[00:00:37] <Grits> http://www.baileysonline.com/itemdetail.asp?item=01010+SM&catID=
[00:00:39] <rBOTse> URL Title: Bailey's - Weaver 4-Dee Thick Cotton Saddle (at www.baileysonline.com)
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[00:10:07] <Grits> http://www.baileysonline.com/itemdetail.asp?item=46777&utm_source=base&utm_medium=cse
[00:10:08] <rBOTse> URL Title: Bailey's - Granberg MK-III Alaskan Chainsaw Mill with 30" Rails (at www.baileysonline.com)
[00:14:44] <Kebap> !m
[00:14:44] <infobot> Online @ RBOSE's Mumble: (For Mumble help, type: ?? mumble)
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[00:14:48] <infobot> In Civilek Éjszakája: sunca Templar.
[00:20:42] <Grits> https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1paZS80rhotFchLu05Cs05TnUYoTmI1pfNfw8fK8IOME&hl=de&pli=1#
[00:20:44] <rBOTse> URL Title: Google Text & Tabellen (at docs.google.com)
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[03:47:36] <Caly-Lap> http://www.joindiaspora.com/
[03:47:37] <rBOTse> URL Title: join diaspora - blog (at www.joindiaspora.com)
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[06:00:56] <Billlll> http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=231&id=266657&limit=10&limitstart=20#272233 <-- HAHAHA
[06:00:59] <infobot> Billlll's URL: http://xrl.us/bhqsnv
[06:00:59] <rBOTse> URL Title: Observation about TZM's haters and trolls - The Zeitgeist Movement (at www.thezeitgeistmovement.com)
[06:02:31] <BranManFloMore> I bet the GLOBAL MODs share that account now.
[06:02:32] <BranManFloMore> But yeah.
[06:02:36] <BranManFloMore> That was funny to read.
[06:02:37] <BranManFloMore> Lol
[06:02:47] <BranManFloMizzle> Yeah, TZM is a joke.
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[07:19:27] <GhettoTux> ,t de en guten morgen
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[07:19:28] <rBOTse> GhettoTux: good morning
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[08:10:17] <GhettoTux> http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/fd9168d1-0fee-4ff3-8510-6f6de8bddbaf.jpg
[08:10:20] <GhettoTux> that is scary
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[08:57:12] <GhettoTux> !hug all
[08:57:14] * RBOSE expands his arms and hugs the whole #RBOSE. :D 
[08:57:16] <GhettoTux> I'm lonely!
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[09:00:26] * dude hugs GhettoTux 
[09:04:23] <GhettoTux> yaaay!
[09:04:26] <GhettoTux> !hug dude 
[09:04:27] * RBOSE hugs dude for GhettoTux and hopes that dude enjoys it. :) 
[09:04:30] <GhettoTux> How are you doing friend?
[09:04:49] <dude> Doing well!
[09:04:54] <dude> You?
[09:07:01] <GhettoTux> I'm at work
[09:07:21] <GhettoTux> I finally got a customer who has tried to fix the issues herself
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[09:07:32] <GhettoTux> Hey Nanos 
[09:08:01] <GhettoTux> she failed though, but still
[09:08:03] <GhettoTux> she tried :)
[09:08:25] <Nanos> Hello there!
[09:08:59] <dude> GhettoTux: oh lord! the end of IT Support. Oh wait, now we need to tell people not to solve stuff..
[09:09:27] <GhettoTux> :P
[09:14:42] <GhettoTux> yay i managed to fix it!
[09:14:44] <GhettoTux> atleast half
[09:14:51] <GhettoTux> i managed to uninstall the problematic application :P
[09:14:56] <GhettoTux> Now to install it and make it work
[09:15:02] <GhettoTux> Sometimes i feel like a wizard
[09:15:13] * Nanos wonders what broke..
[09:15:28] <GhettoTux> Mobile Broadband application :)
[09:15:40] <GhettoTux> or client
[09:16:06] <GhettoTux> she had 5 different versions of it installed
[09:16:16] <GhettoTux>  which messed up all the drivers
[09:16:33] <GhettoTux> and in her attempt to solve it herself she had screwd up the registry
[09:16:54] <GhettoTux> jumping back and forth between windows backups etc can make a huge mess :)
[09:18:36] <Nanos> Sounds nightmare :-)
[09:18:55] <Nanos> Yes, I'd never found windows backups to work very well myself..
[09:21:34] <Nanos> Talking of which, which version of windows 7 trial would anyone recommend I install, as I don't know the difference between the home/previum/server/etc. versions, as I want the all singing all dancing one to play with.
[09:22:35] <GhettoTux> Hmm
[09:22:46] <GhettoTux> I would probobly to err... enterprise or whatever it's called
[09:23:17] <GhettoTux> Enterprise
[09:29:52] <Nanos> I thought I would install it via microsofts virtual PC, so as not to break my current working PC :-)
[09:30:31] <Nanos> Ah, apparently the answer elsewhere is Ultimate... not heard of that one myself.
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[09:55:40] <GhettoTux> Nanos: ultimate = enterprise i think
[09:55:52] <GhettoTux> anyway, why not sign up at some uni and get a fre copy?
[09:55:55] <GhettoTux> free*
[09:56:21] <Nanos> As it would cost me far more to sign up at a university :-)
[09:56:34] <Nanos> I'm only after a trial version anyhow, so I can learn about it, I'll just reinstlal it when it runs out.
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[09:57:02] <Nanos> Ah, that explains the naming then, I googled ultimate trial ISO and coudn't find it!
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[10:26:42] <neocortex> Hi Grits
[10:27:11] <neocortex> :|
[10:27:23] <neocortex> hi Geist
[10:27:31] <Geist> hi !
[10:27:37] <neocortex> :D
[10:28:43] <neocortex> do you like philosophy Geist?
[10:29:21] <Geist> yes i think life is philosophie
[10:29:27] <neocortex> me too
[10:29:29] <neocortex> cool
[10:29:31] <Geist> (my english is very bad)
[10:29:41] <neocortex> really!
[10:29:45] <neocortex> I don't think so
[10:30:10] <neocortex> your nick is so awesome
[10:30:16] <Geist> u don t believe me
[10:30:24] <neocortex> ha
[10:30:26] <neocortex> lol
[10:30:31] <neocortex> I do
[10:31:29] <Geist> i don't think so u sayed so i thinked...
[10:31:31] <Geist> lol
[10:31:36] <neocortex> haha
[10:31:45] <neocortex> funny boy
[10:31:57] <neocortex> or girl
[10:32:02] <neocortex> man\woman
[10:32:07] <Geist> where is the fr server u know ?
[10:32:14] <neocortex> what's that?
[10:32:19] <neocortex> lol
[10:32:21] <neocortex> silly
[10:32:23] <Geist> french !
[10:32:25] <Geist> lol
[10:32:43] <neocortex> my surname is "le serve"
[10:33:09] <Geist> le cerveau yeah lol
[10:33:21] <neocortex> :|
[10:33:35] <Geist> so i remake my question im searching for a french server
[10:33:44] <neocortex> hmm
[10:34:02] <neocortex> i don't know of any
[10:34:18] <Geist> or a way to join the teamspeak chat with mirc
[10:35:47] <Geist> this is not philosophie
[10:35:49] <Geist> x d
[10:36:06] <neocortex> I don't know team speak
[10:36:12] <neocortex> tried it once
[10:36:18] <neocortex> but couldn't work it out
[10:37:09] <Geist> what is this server ? please
[10:37:20] <neocortex> rbose.org
[10:37:43] <neocortex> port 6670
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[10:38:17] <DJ_V1ruS> yeah
[10:38:37] <neocortex> lol
[10:38:44] <DJ_V1ruS> thanx for the 6670
[10:38:54] <neocortex> you're welcome
[10:41:57] <DJ_V1ruS> ok im going to eat
[10:42:02] <neocortex> me too
[10:42:04] <neocortex> yum
[10:42:06] <DJ_V1ruS> see ya : )
[10:42:11] <neocortex> bye DJ
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[10:44:49] <neocortex> !m
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[13:22:23] <kman> Herro guys
[13:22:41] <GhettoTux> herro!
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[15:28:02] <Diogenez> hiedi hoe
[15:28:49] <Diogenez> anybody here familiar with the hanged man project?
[15:29:36] <Diogenez> the person involved said::  
[15:29:37] <Diogenez> I am not too familiar with the direction and principle foundation of the Zeitgeist movement, however I am aware that it is attempting to revolutionize the current move of civilization on all physical levels. I believe that this is important, however I am not sure if there is any mention of consciousness, or at least a mention of the importance of consciousness within the principles of the movement. Because of this, I feel I would be doing a great
[15:29:54] <Diogenez> if I were to give my opinion on his movement without me fully understanding it. I applaud any and all people who dedicate themselves to helping humanity and the prosperity of all life, however my work rests solely on the foundation that physical revolution and physical changes are always futile without focusing PRIMARILY on consciousness. Because otherwise, the people who uphold a society will still be just as enslaved on a conscious level, and w
[15:30:02] <jamesmcm> Diogenez: it looks like some loony New Age stuff :/
[15:30:21] <Diogenez> won't feel such an urgency to change. This is why I stress conscious liberation FIRST... THEN physical. Not the other way around.
