[00:01:22] *** Joins: Nanos (nanos.org.uk@RBOSE-08e1e52b.bethere.co.uk) [00:01:34] germany or spain? [00:01:52] * Nanos wanders in and waves to everyone in a friendly manner [00:02:36] * BranManFloMore has a flashback on Nanos' old avatar. [00:02:47] What's up Nanos? [00:02:49] * Nanos smiles [00:03:15] Just taking a restful moment to do a spot of web surfing and pop into this channel to see whats happening. [00:04:03] Seems a bit quiet today. [00:04:19] Not sure, why, but I'm doing the same thing pretty much. [00:04:21] *** Parts: Dfjpw (Dfjpw@RBOSE-6eda2f61.bredband.comhem.se) [00:04:26] Can't wait to get home and get some sleep. [00:04:47] just talking about priets [00:04:49] priests [00:04:59] Tired here too, especially my arms after spending two hours yesterday cutting the hedge. [00:05:01] and 1.3 million dollars of the churches money they spent on whores [00:05:25] *** Joins: JoshStrobl (qwebirc@RBOSE-a1b5eda3.rioaccess.com) [00:05:38] * Nanos waves @ Josh [00:05:39] "Catholic priests in America 'used 1.3m church funds to pay for male escorts over seven years' [00:05:39] iGuess it's hard being a pimp )no pun intended( [00:05:42] * BranManFloMore jokes [00:05:46] hehe [00:05:57] hard when you are caught [00:05:57] I mean pope. [00:05:58] LoL [00:06:05] nazi youth pope [00:06:17] Did you link the article? [00:06:20] I think I missed it. [00:06:26] ya his dirty laundery will continue to surface [00:06:56] he's the last pope [00:07:05] Diogenez: i wonder when the spicey details about the Nazi youth popes sex life are goign to come out [00:07:05] Diogenez: Thunder <--- LoL [00:07:08] or is the one more? [00:07:15] Dobson and Haggard too [00:07:49] you think the pope ships thunder in on a private jet ehh? [00:08:40] Come on... He's Thunder. [00:08:41] jk [00:08:43] Of course. [00:08:45] * BranManFloMore jokes [00:08:50] he rides the clouds [00:09:02] his avantar pic is a dead give away [00:09:29] darkdancer "oh thunder those eyes" [00:09:31] On his forehead, it use to say "Pope'd" [00:09:35] LoL [00:09:59] Diogenez: darkdancer "oh thunder those eyes" <--- LoL [00:10:10] :| [00:10:21] you guys just don't understand gay love [00:10:50] is it more about anger at the opposite gendeR? [00:11:04] yup [00:11:06] ive known some women to turn a few guys [00:11:17] I guess due to massive rejection of the opposite sex, people become gay? [00:11:21] safer that way they are after all the troubles [00:11:24] * BranManFloMore plays around with a theory. [00:11:31] that or massive exploitation [00:11:34] I was molested by a woman when I was 7 [00:11:54] i always have a dream when i was young of a van of women raping me [00:11:56] Was she your school teacher? [00:12:05] she was my babysitter [00:12:10] she forced my face into her vagina [00:12:19] Was it American Pie? [00:12:22] oh schnap [00:12:24] and she was screaming "lick it lick it" [00:12:33] Like a lollipop? [00:12:37] yup [00:12:49] Did you tell her she was being a level 3 troll? [00:12:56] "you like fish little boy dont you" [00:12:59] :) [00:13:00] lol [00:13:01] hahah [00:13:04] ha [00:13:07] gross [00:13:28] sock puppetry [00:13:51] lol [00:15:12] anyway gay love is awesome [00:16:35] So getting rape by women turns people gay? [00:16:50] If they are males? Is that what you are saying NeoCorTex? [00:17:07] after that episode I was bullied by girls at school [00:17:15] they scared me [00:17:20] they picked on me [00:17:25] and I feared them [00:17:33] Were they gothic? [00:17:35] * BranManFloMore jokes [00:17:35] i used to bully girls [00:17:35] and I felt uncomfortable with them [00:18:47] it's all about babies [00:18:59] *** Quits: nairboon (nairboon@RBOSE-9039b895.cust.bluewin.ch) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [00:21:38] my theory is that due to a instinct of any spieces to understand its environment as harmful will adapt traits to addapt [00:21:45] over population factors in too [00:22:09] I did notice a tendancy for gays to have single sex schooling as part of their background. [00:23:05] Is homosexuality Nature's solution to overpopulation? Research says it is true [00:23:15] Though, girls tend to do better at single sex schools academically than mixed. [00:23:20] i read in a local paper there is no gender preference [00:23:24] its all about attraction [00:23:52] like weed plants [00:24:00] that go hermaphrodite [00:24:05] when there is a lack of a male [00:24:28] some have a stronger desire to reproduce and some opposite [00:24:40] Hmmm... [00:24:58] its in the dna of the cells [00:25:05] hormones