[00:10:51] *** Quits: Grits (Grits@RBOSE-d6e9fa8f.shawneelink.net) (Quit: Leaving.) [00:38:10] *** Quits: hellfire77 (qwebirc@5F1CD7.14D722.FB4866.48B048) (Quit: Page closed) [00:43:24] *** Quits: neocortex (neocortex@RBOSE-4d36733d.iinet.net.au) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [01:08:10] *** Joins: neocortex (neocortex@RBOSE-bd5c1d12.nxg.net.au) [01:16:55] Yo homies! [01:17:00] http://piratepad.net/RBOSE-Gathering-Osthammar [01:17:01] URL Title: PiratePad: RBOSE-Gathering-Osthammar (at piratepad.net) [01:17:13] :D [01:17:15] hi Caly-Lap [01:17:40] http://doodle.com/9t9mah8ivg9cbzid [01:17:41] URL Title: Doodle: RBOSE Gathering Östhammar (at doodle.com) [01:17:45] hi neocortex [01:18:04] hi :D [01:18:08] *hug* [01:19:30] =) [01:21:07] :) [01:26:02] Caly-Lap, neocortex: http://rbose.org/why.html [01:26:03] URL Title: Why? - RBOSE. Resource Based Open Source Environment (at rbose.org) [01:27:11] :D :D :D [01:27:15] who wrote that? [01:27:19] it's awesome [01:29:09] "As a result, technology and art that could vastly improve human culture and society as a whole, is kept scarce and out of reach for most people. This way of thinking promotes scarcity as a profit motive, and often results in products with planned obsolescence and perpetual waste." [01:29:56] Not to be an ass, but... How does keeping things scarce cause automatic planned obsolescence and perpetual waste? [01:31:06] omg is that the time [01:31:10] *runs* [01:31:10] Scarcity makes cost go up, but that cost doesn't dictate if a product is becoming wasteful or becoming a product of planned obsolescence. [01:32:01] !r RBOSE:WHW [01:32:01] If anything, from what we see today, the more that something cost, the longer it last. [01:32:02] RBOSE:WHW - RBOSE | Release version: 1.0 "Resource Based Open Source Environment - A collaboration platform for humanity." @ http://rbose.org/wiki/RBOSE:WHW [01:32:19] suggestions are welcome here ^ :) [01:32:34] Go to a dollar store and case closed. [01:32:37] LoL [01:32:47] Okay Lukas. [01:32:54] I'll check it out. [01:33:13] neocortex: *runs* <--- Don't be scared. [01:33:14] LoL [01:33:24] Lukas, I like the theme though. [01:33:31] You know... The 5 W's [01:33:38] - neo is scared of rational conversation [01:33:43] That's a great outline. [01:34:18] *** Joins: Diogenez (qwebirc@72FD5D.572126.D69BBC.B07CAF) [01:34:24] hey [01:34:31] What's up? [01:34:40] did anybody notice my comments deleted [01:34:46] on the radio address yesterday [01:34:49] blog talk [01:34:57] it was about attack on the movement show [01:34:57] Oh word? [01:34:58] LoL [01:35:00] ya [01:35:05] Well, I copied those comments. [01:35:12] the are so sure of themselfs and afreain of free speach [01:35:13] And the last one stuck out like a sore thumb. [01:35:13] LoL [01:35:24] haha [01:35:30] the Antisthenes one [01:35:40] yeah, the ana guy [01:35:41] LoL [01:35:43] me [01:36:00] it is almost unreal how much defensivnes they have [01:36:07] 'flawed group of persons' [01:36:10] that is our new label [01:36:14] Yeah, a lot of protectionism indeed. [01:36:23] 'really sad' [01:36:38] undermenchen [01:36:39] hah [01:36:49] peter joseph would make a great fascist [01:36:57] LoL [01:37:03] and his homophiliac hentchmen too [01:37:18] i am at a temp job [01:37:25] i am suprized this IRC works here [01:37:26] I can't believe deleted those comments. [01:37:27] Lol [01:37:32] they have a wicked firewall [01:37:34] Oh, cool. [01:37:37] I'm at work too. [01:37:43] ya did he even address then? [01:37:49] i am listening to the show now [01:37:54] it is one big defensiveness fest [01:38:08] Actually. [01:38:16] He even locked down the chat room. [01:38:19] yup [01:38:30] No one could chat and his excuse was he wanted people to pay attention. [01:38:30] i have been banned from blogtalk chat rooms by him [01:38:33] That was a lame excuse. [01:38:39] vendictive people [01:38:39] haha [01:38:40] Wow... [01:38:48] morons... [01:38:51] a pathetic attempt at petty ourrage and nothing else [01:38:57] omg it's him [01:38:57] in the words of Peter... [01:39:02] Diogenez!! [01:39:07] yo [01:39:10] hi Diogenez [01:39:14] my house got robbed [01:39:19] that is why i have been gone for a bit [01:39:19] DNS: here? [01:39:25] i got my computers stolen [01:39:30] Damn... [01:39:30] oh no [01:39:38] material items [01:39:42] BranManFloMore, we were not talking in that sentence about scarcity only, but the way of thinking. [01:39:47] i wonder if they log on to my accounts with Pigin who