] <Fat64> I'm gonna use that in US when I'm visiting
[16:23:06] <neocortex> can we have gay sex now
[16:23:07] <Fat64> "Atchoo!!!"
[16:23:09] <Fat64> "You."
[16:23:18] <Fat64> like I'm oh
[16:23:20] <Fat64> hard as hell
[16:23:24] <neocortex> lol
[16:23:35] <Fat64> hell is hard, you see in every game, if you choose difficulty hell
[16:23:39] <Fat64> you know it's gonna get hard.
[16:23:41] <Fat64> GET HARD
[16:23:47] <neocortex> lol
[16:23:59] <Fat64> I like the english language it's way funnier than swedish
[16:24:52] <neocortex> lol
[16:25:32] <kalken> we got more words in swedish?
[16:25:46] <kalken> like lagom :)
[16:26:01] <Fat64> mm ^
[16:26:27] <neocortex> ,translate swedish english lagom
[16:26:28] <rBOTse> neocortex: moderate
[16:26:31] <neocortex> lol
[16:26:47] <Fat64> "everything here is moderate"
[16:26:50] <Fat64> you can't really pull that off
[16:26:54] <kman-afk> lagomator
[16:26:56] <Fat64> haha
[16:26:56] <kalken> neocortex: there is no word for that in english really :)
[16:27:05] <neocortex> really?
[16:27:11] <Fat64> mm, the actual meaning of it means to be .. swedish so :D
[16:27:17] <kalken> not to much, not to little sort of :)
[16:27:19] <neocortex> lol
[16:27:24] <Fat64> where everything is just , where it's at.. and exactly what kalken said
[16:27:25] <Fat64> ^
[16:27:32] <neocortex> ZEN
[16:27:35] <Fat64> swedish people like to find that middle ground
[16:27:35] <Fat64> mm
[16:27:38] <Fat64> maybe
[16:27:41] * Fat64 googles ZEN
[16:27:43] <neocortex> awesome
[16:27:58] <Fat64> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Japanese_buddhist_monk_by_Arashiyama_cut.jpg 
[16:28:04] <Fat64> that guy is so cool
[16:28:09] <Fat64> don't care about anyone staring at him
[16:28:15] <neocortex> haha
[16:28:23] <Fat64> he's also forming a fake vagina with his hands
[16:28:34] <neocortex> no it's a burger
[16:28:42] <Fat64> it's a huge alien vagina
[16:28:44] <Fat64> ok it's a burger
[16:28:49] <Fat64> he's hungry :>
[16:28:57] <neocortex> lol
[16:29:20] <neocortex> lol
[16:30:09] <Fat64> have you started on your scotch yet neo?
[16:31:10] <neocortex> i didn't buy
[16:31:14] <neocortex> I went for a walk
[16:31:16] <neocortex> to buy
[16:31:24] <neocortex> then decided...nope
[16:31:33] <neocortex> tomorrow is too important
[16:31:59] <neocortex> so just come back
[16:32:06] <neocortex> was cool walk
[16:32:14] <neocortex> saw all the stupid people on Saturday night
[16:32:33] <neocortex> some cute guys
[16:32:42] <Fat64> cute 
[16:32:45] <neocortex> actuing like spastics
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[16:32:56] <Fat64> don't have a cow man
[16:33:02] <neocortex> lol
[16:33:02] <Fat64> what is going on tomorrow
[16:33:06] <Fat64> :O
[16:33:18] <neocortex> have a new focus in life
[16:33:24] <neocortex> a new center
[16:33:37] <neocortex> tomorrow focus
[16:33:41] <Fat64> neocortex:generateNewOrigo();
[16:33:43] <Fat64> good :)
[16:34:09] <neocortex> lol
[16:35:17] <neocortex> good nite
[16:35:45] <Fat64> gnight bro!
[16:35:50] <neocortex> if you have questions about IBE you can contact me on +61 430 194 007
[16:36:04] <neocortex> we have operators waiting to take your call
[16:36:20] <neocortex> all trained professionals in IBE deplomacy and philosophy
[16:36:25] <neocortex> please take your time
[16:36:31] <Fat64> I don't have the time!!!