etc [00:25:34] I have no urge to reproduce [00:25:46] I have a distint urge to refrain from reproduction [00:26:05] and some just want to be canibals and eat babies [00:26:09] eww [00:26:12] jk [00:26:16] like Catholic priests [00:26:22] I also have no urge there to produce kids. (Hence having a vasectomany.) [00:26:28] but canibalism was popular until the 18th century [00:26:37] gross [00:26:41] Animals do it if you don't watch them! [00:26:50] Saves things going to waste.. [00:26:54] Catholicism and Cannibalism do sound similar [00:26:55] Baby burgers :-) [00:27:03] Diogenez: and some just want to be canibals and eat babies <--- I've seen hamsters do this when they are not fed and eat their own babies. [00:27:07] Could also be a solution to prison overcrowding.. [00:27:11] i think it does have relgious roots [00:27:19] cats too [00:27:26] will eat part of their litter [00:27:37] Yuck [00:27:39] * neocortex feels sick [00:27:46] can we change the topic [00:28:02] so how do we break the patent law [00:28:11] top secret mission to get free ideas [00:28:13] Get the law changed. [00:28:16] hidden in vaults [00:28:54] well when people do differnt , civil disobedience' that seems to change laws [00:28:55] Difficulty is that without patents, those that invent things are out of pocket.. [00:29:01] critical mass [00:29:15] we ignore patent law [00:29:16] I can't say I@m particularly aware of any important laws being changed by civil disobedience.. [00:29:20] out of the deligated resource of the environment [00:29:24] Ignorance doesn't really make the problem go away.. [00:29:29] yes it does [00:29:36] the problem is an illusion [00:29:43] patents are an illusion [00:29:45] Not really when you get dragged to court.. [00:29:51] that's an illusion too [00:29:56] in critical mass bike rides [00:29:57] * BranManFloMore laughs [00:30:00] just like money is an illusion [00:30:04] Next your be telling me prison bars are an illusion too :-) [00:30:06] more bike space is asked for [00:30:16] in forest squats land can be re publicized [00:30:27] Solution is not to protest, solution is to build something. [00:30:39] in saying no to injustice blacks can share water fountains [00:30:44] it's really backward for an Open Source group to be concerned with patent law [00:31:00] build many things so just one can't be stopped concurrently [00:31:26] just do it [00:31:27] well open source is concerned because they get stolen from by proprietary companies [00:31:33] and not given credit [00:31:45] for instance when MS stole that xml stuff and office 2007 got proven illegal [00:31:49] genius is not an idea [00:31:49] An understandable issue that. [00:32:36] the more transparency the better to see who and how things are ha\ppening [00:32:44] def [00:32:45] Agreed about transparency. [00:32:51] i can only imagine allot more open source is being hijacked and we don't know it [00:33:02] in the name of profit [00:33:29] well...we hijack consumer products in the name of open source [00:33:35] don't we... [00:33:36] imagine how we could do the opposite [00:33:36] I do [00:33:39] *** Quits: JoshStrobl (qwebirc@RBOSE-a1b5eda3.rioaccess.com) (Quit: Page closed) [00:33:42] take what is not free and make it free [00:33:48] :D [00:33:52] warez [00:33:54] 0day [00:33:55] the scene [00:33:58] Word [00:34:02] Pity you can't warez solar vehicles :-) [00:34:12] reverse engineering [00:34:23] so what would open source hardware look like [00:34:28] Nothing much to reverse really.. [00:34:41] and why will jacque not relesase the ideas he says ae so 'cool' in create commons etc [00:34:46] Open source hardware is more difficult as you need resources to build things. [00:34:51] i mean DRM mostly [00:34:55] A good question that. [00:35:01] revese engineering is to gain access to locks [00:35:21] crackers [00:35:26] Lets say I open source my solar vehicle, doesn't necessarly help me pay the rent. [00:35:43] As such, I ponder how I can make it open source, and yet still make a living from it. [00:36:04] well rent is extortion in the first place [00:36:16] Still has to be paid though, or you become homeless prettyquickly. [00:36:16] i would like to see us reevaluate our relationship to property [00:36:23] why would we ever pay rent? [00:36:23] Similar. [00:36:32] Otherwise I don't get to live in a house. [00:36:43] same with 'make a living' what does that mean in a RBE [00:37:01] it would maybe translate to how can i cotribute my energy to sustain Our existance of community [00:37:02] Hopefully in an RBE, everyone