[00:00:51] *** Joins: Cybernix (qwebirc@RBOSE-cb20395c.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [00:04:40] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@A96332.5202BD.8ADBDD.933117) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [00:17:18] *** Quits: Cybernix (qwebirc@RBOSE-cb20395c.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [00:23:17] *** Joins: kman (kman@RBOSE-6e0fb954.bredband.skanova.com) [00:33:52] *** Joins: Buglouse (bug@RBOSE-75aba761.res.rr.com) [00:37:24] *** Quits: Buglouse (bug@RBOSE-75aba761.res.rr.com) (Quit: Buglouse) [00:41:54] buggaloo [00:42:01] sorry Nanos I'm not sure [00:42:04] there has been meetings and stuff [00:42:10] I have not had time to attend really [00:44:08] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu5UVpLvGck [00:44:09] You4Tube 2[Title] Mos Def - Life Is Good (The New Track/Video) 2[Category] Music 2[Duration] 0:04:15 2[Views] 250228 2[Rating] 4.93 2[Uploaded] 2009-02-16 2[Description] From DJ Deckstream's album. Beautiful track. [00:44:14] :D [00:51:47] Same here, been very busy too :-( [00:52:00] I can relate. [00:52:19] Girlfriend hurt her ankle, so spent virtually all day at the hospital to find out there was nothing broken.. [00:52:34] that of course will screw with our finances as well with her unable to go to work at the moment. [00:52:54] So looking around on Ebay for a cheap wheelchair and asking in various places for a free one. [00:53:13] At least we had a free crutch we got a while ago! (Found dumped with rubbish in our front garden..) [00:53:36] ugh ok [00:53:38] I also noticed a lack of wheelchairs in the hospital itself.. seems strange when they are cheaply available on ebay.. [00:53:52] how cheap? [00:53:55] So I suggested earlier in a hospital chat room to management to consider the idea. [00:54:04] бё10 each roughly the cheapest seem to go for. [00:54:07] whoa [00:54:27] yeah but companies don't like to buy single things from auctions/second hand [00:54:30] they like bulk [00:54:57] But the cost savings though.. maybe they will except donated wheelchairs.. [00:55:13] Though I could imagine they must meet minimum standards and if not be thrown out the back into a skip.. [00:55:23] yep [00:55:38] I remember where I worked before in govermment they refused to replace equipment that cost бё25, but happily spent millions on equipment we didn't need.. [00:56:01] I offered to even spend my own money, but they said no, then I suggested an anon donation of equipment, that was a no too.. [00:56:39] In the end I found old pieces of equipment in the rubbish bins and fixed the equipment myself by hand using whatever I could find, eg. string and cellotape.. (Yes very sophicated for fixing electronic equipment..) [00:56:44] *** Quits: DerAKTIVist (DerAKTIVist-Z@RBOSE-3737bb3b.adsl.alicedsl.de) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [00:57:17] *** Joins: Cybernix (qwebirc@RBOSE-cb20395c.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [00:57:33] Also some of our equipment magically overnight got swapped with stuff found in bins elsewhere.. [00:57:54] It was such hard work to get working equipment. [00:58:01] So I could see a simlar problem in hospitals. [00:58:17] I noticed the wheels in their new beds are of a poor design as well. (What is it modern designs being shit!) [01:01:24] *** Quits: Cybernix (qwebirc@RBOSE-cb20395c.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [01:01:32] And of course, the service rather sucked.. (They refused to admit her to hospital even.) Only after complaining did we actually get a doctor to look at her X-Rays. (We never saw a doctor at all in person..) [01:02:09] Of course, having googled first, there seemed a 85% chance she hadn't broken her ankle and going to hospital would be a waste of time and money.. [01:03:06] Remins me of when I broke my foot once, and waited 6 hours for them to say yes, it probably was broken... go home and rest it, I waited 6 hours for that! (Hence I don't really bother going to hospital unless its something they can actually be useful for..) [01:03:18] Once I get my fusion reactor