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Understanding that this very planetary alignment, combined with the lunar eclipse, so soon after your Solstice -- this is an op [02:00:24] *** Joins: Kebap (kebap@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) [02:03:44] *** Joins: Kebap_ (kebap@RBOSE-5d6c1126.adsl.hansenet.de) [02:05:49] *** Quits: Kebap (kebap@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [02:19:17] *** Quits: Hakufu (asd@RBOSE-7e2be303.bredband.comhem.se) (Client closed the connection) [02:23:15] *** Quits: Buglouse (bug@RBOSE-75aba761.res.rr.com) (Client closed the connection) [02:23:18] *** Joins: Buglouse (bug@RBOSE-75aba761.res.rr.com) [02:28:18] .topic AOSDT / RBEF / RBOSE 2nd Meeting will be at 2nd August between 19:00 to 21:00 UTC on Mumble. Any questions at http://openetherpad.net/riVmHsV1Hq || RBOSE IRC Servers: pest.rbose.org, pms.rbose.org, viper.rbose.org PORT: 6670-6675,6677 SSL: 6697 [02:28:18] *** RBOSE changes topic to 'AOSDT / RBEF / RBOSE 2nd Meeting will be at 2nd August between 19:00 to 21:00 UTC on Mumble. 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[11:45:56] *** Joins: neocortex (neocortex@RBOSE-f6cd1f8b.iinet.net.au) [11:46:02] *** Joins: Hakufu (asd@RBOSE-7e2be303.bredband.comhem.se) [11:50:05] http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=41347195024906280# [11:50:06] URL Title: The Future of Cognitive Computing (at video.google.com) [11:51:04] Good day there neo [11:51:20] What was the gist of the video by the way ? [12:02:20] hi Nanos [12:02:27] sorry ... was grabbing a sandwich [12:03:10] it's just a video on IBM's research with cognitive engineering [12:03:29] and the Blue Brain project ... and henri markram's work [12:03:48] Any key points of interest you remember ? [12:04:17] a simulation of the human brain in 10 years [12:04:27] I remember them saying that 10 years ago :-) [12:04:31] ok [12:04:36] I can see it happening one day though. [12:04:40] ok [12:04:57] i'm watching this one now [12:05:00] http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1640775900931232990# [12:05:01] URL Title: Visions Of The Future (3 of 3) The Quantum Revolution (at video.google.com) [12:05:17] It does interest me that kind of thing, as I want to create something smart myself to help me with my work. [12:05:17] Michio Kaku [12:05:25] i know [12:05:32] we talk about it heaps before [12:05:40] nanos and neo [12:05:48] That and cloning myself :-) [12:05:56] ,reverse nanosandneo [12:05:56] neocortex: oendnasonan [12:05:58] But clones take decades to educate.. [12:06:17] Also would be nice to run off digital copies of my mind as well.. [12:06:31] yes...take a backup everynow and then [12:06:41] I thought the meeting earlier went well by the way, your thoughts ? [12:06:54] Could also allow overclocking of ones mind too.. [12:06:55] it was ok [12:07:01] yes [12:07:25] I was quite pleased at the level of intelligence in the room overall. [12:07:30] of coruse [12:07:34] *course [12:07:38] it was excellent [12:07:44] i think i'm a loner [12:07:59] Whilst people had different approaches to solutions, there was enough common ground to see some work towards these common goals. [12:08:56] I think you was in the minority view, but it was good to see different views allowed. Though I'm not entirely sure where we differ at times! [12:09:43] *** Quits: ebro (qwebirc@RBOSE-c65dd087.c-220.tvnetwork.hu) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [12:09:53] What was your thought on the idea of a news feed on every site detailing news from all the other sites ? [12:11:33] it will help bring us closer together [12:11:47] Agreed. [12:12:12] I reckon we might even be able to get TZM to partake of the idea. [12:12:24] :D [12:12:26] really? [12:12:29] :D [12:12:31] yay [12:12:37] Yes, I think VTV is approachable to that kind of thing, offhand. [12:12:39] now we're talking [12:12:53] I try to wear my diplomatic hat when I'm talking with him. [12:13:01] lol [12:13:08] As at the moment I am on at least talking terms with all groups.. [12:13:15] Even if I@m banned on some of their forums :-) [12:13:21] lol [12:13:45] My interest is in getting all groups to work together on some level, and to tollerate each other more. [12:14:11] One small step such as news feeds would be very symobolic in that direction I can see. [12:14:11] i'm with you on that [12:14:55] Even though I'm not much of a TZM fan, I would be