will have a basic free standard of living, so jobs will be optional. [00:37:22] What interests me especially is getting from here to there, so I can afford to build houses that people can live in for free! [00:37:23] i think it would come down to coolness credits [00:37:30] Thunder would be poor in a RBE [00:37:57] tyrany would gain you no favors [00:38:22] well my mom does it with mud [00:38:48] problem is that mud was home to plants who lived in it as top soil [00:38:57] and top soil as of now is a finite resource we are loosing [00:39:17] humanure [00:39:24] read and Jenkins ? [00:39:40] http://www.jenkinspublishing.com/humanure.html [00:39:55] free download i believe [00:39:56] Diogenez: Thunder would be poor in a RBE <--- All mods would feel poor because they would no longer be power junkies. [00:40:07] true [00:40:15] You can be a mod without being a power junkie. [00:40:27] they would quickly learn empathy and communication skills or be hungry [00:40:34] Nanos: You can be a mod without being a power junkie. <--- It looks rare to me. [00:40:36] you can be excellent without an Ego! [00:40:38] damn it! [00:40:47] I'd agree that yes it is rare. [00:40:52] moderators at meetings i go to just facilitate and are picked via concensus and change frequently [00:40:53] Often those that want to be mods, aren't suitable.. [00:40:57] same idea to term limits i guess [00:41:07] with out term limits there would be allot more dictators [00:41:14] infobot is the best moderator ever [00:41:15] Problem with term limit is it can often lead to people without along period of skill in the job. [00:41:40] Just need to keep your ego in check as a mod :-) [00:41:40] HI INFOBOT YOU'RE THE BEST MODERATOR EVER AND I LOVE YOU HEAPS AND HEAPS <3 <3 [00:41:40] *** neocortex was kicked by RBOSE (Turn caps lock OFF!) [00:41:41] *** Joins: neocortex (neocortex@RBOSE-11a0392b.iinet.net.au) [00:42:02] like cuba i wish a younger generation was more included to foster a shared power to defend againt the imperailism they have been for so long [00:42:03] <-- mod of some (counts..) 60 forums. [00:42:03] :D [00:43:12] Nanos is such a show-off. [00:43:15] * BranManFloMore jokes [00:43:17] * Nanos smiles [00:43:33] I just don't go all thunder like and ban people left right and centre.. [00:43:39] I can't even remember the last time I banned someone! [00:44:30] hes a projectionist is why [00:44:46] he puts his problems is he unable to self reflect on onto other people [00:45:06] its a shame blame stratagy and him and vtv like the reverse sting op tactic [00:45:10] Pity the staff above him don't spot he isn't suitable for the job and fire him. [00:45:11] emo [00:45:33] Peter pulled some wiched studid ish on you in a post i saw [00:45:41] Nanos, I'm sure they spotted his BS already. [00:45:47] Peter is like i n 100% defensive mode [00:45:49] tanktop removed him as mod once. [00:45:50] LoL [00:45:54] * Nanos wonders which post.. [00:45:59] like he hides his real issues [00:46:05] the banned user post [00:46:25] I was Zeitrolled today [00:46:25] I'm not sure PJ would know a bad mod if he came up to him in public and kicked him in the nuts. [00:46:44] zeitrolled? [00:46:45] we were watching some funny clips on youtube and all of a sudden, intro to zeitgeist addendum x) it was fun. [00:46:49] mm [00:46:55] Its a common problem I see in organisations, once you got idiots at the top, your stuffed. [00:47:01] Well, when MODs kiss his ass, it's hard to spot for him probably. But VTV and Thunder should be real obvious by now. [00:47:03] jahhahah [00:47:33] Nanos: Its a common problem I see in organisations, once you got idiots at the top, your stuffed. <--- LoL [00:47:52] like how they can say about somebody 'they done agree with the stated mission and goals of the zeitgiest movement and venus project and are banned' [00:48:19] So much for "constructive criticism". [00:48:26] even taking peoples words out of context to do so [00:48:41] you get on board and Obey or you are unwelcome [00:49:00] That's the melody I hear. [00:49:11] Get down and lay down. [00:49:23] * BranManFloMore acts gangsterrr [00:49:29] lol [00:49:55] having a follower fan based class does not lead to high intelligence or inovative sollutions [00:50:15] I agree. [00:50:17] i remember that day DD came in here with taht one woman and tried to black mail the coders [00:50:23] and to shum gritts and bill and me [00:50:31] anya? [00:50:43] Anya is one of the developers I think. [00:50:49] Yeah. [00:50:55] she is a leader of developers [00:50:56] But