running, we could even do our own X-Rays :-) [01:03:31] Now, maybe thats a useful service to supply to the local illegal immigrant community :-) [01:04:56] Talking of which, some of our neighbours was in the news lately having got removed by immigration the last few weeks, so less queue in the bathroom! [01:05:20] And I'm down to only 2 mattresses to cut and throw away from the garden.. [01:05:42] Two TV's though have appeared, I assume they are thrown away, but maybe they are just sitting there for collection by someone else.. [01:06:04] TV's and microwave ovens I hear are good for parts for high voltage experiments, if only I knew how to take them apart safely. [01:06:08] yes [01:06:23] microwave ovens have: 2000Volt transformers, high voltage capacitor [01:06:48] Any handy hints on taking them apart safely ? the ovens that is for parts. [01:07:03] the oven, be sure to short circuit everything [01:07:06] very carefully [01:07:11] so there is not a charge left [01:07:17] I'm not sure how to do that. [01:07:26] well the most dangerous part is the capacitor [01:07:33] Hence why I've not touched doing that kind of thing. [01:07:34] so short circuit that one :) [01:07:59] just take a plastic handle screwdriver [01:08:02] that you feel saafe with [01:08:08] -a [01:08:24] So, by short circuit, you mean touch each electrical connection of a part with the others from the same part ? [01:08:31] yes [01:08:40] since that capacitor should only have two connections it should be easy [01:08:46] I hope you can recognize it [01:09:14] Whilst your here and answering questions, I got some CCTV cameras which had flashing LED's, faulty. I soldered the LED's that was flashing to short circuit them, was this the correct procedure to do ? [01:09:45] flashing LED's. maybe because they had glitchy connection [01:09:54] and then you should have increase the solder on the connections I guess [01:10:02] They got water on them. [01:10:03] but I don't know why they were flashing :) [01:10:04] oh [01:10:06] yikes [01:10:07] So much for waterproof cameras.. [01:10:19] then maybe the integrity of the board was compromised [01:10:19] I did ask on a few electronic forums, but no one answered me.. [01:10:34] did everything else work on the camera? [01:10:53] I did my best to dry out the boards, and some of the LED's work, but not all, but some flashed, they don't now since I soldered them, but whether that was the correct solution or not I don't know! [01:10:54] Yes. [01:11:15] The LED#s was the main part that got dipped in the water so the speak, the camera part itself was further away from the water source. [01:11:20] ok ok [01:11:26] you could have just replaced the LED [01:11:38] I was concered that soldering the LED's might cause something to overheat and catch fire/etc. [01:11:44] I'd need replacements to do that :-) [01:11:53] I needed a zero cost solution :-) [01:11:55] hehe LED's grow on trees ;) [01:12:00] old discarded electronics [01:12:24] I didn't have any infrared LED's spare laying around in my bits N pieces boxes. [01:12:30] I do tend to hoard things.. [01:12:38] infrared! [01:12:49] Yep. [01:12:57] at our lab at school I found a lot of discarded UV and IR leds. [01:13:02] discarded :/ [01:13:03] So I can watch people trying to steal my solar car at night :-) [01:13:07] haha =) [01:13:15] good [01:13:23] ah right you're nanos [01:13:24] *** Quits: Hermann (nicklas@RBOSE-735eebf1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [01:13:25] I forgot [01:13:25] More so to catch people dumping rubbish inthe garden though :-( [01:13:31] (smiles) [01:13:35] damn people :) [01:13:51] But I imagine as the car takes shape, the urge to steal it, or parts of it would increase. [01:14:13] Hence why there are several cameras with alarm monitored software watching it. [01:14:21] And a wacking great big chain to a ground anchor in the concrete. [01:14:34] I remember the chain alone weighs something like 12kg.. [01:14:41] *** Joins: neocortex (neocortex@RBOSE-bd5c1d12.nxg.net.au) [01:14:53] And I went for a combo lock to stop people trying to bung up the keyhole, it ian't got