prepaired to have a news feed back their site in exchange for a news feed of my own site on theirs. [12:15:06] Then it would allow users the choice of who to follow so to speak. [12:16:24] sounds good to me [12:16:59] It would give us at least a community of sorts to try and seek agreement on perhaps the most of the easist things to agree on.. [12:18:08] no! [12:18:13] I can see difficulties, for example, what if a racist group wants to be part of the news feed, do we all have to agree 100% for that to thappen, or just 75%/etc. [12:18:16] you don't know what you're talking about! [12:18:33] :D [12:18:35] Do we allow selective news feeds from some sites only ? [12:18:36] I'm funny [12:18:39] (smiles) [12:18:41] lol [12:19:05] At least in princple the majority of groups appear to think its a good idea, it would be nice to see something in common being worked on. [12:19:13] can i tell you what i think [12:19:30] Always [12:19:44] well.. [12:19:48] * Nanos listens [12:20:02] for me...there's enough information... [12:20:27] ...more text and talk and so-on... [12:21:03] ...i think each of us is on a quest [12:21:08] ...to understand [12:21:47] ...for me then [12:22:34] ...i don't want anymore information [12:22:38] ...rss feeds [12:22:43] ...what other's are up to [12:22:48] ...what others think [12:22:57] ...text and talk and on and on and on [12:23:19] forums [12:23:22] chats [12:23:30] ...we already know what needs to be done [12:23:37] ...we already understand [12:24:01] ...the only purpose for organised group activity is for that purpose and nothing else [12:24:04] ...organization [12:24:09] ...control [12:24:14] . [12:24:17] there [12:24:22] that's what i think [12:24:24] :| [12:25:03] but... [12:25:07] ...for other people... [12:25:18] I find most people don't know what others are up to. [12:25:22] ...organised groups is prbably awesome [12:25:28] you're right [12:25:54] But to me, its more than just the news service, its something, anything that all groups can work on thats a joint project, it will help foster a good relationship. [12:26:05] And allow something to be built, which could be expanded upon in the future. [12:26:52] It would be nice to see some kind of cooperative working that doesn't involve any one group dictating to another. [12:27:03] impossible [12:27:07] Perhaps. [12:27:21] I would at least like to explore the possibility. [12:27:32] the only project that can work is the purely open project that is RBOSE [12:27:47] Perhaps... [12:27:55] and anti-RBOSE too [12:28:14] When I see clean toilet seats, then I will know its working :-) [12:28:19] lol [12:28:24] same here [12:28:41] :) [12:28:56] I estimate within 5 years I will be able to move and work with someone else intent on community building efforts here. [12:29:03] At the moment we are located 200 miles apart. [12:29:03] don't get me wrong ... i support the ventrue 100% [12:29:26] I find it useful we have differing views so that you may spot my mistakes. [12:29:38] awesome [12:29:41] yes [12:29:47] I expect to make mistakes, and it interests me to listen to others tell me about them. [12:29:53] yes [12:30:03] beware the one with answers [12:30:10] he is a dark spirit [12:30:23] Many have answers, the trick is to try and figure out whose right :-) [12:30:30] lol [12:30:32] yeh [12:30:34] That seems to require intelligence.. [12:30:44] def [12:30:55] Even so, I reckon there are probably somethings I will be blind to. [12:31:19] for sure [12:31:25] Hence its important always listen, even if one disagrees to try and spot when one is making a serious error. (basically if everyone says its a bad idea, maybe its a bad idea!) [12:32:56] listening is key to everything [12:33:15] that's why the ents were so awesome [12:34:02] there are differnt kinds of people i guess [12:34:15] that required different kinds of group access [12:34:34] some people need group interaction [12:36:33] some more some less [12:38:48] I saw someone mention on the Atlas forum about using adverts to generate an income easily, that interested me. [12:39:04] I fancy trying that on my lottery prediction site, as a way to gain an income without it even working! [12:39:43] lol [12:39:45] I had a thought to make free accounts so to speak come with adverts, but once you have won anything and paid part of your winnings over, you automatically become advert free access for life. [12:40:00] lol [12:40:12] no comment [12:40:19] That