damn... [00:51:04] who wants other people to do the work i think [00:51:09] more of a manager type [00:51:38] Yeah, I remember listening to an old RBOSE meeting where she was trying to recruit people from here and stated that she only cared about the developer's team. [00:51:49] yup [00:51:54] So, you can start to see through them. [00:52:05] they said that would make a special rbose room in ZM just for devs [00:52:13] as long as we didn't allow xy and z [00:52:58] eww [00:53:00] I remember Peter on one of his latest shows bragging about the DEV team and I was like... What DEV team? [00:53:03] * BranManFloMore laughs [00:53:06] ha [00:53:13] i wonder where the trend towards obedience and conformity come from [00:53:26] parents ? [00:53:26] hypnosis [00:53:29] From intimidation. [00:53:36] ya and threats [00:53:41] and coersion [00:53:48] iNdeed. [00:54:24] if we looked at the needs behind stuff and brainstormed on stratagies and weighed all the options with everbodies minds rather than a boss deligating... [00:55:06] either that or just make Grits the boss [00:55:25] Boss comes in handy to focus everyone on a few projects. [00:55:50] A good boss though only does that after everyones done the brainstorming sessions.. [00:55:57] When I bump into people, people say "hey boss". [00:55:59] I mean... [00:56:04] And then, as time goes on, tweaks things. [00:56:06] if the project is to best meet everbodies needs (needs we share) then having the end user be as included in the decision making process [00:56:08] helps [00:56:19] like that Rhino3d program i use [00:56:22] Agreed Diogenez [00:56:35] i can propose a idea and i see it happen because i am a end user and the coders have the know how [00:56:36] They do that here to Bran, but probably only because I'm white :-) [00:57:18] LoL [00:57:30] Well, I'm darkskinned and they do it to me still. [00:57:31] *** Joins: JoshStrobl (qwebirc@RBOSE-a1b5eda3.rioaccess.com) [00:57:32] law punishment vs empathy and understanding [00:57:45] neocortex: Uploading the tutorial for you right now. [00:57:50] darkskined isn't that derogatory term? [00:57:51] Puzzling then. [00:57:56] people of color is PC ;) [00:58:01] It could have started as a race slave thing then black people use to call white people "masta". [00:58:21] But the script seems to be flipped now days. [00:58:22] did they take offense to being called masta? [00:58:25] might be good to choose side there, and and then figure out the "why" part [00:58:54] Diogenez: did they take offense to being called masta? <--- I'll have to try that. [00:58:55] LoL [00:59:00] hehe [00:59:16] Try calling people LEVEL 3 TROLLS, it's funny. [00:59:18] Probably the only english word they know around here too. [00:59:29] the slaves says to the master "go pick me some cotton boy!" [00:59:51] I had a pointless conversation with a neighbour earlier and neither of us understood the other, other than he was pointing at a bed.. [01:00:04] BranManFloMore: i imagine it pretty much has the same effect as calling all TZM personel stupid [01:00:07] Then I would reply "If you can pick your nose, then you can pick your own cotton... BOY!" [01:00:08] I found a bed in my front garden see.. so was moving it to the back garden. [01:00:15] Wood should come in handy for making a cycle trailer.. [01:00:56] Next time someone calls me BOSS, I'm going to say "WHAT IT BE LIKE MASTA!?" [01:00:58] * Viper is listening to Sunset Excitement 190 on ETN.fm 2010-04-08 by XiJaro on Sunset Excitement 190 on ETN.fm 2010-04-08 [Amarok2] [01:01:36] In the Hip Hop community, rappers like to refer to themselves as BOSSES too. It seems to be spreading. [01:01:47] mainstream [01:01:53] kalken: BranManFloMore: i imagine it pretty much has the same effect as calling all TZM personel stupid <--- Pretty much. [01:01:57] thanks josh [01:02:00] MainStream indeed. [01:02:01] in t he underground its all about 'the people' [01:02:09] *heading off to work* [01:02:15] work hard! [01:02:19] will do [01:02:24] :D [01:02:27] Then you will see the word "boss" be used as a verb. [01:02:29] Watch... [01:02:33] And remember who told you. [01:02:35] working is pretending [01:02:35] * BranManFloMore jokes [01:02:39] *** Quits: neocortex (neocortex@RBOSE-11a0392b.iinet.net.au) (Client closed the connection) [01:02:45] for instance i am at this temp job and its really relaxed [01:02:48] i surf the net [01:03:03] i do maybe 1.5 hours of work but i am bound to sit here 8 hours [01:04:37] Diogenez: more and more people are doing that. It seems to be spreading ;) [01:05:07] if it were union it would be called striking. so it is a quite form of that? [01:05:13] worker stoppage [01:05:18] slowdown [01:05:25] Here its just called being lazy :-) [01:05:41] or being not overworked [01:05:51] or resitance [01:05:55] Many underwork and still keep their jobs.. [01:06:04] aka the reason the economy is crashing [01:06:04] which isn't very fair on those of us who want to work.. [01:06:25] saving energy for the after party.. [01:07:33] thus leading back to the mating theory [01:07:43] Oh Boy! [01:07:46] * Nanos checks ebay for cheap stuff [01:07:58] cheap stuff can get expensive [01:07:59] in a way its optimizing a system where one's successful if one gives a little, and gets alot [01:08:04] i low ball and craigslist [01:08:09] show up with 1/2 the cash [01:08:24] ya optimization... [01:08:31] I'll try for free, but if that doesn't work.. [01:08:34] people are good at that :) [01:08:39] for better or worse... [01:08:57] "i really had a optimal day a work honey' oh ya what did you do. "about 10 min of work and got payed for 10 [01:09:17] reminds me of Optimus Prime [01:09:29] he had his robot minions do most of the fighting [01:09:35] Well don't worry. Monotous jobs and dirty jobs will be eliminated in the future. [01:09:45] But still... [01:09:56] The lazy questions still comes to my mind. [01:10:01] as bob black says in Abolition of Work [01:10:05] make it play [01:10:17] I think procrastination is natural, so... [01:10:26] Never mind, I'm too lazy to think that out. [01:10:27] http://www.zpub.com/notes/black-work.html [01:10:28] URL Title: THE ABOLITION OF WORK by Bob Black (at www.zpub.com) [01:10:28] * BranManFloMore jokes [01:10:36] hmmm... [01:10:37] * Fat64 laughs :) [01:11:06] That's another thing, people need to know that there is two types of laziness. [01:11:16] Mental laziness and physical laziness. [01:11:19] So... [01:11:23] * Diogenez "The Original Affluent Society." They work a lot less than we do, and their work is hard to distinguish from what we regard as play. Sahlins concluded that "hunters and gatherers work less than we do; and rather than a continuous travail, the food quest is intermittent, leisure abundant, and there is a greater amount of sleep in the daytime per capita per year than in any other condition of society." [01:12:02] maybe people are comfortable, and not just "lazy". I know a lot of people who can work on their spare time, if it means less work in the future [01:12:35] definition of play, the only occasion on which man realizes his complete humanity by giving full "play" to both sides of his twofold nature, thinking and feeling. As he put it: "The animal works when deprivation is the mainspring of its activity, and it plays when the fullness of its strength is this mainspring, when superabundant life is its own stimulus to activity." [01:13:19] kalken: maybe people are comfortable, and not just "lazy". I know a lot of people who can work on their spare time, if it means less work in the future <--- Good point. Just because I like to stay in and play with my instruments doesn't mean I'm lazy, it means I'm enjoying my hobby. [01:14:13] Play and freedom are, as regards production, coextensive. Even Marx, who belongs (for all his good intentions) in the productivist pantheon, observed that "the realm of freedom does not commence until the point is passed where labor under the compulsion of necessity and external utility is required." He never could quite bring himself to identify this happy circumstance as what it is, the abolition of work -- it's rather anomalous, after all, t [01:14:13] yes :) and i bet you could probably do some after hours shitty work, if it ment you could be home a hole day after playing instead [01:14:52] We need children as teachers, not students. They have a lot to contribute to the ludic revolution because they're better at playing than grown-ups are. Adults and children are not identical but they will become equal through interdependence. Only play can bridge the generation gap. [01:14:56] only play [01:15:43] I think I put in more work in my hobbies than I do with my actual job. [01:15:46] Diogenez: i agree on that. Mostly because they have not been subject to a lot of "mental patterns" and accepted them as truth, yet. [01:15:58] *** Quits: JoshStrobl (qwebirc@RBOSE-a1b5eda3.rioaccess.com) (Quit: Page closed) [01:16:16] "Only play can bridge the generation gap." <--- Indeed, especially the adults that never had a childhood due to having a hard knock life. [01:16:27] sleepy