one! [01:14:57] Welcome neo! [01:15:05] hi Nanos...thanks [01:15:10] Its also not a combo one I've been able to pick myself either. [01:15:19] coffee? [01:15:21] As most I can. [01:15:23] *makes coffee* [01:15:26] do you live in a dangerous corner of the city? [01:15:30] yes [01:15:32] On a diet here.. no coffee for me thanks :-) [01:15:37] ok [01:15:37] Least dangerious.. [01:15:39] neocortex: I'll take one :) [01:15:41] But still crime ridden :-( [01:15:42] I live on the edge of life. [01:15:47] *makes Fat a coffee* [01:15:58] Nanos: ok:/ [01:16:02] I'm at a window [01:16:09] it's a long way down [01:16:25] Worked out our new budget for food this week, we are on a packet of peanuts for monday to friday, and for me, tuna sandwhiches on weekend, tuna and baked potato for my belovered, plus yogarts. [01:16:52] there you go Fat64...*hands fat super-strong yummy coffee* [01:17:05] ooho yes [01:17:10] *buries head in work* [01:17:10] We must be on a diet for 3 months as we are too fat for the car :-) [01:17:24] About 50lbs over the weight limit for the tyres.. [01:17:27] black as the sky on a moonless night [01:17:33] :) [01:17:44] I weigh so little it's redonkolous [01:17:57] she's a perfect 10 [01:17:57] I remember weighing in at what was it now, 42lb at 13 years old. [01:18:02] but she wears a 12 [01:18:22] Its interesting that I've gone from underweight to overweight.. [01:18:36] At least now I know how to help people gain weight! give them lots of money to afford MdDonalds.. [01:18:40] hm :o [01:19:10] I was listening to a load of wealthy folk complaining about how them being fat is so bad for their health the other day.. [01:19:32] And my diabetic friend is now at 26 stone, up from 25 stone last year.. and he is supposed to be on a diet.. [01:20:05] Another, slightly older friend, had a stroke at 50 something, cannot speak anything more than single words now. [01:20:11] And cannot read. [01:20:18] that stroke takes its toll [01:20:21] He got overweight. [01:20:21] sounds bad man [01:20:37] Yep, I had hoped it would be a wake up lesson for my other friend, but he doesn't seem to take these things seriously at all. [01:20:47] What can you do. [01:20:55] get new friends. :T [01:20:59] less stubborn [01:21:04] Hard to find those.. [01:21:09] yap [01:21:11] find students :) [01:21:18] Another friend died last week from cancer. [01:21:33] Young blonde big boobed students :-) [01:21:47] I think those are in short supply too.. [01:22:15] so many cancerdeaths [01:22:19] mm yep =) [01:22:22] Though I think smaller would be better for friend, or otherwise ones attention would be constantly focused away from ones current train of thought.. [01:22:31] Well, I think I read that 1/3 of everyone dies from cancer. [01:22:56] My dad had it last year, they operated and he appears cancer free. [01:23:16] how does he feel? [01:23:21] can he still do stuff [01:23:27] My mum had to look after him in hospital (They are both in their 70's) as the nurses had neglected to do so. [01:23:50] okay [01:23:51] I think he is basically healed now a year later and can do everything he can before, it was lets see, bowel cancer I think. [01:24:15] He had infections in the wounds and they wasn't cleaning them, redressing them. [01:24:23] Its like we live in some 3rd world country at times here.. [01:26:18] Moved the servers here this week, its much cooler here now! down from 32c to 26c [01:26:50] Much more livable, and of course, less electric consumed, as such I've been able to overclock my PC a little to get more ommph from it. [01:27:20] Now I just need to change my ISP to a cheaper one and we'll have cut our costs to the bone here. [01:27:54] oh [01:27:55] I somehow imagine that process will take ages and be far from painless. [01:27:57] 32c is a lot =) [01:28:08] but we had 40c in our last flat [01:28:08] Yep, rose to 46c during the height of summer.. [01:28:10] oh x) [01:28:14] 46 is not ok :D [01:28:22] At least it might have killed off the bedbugs :-) [01:28:33] I hear they die off at 50c.. [01:28:46] ^__^ [01:29:00] I hope the cockroaches keep out, saw one in the bathroom