way, regulars are not annoyed by the adverts, and it is a slight incentive to pay up a small amount. [12:40:21] (smiles) [12:40:30] :) [12:40:48] Even if its a little income, it could well make the difference between head above water and drowning in debt. [12:40:54] I do hate adverts myself.. [12:40:56] :( [12:41:03] please don't drown nanos [12:41:37] I'm trying not to, cut most expenses to almost nothing, only item left this month is cheapest telephone and ADSL connection, that will save a bit more. [12:42:14] We might then be only a very short distance from the balance point. [12:42:34] awesome [12:42:49] Hence why building the solar vehicle is also important, as that would make a big difference to funds being saved, as its quite expensive to travel by bus here, so free transport would help. [12:43:43] If the lottery prediction site can make an income without needing adverts, then I'll take the adverts off, but I can see it could help in the very early stages when there is no income. [12:44:20] That is basically what I suggested to Atlas as well, that they could use adverts as a tempoary basis for income, and stop doing it later when its not needed. [12:46:19] Having a little bit of spare money (We (As in myself and my girlfriend.) was working today on a budget, 10% of surplus income going towards treats.) would mean I could start work on my fusion research. [12:46:48] US fusion research reckon they are 2 years away from successful results, it would be nice to make some progress there myself before the subject becomes common place.. [12:47:30] :D [12:48:34] Talking with a few folk on the conspiracy science forums shows me the need to achieve some highly technical achievement to show I can be taken seriously. [12:49:24] eg. something that is well documented, and approved by world accepted experts as worthy/etc. [12:50:13] It would also be nice to prove said experts a little wrong if I can :-) [12:50:24] As some of my theories conflict with their majority ones.. [12:50:32] :) [12:50:48] They aren't necessarly my theories, I spotted a few others talking about them, and they tweaked my interest to know if they are right or not. [12:50:59] And the only way to find out is to build something according to their theories and test it :-) [12:51:13] Most people aren't doing that, because the majority view is it cannot possibly work, so why bother.. [12:51:36] I prefer to explore uncharted space as its more interesting and challanging. [12:51:52] yes [12:52:02] Plus, if you may discover something more easily as so few are in the same area. [12:53:04] There are perhaps less than 100 people I estimate on the entire planet who think that the approach I'm taking might work. [12:53:37] The top scientists, whilst they disagree about such an approach, are at least mostly helpful in advice about how to do it, even though they don't think it will work. [12:54:21] Interestingly, I notice on the whole that anyone that usually comes up with the idea of doing things that way, is told early on it won't work and not to bother, often quite sternly.. and as such, they don't go that route. [12:54:36] Me, being somewhat pigheaded and stubbon, thank them for their input and blindly continue onwards :-) [12:55:00] I prefer to test things to find out what works best. [12:55:12] lol [12:56:23] At least I have most of the majority components I'm after. [12:56:59] Very much a shoestring budget to put it all together though.. [12:57:09] Plus a steep learning curve.. [12:57:22] Plenty of oppertunity for fun :-) [12:59:01] It also tickles me to the idea of perhaps if I can make one small enough, of using it for silly purposes like as headlights on my vehicle being miniature fusion reactors :-) [12:59:15] lol [12:59:17] classic [12:59:25] 2 trillion candle power.. [13:00:24] "I'm sorry officer, I cannot turn them off as the fuel lasts 2,000 years.." :-) [13:02:27] has yesterday meeting been uploaded sowmhere? [13:02:29] somwhere* [13:02:39] Dunno the answer to that one myself. [13:05:33] okays [13:05:39] lol [13:05:43] kebap-: you recorded right? [13:05:47] !hug neocortex [13:05:48] * RBOSE hugs neocortex for GhettoTux and hopes that neocortex enjoys it. :) [13:05:52] hey sweetheart [13:05:53] !hug GhettoTux [13:05:54] * RBOSE hugs GhettoTux for neocortex and hopes that GhettoTux enjoys it. :) [13:05:57] :D [13:06:34] either kebap or viper recorded [13:06:36] i think viper [13:06:43] anyway josh will