time for me folks, nite [01:16:29] *** Parts: Nanos (nanos.org.uk@RBOSE-08e1e52b.bethere.co.uk) [01:16:35] Is it not odd that farm workers toil painfully in the fields while their air-conditioned masters go home every weekend and putter about in their gardens? Under a system of permanent revelry, we will witness the Golden Age of the dilettante which will put the Renaissance to shame. There won't be any more jobs, just things to do and people to do them with. [01:18:04] its hard to define "job". i can for example work for hours on things i'm interested in. Infact i dont really like to just lay around for too long doing nothing [01:18:12] The reinvention of daily life means marching off the edge of our maps. There is, it is true, more suggestive speculation than most people suspect. [01:18:18] either way taht is a good paper [01:18:44] but many seem to define "job" as, something i dont want to do but gets me paid [01:19:57] moo [01:20:05] meow [01:21:26] No one can say what would result from unleashing the creative power stultified by work. Anything can happen. The tiresome debater's problem of freedom vs. necessity, with its theological overtones, resolves itself practically once the production of use-values is coextensive with the consumption of delightful play-activity. [01:21:45] hitler las vegas :D [01:22:08] i printed a 36" x 48" hilter poster yesterday for a friend [01:22:13] i converted it to vectors [01:22:17] and took it to kinkos [01:22:33] we are going to use it for anti sheriff joe graphiti stencils [01:23:05] sherif joe just the symptom of a larger problem of course [01:24:07] ". Indeed, the statement was a clear, unambiguous call for a new kind of movement that recognized that the fight against white supremacy and colonialism transcended the crass and limited opposition to Sheriff Joe Arpaio. " [01:24:11] as my friend wrote [01:24:54] oo [01:25:11] http://oodhamsolidarity.blogspot.com/ [01:25:12] URL Title: O'odham Solidarity Across Borders Collective (at oodhamsolidarity.blogspot.com) [01:26:19] thats my native friends site [01:26:27] their reservation is on both sides of the boarder [01:26:33] and they are constantly margenilzed [01:26:48] they give me seeds [01:27:04] local climatized heirloom traditional seeds [01:27:16] quash beat mellon corn [01:27:17] bean [01:29:09] * Diogenez an attempt to move towards a broader dialog within the movement, to point out perceived errors and to suggest another way of looking at the issue that we think could prove useful. It is, in a way, a statement of some of our common principles but it is not by any means the end of the conversation [01:30:12] ACTION We urge all who support indigenous nations and migrant communities to join us on Saturday May 29th at the National Day of Action Against SB1070 to demand that Border Patrol (BP), Immigration Customs Enforcement (ICE), their parent entity, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and the Obama administration end militarization of the border, end the criminalization of immigrant communities, and end their campaign of terror which tear f [01:30:22] it was fun [01:30:26] we got arrested [01:30:34] and gassed but we made our point [01:31:54] Life will become a game, or rather many games, but not -- as it is now - -- a zero/sum game. An optimal sexual encounter is the paradigm of productive play, The participants potentiate each other's pleasures, nobody keeps score, and everybody wins. The more you give, the more you get. In the ludic life, the best of sex will diffuse into the better part of daily life. Generalized play leads to the libidinization of life. Sex, in turn, can become [01:32:04] * Diogenez No one should ever work. Workers of the world... relax! [01:42:27] aspens shielded from electromagnetic radiation were healthier than those that were not. 'I found that the shielded seedlings produced more growth, longer shoots, bigger leaves, and more total leaf area. The shielded group produced 60 percent more leaf area and 74 percent more shoot length than a mock-shielded group,' [01:42:28] wow [01:42:39] electromagnetic frequencies are arelly fucking up life [01:42:56] cell phones we find are responsable for 36% of bee collony collapse [01:43:11] read that study? [01:44:37] 'Microsoft is totally off the radar of the cool, hip, cutting-edge software developers.' Microsoft has acknowledged that they have lost young developers to the lures of free software. [01:47:01] cell phones and bee colonies being affected, sounds like an interesting read [01:47:09]