earlier.. [01:29:05] :| [01:29:08] Room is pretty well sealed up to stop them getting in again.. [01:29:12] all we have is silver fishes [01:29:25] or vvery small spiders [01:29:27] cockroaches, bedbugs, mice and rats are the most common here. [01:29:38] Catch around 100+ a year of mice in the traps. [01:29:45] you need cts [01:29:47] cats* [01:29:52] Not allowed pets.. [01:30:01] There are cats in the garden though, neighbour ones. [01:30:10] they seem to soak up the rats.. [01:30:54] They was coming into the rooms downstairs through the rotten floorboards until the boards finally got replaced. [01:31:10] Sometimes you see a mouse on the stairs if your lucky :-) [01:31:32] My door here has 2 layers of sealing strip around it to try and keep such things out.. [01:31:49] And I've plugged all the gaps in teh floorboards. [01:31:56] And never open the windows.. [01:32:14] *** Quits: warpi1 (bengt@RBOSE-91bdff7c.cust.telenor.se) (Quit: Leaving.) [01:32:15] Can't wait to move someplace with less pests! [01:32:28] Sweden. :) [01:32:35] I wonder what New Zealand will be like [01:32:36] you guys are so noisy... [01:32:41] australia has so much pests [01:32:42] I'm trying to concentrate [01:32:43] (smiles) [01:32:43] EVIL spiders. [01:32:44] :| [01:32:54] neocortex, you gave me coffee!! this is what you get :D [01:32:57] *dances on table* [01:32:58] lol [01:33:00] Yeah, I remember my uncle telling me about a friend of his who got bit on the bottom by one on the toilet and died. [01:33:07] :| [01:33:11] and fucking died :( [01:33:13] *returns to work* [01:33:23] 01:33 AM [01:33:26] time for sleep. [01:33:28] all the love [01:33:42] nity nite [01:33:53] sleep for me too soon. [01:36:53] *** Quits: kman (kman@RBOSE-6e0fb954.bredband.skanova.com) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [01:40:35] *** Quits: hakufu (hakufu@RBOSE-7e2be303.bredband.comhem.se) (Quit: Leaving) [01:42:00] hey nanos [01:42:07] Hi there Billll [01:42:16] what [01:42:33] what what ? [01:42:38] you checkout anticultists blog? [01:42:45] Not recently, whats new on it ? [01:43:21] http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/08/10/who-is-peter-joseph-part-3-charles-robinson/ [01:43:22] URL Title: Who is Peter Joseph part 3: Charles Robinson ╚ Zeitgeist is a mind heist venus project is a scam ? (at anticultist.wordpress.com) [01:43:37] Thanks. [01:44:39] I wish PJ would do a DVD on how to make money instead :-) [01:45:55] Hahaha I died [01:45:57] this is so good [01:45:57] http://i.imgur.com/YM7qd.jpg [01:47:51] *** Joins: DerAKTIVist (DerAKTIVist-Z@RBOSE-409327c5.adsl.alicedsl.de) [01:50:48] sleepy time for me, nite all. [01:50:52] *** Quits: Nanos (nanos.org.uk@RBOSE-08e1e52b.bethere.co.uk) (Quit: Leaving.) [02:10:40] *** Joins: Jkr (qwebirc@RBOSE-02889560.cpe.netcabo.pt) [02:11:23] *** Quits: Jkr (qwebirc@RBOSE-02889560.cpe.netcabo.pt) (Quit: Page closed) [02:19:38] *** Quits: Billll_ (qwebirc@RBOSE-94aeb33c.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [02:25:54] ,quote random [02:25:54] GhettoTux: Quote #48: "Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated. ~ Confucius" (added by dns at 05:41 PM, August 04, 2010) [02:25:59] ,quote random [02:25:59] GhettoTux: Quote #58: "I'm as mad as Hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore! ~ Howard Beale" (added by Kebap at 09:38 PM, August 04, 2010) [02:26:08] ,quote random [02:26:09] GhettoTux: Quote #98: "Action: the last resource of those who know not how to dream. ~ Oscar Wilde" (added by dns at 12:36 AM, August 06, 2010) [02:26:24] ,quote random [02:26:24] GhettoTux: Quote #29: "Linux is not a product Б─■ it's a process. ~ Ian Murdock" (added by dns at 02:30 AM, August 04, 2010) [02:26:30] ,quote random [02:26:30] GhettoTux: Quote #66: "One starts an action simply because one must do something. ~ T. S. Eliot" (added by dns at 11:49 PM, August 04, 2010) [02:26:37] ,quote random [02:26:37] GhettoTux: Quote #33: "Text might not be the optimal means to commuicate emotions but over vast distances it is better than silence. ~ GhettoTux" (added by dns at 01:49 PM, August 04, 2010) [02:26:44] ^^ [02:26:51] ,quote random [02:26:51] GhettoTux: Quote #105: "We must do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of (1 more message) [02:27:09] hmm uncomplete quote? [02:27:18] Anyone who know the rest? [02:27:23] ,quote get 106 [02:27:23] GhettoTux: Quote #106: "There's no present. There's only the immediate future and the recent past. ~ George Carlin" (added by dns at 02:19 PM, August 08, 2010) [02:27:35] ,quote random [02:27:35] GhettoTux: Quote #68: "Technology means the systematic application of scientific or other organized knowledge to practical tasks. ~ J. K. Galbraith" (added by dns at 11:56 PM, August 04, 2010) [02:27:44] ,quote random [02:27:44] GhettoTux: Quote #31: "It's surprising how many persons go through life without ever recognizing that their feelings toward other people are largely determined by their feelings toward themselves, and if you're not comfortable within yourself, you can't be comfortable with others. ~ Sydney J. Harris" (added by dns at 01:29 PM, August 04, 2010) [02:28:02] ,quote random [02:28:02] GhettoTux: Quote #47: "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. ~ Albert Einstein" (added by GhettoTux at 05:39 PM, August 04, 2010) [02:28:13] ,quote random [02:28:13] GhettoTux: Quote #19: "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. ~ Albert Einstein" (added by dns at 11:00 PM, August 03, 2010) [02:28:22] ,quote random [02:28:22] GhettoTux: Quote #71: "Science is the attempt to make the chaotic diversity of our sense-experience correspond to a logically uniform system of thought. ~ Albert Einstein" (added by dns at 12:04 AM, August 05, 2010) [02:28:36] ,quote random [02:28:36] GhettoTux: Quote #44: "Change we can believe in ~ Barack Obama" (added by JoshStrobl at 05:34 PM, August 04, 2010) [02:28:43] ,quote get 100 [02:28:43] GhettoTux: Quote #100: "Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear. ~ Ambrose Redmoon" (added by GhettoTux at 12:57 AM, August 06, 2010) [02:29:03] ,quote get 101 [02:29:03] GhettoTux: Quote #101: "Courage is the most important of all the virtues, because without courage you can't practice any other virtue consistently. You can practice any virtue erratically, but nothing consistently without courage. ~ Maya Angelou" (added by dns at 01:02 AM, August 06, 2010) [02:35:22] GhettoTux: [02:35:27] ,quote get 106 [02:35:27] DNS: Quote #106: "There's no present. There's only the immediate future and the recent past. ~ George Carlin" (added by dns at 02:19 PM, August 08, 2010) [02:35:35] ,quote get 105 [02:35:35] DNS: Quote #105: "We must do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery (1 more message) [02:35:38] ,more [02:35:38] DNS: because, according to Malthusian-" (added by Kebap at 03:14 PM, August 06, 2010) [02:35:40] ;) [03:22:28] *** Quits: Antilect (Antilect@RBOSE-e6ebb2a4.tbcn.telia.com) (Client closed the connection) [03:54:49] Grrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttttsssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [03:54:57] wwwwhhhhhhheeeeeeerrrrrrr [03:54:59] RRRRRRRRRRR [03:55:00] UUUUUUUUUUUUU [03:57:21] maybe he has not internet atm, or hes busy, but idk [04:07:07] *** Joins: Billlll (qwebirc@RBOSE-94aeb33c.res.rr.com) [04:08:01] yo [04:08:19] What's up? [04:09:59] *** Quits: lundburgerr__ (lundburgerr@5048B2.E9D5BE.E339CA.C53C66) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [04:18:56] *** Quits: Calyp (Caly@RBOSE-d5b1458a.bredband.skanova.com) (Quit: Leaving) [04:28:24] *** Joins: brat (qwebirc@780E20.4A7805.21D4C2.49D726) [04:33:47] *** Quits: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@146AF2.2BD0F3.A8DC5C.5BF77F) (Quit: Leaving.) [04:37:36] !hello brat [04:37:39] ACTION greets brat (because DNS wants me to), and offers some help. (Type: !help) [04:38:07] hello [04:38:26] :) [04:38:30] new here? [04:38:49] no, i have been here a few times [04:39:12] hm k i see your nick here the first time i think [04:39:14] :D [04:39:15] kinda lurking [04:39:23] hehe [04:39:28] i use different nicks [04:39:35] oh [04:39:40] :) [04:45:47] ,quote random [04:45:47] DNS: Quote #81: "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough. ~ Albert Einstein" (added by dns at 01:39 AM, August 05, 2010) [04:45:53] ^^ [04:46:40] ,quote random [04:46:40] DNS: Quote #94: "Б─°There's no denying the public's appetite for cosmic discovery.