know [13:06:48] i think both did [13:06:57] josh has the answer to evertyihng [13:07:03] neocortex: did you listen to the entire meeting? [13:07:09] most of it [13:07:13] about 2 hours [13:07:25] I wish the meetings was in text only.. easier to record.. [13:07:32] I got in and out from time to time... felt like there were a lot of talk about how RBEF would handle money? [13:07:43] Nanos: yeah [13:07:55] We should do a really good meetingbot [13:08:05] so it can be moderated correctly [13:13:41] text based meetings would be beter for me as well since clearly i'm still having problems with my soundcard in linux [13:20:33] I find it puzzling how we spend all week chatting via IRC, then when there is a meeting, we suddenly use voice :-) [13:20:52] voice makes it hard to search recordings for key interesting points, voice makes it hard for everyone to talk at once. [13:21:08] And there are from time to time, issues with getting mics to work.. [13:21:44] I think there is perhaps a tendancy to use techhnology beyond the need of it. [13:21:54] true [13:22:07] If we had video chat, I'm sure we would all use that :-) [13:22:13] Nanos: we should write up some frameworks on how it should be done [13:22:28] Like, TZM DVD's info that could be in text format and take up a 3.1/2 floppy instead.. [13:23:14] I have suggested countless times to countless groups the benefits in text meetings, but no one takes any notice.. [13:23:59] Nanos: well, as you say... technology has a tendancy to take prio before functionality [13:24:21] I wish I knew how one might get folk to use the most efficient solutions. [13:24:23] also, text meetings is a pain with a lot of people... not that voice isn't [13:24:40] but it would be nice to have a meeting bot who handle ques etc with question [13:24:56] Perhaps better text chat options might encourage more folk to use it. [13:24:59] Nanos: you do it by writing good frameworks [13:25:18] I'm not sure there is much to add to a framework other than to say, use text intstead of voice :-) [13:25:29] ;) [13:25:38] the KISS approach :-) [13:25:38] I mean framework for the entire meeting [13:25:48] Isn't that getting beyond the issue ? [13:26:00] eg. the issue is only, rather than do voice, type what you would say instead. [13:26:02] Well no I don't think so [13:26:25] The main reason I would use voice is that it is easier to moderate [13:26:28] It would be nice to have some kind of framework, but I see that as seperate issue besides whether it should be voice, text, video/etc. [13:26:45] Easier in the sense of not having to type ? [13:26:52] I can imagine not everyone is a 70wpm touch typist.. [13:27:05] I saw that issue at college, people would spend 4 hours doing their homework as they coudln't type.. [13:27:10] easier in the sense people tend not to talk while someone else talk [13:27:14] As such, as student leader I got free typing lessons for all! [13:27:16] you only got one sbject running at the time [13:27:52] Nanos: that's good [13:27:56] Isn't that a bad thing though, as it doesn't allow forking of ideas spun off from the current talk ? [13:28:07] I have no idea how fast i write... is there a webtest somewhere? :) [13:28:22] probably, I've not checked my speed for ages as ican type as fast as I can talk! [13:28:24] Nanos: that depends on the meaning of the meeting [13:28:43] True, but I tend to notice that meetings that don't allow that, miss out on ideas that could be beneficial. [13:28:46] I can probobly force myself to tlak faster, but usually i tend to use the same pace as i write :) [13:28:59] Nanos: true [13:29:11] what you do is to set a bot. [13:29:52] before meeting "key" talkers get voiced by default, channel goes to +m and as soon as you got somethin to say you do /msg bot time [13:29:55] or something [13:30:26] open discussion is another thing [13:30:43] but inromative meetings and presentations [13:31:06] In real person to person meetings, I often note people sitting next to each other talking to each other during the meeting exchanging information. [13:31:18] I always used to try and position myself so I could overhear everyone at once.. [13:31:45] I tended to find that at such times, there was a high value of discussion and ideas being thrown around that most others missed out on. [13:31:56] One way to solve that is threaded chat. [13:32:15] That way, the main chat is not side tracted, but people can still chat about related