knows [01:40:04] i think it was a drug addicted neigborhood person or kids who knows [01:40:08] it could evne be the UPS man [01:40:31] scarcity was mentioned as something what is promoted as well with "this way of thinking" [01:41:10] 'it's only about awareness' [01:41:37] anybody who does dirrect action is verbotten ? [01:42:05] for instance i raised some critical questions at the Brights movement forum [01:42:16] and they took it as constructive critisism and we moved on [01:42:38] if it was the zeitgeist peopel they would long on mental attack mode and ban kick ban [01:43:01] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7AWnfFRc7g [01:43:02] You4Tube 2[Title] RSA Animate - The Empathic Civilisation 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 0:10:40 2[Views] 286487 2[Rating] 4.95 2[Uploaded] 2010-05-06 2[Description] Bestselling author, political adviser and social and ethical prophet Jeremy Rifkin investigates the evolution of empathy and the profound ways that it has shaped our development and our society. [01:43:10] really good, watch it! [01:43:14] i wish youtube worked here [01:43:47] Then I think there is a flaw in the thinking Lukas: "Throughout the time of the existence of mankind, there have been numerous attempts to keep science, knowledge and resources shared as common heritage." <--- That's the scarcity thinking. Okay. "Yet history has shown that individuals can feel the need to claim ownership of resources, and protect their work from being shared when faced with scarcity in resource access." <--- Same [01:43:49] everything petere says has more to do with himself than others [01:43:58] projection king [01:44:26] did you guys read about Platos code being broken? [01:44:35] he hid it in music notes so as not to be killed [01:45:12] I'll copy and paste my suggestions on that page Lukas, no worries. [01:45:15] [Dr. Kennedy said] 'I have shown rigorously that the books do contain codes and symbols and that unraveling them reveals the hidden philosophy of Plato. This is a true discovery, not simply reinterpretation.' ... The hidden codes show that Plato anticipated the Scientific Revolution 2,000 years before Isaac Newton, discovering its most important idea — the book of nature is written in the language of mathematics. ... Plato did not design his [01:45:35] I still like the initiative, I'm not trying to argue. [01:45:42] I like it a lot. [01:45:43] http://www.manchester.ac.uk/aboutus/news/display/?id=5894 [01:45:44] URL Title: Science historian cracks "the Plato code" (The University of Manchester) (at www.manchester.ac.uk) [01:45:49] sure Brandon :) [01:46:06] but "Throughout the time of the existence of mankind, there have been numerous attempts to keep science, knowledge and resources shared as common heritage." <---it's opposite to scarcity, isn't? [01:46:39] peter talks in circles and is full of himself and finds ways to dismiss any and everything [01:46:39] I'm disagreeing with the last sentence of that paragraph. [01:46:41] ideologe [01:46:46] Not that one Lukas. [01:47:03] I'm not* [01:47:12] But... [01:47:17] I wouldn't say attempts. [01:47:41] did anybody notice my comments deleted [01:47:41] on the radio address yesterday <--- what do you mean? [01:47:43] I would say a poor environment has forced people to keep science, knowledge and resources from being shared with everyone. [01:47:44] "idiotic and absurd" [01:47:47] he is the insult master [01:47:53] That's how I would re-word it. [01:47:57] :) [01:48:43] greed is peters minions stratagy to keep power to abuse others under the systems of communication they control [01:48:44] People don't just "attempt" to make things scarce. [01:49:00] valueation [01:49:10] There's a reason, and that's the environment that produces scarcity to begin with, would you agree? [01:50:29] we dont know [01:50:39] but it is smart to not extract more than one can use [01:50:48] prior proper planning and preperation [01:50:49] Diogenez: greed is peters minions stratagy to keep power to abuse others under the systems of communication they control <--- They are power junkies for sure and I'm documenting all the BS that happens. [01:50:55] i just wonder... opening bible (translation to english) which has been attacked by church and called, Gutenberg's printing press, and numerous others, those were not frighted by poor people, quite opposite [01:51:38] I'm not sure what you mean Lukas. [01:51:44] manufactured scarcity by people in power like only one teamspeak