Б─² - Neil deGrasse Tyson" (added by BranManFloMore at 12:30 AM, August 06, 2010) [04:50:10] .topic AOSDT / RBEF / RBOSE Meeting @ 15.August 16:00 UTC in Mumble... http://openetherpad.net/riVmHsV1Hq [04:50:11] *** RBOSE changes topic to 'AOSDT / RBEF / RBOSE Meeting @ 15.August 16:00 UTC in Mumble... http://openetherpad.net/riVmHsV1Hq' [04:50:12] URL Title: EtherPad: riVmHsV1Hq (at openetherpad.net) [05:23:59] if(created||playerenters||timeout){if (playerswimming)playerx=27.5;playery=50.29999; timeout=0.05;} [05:25:26] if(created||playerenters||timeout){if (playerswimming){playerx=27.5;playery=50.29999; timeout=0.05;}} [05:26:52] 0_o [05:28:03] *** Joins: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-76118815.res.rr.com) [05:37:08] good morning ....... http://wuse-vip.de/english-version.html ..i worked a lot on it, it's still not finished, the last quartet is still mixed up, but i hop, its understandable now......but please tell me the biggest mistakes, english is not my motherlanguage and i try to do it best ..thanks [05:37:09] URL Title: ENGLISH VERSION - World`s United Savers Experiment - Very important Persons (at wuse-vip.de) [05:38:02] .and now i go to bed :-/ [05:38:09] Bummer. [05:38:13] Alrighty then. [05:38:17] Have a good night rest. [05:38:39] thanks [06:09:26] Calis if you return and read the logs, look at Matthew Green AKA MattG as the source of the Anon13AllofUs vids. Peace [06:09:38] *** Quits: brat (qwebirc@780E20.4A7805.21D4C2.49D726) (Quit: Page closed) [07:17:23] source of anon...source of truth...it's all the same thing here at RBOSE [07:17:34] are you lonely? [07:17:38] ...feeling down? [07:17:43] ...then, [07:17:49] why not join RBOSE! [07:18:04] it's still one of the most effective ways of achieve awesomeness [07:18:08] and so simple [07:18:15] just login [07:18:42] ...dial the number [07:18:46] ...and you're away [07:18:49] ...simple as that [07:18:57] Hmmm... [07:19:16] :| [07:19:27] i'm working on our PR program [07:19:45] i've done the calculations [07:20:13] we should have a lot of members in the next twelve months [07:20:19] No way! [07:20:21] LoL [07:20:23] lol [07:24:45] *** Joins: Sixth_Ape (Sixth_Ape@RBOSE-2625219c.mweb.co.za) [07:24:51] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@A96332.AE5EF9.8C4A3F.9C11D0) [07:28:19] *** Joins: Nanos (nanos.org.uk@RBOSE-08e1e52b.bethere.co.uk) [07:29:00] Good day all. [07:33:24] Hey there. [07:34:08] I was noticing some ideas I put forward a year or so ago are now appearing so to speak to be put in practice elsewhere in the world, it was a shame no TZM or related group put them into action at the time. [07:34:26] I see my local library for example now does Ebook lending. [07:34:34] Interesting. [07:34:55] I like reading books hard copy myself. I'm always at a computer as it is. [07:35:20] I noticed last week new solar cell factory production ear marked for the UK since our sales of solar panels went up by some 1,600% ! [07:35:21] But, still good for those who want ebook nevetheless. [07:35:27] ebooks* [07:35:35] Wow [07:35:41] Yes, I recently got myself a real book, and an Ebook version of the same thing. [07:36:02] I noticed the book folk put the price up of Ebooks from $10 to $32! [07:36:16] Real book price was $42.. [07:36:26] I think $32 is way too high myself. [07:36:46] $10 I could see folk paying, but above that, people will just pirate more I reckon. [07:36:47] I guess it depends how many pages a ebook is. [07:36:53] 600 odd. [07:37:04] Hmmm... [07:37:13] And of course, only available in a format that might not work in 20 years time.. [07:37:27] Where as your paper book might last 50 years.. [07:38:27] I wonder how the finance works for libraries now doing Ebooks, eg. do the authors get paid for each copy downloaded, and how do they ensure the downloads don't end up copied.. [07:38:54] Well, I would imagine it's hard to