[15:30:24] <Diogenez> i said....
[15:30:52] <Diogenez> once/if he better understands the people who 'run' the ZM i suspect he will be just as disappointed with their lack of this consciousness he speaks of(a microcosmic reflection of the greater problem patterns in society, hypocrisy along duality, leading to stalwart vanguards whom resort to typical defensive measures). better off not even going there... great piece though
[15:31:02] <Diogenez> have you read his july 4th conmunique ?
[15:31:16] <Diogenez> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOrSE2Y6fZA
[15:31:17] <rBOTse> 	You4Tube	 2[Title] Hanged Man Project - 4th of July Address 2[Category] Nonprofit 2[Duration] 0:10:02 2[Views] 941 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2010-07-04 2[Description] The Hanged Man Project is a dedicated movement for liberation from all forms of bondage and slavery.  This project is meant to assist any existing cause, movement, or revolution dedicated to the liberation and evolution of all life.  It is not meant to compete or to riv
[15:31:34] <Diogenez> i mean i liked Kymatica when it came out
[15:31:40] <Diogenez> it does call into question allot of stuff
[15:31:43] <Diogenez> and that is important 
[15:32:16] <Diogenez> it helps people realize we really don't have that full of a understanding.  sure it missuess some Super words but a redefinition can't hurt
[15:33:00] * Diogenez a microcosmic reflection of the greater problem patterns in society, hypocrisy along duality, leading to stalwart vanguards whom resort to typical defensive measures
[15:33:26] <Diogenez> hehe does that makes sense for you , because when i wrote / write it is is the   critique based on my experience i come up with
[15:33:53] <Diogenez> Peter can call us sick all he wants, his statements stink of projection
[15:34:41] <Diogenez> as i see it the more he repeats himself with no real substance of action behind his words the less people are apt to listen to him 
[15:35:39] <Diogenez> CHomsky said he best and it really burned him
[15:35:52] <Diogenez> he still reels to this day
[15:38:28] <Diogenez> based on past so long as a centralized approach is relied upon failure seems inevitable 
[15:38:55] <Diogenez> http://www.vbs.tv/watch/toxic/toxic-gulf-full-length
[15:38:57] <rBOTse> URL Title: TOXIC: Gulf Full Length - Toxic | VBS.TV (at www.vbs.tv)
[15:39:24] <Diogenez> This is a good little documentary explaining the Louisiana marsh, and the bp oil gusher. It does contain salty language but, I can cut them some slack. If Bayou Lee made a documentary about the bp gusher it would put Scarface the movie to shame on cursing. LOL Boycott Bp...for america's wetland BP brands to boycott include Castrol, Arco, Aral, am/pm, Amoco, Wild Bean Cafe .Deutsche gegen ARAL Vereinigten
[15:53:59] <Diogenez> http://garyrumor.com/?p=648
[15:54:00] <rBOTse> URL Title: Gary Rumors Anti-Entropic Continuum » Blog Archive » Media = Cops Prison Industrial Complex (at garyrumor.com)
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[16:36:59] <DNS> whatz up guys
[16:37:01] <DNS> :D
[16:37:02] <DNS> ;D
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[16:47:34] <DNS> !register all
[16:47:35] <infobot> IRC Register Help: (DNS wants you all to register your nicks)
[16:47:37] <infobot> /reg Password_here Email_here (To register your nick)
[16:47:39] <infobot> /msg nickserv register Password_here Email_here (If the /reg command dont works)
[16:47:41] <infobot> /id Password_here (To identify your nick)
[16:47:43] <infobot> /msg nickserv identify Password_here (If the /id command dont works)
[16:47:45] <infobot> #RBOSE, if you need more help, type: !help
[16:48:08] <DNS> to register a new nick, (if you already have one) use: /msg nickserv group
[16:48:18] <DNS> type: /msg nickserv help group
[17:17:49] <Billll> http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=268&id=272044#272248 <-- LOL
[17:17:52] <rBOTse> URL Title: IRC appears to be offline - The Zeitgeist Movement (at www.thezeitgeistmovement.com)
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[17:38:46] <nairboon> http://www.interpol.int/ down? xD - 503 
[17:39:26] <neocortex> ha
[17:39:57] <nairboon> poor rbotse, trying to get that site :P
[17:41:14] <neocortex> haha
[17:41:27] <nairboon> i want a .int domain!!
[17:41:32] <nairboon> rbose.int :)
[17:41:35] <neocortex> lol
[17:41:43] <neocortex> what does it stand for?
[17:41:44] <nairboon> "The .INT domain is operated by IANA, and available for registration exclusively by intergovernmental organisations. In brief, the .int domain is used for registering organisations established by international treaties between or among national governments"
[17:42:00] <nairboon> shall we apply? xD
[17:42:13] <neocortex> :D
[17:42:54] <neocortex> IANA -> International Anarchy
[17:43:19] <nairboon> :P
[17:43:24] <neocortex> ha
[17:43:35] <neocortex> I need coco pops
[17:44:10] <nairboon> anarchy  organization - a contradiction?
[17:44:28] <neocortex> not if it's self-organizing
[17:45:46] <nairboon> c'mon rbotse!!
[17:45:53] <neocortex> lol
[17:46:04] <DNS> ,smack nairboon
[17:46:04] * rBOTse smacks nairboon with dress
[17:46:06] <DNS> :D
[17:46:08] <DNS> hi
[17:46:11] <GhettoTux> :D
[17:46:12] <neocortex> haha
[17:46:12] <GhettoTux> hi
[17:46:14] <nairboon> ,praise DNS
[17:46:14] * rBOTse DNS? who's that? Must be a King. Why? He doesn't have shit all over him.
[17:46:19] <nairboon> lol
[17:46:23] <DNS> 0_o
[17:46:23] <neocortex> :D
[17:46:35] <GhettoTux> lawl
[17:46:42] <neocortex> lol
[17:51:20] <neocortex> !hug GhettoTux
[17:51:29] <Kebap> !morning al
[17:51:38] <neocortex> morning
[17:51:41] * RBOSE hugs GhettoTux for neocortex and hopes that GhettoTux enjoys it. :) 
[17:51:42] <infobot> 
ACTION would like to say Good Morning to al, but infobot dont knows where al is, and can only speak to Kebap or someone who is online in #RBOSE.
[17:53:08] <neocortex> Melbourne: 1:52 AM
[17:53:27] <Kebap> Germany: 17:53
[17:53:52] <neocortex> yay! dinner time
[17:53:58] <Kebap> sunny and warm
[17:54:20] <neocortex> !weather Berlin
[17:54:37] <neocortex> ,weather Berlin
[17:54:38] <rBOTse> neocortex: Weather for Berlin, Berlin on 2010-07-05 @ 15:20UTC: Current:  26℃  Clear,  Wind: NW at 6 mph; Humidity: 47%; Mon: Mostly Sunny ( 30℃ | 13℃ ); Tue: Rain ( 20℃ | 11℃ ); Wed: Clear ( 21℃ | 10℃ ) 
[17:54:55] <neocortex> nice
[17:55:17] <Kebap> especially compared to the 36°C last week yeah xD
[17:55:28] <neocortex> :o
[17:55:32] <neocortex> my god!
[17:55:42] <neocortex> is that unusual for Germany?
[17:55:56] <Kebap> kinda
[17:56:07] <neocortex> dear lord
[17:56:10] <neocortex> hey
[17:56:12] <neocortex> Kebap...what's the name of the funny looking little hat piece that jews wear?
[17:56:19] <DNS> well so far its not rainin oil its all fine
[17:56:21] <Kebap> hat
[17:56:25] <neocortex> thanks
[17:56:29] * DNS can be a bit sarcastic
[17:56:32] <DNS> ;D
[17:56:39] <neocortex> ha
[17:56:41] <neocortex> haha
[17:56:43] <neocortex> HAHAHAHA
[17:56:47] <neocortex> :|
[17:57:00] <nairboon> ,w zürich
[17:57:01] <rBOTse> nairboon: Error: Google must be dumb because it is unable to find location zürich
[17:57:14] <nairboon> ,smack Google
[17:57:14] * rBOTse smacks Google with a alert
[17:57:19] <DNS> ,weather zürich
[17:57:20] <rBOTse> DNS: Weather for Zurich, Zurich on 2010-07-05 @ 15:20UTC: Current:  27℃  Partly Cloudy,  Wind: W at 12 mph; Humidity: 42%; Mon: Chance of Rain ( 25℃ | 11℃ ); Tue: Chance of Rain ( 21℃ | 12℃ ); Wed: Clear ( 23℃ | 6℃ ) 
[17:57:38] <nairboon> haha, warmer xD
[17:59:46] <neocortex> !w funny little hat jews wear
[17:59:48] <infobot> Borat Sagdiyev | Borat Sagdiyev (Kazakh/Russian: ????? ???????) (Titular faux Cyrillic name: "?????" Transliterated: "Voyadt") (born February 17, 1972) is a fictional character from Kazakhstan and the main protagonist of the film Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan, created and portrayed by Sacha Baron Cohen. Borat's humour derives from his mocking of
[17:59:49] <infobot> society through outrageous sociocultural viewpoints, his violation of social taboos and his use of vulgar language and behaviour. Entertainment Weekly put it on its end-of-the-decade, "best-of" list, saying, "Sacha Baron Cohen's fake Kazakhstani journalist gave us some of the most incisive cultural commentary ever filmed. That, and @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borat_Sagdiyev
[18:00:29] <neocortex> !w jewish skullcap
[18:00:31] <infobot> Jewish hat | The Jewish hat also known as the Jewish cap, Judenhut (German) or Latin pilleus cornutus ("horned skullcap"), was a cone-shaped pointed hat, often white or yellow, worn by Jews in Medieval Europe and some of the Islamic world. Initially worn by choice, its wearing was enforced in some places in Europe after 1215 for adult male Jews to wear while outside a ghetto in order to distinguish
[18:00:32] <infobot> Jews from others. Like the phrygian cap it often resembles, the hat may have originated in pre-Islamic Persia?a similar hat was worn by Babylonian Jews. @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_hat
[18:00:49] <neocortex> lol - the 'Jewish hat'
[18:01:04] <neocortex> 'Judenhut'
[18:02:48] <neocortex> J?????u?????_???d??_?_e????????n?????h????????u?????t??