server with 1 admin [01:51:53] *** Quits: Hermann (nicklas@RBOSE-735eebf1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [01:52:09] there is no way to create concesnsus with a 1 powerful person at the top [01:52:23] its like USA at the UN [01:52:25] That's intangible false scarcity. [01:52:27] veto [01:52:38] even now we are trying to open stuff (data, art, hardware, software), and still some people flight with this, and they are not the poor ones [01:52:51] Scarcity of perks like chatting with Peter, banning people and so on. [01:52:54] or like the denial of nuke tech to 'enemy nations' [01:53:49] descscions making process... [01:54:07] 'most people have no concept .. ' - peter [01:54:32] lukas: even now we are trying to open stuff (data, art, hardware, software), and still some people flight with this, and they are not the poor ones <--- Okay then, I would change my sentence again by saying "Through out mankind, people create scarcity due to lack of reason and information about how resources being shared with others can caused less conflicts?" [01:54:37] he has a very hard time seperatign obervations from judgements [01:54:47] Diogenez did you go to your Azizona chapter meeting yet, ready to unloaded a shit load of lead into your fellow arizona chaoter people like Darkdancer said you would? [01:54:48] lol [01:54:55] I would say "humankind" to avoid sexism. [01:54:56] :) [01:54:58] and thus evaluates stuff with his egoistical worldview [01:55:40] * Billll is packing heat [01:55:44] conflicts.* [01:55:56] ***Billll is packing heat <--- Oh Shiznit! [01:55:59] conflict the band [01:56:09] a hot turd? [01:56:10] yeah I actually carry a gun around me most of the time [01:56:15] in a holster [01:56:25] dry? or steamy wet [01:56:28] That's G. [01:56:40] ...i think we will need to talk somewhere else about this, because this channels is spamed with zm shit [01:56:45] has to be concealed though [01:56:46] *** Quits: Hakufu (asd@RBOSE-7e2be303.bredband.comhem.se) (Quit: i did ninja the quit.) [01:57:00] there is no has to [01:57:04] its a choice [01:57:16] the matter is the consquences and reactions we fear [01:58:40] do others find when peopel say stuff abotu others it has more to do with themselfs than others [01:59:03] lukas: ...i think we will need to talk somewhere else about this, because this channels is spamed with zm shit <--- Alrighty then. [01:59:16] I'm in 7 rooms now. [01:59:18] LoL [01:59:22] im just listening to the podcast its rubbish [01:59:39] Yeah, it was a full rant. [01:59:47] My head hurt from listening to it last night. [02:00:04] it was like a full rant* [02:01:23] I listen to the junk peter is as much a full on commy as Robert Downey Jr. is a full on retard [02:02:17] I doubt most people in this channel caught the joke unles you watched tropic thunder [02:02:18] >_> [02:03:40] to be honest it was to long, and to dumb that any message Peter was trying to stifle off got lost becayse of the rest of the shitte [02:04:11] I listen to the junk peter is as much a full on commy as Robert Downey Jr. is a full on retard <--- My favorite movie! [02:04:13] LoL [02:04:48] I wonder how many people actually listened to it live. [02:05:05] ineeded, but yeah the only thing that stood out for me is the guy supports communisnm, admits that a lot of TZM/TVP are parrel in communistic values [02:05:13] Doesn't the chat box show how many people are listening to it live or can it be determined by another way on BlogTalkRadio? [02:05:20] to the extent of agreeing that communism orginal intent was to be without money [02:05:35] i think most people are over it? [02:05:48] Billll: ineeded, but yeah the only thing that stood out for me is the guy supports communisnm, admits that a lot of TZM/TVP are parrel in communistic values <--- That weirded me out too. [02:05:55] one experience with the people he lets run the system is enough abuse to not want to come back [02:06:23] vangaurd [02:06:30] that word offends them [02:06:32] I found it funny how he was trying to explain about abuse would be prevented in the future when he acts like an dictator himself. [02:06:44] It's going to be a bumpy ride with TZM... [02:06:48] You can already tell. [02:07:15] I notice Peter tries to steer clear from anythnig negative [02:07:21] its the old rubber glue paradigme [02:07:29] he is very negative [02:07:34] and likes to dismiss it [02:07:39] and veil it [02:07:46] but he is a very poor communicator [02:07:49] *sends Doraemon cuddle energy to