[16:36:42] <Fat64> can I buy time from you
[16:36:52] <neocortex> time is not for sale
[16:37:05] <neocortex> good nite
[16:37:17] <Fat64> sail away
[16:37:43] <neocortex> *fades to black*
[16:37:50] <Fat64> *waves to the fog*
[16:38:30] <nairboon> http://peerconomy.org/talks/ox4/
[16:38:31] <rBOTse> URL Title: Peer Production Everywhere (at peerconomy.org)
[16:43:21] <nairboon> http://www.appropedia.org/
[16:43:23] <rBOTse> URL Title: Appropedia (at www.appropedia.org)
[16:45:34] <nairboon> http://www.rowetel.com/ucasterisk/
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[16:46:58] <nairboon> http://open-innovation-projects.org/
[16:46:59] <rBOTse> URL Title: Open Source Innovation Community - Open Innovation Projects (at open-innovation-projects.org)
[16:47:01] <nairboon> :O
[16:56:18] <kalken> http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/06/introducing-google-command-line-tool.html
[16:56:19] <rBOTse> URL Title: Introducing the Google Command Line Tool - Google Open Source Blog (at google-opensource.blogspot.com)
[16:56:44] <kalken> the python at work
[16:58:33] <kalken> nairboon: :O
[17:01:33] <lukas> http://peerconomy.org/talks/ox4/ <--- kalken, kman, this is interesting, thx nairboon :)
[17:01:34] <rBOTse> URL Title: Peer Production Everywhere (at peerconomy.org)
[17:02:04] <nairboon> DNS ^
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[17:15:11] <kalken> lukas: interesting indeed :)
[17:15:48] <nairboon> doesn't this fit very good into rbose?
[17:16:22] <DNS> yes sounds nice :)
[17:16:48] <nairboon> any critics or flaws for pp yet?
[17:22:37] <lukas> well, they summarized it nice, you contribute to ideas so you are a member of a planetary team working on the cause, you not contribute, then you reduce chances that you will see what you need, peer production also makes clear how you will get the stuff you need (you want to have better life? diy, and the more you share the more you will get)
[17:32:48] <nairboon> i wonder how energy is managed in a pe
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[17:38:48] <nairboon> http://www.keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/upset-slides.html
[17:38:50] <rBOTse> URL Title: Universal Production Set (UPset) (at www.keimform.de)
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[17:43:00] <nairboon> warpi: check this out: http://peerconomy.org/talks/ox4/
[17:43:02] <rBOTse> URL Title: Peer Production Everywhere (at peerconomy.org)
[17:43:33] <warpi> hum
[17:58:23] <kalken> http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/ninjapunch3.gif
[17:58:27] <kalken> ^^
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[18:04:48] <Grits> what's up
[18:10:14] <warpi> nairboon: 
[18:10:19] <warpi> in t
[18:10:20] <warpi> http://peerconomy.org/talks/ox4/
[18:10:22] <rBOTse> URL Title: Peer Production Everywhere (at peerconomy.org)
[18:10:32] <warpi> it seems that you have to pay for stuff using weigher hours
[18:11:23] <Billll> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism
[18:11:23] <rBOTse> URL Title: Anarchism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
[18:16:48] <warpi> i think i have read this before, but now its updated
[18:16:54] <warpi> its a good reading...
[18:17:14] <warpi> this society seems much more decentralized
[18:17:38] <Billll> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalist <-- The basic principles of anarcho-syndicalism are workers' solidarity, direct action, and workers' self-management. Workers� solidarity means that anarcho-syndicalists believe all workers, no matter what their gender or ethnic group, are in a similar situation in regard to their bosses (class consciousness). Furthermore, it means that, in a capitalist system,
[18:17:38] <Billll>  any gains or losses made by some workers from or to bosses will eventually affect all workers. Therefore, to liberate themselves, all workers must support one another in their class conflict.
[18:17:39] <rBOTse> URL Title: Anarcho-syndicalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
[18:17:49] <Grits> hmm
[18:18:23] <Billll> sort of like peer ro peer but not really
[18:18:27] <Billll> of*
[18:18:33] <Billll> to*
[18:18:51] <Grits> I've started harvesting squash out of my garden
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[18:19:31] <nairboon> pp is a direct way to rbe
[18:19:54] <warpi> nairboon: you mean pirat partiet?