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[18:06:27] <neocortex> .????????.?????_?.?????????????_?o??^°?´?~`?????n???¸?????_?e??????????? ?´?????d?????´°??????????o??????????_???e?°?????????s?????? ~??¨??¸??_???n?????´??_???o?????????_????t?????????? ??~~???????????s??¨??????i??????m?^¯???????p?¸???l????????????y?????_?????? ??´?^???????????w??????????????a????¯?????_?????l???????????t???????z???¯??????? ????????_???i¨????????n??????????????t??`?¨????????_???o??????_?? ?^??????????M????????????????o??_r??
[18:06:28] <neocortex> ¯??????o?????????_r???????? ?????????_w??????????_?i??¯??????t??????????h?"????¨´????????o??????°?????u?`?????????t?????????? ??????????a¯??°????????? ??????????????s??????????????k??^??????????u¯¯?????l????~???_?_????l???¨???????c??????????a?^`????p¯?°???????????? ?????????????????
[18:06:39] <neocortex> :D
[18:06:55] <neocortex> :"??????????D???????_?????
[18:07:03] <neocortex> :??´?¨?????????????????????D??¯???????????????????????????
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[18:10:32] <neocortex> did I say something wrong
[18:11:42] <kalken> !kick neocortex 
[18:11:43] <infobot> 
ACTION *ACCESS DENIED* (But maybe it works, if you try this trigger 4 times in a row.)
[18:11:48] <neocortex> :D
[18:12:08] <kalken> ;)
[18:12:12] <neocortex> lol
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[18:25:51] <neocortex> hi Nanos
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[18:28:37] <neocortex> hi Atomraider
[18:29:18] <Atomraider> hello everybody
[18:29:28] <neocortex> :)
[18:29:54] <neocortex> Atomraider, what's the password?
[18:30:34] <Atomraider> mm let me see.... I gues i dont know :)
[18:30:40] <neocortex> :)
[18:30:43] <neocortex> me neither
[18:30:52] <neocortex> only DNS knows
[18:30:55] <Atomraider> is this a secret society?:D
[18:30:58] <neocortex> yes
[18:31:12] <Atomraider> password required :D
[18:31:12] <neocortex> we had a ritual sacrafice last week
[18:31:24] <neocortex> no password required
[18:31:51] <neocortex> but repeat after me...
[18:32:13] <neocortex> The Zeitgeist Movement is a conservative movement
[18:32:35] <neocortex> just...kidding
[18:32:50] <neocortex> what are you into?
[18:32:53] <Atomraider> no problem:)
[18:32:54] <neocortex> programming?
[18:33:09] <Atomraider> something like that
[18:33:12] <neocortex> neat
[18:33:19] <neocortex> so is mostly everyone here
[18:33:50] <Atomraider> Julius brought me here
[18:33:57] <neocortex> cool
[18:34:06] <neocortex> Julius is one of the high priests
[18:34:15] <Atomraider> :D
[18:34:18] <neocortex> :D
[18:34:41] <Atomraider> oups i think i am the sacrifice....
[18:34:49] <neocortex> yes you are
[18:34:56] <neocortex> how did you know
[18:35:09] <neocortex> *motions Atomraider to the alter*
[18:35:29] <Atomraider> just intuition and is saw some marks on me:D
[18:35:36] <neocortex> lol
[18:36:09] <Nanos> Hiya all
[18:36:16] <Atomraider> hi
[18:36:20] <neocortex> hey Nanos
[18:36:37] <neocortex> what's happening?
[18:36:53] <Nanos> Tired, was cutting the hedge earlier, not been done for a while..
[18:37:05] <Nanos> Sitting down for a bit of gentle programming to relax away the evening with..
[18:37:12] <Nanos> Done all my todo choors.
[18:37:27] <neocortex> programming! ... the killer app?
[18:37:48] <Nanos> Today cancelled a few things, like some forum subscriptions, TV license/etc. save a few peanuts.
[18:37:50] <Nanos> Yep :-)
[18:37:59] <neocortex> awesome
[18:38:17] <Nanos> Hopefully in a couple of months, might be able to balance the books.
[18:38:25] <neocortex> lol
[18:38:33] <Atomraider> so guys what are you doing actually here, and in the rbose?
[18:38:38] <Nanos> Also drawing up plans to build a trailer to go with my solar vehicle to extend its range and save on bus fair costs for my girlfriend.
[18:39:00] <Atomraider> i mean in a long run
[18:39:19] <Nanos> Me, I'm building a solar vehicle, and several applications in silverlight, from a chat system, to a forum system, to a MMORPG and a few other bits, early days though on all counts.
[18:39:27] <kalken> !r projects
[18:39:29] <infobot> Projects - RBOSE |  Design. Research: Collaborative Environment. Proposal 1. Proposal 2. Project management software | PMS structure 1 | OS Project Management System suggestions. Decision making algoritm. @ http://rbose.org/wiki/Projects
[18:39:40] <Nanos> Long run I'm looking to build physical communities, start up businesses, employ tons of people, profit share, create tomorrow..
[18:40:06] <Nanos> So I'm keen to work with anyone that has overlap in what I'm working on.
[18:40:52] <Atomraider> nice plans
[18:41:16] <neocortex> what about you Atomraider?
[18:41:39] <neocortex> how do you see your contibution to the future?
[18:42:04] <Atomraider> as you can see im just questioning around here:)
[18:42:11] <neocortex> cool
[18:43:28] <Atomraider> im planing electronic thing like mice and programing little experiments like gravitational simulators and so on
[18:43:37] <neocortex> :o
[18:43:42] <neocortex> :D
[18:43:45] <Nanos> Mice as in tracker ball upside down mice ?
[18:43:49] <Atomraider> im not an expert:D
[18:44:04] <Nanos> Most experts start off not being one :-)
[18:44:09] <Atomraider> just in the first stage
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[18:44:50] <Atomraider> this mouse would be 3D so you can use it in the air
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[18:45:06] <Atomraider> similar to the latest mouse techologies
[18:45:18] <neocortex> Logitec MX-Air
[18:45:19] <Atomraider> but its a cheaper solution
[18:45:24] <Atomraider> yes that one
[18:45:28] <neocortex> I have that one
[18:45:30] <neocortex> it's cool
[18:45:45] <Atomraider> yea i like it too
[18:45:55] <neocortex> awesome
[18:46:21] <Atomraider> my version would be only a few inch long only
[18:47:02] <Atomraider> and you dont have to hold it in your hand because it is tightened to your finger
[18:47:16] <neocortex> cool
[18:47:21] <Atomraider> it is my current project in the university
[18:47:41] <neocortex> which university?
[18:48:06] <Atomraider> University of Pecs
[18:48:15] <Atomraider> it is in Hungary
[18:48:36] <neocortex> sounds like a cool project
[18:48:46] <Atomraider> thx:)
[18:49:06] <Nanos> air mice are likely to see one develop gorilla arm, like from the days of lightpens
[18:49:19] <Nanos> I might suggest a mind control mouse/keyboard myself..
[18:49:24] <neocortex> lol
[18:49:33] <Nanos> I've seen a finger mouse like that before I think.
[18:49:54] <Nanos> Or perhaps a foot mouse..
[18:50:06] <Nanos> Feet being very underused for input purposes..
[18:50:12] <Atomraider> :D
[18:50:33] <Atomraider> its a little bit difficult i think
[18:51:08] <Nanos> one foot for up and down, one for left and right, twist to click maybe
[18:51:26] <Atomraider> you can easily broke it with your leg or crush it
[18:51:35] <Nanos> Not if its made of old fashioned steel :-)
[18:51:53] <Atomraider> it has to be very strong and that is expensive and many times ugly becouse of the dirt on it
[18:51:53] <Nanos> If you look at the electric/electronic pedals they use on sewing machines, they are pretty tough.
[18:52:13] <Nanos> Washable velco carpet pads perhaps.
[18:52:24] <Nanos> Most users don't mind expense as long as it works well I reckon.
[18:52:51] <Atomraider> not in my country:D
[18:53:12] <Nanos> Not everything can be made out of a $1 piece of plastic and be expected not to break :-)
[18:53:18] <Atomraider> but in western europe yes
[18:53:22] <Nanos> One of the mayor issues I see with many products, too easily breakable.