steal an ebook. [07:39:05] So, business would probably start booming from that angle of it. [07:39:07] :) [07:39:39] But then again, I don't I ever been to a library that didn't have metal detectors. [07:39:53] Maybe I'm just projecting from my culture and where I'm came from. [07:40:29] Nanos: I wonder how the finance works for libraries now doing Ebooks, eg. do the authors get paid for each copy downloaded, and how do they ensure the downloads don't end up copied.. <--- That would be interesting to know. [07:41:11] Maybe it would work like sound scans and people will get paid a certain amount of from how much ebooks are sold like artists do in that regard when it comes to CDS being sold. [07:41:25] of cents* ? [07:41:48] Did I confuse you Nanos? [07:41:49] LoL [07:41:51] Nope :-) [07:41:59] I was just typing up that question and posted it on a forum :-) [07:42:10] See if anyone knows how the finance part of it all works. [07:42:12] Ah, cool. [07:42:25] Being in 2,000+ forums there is usually someplace to ask everything.. [07:42:38] Though nowdays, the level of answers is not as it used to be sadly. [07:42:47] Seems we are losing knowledable people. [07:42:53] More questions than answers.. [07:42:56] I still buy CDs of artists I really like, so maybe will still go out and purchase things in a tangible sense if they are true fans of artists and authors. [07:43:02] I guess it depends on the romanticism. [07:43:19] we will* [07:43:22] I hear CD sales are up if people can listen for free. [07:43:38] Piracy is an area that interests me to see practical solutions for so to speak. [07:43:51] I think BEST BUY you can do that still. [07:43:52] eg. I'd rather see everyone paying a little and everything free. [07:43:54] Not sure. [07:44:06] Sounds logical though. [07:44:10] That is after all, how public libraries work. [07:44:31] As a lot of money is wasted in collecting monies for products that can be easily electronically copied. [07:44:51] Wouldn't that be interesting... Returning CDs that you get tired of like you do when returning a book that you finished reading. [07:44:52] Plus, as a buyer of said products, it annoys the hell out of me when trying to access by product thats copy protected! [07:45:06] But then, people would like to keep things as collector items. [07:45:14] I did come up with a business plan for that kind of thing, CD rental. [07:45:31] Nanos: I did come up with a business plan for that kind of thing, CD rental. <--- Interesting. [07:45:41] eg. a company owns physical CD's, but rents them to customers, who can have a legal copy of it to download, when your finished, you sell back your CD for what you paid for it. [07:45:52] So the actual CD never moves physicall. [07:46:13] But people can end up with a copy to listen to. [07:46:41] It seems with the Ebook service I was looking at http://www.ealingtoday.co.uk/default.asp?section=info&link=htt [07:46:41] p://nnet-server.com/server/common/conelibrary001.htm that they at least do that with the books so to speak in the sense that the electronic copy times out. [07:46:42] Then the artists and authors would get paid by how many times people returned their products? [07:46:49] Sounds good in a transitional sense. [07:47:00] Yes, I try to think of transitional solutions myself. [07:47:02] But I would have to think that through. [07:47:09] Something that gets us a little further along the road. [07:47:14] Indeed, great brainstorming. [07:47:24] As I reckon there is much we can do in that vain. [07:47:41] Like my solar vehicles, reduce travel costs. [07:48:04] Oh yeah. [07:48:17] Makes it affordable to do things like a free taxi service if you've no fuel costs. [07:48:37] *out of here* [07:48:38] x [07:48:41] *** Quits: neocortex (neocortex@RBOSE-bd5c1d12.nxg.net.au) (Client closed the connection) [07:48:50] Right, be rewarded for being responsible. [07:49:00] Positive incentives. [07:49:16] My first real business along that lines is my lottery prediction service, will be intersting to see if that works so to speak, from a buiness point of view. [07:49:19] !r Open source projects#Solar [07:49:21]