items. [13:36:52] Nanos: haha i haven't thought about where I sit in meetings but now when you say it you are definetly right... I tend to be able to formulate better questions if I listen in on the people around me... which is quite obvious :) [13:39:17] I find a horseshoe arrangement works best with one in the middle so to speak. (I have a tendancy to go in advance and rearrange the seating to this end..) [13:40:46] Text also means you don't miss what someone just said because you was busy chatting to someone next to you.. [13:41:03] true [13:41:09] And text would mean you could chat to everyone, not just those next to you like in a physical meeting. [13:41:35] Also solves the issue of accents being difficult to understand and choppy sound. [13:41:44] And when your called away from the keyboard and miss something said. [13:42:03] I have seen voice work well when only one person can talk and the rest type. [13:42:31] But generally only in meetings of low importance that notes are not needed to be taken by whoever is speaking of little importance. [13:42:36] *** Quits: dLrG-Lap (Lotuz@RBOSE-e1620803.bredband.skanova.com) (Connection closed) [13:42:49] Once you need to take notes, there is a lot of duplicated effort going on. [13:43:20] reinventing the wheel so to speak :) [13:43:28] Indeed. [13:43:42] I like to drive effiency by reducing duplicated efforts I spot in many areas. [13:43:58] Why have 10 people doing the same thing when only 1 person needs to do it and share the results. [13:44:34] ONe thing we all could do is to set up a Cisco conferance solution each, that way we might as well just sit next to eachother ;) [13:44:44] Is one reason I see faults in businesses competing against each other, as both replicate each others work, when if they worked together, they could double their productivity overnight! [13:48:40] true [13:48:54] that is impossible in a money based economy though ;) [13:49:51] unless they buy the competetitor [13:50:55] True [13:51:08] That is my aim, buy out all the competitors.. [13:51:14] I see the same problem inside the company I work for though [13:51:20] You know Telenor? [13:51:29] Yes, I had a friend called that once :-) [13:51:55] :) [13:52:11] anyway, i work with mobile broadband [13:52:14] in norway [13:52:17] but come from sweden [13:52:30] My hope is that a profit sharing company might encourage more cooperative behaviour between staff. [13:52:34] * Nanos goes back to listening [13:52:36] sweden released working drivers and everything for windows 7 [13:52:53] telenor norway didn't manage to get drivers out until 6months after win 7 released [13:53:27] Makes me think of Sony who charges $50 for its drivers for some of its laptops.. [13:53:29] telenor sweden hired one company do make the drivers and telenor norway another. [13:53:37] woah [13:54:00] they should just payed a bit more and get norweigian translation of the program telenor sweden did [13:54:08] But there is no communication between the brnaches [13:54:12] and i see that in all stagges [13:54:20] * Nanos shakes head in disbeleaf [13:54:36] from first line support to high p top executatives [13:54:53] Where I used to work, they had two databases for the same data, by two different departments.. [13:54:56] My dream job would be to work with internal communications between the branches and offices [13:55:08] One supplised the data on CD, one supplied it online.. [13:55:13] haha [13:55:42] The database was small enough to actually fit on a credit card sized computer.. [13:55:50] :) [13:56:03] I suggested one of those be stuck on the end of each filing cabinet row.. [13:56:14] Each 4 acre floor of filing had one PC.. [13:56:22] So queues developed.. [13:56:37] how many years ago? [13:56:42] I speeded things up by copying the CD version to the HD... [13:56:48] 6 years now. [13:57:03] still 2004 shouldn't have had that problem [13:57:07] I also asked for permission to put the databse on my mobile phone, but they said no. [13:58:00] I even suggested a walkie talkie system so you could ask someone else to look it up for you, but no.. [13:58:17] God it was so hard to get them to improve effiency! [13:58:33] beurocrats ;) [13:58:43] Yep :-) [13:58:49] We used to have to file 4 million items a year.. [13:59:44] sounds like a lot with only one comp per floor :) [13:59:51] Yep, silly eh! [14:00:02] unless you had like 8 million floors :P [14:00:04] I improved things when I was manager