[18:53:43] <Atomraider> yes they are
[18:54:26] <Atomraider> made in china from plastic for one cent....
[18:54:42] <neocortex> lol
[18:55:01] <Nanos> I'm a fan of wood and metal myself.
[18:55:15] <Nanos> Nothing worse than plastic going all brittle after 10 years and falling apart..
[18:56:12] <Atomraider> not just that they are dissolving even from sunlight
[18:57:01] <neocortex> I like gold
[18:57:15] <Atomraider> i like titanium:D
[18:57:22] <Nanos> Me2, but it is rather expensive that stuff :-)
[18:57:29] <Nanos> Dinner to make here.. afk
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[18:57:40] <neocortex> titanium is awesome
[18:57:55] <Atomraider> and two times more expensive than gold
[18:57:58] <Atomraider> :(
[18:58:01] <neocortex> lol
[18:58:13] <neocortex> have you seen the black titanium watches by Rado
[18:58:21] <neocortex> they look so cool
[18:58:22] <Atomraider> nope
[18:58:53] <neocortex> http://www.watchesglobal.com/misc_images/rado.jpg
[18:59:12] <Atomraider> so guys are you ex-zeitgeisters or something?
[18:59:17] <neocortex> yes
[18:59:29] <Atomraider> i see
[18:59:34] <Atomraider> and what happened?
[18:59:49] <neocortex> banned, boycotted, exiled, retrenched, conscientious objectors...
[18:59:52] <neocortex> one-and-all
[19:00:13] <Atomraider> oh
[19:00:14] <neocortex> PJ dones't like it when people disagree with him
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[19:00:22] <Atomraider> sorry to hear that
[19:00:32] <neocortex> why
[19:00:38] <neocortex> oh...being banned
[19:00:42] <Atomraider> yes
[19:00:45] <neocortex> yeh...it was a shock
[19:01:02] <kalken> Atomraider: some believe in that real change comes from actions and doing things, not from opinions on how it "should be" :)
[19:01:34] <Atomraider> i understand, but it is good for advertising
[19:01:39] <kalken> but if there is a separation between RBOSE and TZM its made by individuals, in their own heads :)
[19:01:49] <neocortex> :D
[19:02:00] <kalken> what i'm trying to say is that group-thinking in that way is always made up in our heads :)
[19:02:09] <neocortex> awesome kalken
[19:02:54] <neocortex> http://www.timebooth.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/pic.php%20rado.jpg
[19:03:26] <Atomraider> nice watch
[19:03:35] <neocortex> :D
[19:03:39] <neocortex> I have that one
[19:03:39] <Atomraider> but its a single function device:D
[19:03:47] <neocortex> it has an alarm
[19:03:59] <neocortex> it's not about function
[19:04:04] <neocortex> it's about looking cool
[19:04:09] <kalken> Atomraider: all projects in RBOSE is currently taking an open approach, where everybody is allowed to learn and contribute. Many of us believe that this is the way to go, when developing software/hardware/methods etc
[19:04:13] <Atomraider> its about titanium:D
[19:04:18] <neocortex> :D
[19:04:32] <neocortex> have to go back to bed
[19:04:34] <neocortex> nite
[19:04:35] <neocortex> x
[19:04:37] <neocortex> *out*
[19:04:55] <Atomraider> i see kalken
[19:05:04] <Atomraider> i also agreed
[19:05:20] <kalken> great :)
[19:06:38] <kalken> lots of problems we face right now is to get the systems in place, that allows that kind of information flow, openness, transparency etc
[19:07:19] <kalken> for me its something like taking the thought behind open source software, and apply it to other things in society
[19:07:38] <Atomraider> actually i dont care about group seperation, i care about cooperative work and peaceful conscturtive actions
[19:07:43] <kalken> houses/cars/methods of growing etc :)
[19:08:10] <kalken> Atomraider: exactly. Thats what should be important
[19:08:49] <kalken> and i feel its easier when one face a problem, to try to figure out possible solutions or approaches, and then discuss about that
[19:09:12] <kalken> it kills most opinionbased (egobased) discussions on who "thinks" right etc
[19:09:39] <Atomraider> yes of course
[19:11:30] <Atomraider> you know its just a little bit sad to see even Zeitgeist type of movements are divided
[19:11:47] <kalken> there is a little section on rbose.org that covers the aspects "why,how,what"
[19:12:17] <Atomraider> its like the chatholic church and its thousands of sub churches
[19:12:54] <kalken> Atomraider: i agree :)
[19:13:56] <kalken> Atomraider: imo its a very good purpose, but i cant see that we will reach the point where the whole world has been convinced that RBE is the best thing, without actual proof and methods pointing to that it works in reality
[19:13:58] <Atomraider> how could a human kind reunite when a few hunder people cant just peacfuly share their ideas?
[19:14:43] <kalken> thats just it. One have to build structures where people are allowed to disagree and that its encouraged in some creative way
[19:14:54] <kalken> almost all creativeness comes from not agreeing
[19:15:07] <Atomraider> on RBE that coud be true kalken
[19:16:34] <kalken> i think distributed models with networks of trust could end up in something that transitions into an RBE environment
[19:17:31] <Atomraider> its like in evolutoin an ancient fish could not evolve into human directly
[19:17:44] <kalken> exactly
[19:18:01] <Atomraider> there are steps what has to be taken
[19:18:36] <kalken> in nature everything is built upon systems that works in small environment, and then allows to be scaled
[19:19:16] <kalken> but most people who are not technicians seem to think that the way is to decide a path, have everybody agree on the goal, and then work it out
[19:19:59] <kalken> and they may be right. I dont know. But i do know that a lot of systems that are based on that thought have failed in the past
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[19:20:09] <Atomraider> i think we are on track starting from OS linux systems and torrent sites to free game mods and so on
[19:20:25] <kalken> yes, its happening all over right now
[19:20:34] <Atomraider> more things like these will come in time
[19:20:43] <kalken> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7AWnfFRc7g
[19:20:46] <rBOTse> 	You4Tube	 2[Title] RSA Animate - The Empathic Civilisation 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 0:10:40 2[Views] 298813 2[Rating] 4.95 2[Uploaded] 2010-05-06 2[Description] Bestselling author, political adviser and social and ethical prophet Jeremy Rifkin investigates the evolution of empathy and the profound ways that it has shaped our development and our society.
[19:20:57] <kalken> Atomraider: thats a great video on that subject
[19:21:19] <kalken> i think that an important step is to get people to feel emathy with others that they dont actually know
[19:21:50] <Atomraider> i know this one:)
[19:22:06] <kalken> Atomraider: sharing is caring. If our society does not allow that, there is something seriously wrong with the structure :)
[19:22:18] <Atomraider> and yes its a very good one
[19:23:44] <Atomraider> one of our friend just translated it into hungarian
[19:23:45] <kalken> Atomraider: lots of things in TZM is currently built on prop software, and for a developer thats about as nice as being a car technician, buying a car that has a big lock on the engine
[19:25:03] <kalken> and when people tried to tell the authorities this, they got basically humiliated by people who knew little about technical stuff. So some of them started developing here instead
[19:25:21] <Atomraider> yes Julius told me about the locked systems on the main site
[19:25:28] <kalken> yep
[19:25:37] <Atomraider> and they dont want to change it to open source
[19:25:58] <kalken> and people interested in building a education platform etc, could not work with ts3 etc
[19:26:42] <Atomraider> we the hungarian community have a new guy how is a TS3 fan
[19:26:52] <Atomraider> and saying mumble is a trash etc
[19:26:54] <kalken> Atomraider: i dont know what its really about, but some seems frighened about loosing controle
[19:27:24] <Atomraider> i think its about tradition
[19:27:37] <kalken> thing is that mumble is exactly as good as people make it
[19:27:45] <Atomraider> they are using it for years now and they cant leave it anymore
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[19:27:54] <kalken> ts3 is exactly as good as the company who sells it allows it to be :)
[19:28:48] <Atomraider> but ts3 is just a tool nothing more
[19:29:02] <Atomraider> it has its purpose like the mumble
[19:29:04] <kalken> but thats just the top of the ice berg :)
[19:29:38] <kalken> admins who behave as authority and not as helpers was the thing that made me think about other structures
[19:31:24] <Atomraider> the best solution i think would be a new server witch alow to connect ts3 with mumble and with other softwares so everyone could use whatever he likes
[19:31:41] <kalken> indeed
[19:31:47] <Atomraider> so we could not have arguments like ts3 vs mumble
[19:32:34] <Sixth_Ape> what about the source code
[19:32:53] <Atomraider> what do you mean?
[19:33:05] <Atomraider> ts3 source code?
[19:33:09] <Sixth_Ape> locked up like a prisoner
[19:33:17] <Sixth_Ape> yes
[19:33:48] <Atomraider> most people dont  even know what that means 
[19:34:04] <Atomraider> they cant even install it many times:D
[19:34:08] <kalken> Atomraider: Yes. I want to believe that at the end of the day, people will be where they want to be, working with people who they feel apprechiated and creative around.