[18:20:02] <nairboon> peer production xD
[18:20:22] <warpi> aha... ok :)
[18:20:38] <nairboon> we should inflitrate the pirate party with this anarchic pp ideas^^
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[18:20:57] <nairboon> so that the pirate party also has its economy to fight for
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[18:21:46] <warpi> nairboon: pirate party dont think that broad as i have understood
[18:21:51] <warpi> and.. its a really shitty name
[18:21:55] <nairboon> warpi are you going to start a party?
[18:22:15] <warpi> nairboon: i will try to. until people convince me otherwise :)
[18:22:50] <nairboon> better build up this peer economy, or build a party to promote the peer economy :)
[18:23:05] <warpi> but...
[18:23:13] <warpi> how do i buy food?
[18:23:24] <warpi> and how do i get an appartment using PP?
[18:23:36] <nairboon> :)
[18:23:50] <nairboon> how do i get electricity
[18:24:17] <warpi> i have went through 31 slides, and i still dont know how to buy food
[18:24:33] <nairboon> food would probably be "common"
[18:24:37] <nairboon> xD
[18:26:09] <warpi> i dont think that work
[18:26:17] <warpi> not with the current state of mind of people
[18:26:48] <warpi> i just heard that my mother and sister have bought a lot of luxury food and asked if i wanted to come over and eat some of it
[18:27:09] <warpi> as long as people have this kind of idea of what is "luxury" we will need a limitation
[18:27:29] <Billll> true
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[18:30:20] <nairboon> you would first have to create food abundance
[18:30:47] <warpi> you cannot just say that.. first you have to create etc etc
[18:30:57] <warpi> you have to create a system where this is possible to develop
[18:31:05] <warpi> with the current system, that will NEVER happend
[18:31:45] <warpi> by the nature of monetary economics, you cannot create abundance
[18:32:04] <warpi> this is why the economy in USA is worse than every now, since they tried to do that with houses
[18:32:10] <warpi> that everyone that wants a house could get one
[18:32:22] <warpi> the monetary system does not allow this.. its not possible
[18:33:02] <nairboon> food abundance by peer production
[18:33:34] <nairboon> so smal groups come up and form a bigger peer economy, where you have food abundance
[18:33:49] <warpi> hum
[18:34:28] <Antilect> http://www.pown.it/1733
[18:34:29] <rBOTse> URL Title: Flash loop - dance, mccain, steb - 1733 (at www.pown.it)
[18:39:21] <nairboon> there is some peer-economy-bootstrapping problem
[18:54:27] <nairboon> i think a total peer economy is more a "stage 2" system :(
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[18:55:36] <nairboon> i.e even if we were 10 guys with all knowledge and tools, where do we get the steel to produce a bicycle?
[18:55:56] <nairboon> pp hasn't an answer for that yet
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[19:02:02] <kalken> http://i.imgur.com/4tyg6.jpg
[19:02:42] <Sixth_Ape> I need some help with website, anyone up for a challenge?
[19:03:18] <Kebap> better just state your question ^^
[19:04:02] <Sixth_Ape> ok check this out www.sugarlane.co.za
[19:04:43] <Kebap> Microsoft FrontPage? =(
[19:04:48] <Sixth_Ape> on the left is a gif file I just cant get the page wider so the writing is not on the picture
[19:04:57] <Sixth_Ape> Its all I know atm
[19:09:56] <Kebap> its hard to help you if you dont know the code you produce :D and i dont know frontpage
[19:17:50] <Sixth_Ape> np thx :)
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[19:31:39] <Stewie> ,weather ratingen
[19:31:40] <rBOTse> Stewie: Weather for Ratingen, North Rhine-Westphalia on 2010-06-19 @ 17:00UTC: Current:  14℃  Partly Cloudy,  Wind: NW at 13 mph; Humidity: 45%; Sat: Chance of Rain ( 15℃ | 7℃ ); Sun: Chance of Rain ( 16℃ | 5℃ ); Mon: Chance of Rain ( 17℃ | 7℃ ) 
[19:31:52] <nairboon> scheiss sommer!
[19:32:04] <Stewie> hehe aberhallo! ^^
[19:32:37] <Stewie> 14°c in june wtf??