by getting some extra computers out of the trash of another department.. [14:00:21] 8 floors, so half a million filings per floor, I was in charge of one floor for 4 months. [14:01:07] was this filing what the company made money on? [14:01:08] I changed things from being 2 weeks behind on filing to being so up to date, Ihad to force staff to go home half an hour early as all th ework was done! [14:01:14] Yes. [14:01:41] haha wierd how it is like that [14:01:50] That was just working within the system, I reckon I could have improved things hugely if I had been allowed to impliment all the changes suggested to me by others. [14:02:09] As a manager, I found it easy, just listen to suggestions by my staff! [14:02:22] I saw my role as fixing their problems.. [14:02:47] I even had time to wander around and help other departments :-) [14:03:06] The problem I find mostly for myself when I work are how I can easily go to Person Y with my problem and it is fixed in an instance [14:03:19] but the routine says i got to go to my closest leader [14:03:31] which smirks since there is no benefit for him to do anything [14:03:33] Yes, I used to get told off for that, being told I wasn't a team player.. [14:03:44] But customers loved that approach.. [14:03:54] so does the higher ups [14:03:55] I used to fix problems for the most annoyed customers. [14:04:03] take own initiative is liked as long as you don't fuck it up :) [14:04:08] As I'd fix it personally, and not pass the buck to someone else. [14:04:15] Indeed.. [14:04:40] I think it can work if the closest leader actually does something.. [14:04:52] Where I was, most of those was lazy so and so's.. [14:05:37] If you could just sack all the lazy people, I think many companies would improve hugely. [14:05:52] *** Joins: paxton (pax@RBOSE-82a1bb9f.dip.t-dialin.net) [14:05:52] lol [14:05:54] But you would probably have to work undercover to spot who are the really lazy people. [14:06:06] lol [14:06:06] hey [14:06:07] As many are skilled in looking not lazy when they are.. [14:06:11] hey paxton [14:06:12] Good day paxton. [14:06:28] hey pax [14:06:35] Where I worked once, a manual job, one guy came into work in a white tracksuit, and left at the end of the day without a mark on it.. [14:07:13] skills :) [14:07:39] One guy I knew used to sleep practically all day on top of a tall filing cabinet so no one would spot him! [14:07:42] dirt is a waste of energy ;) [14:07:47] if my work would lay off all the lazy people only the swedes and the asians would be left ;) [14:07:54] I made it my business to listen and report these kind of things.. [14:08:05] lol [14:08:08] Sounds about right Tux :-) [14:08:46] I even reported the assistant IT security guy to the head of IT security for breaking their own security rules... [14:09:00] He wasn't happy about that :-) [14:09:14] it is a tough thing to do. [14:09:17] As you can see, I can have trouble making friends at times.. [14:09:32] I especially hate it when people higher up aren't doing what they are supposed to.. [14:09:42] I see a lot of "wrongings" at work, but I would never report one of my own level (which is a wierd kind of loyalty) [14:09:53] I would report my bosses though since they effect everyone arond me [14:10:07] I report higher up,and have a word with people on my own level to improve or else.. [14:10:20] i'm an anarchist even at work [14:10:37] i read "antichrist" [14:10:41] :| [14:10:43] ha [14:10:45] HAHA [14:10:48] and nodded my head ;) [14:10:49] I tended to find most don't take any notice and just continue as before.. [14:10:49] you're killing me [14:10:52] lol [14:10:59] lol [14:11:06] * Nanos wonders how one is one of those at work.. [14:11:17] i do what needs to be done [14:11:29] not what they tell me to do [14:11:33] Usually its quite difficult I notice to get fired these days, even if your late every day for a month! [14:11:37] my boss appreciates it [14:11:47] I suppose I do that.. [14:11:59] nanos if you get a job here it is almost impossibelk to get fired [14:12:03] My manager used to say to me, do whatever you need to do get the job done. [14:12:10] lol [14:12:21] I tried to once, I took 40 days off ill and still they didn't do anything but tell me not to be ill again! [14:12:22] i make babies at work [14:12:25] one collegue of mine even started a first fight [14:12:28] and didn't get kicked out [14:12:33] and he sucks at his work [14:12:37] oh no [14:13:16]