[19:34:09] <Atomraider> they dont care
[19:34:29] <Sixth_Ape> they dont know
[19:34:32] <Atomraider> agreed kalken
[19:34:40] <Sixth_Ape> that they dont know that they do not know
[19:34:56] <Atomraider> if someone a ts3 fan for some reason then go ahaed use it 
[19:35:15] <Atomraider> but if he wants to modify it then he will realise its a dead end
[19:35:20] <kalken> ofc, but in this case it was the other way around...
[19:35:38] <Atomraider> so he has to options like change to an open source software or get use to it
[19:36:16] <kalken> "if you should use mumble, you have to agree on global ban policy etc"
[19:36:43] <kalken> i still dont really understand why people get offended in text or voice. Is it just not to stop talking and go somewhere else?
[19:36:44] <Atomraider> is it form Z admins?
[19:37:23] <kalken> Atomraider: the whole thing is a mixture of oppinionbased discussions where no one really have all the facts
[19:37:37] <kalken> and it ended up in to different perspectives on what must be done
[19:38:13] <Atomraider> i think they are trying to unite the whole community into a standardised comunication system
[19:38:21] <kalken> and in the end it might be good to investigate several different approaches on how a structure could look like
[19:38:25] <Atomraider> and for some reason they chosed ts3
[19:38:37] <kalken> yes
[19:39:23] <kalken> its like building a homepage that forces users to use internet explorer or something :D
[19:39:34] <Atomraider> but if they would chosed mumble the ts3 fan guys would be offended
[19:39:47] <kalken> but i dont mind. If they get it to work that way its probably fine then
[19:39:57] <Atomraider> so this is really about perspectives
[19:41:13] <kalken> i think it was when some authority people with lack of technical understanding, started to tell developers what they must use that the discussion ended...
[19:41:31] <Atomraider> yes my opininon is that someone should develop an universal system which can handle every clients ts mumble ventrillo etc 
[19:41:41] <Atomraider> like with the browsers
[19:41:56] <Atomraider> no explorer only site
[19:42:04] <Atomraider> no firefox only site
[19:42:08] <Atomraider> they are universal
[19:42:30] <kalken> ofc, If the structure is not built from the ground up, allowing people to be flexible, it will probably end up in a hierarchical structure where a little group of people do alot, and the rest does basically nothing
[19:42:44] <kalken> mostly because they cant, not because they dont want to
[19:42:50] <Atomraider> but of course it requires some real experts and a good backgrond to develope it
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[19:42:55] <kalken> yes
[19:43:17] <kalken> Atomraider: there are projects working on that here
[19:43:27] <Atomraider> really?
[19:43:37] <Atomraider> good to hear that
[19:43:37] <kalken> for resource sharing, for development, for other types of projects etc
[19:44:05] <kalken> http://rbose.org/wiki/Zynergy
[19:44:06] <rBOTse> URL Title: Webcore - RBOSE (at rbose.org)
[19:44:12] <kalken> ,r karma
[19:44:13] <rBOTse> kalken: 4k7a8r3m2a
[19:44:15] <kalken> hmm
[19:44:19] <kalken> !r Karma
[19:44:21] <infobot> Karma - RBOSE | let's open source everything once and for all The Karma site is intended to be a free and open environment where people can work together. The site is focused on sharing resources that people already have. Resources could be anything from physical resources to knowledge and help. The system core is not going to be like a traditional resource sharing system based on direct trade. The site
[19:44:22] <infobot> is going to contain a "karma"-system that can be used as a tool for building networks of trust between users who dont know each other IRL. The Empathic Civilisation @ http://rbose.org/wiki/Karma
[19:44:32] <kalken> http://rbose.org/wiki/OSF
[19:44:33] <rBOTse> URL Title: OSF - RBOSE (at rbose.org)
[19:44:40] <kalken> etc :)
[19:45:31] <Atomraider> i have to leave now guys it was good to speak with you
[19:45:48] <Atomraider> i saved the links what you sent me i will read them later
[19:45:52] <kalken> Atomraider: nice to talk to you to! hope to see you here again! :)
[19:46:06] <Atomraider> see you later
[19:46:08] <Atomraider> bye;)
[19:46:13] <kalken> bye :)
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[20:04:47] <kalken> to put a little perspective on things: If a guy came up to you 20 years ago and said something like. It would be nice if people had a little device in their hand, where they could read all books, download all music and watch all movies that exists on earth. One would probably laugh at him and tell him that he has watched too much star wars, and if he was serious, give him the number to a psychiatrist.
[20:06:42] <kalken> and its not because people believed that it could be done, but because people actually made it, that there is no argument about it today
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[20:26:23] <JoshStrobl> Hello guys.
[20:27:38] <JoshStrobl> I'm working on the qTeach site right now. I have some of it up, as far as the front page, developers page and contact us page. It's a bit hard developing it offline, however I'm pushing it online right now and modifying some of the source code.
[20:27:45] <JoshStrobl> I'll keep you guys posted.
[20:27:52] <JoshStrobl> I'll also work on the qTeach project page.
[20:28:08] <kalken> nice :)
[20:29:16] <nairboon> !r qTeach
[20:29:17] <infobot> 301 Moved Permanently | The document has moved here. @ http://rbose.org/wiki#
[20:29:23] <nairboon> whats qTeach?
[20:29:32] <kalken> !w qTeach
[20:29:32] <infobot>  There were no results matching the query.
[20:29:52] <JoshStrobl> its not up on the RBOSE site, the project page is on my site.
[20:30:29] <nairboon> link?
[20:30:43] <JoshStrobl> ...I'm working on the f-ing page, I just told you.
[20:31:00] <JoshStrobl> I'll post the source code, launchpad and project page in a bit.
[20:31:22] <nairboon> xD, i thought you had some description somewhere^^
[20:32:14] <JoshStrobl> The only description I have it on the actual project page and offline source page.
[20:32:43] <JoshStrobl> I discussed it a lot in the AOSDT / RBOSE meeting, I'll get the audio up in a sec. Gonna do some Audacity -> editing and convert to ogg.
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[20:33:04] <JoshStrobl> So if you are using Firefox or Google Chrome you will be able to take advantage of <audio> tags and just listen to it online.
[20:33:11] <JoshStrobl> Hey nanos! Whats up.
[20:33:24] <Nanos> Hi there Josh, just making dinner :-)
[20:33:33] <JoshStrobl> nice
[20:33:55] <JoshStrobl> brb
[20:34:00] <Nanos> Had any meetings yet ?
[20:35:01] <JoshStrobl> AOSDT / RBOSE meeting was on Sat.
[20:35:30] <JoshStrobl> I'll get the audio up in a bit, meeting notes and agenda is at http://openetherpad.org/CTyEBFZJe9
[20:35:31] <rBOTse> URL Title: EtherPad: CTyEBFZJe9 (at openetherpad.org)
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[20:36:31] <Nanos> Thanks
[20:37:17] <Nanos> What was the outcome roughly in decisions ?
[20:38:35] <BranManFloMore> <JoshStrobl> I discussed it a lot in the AOSDT / RBOSE meeting, I'll get the audio up in a sec. <--- Didn't know it took place.
[20:38:49] <JoshStrobl> Thats covered in the top part of the Etherpad page, in essence, we decided that the best way to collaborate between the two teams is via the launchpad accounts. There wasn't much to discuss at the meeting, mostly project information for both groups, I believe that collaboration between the two groups will spur a lot of code.
[20:39:05] <JoshStrobl> Bran, I announced it in the IRC before it even took place, you were even in the IRC. Not my fault you didn't read it ;)
[20:39:15] <BranManFloMore> yes
[20:39:23] <BranManFloMore> I signed up on when I would be available.
[20:39:29] <BranManFloMore> I didn't know when exactly it would start.
[20:39:37] <BranManFloMore> I didn't get no RBE Newsletter reminder.
[20:39:42] <BranManFloMore> No one threw me a heads up.
[20:40:05] <BranManFloMore> But if you get the audio, I'll chop it up and listen to it and then upload it on YOUTUBE with the rest of the RBOSE meetings.
[20:40:07] <BranManFloMore> :)
[20:40:18] <BranManFloMore> on it*
[20:41:03] <Nanos> Is launchpad free ?
[20:42:41] <nairboon> yes
[20:42:50] <nairboon> from the ubuntu makers
[20:43:12] <nairboon> canonical :P
[20:43:59] <nairboon> ,list meetbot
[20:44:00] <rBOTse> nairboon: addchair, deletemeeting, listmeetings, pingall, recent, and savemeetings
[20:44:10] <nairboon> ,listmeetings
[20:44:10] <rBOTse> nairboon: No currently active meetings.
[20:44:14] <nairboon> ,recent
[20:44:14] <rBOTse> nairboon: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[20:44:34] <Caly-Lap> hmm, what does AOSTD stand for? 
[20:44:38] <JoshStrobl> Bran > I'm already choping it up :D
[20:44:39] <JoshStrobl> AOSDT
[20:44:44] <JoshStrobl> Atlas Open Source Develpment Team
[20:45:18] <JoshStrobl> had to transfer the file from my desktop to my laptop to chop it up...will be up in a bit.
[20:45:20] <Caly-Lap> ok, qnd the idéa is? (quick summary on what you do?) 