PJ* [02:08:09] so saying his his movement/venus project are not ran by communistic ideals, to say the movies are not the movement, to say we need to help society yet exlcludes people from TZM... [02:08:09] hes presumptions are so self assured [02:08:17] Well, I would say he's a very poor peer-mediator, not a communicator. [02:08:26] Still though, he has proven to be a joke. [02:08:38] you notice how latley they delete people from the forum who 'are not part of the movement or disagree' [02:08:47] based on their own judgement [02:08:48] Yup [02:08:57] a running joke [02:09:11] avoiding reaction' haha cencorship [02:09:14] And how moderator's have to power to determine what's disrespectful and what is respectful. [02:09:22] *** Joins: hellfire77 (qwebirc@5F1CD7.0633FD.297B03.FB6B60) [02:09:23] TZM is a joke man... [02:09:28] abritaryly [02:09:33] yup [02:09:36] when Peter Merola, the yes leader of the zeitgeist movement changes, and flip flops his emssages so mant times you can't get the story straight or accurate it creates a bit of confusion for his cult movement and to the outside world makes them look really really really bad [02:09:40] Brandon, there is also http://rbose.org/how.html [02:09:41] have the power* [02:09:41] URL Title: How? - RBOSE. Resource Based Open Source Environment (at rbose.org) [02:09:43] its full of follower types [02:09:54] if you are not that way you will be quickly given the boot [02:10:11] meglomaniacs and sheep [02:10:25] I didn't even read the whole WHY yet because of what stuck out to me, sorry for acting like an ass with Lukas, I didn't mean to come off that way. [02:10:26] its like science commy cult 101 [02:10:37] When I get home, I'll focused on both articles. [02:10:44] http://piratepad.net/RBOSE-Gathering-Osthammar [02:10:45] URL Title: PiratePad: RBOSE-Gathering-Osthammar (at piratepad.net) [02:10:52] I'm a bit distracted you can tell. [02:10:53] LoL [02:10:57] And BTW [02:11:13] Is the RBOSE Meeting tomorrow or Saturday? [02:11:19] Any updates? [02:11:39] how many lives has zeitgesit ruined is something i wonder [02:11:51] lol - TZM - A Guide to Social Revolution for Dummies [02:11:54] given faulse hope [02:11:58] Billll: when Peter Merola, the yes leader of the zeitgeist movement changes, and flip flops his emssages so mant times you can't get the story straight or accurate it creates a bit of confusion for his cult movement and to the outside world makes them look really really really bad <---Pretty much. [02:12:02] energy vampire [02:12:09] haha [02:12:10] maybe it is better counted in hours than people [02:12:11] neocortex: lol - TZM - A Guide to Social Revolution for Dummies <--- LMAO [02:12:16] :D [02:12:27] get your copy now [02:12:29] where is that one guy that peter personaly banned? [02:12:30] 30% off [02:12:32] did he come here? [02:12:39] That Mario guy? [02:12:40] N -- something [02:12:45] Nanos [02:12:48] yes [02:12:56] he comes often [02:12:59] cool [02:13:02] Nanos is up in ConspiracyScience.com/forums now. [02:13:10] he banned ED as well [02:13:10] I'm not sure about the Mario dude. [02:13:15] from the CS forums [02:13:17] i was wondering how long before he was reverse sting oped [02:13:19] But I'm sure he's coming back in the TZM Forums. [02:13:35] ConSpi is the new hangout now. [02:13:36] LoL [02:13:44] i remember bill getting targeted and matt and cody [02:14:03] its like a pattern setup they run to oust people [02:14:04] Yup, they target anyone that embarasses them. [02:14:12] emos [02:14:25] drunk on self rightiousness [02:14:26] Brandon, it's completely OK. It just took us over a month to make this docs, and we had no support from english native speakers so there is a chance that we just missed something. But we want to move over discussions of things like "humankind" instead of "mankind" to productive stuff (real technologies) to produce something and not talk much about it. This way we may release often and prototype a lot. [02:14:44] i am native english speaker [02:14:53] on the eubonics tip [02:15:31] 2 hours?! [02:15:32] Brandon, it's completely OK. It just took us over a month to make this docs, and we had no support from english native speakers so there is a chance that we just missed something <--- Ah, I should have been considerate of that variable then. My bad. [02:15:49] RBOSE is pretty international up in here. [02:15:51] :) [02:16:11] :) [02:16:14] :) [02:17:20] 'if everybody has the desire and intent to work together and share' he cant do it himself [02:17:31] yet he lambasts others for not being capable [02:17:41] hypocritical [02:18:12] VTV and his justification of his authority... [02:19:49] haha it's so true [02:20:00] he's caught in his own net of contradictions ... [02:20:07] and he doesn't know how to escape [02:21:46] he thrives on constroversy [02:22:09] like he gets off on fighting and arguement with cherry picked critisisms [02:22:29] and no debate opponent to actualy face [02:23:00] People asked for him to step down as a mod back in late of december last year and now he wants people to vote for him in the Boston Tea Party? [02:23:02] Man.... [02:23:02] division.... he devides by exclusion [02:23:11] He's going to do a lot of damage... [02:23:14] who ? [02:23:16] VTV ? [02:23:21] Yup [02:23:23] haha [02:23:28] he is a pollititian [02:23:36] vtv is an idiot [02:23:37] But you know... [02:23:41] >_> [02:23:43] TZM is not a political movement. [02:23:44] LoL [02:23:48] yup [02:23:50] that's not a ad hominum or whatever because it is a fact [02:24:03] he revuses to look at evedence and keeps ridged views about subjects [02:24:06] grits told me VTV dropped out of high school [02:24:12] this snubbing his own understanding [02:24:18] so he doesn't even have a H.S. credentials [02:24:19] 'intellectual biggot' [02:24:20] haha [02:24:35] ya know it alls do that [02:24:37] Yeah, that had me laughing too. [02:24:46] 'self appointed guardians of the status quo' [02:24:47] I love how he creates his own vocab. [02:24:53] It always amuses me. [02:25:07] peter says stuff that describes those who are in power and obey him very well [02:25:17] ya [02:25:43] i think he thinks about how to face his own created problems and then sends it out to imagianry people [02:26:05] not very specific or subjective [02:26:08] He even said that he has working scientists in TZM on that show last night. [02:26:16] I mean, it just gets funnier. [02:26:17] oh? [02:26:18] and he looks like Mestophales [02:26:25] Yeah, you'll catch it. [02:26:37] As someone questions him about the Science of the movement. [02:26:41] Or lack thereof. [02:26:55] he lives in a dream [02:27:03] and makes it a nightmare [02:27:09] so to speak [02:27:44] I bet he wees his bed [02:28:02] I bet Tanktop tucks him in. [02:28:03] Okay... [02:28:06] lol [02:28:07] That was an AD HOM. [02:28:09] LoL [02:28:14] ad hom. rocks [02:28:19] darkdancer and thunder are buttfuckers [02:28:23] he doesn't understand the power of the ad hom. [02:28:29] :o [02:28:31] :( [02:28:42] They think criticism is AD HOM. [02:28:47] did thunders mom die yet? [02:28:48] if i didn't state this already VTV is fat [02:28:50] and poor* [02:29:00] :( [02:29:05] with many kids [02:29:10] Diogenez: did thunders mom die yet? <--- Not sure. [02:29:10] they live off the state [02:29:11] :| [02:29:14] yeah [02:29:16] omg [02:29:16] he lives off her SS [02:29:17] please [02:29:26] wow [02:29:31] oh dear [02:29:42] oh well [02:30:01] I heard a rumor going on that Thunder still lives with his mom, is this true? [02:30:03] what i find funny is people cheating the system and how mad they get when the unemployment isn't extended [02:30:09] yes [02:30:29] Peter makes such prophicies [02:30:30] Wow... [02:30:36] we are likely to... [02:30:40] Yeah [02:30:41] lol [02:30:43] On the show [02:30:44] reinforced by historical patterns... [02:30:55] granted we have a law.. [02:30:59] Someone posed a question and gave a doomsday prophecy [02:31:03] And Peter got mad [02:31:04] and said [02:31:09] i dont want to belabor all of tha tbut i am sure you understand.... [02:31:13] that no one should make prophecy [02:31:17] More hypocrisy [02:31:21] hahaha [02:31:22] haha [02:31:35] sickening [02:31:36] I'll stop talking and let you listen. [02:31:42] a tradgedy [02:31:44] He says a lot of contradicting things [02:31:46] its ok [02:31:51] i know [02:31:55] and when he LOLs [02:32:03] when he knows he is so full of himself [02:32:48] Indeed. [02:33:43] funny thing is...is still really admire him [02:33:47] I don't know why [02:33:55] ah [02:33:59] I can understand that [02:34:03] really? [02:34:24] because he is like a self trained monkey [02:34:25] people would admire VTV for being so fat yet being so poor, living the tubby comforts of life [02:34:28] trying so hard but failing [02:34:39] its salt fat and sugar [02:34:40] *** Quits: Lundbubrgerr-TZM (Lundburgerr-T@E45CB0.1DE116.64A997.3030C8) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [02:34:49] 'other have a interst' [02:34:58]