[19:32:45] <nairboon> ,w zürich
[19:32:46] <rBOTse> nairboon: Weather for Zurich, Zurich on 2010-06-19 @ 16:50UTC: Current:  12℃  Mostly Cloudy,  Wind: SE at 5 mph; Humidity: 82%; Sat: Chance of Rain ( 12℃ | 5℃ ); Sun: Chance of Rain ( 10℃ | 7℃ ); Mon: Chance of Rain ( 13℃ | 8℃ ) 
[19:32:56] <nairboon> haha noch kälter
[19:33:01] <Stewie> jebus
[19:33:06] <Stewie> lol
[19:33:38] <nairboon> anyone colder than that?
[19:33:45] <nairboon> (except sweden) ^^
[19:33:59] <Stewie> ,weather stockholm
[19:34:00] <rBOTse> Stewie: Weather for stockholm on 2010-06-19 @ 16:50UTC: Current:  18℃  Clear,  Wind: S at 8 mph; Humidity: 45%; Sat: Mostly Sunny ( 15℃ | 7℃ ); Sun: Chance of Rain ( 15℃ | 7℃ ); Mon: Mostly Sunny ( 15℃ | 5℃ ) 
[19:34:04] <nairboon> :)
[19:34:07] <Stewie> haha ^^
[19:34:18] <Stewie> ,weather rome
[19:34:19] <rBOTse> Stewie: Weather for Rome, Lazio on 2010-06-19 @ 17:26UTC: Current:  22℃  Partly Cloudy,  Wind: SW at 14 mph; Humidity: 69%; Sat: Showers ( 25℃ | 17℃ ); Sun: Showers ( 21℃ | 13℃ ); Mon: Partly Cloudy ( 23℃ | 13℃ ) 
[19:34:27] <nairboon> ,w berlin
[19:34:28] <rBOTse> nairboon: Weather for Berlin, Berlin on 2010-06-19 @ 16:50UTC: Current:  16℃  Cloudy,  Wind: W at 15 mph; Humidity: 48%; Sat: Chance of Rain ( 16℃ | 7℃ ); Sun: Cloudy ( 15℃ | 6℃ ); Mon: Clear ( 21℃ | 8℃ ) 
[19:34:37] <nairboon> ,w paris
[19:34:38] <rBOTse> nairboon: Weather for Paris, Ile-de-France on 2010-06-19 @ 17:26UTC: Current:  13℃  Showers,  Wind: N at 14 mph; Humidity: 67%; Sat: Partly Cloudy ( 16℃ | 9℃ ); Sun: Partly Cloudy ( 16℃ | 9℃ ); Mon: Partly Cloudy ( 20℃ | 10℃ ) 
[19:34:46] <nairboon> dam zürich
[19:35:11] <Stewie> ah it sux everywhere in europe it seems
[19:35:38] <Stewie> ,weather istanbul
[19:35:39] <rBOTse> Stewie: Weather for istanbul on 2010-06-19 @ 17:26UTC: Current:  26℃  Partly Cloudy,  Wind: NE at 10 mph; Humidity: 47%; Sat: Clear ( 28℃ | 21℃ ); Sun: Partly Cloudy ( 29℃ | 22℃ ); Mon: Sunny ( 31℃ | 22℃ ) 
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[19:36:02] <nairboon> ,w Pretoria
[19:36:03] <rBOTse> nairboon: Weather for Pretoria, Gauteng on 2010-06-19 @ 15:00UTC: Current:  14℃  ,  Wind: N at 4 mph; Humidity: 24%; Sat: Clear ( 15℃ | 1℃ ); Sun: Clear ( 17℃ | 1℃ ); Mon: Clear ( 16℃ | 0℃ ) 
[19:36:07] <nairboon> haha
[19:36:18] <nairboon> ,w Johannesburg
[19:36:19] <rBOTse> nairboon: Weather for Johannesburg, Gauteng on 2010-06-19 @ 17:00UTC: Current:  9℃  Clear,  Wind: NW at 6 mph; Humidity: 46%; Sat: Clear ( 11℃ | -1℃ ); Sun: Clear ( 13℃ | 3℃ ); Mon: Clear ( 15℃ | 6℃ ) 
[19:36:27] <nairboon> :O
[19:36:43] <Stewie> lol.. i stay home fuck it ^^
[19:37:23] <nairboon> happy soccer play @9°
[19:37:47] <Stewie> haha.. yeah i just pretend i give a ratz ass
[19:37:54] <Stewie> ,weather caymen islands
[19:37:55] <rBOTse> Stewie: Error: Google must be dumb because it is unable to find location caymen islands
[19:38:07] <Stewie> any island
[19:39:37] <Stewie> ,weather george town