[20:45:25] <BranManFloMore> Caly-Lap: hmm, what does AOSTD stand for? <--- I asked the same question LoL awhile back.
[20:45:34] <BranManFloMore> JoshStrobl: Bran > I'm already choping it up <--- Nice.
[20:46:02] <JoshStrobl> The Atlas Open Source Development Team develops open source software that will be used in Atlas City and the RBE movement.
[20:46:05] <BranManFloMore> JoshStrobl: Atlas Open Source Develpment Team <--- Ah, okay LoL
[20:46:09] <JoshStrobl> !g Atlas Initiative Group
[20:46:11] <infobot> Google  | Atlas Initiative Group @ http://www.atlasinitiativegroup.org/ | Atlas Initiative Group - Atlas City Project @ http://www.atlasinitiativegroup.org/forums/atlas-initiative-group.html | Venus Project Atlas Initiative Group | Open Source Ecology @ http://factorefarm.org/content/venus-project-atlas-initiative-group
[20:46:24] <BranManFloMore> JoshStrobl: The Atlas Open Source Development Team develops open source software that will be used in Atlas City and the RBE movement. <--- Sweet
[20:46:37] <JoshStrobl> ,g Atlas City Project
[20:46:38] <rBOTse> JoshStrobl: Atlas Initiative Group: <http://www.atlasinitiativegroup.org/>; Atlas City Project: <http://www.atlasinitiativegroup.org/acp.html>; Atlas City Project Strategy Guide - Introduction on Vimeo: <http://vimeo.com/9005582>; Atlas City Project (Venus Project) | Get Atlas City Project (Venus ...: <http://sourceforge.net/projects/atlascity/>; The Resource Based Economy and the Atlas City Project 1/13/2010 ...: (2 more messages)
[20:46:49] <Caly-Lap> JoshStrobl:  sounds great, what are the affiliations with TVP ? 
[20:46:53] <JoshStrobl> None
[20:47:08] <JoshStrobl> TVP and TZM are backwards and are not willing to transition.
[20:47:08] <Caly-Lap> "Atlas City Project (Venus Project)" ...
[20:47:21] <Caly-Lap> JoshStrobl:  ah, sweet, you got it right ;) 
[20:47:22] <JoshStrobl> We take some concepts from TVP
[20:47:31] <Caly-Lap> right, as do we ofc. 
[20:47:35] <JoshStrobl> Atlas City Project page is outdated, will update is ASAP.
[20:47:51] <JoshStrobl> brb
[20:48:05] <BranManFloMore> JoshStrobl: TVP and TZM are backwards and are not willing to transition. <--- I agree, it's best to try for the transition right away so that we can find out if this can work or not. If we don't try, then RBE will continue to look faith-based.
[20:48:18] <nairboon> Atlas Linux OS <- cloud computing?? i don't think thats the best solution in a rbe
[20:48:19] <Caly-Lap> JoshStrobl:  i'm sorry to have been very buissy with other stuff lately, so i prolly missed out alot on progress, such as that meeting. 
[20:48:20] * Nanos watches as everyone on same page
[20:48:30] <Caly-Lap> nairboon:  i do. 
[20:48:57] <JoshStrobl> Atlas Linux OS <- takes advantage of cloud based software to ensure Atlas Linux OS remains as light as possible.
[20:49:04] <nairboon> it creates a huge power concentration, the server-admin :P
[20:49:17] <nairboon> p2p is the future!
[20:49:18] <JoshStrobl> Cloud based software can be used by everyone, even if they aren't using Atlas Linux OS.
[20:49:19] <Nanos> I wonder if there is a FORTH version of linux ?
[20:49:22] <JoshStrobl> indeed.
[20:49:41] <Caly-Lap> JoshStrobl:  anyways, so for one, i've been very interested in cloud development, but i'm not a coder at all (yet)
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[20:50:16] <Nanos> I'm interested in systems to run hardware, such as say solar arrays, or toilet leak detectors..
[20:50:20] <JoshStrobl> Cloud development is merely web development and taking advantage of technology such as prism to provide a nicer environment (in regards to window management)
[20:50:28] <JoshStrobl> ,g What Is: Atlas Linux OS
[20:50:29] <Caly-Lap> oh, as nairboon said, the real solution is decentralized clouds, P2P
[20:50:29] <rBOTse> JoshStrobl: Archive of prebuilt ATLAS libraries for Linux: <http://www.netlib.org/atlas/archives/linux/>; Atlas Linux OS | Download Atlas Linux OS software for free at ...: <http://sourceforge.net/projects/atlaslinuxos/>; Atlas Linux OS: Netbook Launcher Theme : Blueprints : Atlas Linux OS: <https://blueprints.launchpad.net/atlas-linux-os/+spec/atlas-nl-theme>; Atlas Linux OS: Netbook Launcher Icons : Blueprints : (2 more messages)
[20:50:34] <Nanos> CCTV is one particular area I notice there seems a lack of cheap software for.
[20:50:35] <JoshStrobl> Ugh one sec
[20:50:52] <JoshStrobl> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvbflIYevJA
[20:50:53] <rBOTse> 	You4Tube	 2[Title] What Is: Atlas Linux OS 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 0:03:30 2[Views] 44 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2010-06-24 2[Description] What is Atlas Linux OS?  Atlas Linux OS is a Ubuntu derived, Linux distribution that will be highly in tune with the current and possibly change the future amount of cloud computing. This linux operating system will be originally designed for GNOME however I will work on a custom windows mana
[20:51:11] <nairboon> watched that already
[20:51:28] <nairboon> decentralized "clouds" sounds better :)
[20:51:30] <JoshStrobl> wasn't directed to you.
[20:51:36] <Nanos> Low wattage solutions too :-)
[20:51:44] <Caly-Lap> JoshStrobl:  that you in the vid? 
[20:51:48] <JoshStrobl> Yes
[20:51:53] <Caly-Lap> ah, hi there ^^
[20:52:01] <JoshStrobl> Hello. lolz
[20:52:20] <Caly-Lap> always nice with a face to go with the nick =) 
[20:52:40] <JoshStrobl> Bran > If I wanted to post on Youtube, it would need...14 videos :D
[20:53:08] <BranManFloMore> I've sliced of series of videos longer than that.
[20:53:11] <Caly-Lap> JoshStrobl:  have you looked into Venux (from RBEF) and the zmerge/zynergy stuff from here? 
[20:53:46] <BranManFloMore> I've sliced up series of videos longer than that*
[20:53:50] <JoshStrobl> Caly > Yes, I am actually part of RBEF (used to be the Information Gathering and Promotional Group Coordinator), I'm working on the "Venux Explorer" in XML.
[20:54:18] <Caly-Lap> BranManFloMore:  cool, perhaps you can upload "The Day The Universe Changed" ? 10x45min episodes. 
[20:54:45] <Caly-Lap> but BBC migt be pissed, althou, the series is very old, earliy eighties i think.. 
[20:54:47] <Caly-Lap> hehe
[20:54:49] <Nanos> One area I'm shortly going to have solutions for is electronics and programming for solar vehicle firmware, eg. battery charging, load balance between cells, solar panels/etc.
[20:55:16] <Caly-Lap> reeeeeeeally good series if you want to learn some REAL history (techological and socio-economic history) 
[20:55:16] <Nanos> Rather in need of solutions for that is :-)
[20:55:30] <BranManFloMore> Caly-Lap: BranManFloMore:  cool, perhaps you can upload "The Day The Universe Changed" ? 10x45min episodes.  <--- If I was to do that, I would dedicate it to it's own channel LoL.. But first I would have to find the videos to download to begin slicing.
[20:55:33] <Caly-Lap> Nanos:  that sounds really great!
[20:55:33] <Nanos> Thats the kind of videos I was hoping TZM would have on their site :-)
[20:56:12] <BranManFloMore> I chop up documentaries and lectures that aren't found on YOUTUBE already and upload them to the RBOSE Channel already.
[20:56:25] <Caly-Lap> BranManFloMore:  right, i have them, but i've never uploaded anything on the tube. I'ts avaliable on TPB (torrent) 
[20:56:56] <BranManFloMore> If you email me the torrent, I can download it when I get home and see what I can do with it.
[20:56:58] <Caly-Lap> BranManFloMore:  it would fit there like a glove... i recommend you wath the series regardless =) 
[20:57:21] <BranManFloMore> Caly-Lap: BranManFloMore:  it would fit there like a glove... i recommend you wath the series regardless =) <--- Alrighty then.
[20:57:23] <BranManFloMore> :)
[20:57:48] <Nanos> I imagine of the first problems I will come across is getting the electric motor and batteries to work nicely together without causing them to explode!
[20:57:56] <JoshStrobl> If I'm not active on IRC for a while, its because I'm editing the audio file.
[20:58:35] <Caly-Lap> i have it stored away on a NAS without the original torrent file, but i'll find a link... 
[20:59:27] <Caly-Lap> JoshStrobl:  cool, then we have another foot in there too now then =P 
[20:59:59] <Caly-Lap> always good with cross-organisation folks that intertwain all the goodies =) 
[21:02:18] <JoshStrobl> Yes, I lead the meeting to start the collaboration between RBEF and Atlas Initiative Group.
[21:02:34] <Caly-Lap> cool
[21:02:46] <JoshStrobl> I'm trying to get as much as us "RBE folks" together and become as productive as possible.
[21:03:18] <Caly-Lap> i have been communicating a bit through the RBEF forums, but as most folks here, i freaking hate forums, worst communication/collaboration crap ever. 
[21:03:52] <JoshStrobl> Completely agree.
[21:03:53] <BranManFloMore> Well, I like their forums because I can edit anytime unlike TZM forums.
[21:03:54] <Nanos> I hate most modern forums, so slow and cumbersome!
[21:03:58] <BranManFloMore> It sort of feels like WIKI.
[21:04:01] <BranManFloMore> In A way.
[21:04:05] <JoshStrobl> Yea
[21:04:07] <Caly-Lap> JoshStrobl:  my focus exactly. I'm trying to get the foot in at RBEC and EOS / NET as well. 
[21:04:23] <JoshStrobl> I can't stand the TZM forums, hence why I stay away from TZM (besides the egotistical bastards in TZM).
[21:04:30] <BranManFloMore> Caly-Lap: i have it stored away on a NAS without the original torrent file, but i'll find a link... <--- Keep me posted on that or any other documentaries.
[21:04:36] <Caly-Lap> structureless childsplay wiki if so... 
[21:04:38] <Caly-Lap> haha
[21:04:48] <Caly-Lap> BranManFloMore:  http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4127842/BBC_-_The_Day_The_Universe_Changed__History__Science
[21:06:14] <BranManFloMore> Ah, thanks: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=BBC+-+The+Day+The+Universe+Changed+History+Science&aq=f
[21:06:15] <rBOTse> URL Title: YouTube - BBC - The Day The Universe Changed History Science (at www.youtube.com)
[21:06:18] <DNS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82C7hdk8yLA
[21:06:19] <rBOTse> 	You4Tube	 2[Title] Shortie No Mas - You Like My Style 2[Category] Music 2[Duration] 0:04:21 2[Views] 5650 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2008-08-21 2[Description] Produced by Da Beatminerz  http://www.myspace.com/shortienomas
[21:06:25] <DNS> ;D
[21:06:44] <BranManFloMore> Nope, it's not YOUTUBE (Goodie Goodie)
[21:06:45] <BranManFloMore> LoL
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[21:07:35] <BranManFloMore> Thanks Caly-Lap
[21:09:38] * Nanos wonders where to get cheap indicators..
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[21:14:59] * Nanos wonders where to fit indicator switches on handlebar..
[21:15:09] <Sixth_Ape> at the junkyard
[21:15:20] <Nanos> Nearest junkyard is miles away.. would need indicators to get there :-)
[21:15:27] <BranManFloMore> Thrift store?
[21:15:37] <Sixth_Ape> internet
[21:15:44] <Sixth_Ape> bid or buy
[21:15:48] * BranManFloMore withdraws his suggestion.
[21:15:48] <Nanos> Just looking on ebay now, nothing cheap and local.
[21:15:58] <Nanos> Already tried thrift stores.
[21:16:01] <BranManFloMore> Craigslist?
[21:16:12] <Nanos> Not tried that yet, its on my list though :-)
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[21:16:20] <BranManFloMore> :)
[21:16:41] <Nanos> Just pondering how I might fit a horn and indicator switches, so that I don't press the other by accident!
[21:17:41] <Nanos> At the moment on my cycle, I have a horn button on each side of the handlebars, I suppose I might get away with just one if I don't have to take my hands off at all.
[21:18:22] <Nanos> It makes sense at first thought to have an indicator switch on both sides of the handlebars, one for each side.
[21:18:39] <Nanos> I suppose one could have the horn on one side, and two indicator switches on the otherside next to each other.
[21:18:59] <Nanos> I would guess if I'm right handed, have horn on right side, and indicator buttons on left.
[21:19:18] <BranManFloMore> To even things out, sure.
[21:19:52] <Nanos> Do I need any more buttons for anything ?
[21:20:09] <BranManFloMore> How about blinkers?
[21:20:19] <BranManFloMore> For turning.
[21:20:21] <Nanos> Thats what we call indicators here.
[21:20:31] <JoshStrobl> Bran > lol fail on your part.
[21:20:38] <BranManFloMore> Ah (feels stupid)
[21:20:59] <BranManFloMore> JoshStrobl: Bran > lol fail on your part. <_<
[21:21:02] * JoshStrobl its ok Bran... I don't call them indicators either, although I do know what "indicators" are...
[21:21:11] <Nanos> Next we'll be talking about the boot and trunk :-)
[21:22:01] <JoshStrobl> Nanos > If you really get going on your vehicle, can I help you create a place in the United States for them? as far as factory...
[21:22:21] <BranManFloMore> How about emergency light (indicator) when you vehicle breaks down?
[21:22:26] <BranManFloMore> your*
[21:22:40] <Nanos> Sure, that would be great. (Though I'm more looking at small workshops producing them, due to the low capital startup costs compared with a large factory.)
[21:22:55] <Nanos> Ah yes, hazard warning lights!
[21:23:26] <Nanos> I think I could put that button on the dashboard.
[21:24:17] <Nanos> I really need a working vehicle as then I can cut down on expenses by saving money on not paying for a monthly bus pass for my girlfriend going to work.
[21:24:48] <Nanos> Hence why I thought of a addon trailer with large batteries so they can be charged at night to give it a decent 30+ mile daily range, without needing lots of expensive solar panels to start with.
[21:25:09] <Nanos> Thinking about it, actually making an extended range trailer as part of the product range could well make sense.
[21:25:24] <Nanos> Something you could also later on add solar panels too.
[21:25:46] <Nanos> I got the idea from someone else doing it: http://puregreencars.com/files/Solar-taxi.JPG
[21:26:19] <Nanos> Though mine will be smaller, around 4ft wide and 5ft long, I don't want it too big, as otherwise it will cause difficulties parking and driving.
[21:27:24] <BranManFloMore> It doesn't look sunny outside.
[21:27:32] <BranManFloMore> I'm amazed the vehicle is still going.
[21:27:35] * BranManFloMore jokes.
[21:28:03] <Nanos> Solar cells still work with light :-) might even work under a street light at night..
[21:28:31] <Nanos> A nice fat battery will help for when its not sunny, that and pedals if you really run low on juice :-)
[21:28:33] <JoshStrobl> Actually, the clouds don't block out as much of the sun light as you think...I would be able to power my house on solar whether it was sunny or not.
[21:28:48] <Nanos> I'll find out with some real world tests just how well they do in practice.
[21:29:08] <Nanos> In theory, I should be able to just slap on as many panels as I can carry to get the desired range..
[21:29:29] <Nanos> I can quite well there will be a gap between theory and practice though when it comes to actual power delivered to the wheel..
[21:29:47] <BranManFloMore> Nanos: Solar cells still work with light :-) might even work under a street light at night.. <--- But wouldn't it need heat and light?
[21:29:58] <Nanos> So I can imagine the first few vehicles will be awfully inefficient, but they should at least work to some degree.
[21:30:35] <Nanos> I think it just needs light, as just with a flourescent tube on in the room the panels I have register some power generation.
[21:30:49] <BranManFloMore> Hmmm...
[21:31:03] <Nanos> Every little bit helps.
[21:31:23] <Nanos> I've one solar panel fitted to my cycle at the moment for test purposes.
[21:31:42] <Nanos> http://www.nanos.org.uk/downloads/cyclesolarpanel.jpg
[21:31:59] <Nanos> http://www.nanos.org.uk/downloads/cyclebackbox.jpg inside of box
[21:32:22] <JoshStrobl> Nanos ... your cycle is SOOOO pretty
[21:32:34] <Nanos> http://www.nanos.org.uk/downloads/cycle.jpg for the full effect, so you can see the horn as well as the wing mirrors
[21:32:43] <Nanos> I tend to go for practical over pretty :-)
[21:33:10] <Nanos> Takes 20amps to power the horn, hence why I carry a lead acid battery around with me.
[21:33:29] <Nanos> But 139 decibels should come in handy when I need it..
[21:33:50] <Nanos> Its also fitted with solid puncture proof tyres as well.
[21:34:04] <JoshStrobl> Nanos > As long as it gets you from Point A to Point B, there isn't anything wrong with it ;)
[21:34:29] <Nanos> Yep, in time I can imagine I'll pretty up the solar vehicle, for now it will be like my bike, basic and functional.
[21:34:37] <JoshStrobl> Yep
[21:34:44] <Nanos> If I'm lucky, I can have some beauty with form, without having to pretty it up too much on purpose.
[21:35:01] <Nanos> Its not too clear what it might look like yet..
[21:36:50] <Nanos> http://www.nanos.org.uk/downloads/woodencar.jpg maybe a bit like this, this is a production model from around 30 years ago in the UK.
[21:37:02] <Nanos> Its got a wooden chassis and bodypanels, they didn't make too many of those..
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[21:40:15] <Nanos> http://www.automotto.org/entry/chinese-man-creates-world-s-cheapest-electric-car/ this is rather nice, just came across it.
[21:40:18] <rBOTse> URL Title: Chinese Man Creates World’s Cheapest Electric Car - Auto Motto (at www.automotto.org)
[21:41:25] <Nanos> http://www.automotto.org/entry/a-chinese-diyer-builds-himself-a-stunning-lamborghini this was what I was looking for.