[19:39:39] <rBOTse> Stewie: Weather for George Town, Grand Cayman on 2010-06-19 @ 17:00UTC: Current:  32℃  Cloudy,  Wind: E at 13 mph; Humidity: 66%; Sat: Mostly Sunny ( 32℃ | 26℃ ); Sun: Chance of Rain ( 32℃ | 27℃ ); Mon: Chance of Storm ( 31℃ | 25℃ ) 
[20:00:28] <warpi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AAa0gd7ClM
[20:00:29] <rBOTse> 	You4Tube	 2[Title] BP Spills Coffee 2[Category] Comedy 2[Duration] 0:02:49 2[Views] 5880949 2[Rating] 4.93 2[Uploaded] 2010-06-09 2[Description] This is what happens when BP spills coffee.  More comedy videos: http://www.UCBComedy.com    Like UCB: http://www.facebook.com/pages/UCBcomedycom/10522597325?ref=ts    Follow UCB: http://www.twitter.com/UCBcomedy   Director: Peter Schultz & Brandon Bassham; Writers: Gavin Speiller, Eric Scott
[20:00:55] <Sixth_Ape> yea winter sucks!
[20:01:29] <Sixth_Ape> ,weather bahamas
[20:01:30] <rBOTse> Sixth_Ape: Error: Google must be dumb because it is unable to find location bahamas
[20:01:39] <Sixth_Ape> mmmm
[20:09:06] <nairboon> ,w wellington
[20:09:07] <rBOTse> nairboon: Weather for Wellington, Wellington on 2010-06-19 @ 17:00UTC: Current:  11℃  Rain,  Wind: E at 4 mph; Humidity: 88%; Sun: Chance of Rain ( 15℃ | 10℃ ); Mon: Chance of Rain ( 15℃ | 5℃ ); Tue: Clear ( 12℃ | 5℃ ) 
[20:11:21] <nairboon> ,w wostok
[20:11:22] <rBOTse> nairboon: Error: Google must be dumb because it is unable to find location wostok
[20:11:35] <nairboon> ,w jakutsk
[20:11:36] <rBOTse> nairboon: Error: Google must be dumb because it is unable to find location jakutsk
[20:11:44] <nairboon> ,w harbin
[20:11:45] <rBOTse> nairboon: Weather for Haerbin, Heilongjiang on 2010-06-20 @ 07:00UTC: Current:  21℃  Partly Cloudy,  Wind: NW at 9 mph; Humidity: 53%; Sun: Clear ( 25℃ | 12℃ ); Mon: Chance of Rain ( 20℃ | 8℃ ); Tue: Chance of Rain ( 20℃ | 11℃ ) 
[20:13:01] <Stewie> ,w camberra
[20:13:02] <rBOTse> Stewie: Error: Google must be dumb because it is unable to find location camberra
[20:13:35] <Stewie> ,w canberra
[20:13:36] <rBOTse> Stewie: Weather for Canberra, ACT on 2010-06-19 @ 18:06UTC: Current:  2℃  Partly Cloudy,  Wind: SE at 5 mph; Humidity: 100%; Sun: Partly Cloudy ( 13℃ | 3℃ ); Mon: Partly Cloudy ( 12℃ | 3℃ ); Tue: Mostly Cloudy ( 12℃ | 3℃ ) 
[20:14:26] <nairboon> :O
[20:14:37] <Stewie> i think we are moving further away from the sun ^^
[20:14:45] <nairboon> lol
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[20:31:33] <DNS> next ice time is coming
[20:31:36] <DNS> heh
[20:35:59] <Stewie> von eiszeit zur endzeit die blindheit der menschheit
[20:37:37] <Fat64> fasmanarar
[20:37:43] <Fat64> is the name of my new song
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[20:57:49] <Pest|> thoughthmm
[20:57:52] <Pest|> sucks
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[22:29:05] <Viper> Hi all 
[22:34:07] <Stewie> hey ^^
[22:35:33] <Viper> :)
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[23:24:26] <kman-afk> Yay! Our planet is a spherical!
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