[21:41:26] <rBOTse> URL Title: A Chinese DIYer Builds Himself A Stunning Lamborghini - Auto Motto (at www.automotto.org)
[21:43:31] <Nanos> I'm looking at boat building techniques for the wooden bodypanels.
[21:45:38] <JoshStrobl> ...still editing lol
[21:45:52] <JoshStrobl> 43 minutes through, w00t! out of 1 hr 45 minutes worth.
[21:45:57] <JoshStrobl> I've cut out quite a bit.
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[22:53:00] <JoshStrobl> lol I am listening to what you guys were talking about after I left the meeting :D
[22:53:44] <Kebap> where is the recording?
[22:57:52] <neocortex> !morning Josh, Kebap, et. al.
[22:58:55] <neocortex> I think Josh has a link for the recording, kebap
[22:59:32] <Viper> Hi folks
[22:59:43] <neocortex> dear god
[22:59:44] <lukas> hi guys :)
[22:59:45] <neocortex> hi viper
[22:59:55] <neocortex> !cuddle lukas
[23:00:07] <BranManFloMore> lukas: hi guys :) <--- Heya
[23:00:22] <neocortex> !super-cuddle BranMan
[23:00:31] <lukas> !hug all
[23:00:32] * RBOSE expands his arms and hugs the whole #RBOSE. :D 
[23:00:36] <neocortex> :D
[23:00:48] <Viper> ;)
[23:00:56] * neocortex <3 RBOSE
[23:01:13] * BranManFloMore always gets eHUG love.
[23:01:16] <BranManFloMore> :)
[23:01:20] <neocortex> :)
[23:01:20] <lukas> haha
[23:03:52] <JoshStrobl> Kebap, converting to OGG through Audacity right now
[23:04:17] <JoshStrobl> luka > I'm enjoying the audio from "after I left" :D
[23:04:45] <JoshStrobl> uploading to my site now.
[23:04:50] <neocortex> at how many minutes did you leave Josh?
[23:05:58] <JoshStrobl> 56 minutes into recording.
[23:06:21] <JoshStrobl> btw, its only 47.4 MB ;)
[23:06:22] <neocortex> thanks
[23:06:32] <neocortex> cool...way to go
[23:06:48] <JoshStrobl> Already 14% uploade
[23:06:51] <JoshStrobl> *uploaded
[23:07:06] <JoshStrobl> ATLAS RBOSE Meeting July 4th 2010_128.ogg: 8.23 MB: 17% Complete ETA ~ 4m 30s @ 148.18 KB/
[23:08:25] <Kebap> nice
[23:08:31] <JoshStrobl> ATLAS RBOSE Meeting July 4th 2010_128.ogg: 14.17 MB: 29% Complete ETA ~ 3m 8s @ 180.87 KB/s
[23:09:35] <neocortex> cool
[23:09:45] <JoshStrobl> ATLAS RBOSE Meeting July 4th 2010_128.ogg: 20.68 MB: 43% Complete ETA ~ 3m 21s @ 135.71 KB/s
[23:09:51] <JoshStrobl> :D uploading fast
[23:10:26] <neocortex> lol
[23:10:37] <neocortex> schnell schnell!
[23:18:32] <JoshStrobl> http://globalcommunityportal.com/meetings/ATLAS%20RBOSE%20Meeting%20July%204th%202010_128.ogg
[23:18:41] <neocortex> yay
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[23:26:58] <neocortex> ,tr en -> de yay
[23:26:58] <rBOTse> neocortex: Error: "tr" is not a valid command.
[23:27:02] <neocortex> jaj
[23:27:58] <JoshStrobl> I didn't know you were serious when you said that you were going to be recording after you left LOL
[23:28:12] <JoshStrobl> You clearly were....
[23:29:10] <neocortex> lol
[23:29:21] <neocortex> yeh...just left it running
[23:29:33] <neocortex> do you play an instrument Josh?
[23:29:47] <neocortex> like ... do you ever rocord yourself playing music?
[23:30:51] <JoshStrobl> I used to play a clarinet, otherwise, no....And that was...3 years ago.
[23:30:59] <neocortex> clarinet is cool
[23:31:06] <JoshStrobl> It was ok.
[23:31:20] <neocortex> it's one of the most difficult instruments
[23:35:31] <neocortex> ok...maybe it's not
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[23:36:10] <Diogenez> hi
[23:36:10] <neocortex> Diogenez!!!
[23:36:12] <neocortex> hi
[23:36:13] <Diogenez> anybody read my message from this morning
[23:36:22] <neocortex> not me
[23:36:23] <Diogenez> about the Hanged Man project and his views of ZM
[23:36:38] <neocortex> :|
[23:36:40] <Diogenez> i don't have it open here at this temp job i pasted before i left the home 
[23:37:00] <Diogenez> i put a shout out for RBOSE as a better fork
[23:37:14] <Diogenez> he was the maker of Kymatica
[23:37:15] <neocortex> [13:28] <Diogenez> anybody here familiar with the hanged man project?
[23:37:16] <neocortex> [13:29] <Diogenez> the person involved said::  
[23:37:16] <neocortex> [13:29] <Diogenez> I am not too familiar with the direction and principle foundation of the Zeitgeist movement, however I am aware that it is attempting to revolutionize the current move of civilization on all physical levels. I believe that this is important, however I am not sure if there is any mention of consciousness, or at least a mention of the importance of consciousness within the principles of the movement.
[23:37:16] <neocortex>  Because of this, I feel I would be doing a great
[23:37:16] <neocortex> [13:29] <Diogenez> if I were to give my opinion on his movement without me fully understanding it. I applaud any and all people who dedicate themselves to helping humanity and the prosperity of all life, however my work rests solely on the foundation that physical revolution and physical changes are always futile without focusing PRIMARILY on consciousness. Because otherwise, the people who uphold a society will
[23:37:16] <neocortex>  still be just as enslaved on a conscious level, and w
[23:37:33] <Diogenez> there you go
[23:37:36] <neocortex> :D
[23:38:28] <Diogenez> the same thing he said was said about 4th of july
[23:38:52] <Diogenez> that the population was not ready to take responsability for their own affairs given the level of freedom
[23:39:01] <neocortex> lol
[23:39:07] <Diogenez> and thus mymiced the same problems they try to escape
[23:39:18] <Diogenez> my favorite reading from yesterday was Emma Goldman
[23:39:20] <Diogenez> are you familiar?
[23:39:29] <neocortex> no
[23:39:44] <Diogenez> 1909 a piece a publisher asked her for but refused to publish
[23:39:54] <neocortex> lol
[23:40:01] <neocortex> is she provokative?
[23:40:19] <Diogenez> http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Goldman/Writings/Essays/independence.html
[23:40:21] <rBOTse> URL Title: Goldman's Published Essays and Pamphlets: A New Declaration of Independence (at sunsite.berkeley.edu)
[23:40:27] <Diogenez> she speaks truth to power
[23:40:33] <Diogenez> she was kicked out of russia and usa
[23:40:46] <Diogenez> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Goldman
[23:40:47] <neocortex> she's awesome then
[23:40:48] <rBOTse> URL Title: Emma Goldman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
[23:41:05] <Diogenez> that writing on independence roxors
[23:41:41] <Diogenez> with out here who knows what kind of labor rights we would have
[23:44:00] * Diogenez Her writing and lectures spanned a wide variety of issues, including prisons, atheism, freedom of speech, militarism, capitalism, marriage, free love, and homosexuality.
[23:45:05] <neocortex> awesome
[23:45:21] * neocortex has a new hero
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[23:50:20] <JoshStrobl> http://globalcommunityportal.com/qTeach <- Currently just the basics is up, will be working on the qTeachDevelopers classroom (hence the first qTeach classroom). Still need to make the LaunchPad project.
[23:50:21] <rBOTse> URL Title: qTeach: Home Page (at globalcommunityportal.com)
[23:50:38] <Viper> http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/img/2010/07/joy-patents.jpg
[23:50:42] <Diogenez> "I would not support a war against them and for the democracies which, in the last analysis, are only Fascist in disguise."
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[23:51:37] <kalken> JoshStrobl: cool!
[23:51:53] <kalken> could/should that be integrated with mumble maybe?
[23:52:03] <kalken> for voicechat etc
[23:52:15] <JoshStrobl> Voicechat will be Silverlight
[23:52:18] <kalken> ok
[23:54:14] <JoshStrobl> Working on Contact Form right now.
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[23:57:29] <lukas> "Silverlight's proprietary nature is a concern to competition since it may harm the open nature of the World Wide Web. Advocates of free  software are also concerned Silverlight could be another example of Microsoft's embrace, extend and extinguish  strategy. Both Microsoft Silverlight and Adobe Flash are proprietary." :( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverlight
[23:57:30] <rBOTse> URL Title: Microsoft Silverlight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
[23:58:18] <JoshStrobl> I'm not going to use Flash. HTML5 does not support webcam yet, just video and audio from files.
[23:58:37] <lukas> "However, the communication between a Flash player and a server is done by the proprietary protocol RTMP. Both Flash and Silverlight use patent-encumbered audio and video codecs."