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[00:38:29] :) [00:38:30] hahaha [00:38:36] he will love it this much: http://anarchy.net.au/images/ThisMuchPenguin.jpg [00:38:43] Haha [00:38:52] lol [00:39:07] lol Grits - 'fucking rat with wings' [00:40:04] I thought that was bats. [00:40:11] Errrrrrr.... [00:41:33] Submit that to him NeoCorTex: http://atlasui.deviantart.com/journal/34711029 [00:41:35] URL Title: deviantART: AtlasUI's Journal: Atlas Linux OS: Logo Competition? (at atlasui.deviantart.com) [00:45:36] i don't have a deviant art account [00:46:21] neocortex: this pinguin you posted is adverisin linux and you dont see it! [00:46:26] lol [00:46:33] lol [00:46:42] neo loves DNS this much: http://anarchy.net.au/images/ThisMuchPenguin.jpg [00:46:57] haha [00:48:10] neocortex: i don't have a deviant art account <---- Errrrr... [00:48:15] I don't either. [00:48:20] I guess you can email it to him. [00:48:35] i'll send it telepathically [00:48:59] That works. 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[09:18:09] morning Julius [09:19:57] I love Atlas OS this much: http://anarchy.net.au/images/ThisMuchPenguin.jpg [09:29:19] *** Joins: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-c9131efe.supraktv.hu) [09:29:26] *** Parts: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-c9131efe.supraktv.hu) [09:31:21] *** Joins: Sixth_Ape (sixth_ape@RBOSE-493dfb6b.mweb.co.za) [09:32:02] are there other sites like alibaba? 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[12:37:30] lukas: You started to be present quite often. :-) [12:37:37] I like it. [12:38:36] thanks Julius, the summer time ended and i'm back into projects [12:39:09] lukas: Good to hear! We are back together again. :-D [12:39:46] lukas: http://dotsub.com/view/a29b44f7-bf4b-4928-a4a4-7a1359bceb55 [12:39:47] URL Title: The System Of Ownership Of Ideas | dotSUB (at dotsub.com) [12:40:11] I will start to transribe it today, the harder part will be the translation. [12:40:30] nice! [12:42:20] Maybe some of us would like to join to the translation. [12:42:58] :) [12:44:50] lukas: Can yuo help me a bit? [12:45:11] I cannot get the name of the professor who invited him ... [12:45:20] sec. [12:45:48] Tight fellowship :D [12:45:59] Me and kalken and DeLrge hade an allnighter tonight xD [12:46:11] Conspiring to expand our philosophies [12:46:20] :) [12:49:53] Julius, i think he says "professor Golfy" or something like that [12:50:13] :-D [12:52:25] myself read today a quite nice book about home made CNC, and i'm building here a lab to work with electronics and robotics (somebody want to join?), but i think we could be able to create a whole factory of synced machines soon, i also wonder how in future distribute that stuff with attitude to reduce the price for end users to zero (covering only the material costs, and providing it within the idea brought by kalken: karma project) [12:55:29] i think we need get in contact with Software Freedom Law Center to ask them for a legal assistance pro bono to be able to do so, because greedy people may want to stop this kind of endeavor [12:56:30] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-d762fc2a.bredband.skanova.com) [12:56:30] lukas: "Roy Goode" [12:56:43] ok :) [12:56:55] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqhjDAWJr4s [12:56:56] You4Tube 2[Title] What's The Use Of Getting Sober / Joe Jackson 2[Category] Music 2[Duration] 0:03:49 2[Views] 9543 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2009-01-28 2[Description] What's The Use Of Getting Sober Joe Jackson [12:56:57] google is my friend!? [12:56:57] hi Caly :) [12:56:58] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-NOZU2iPA8 [12:57:10] :-D [12:59:21] *** Joins: Billll2 (Billll@RBOSE-6cb2cc0f.res.rr.com) [12:59:35] *** Parts: Billll2 (Billll@RBOSE-6cb2cc0f.res.rr.com) [13:00:14] *** Joins: yourdaddy (Billll@RBOSE-6cb2cc0f.res.rr.com) [13:00:50] hi lukas [13:08:37] ...technically it seems really simple, the microcontrollers just rox today, and with robots and bots we may easily keep moving forward, but i see a problem with people, a problem identified with a question "if you want to be free then how much you are able to share with other people as free?", and seems not many people in our society is able to do something for free when it comes to stuff other than software, but it will change - i want try to do that and i [13:08:38] think here is more people ready to do the same :) [13:10:53] lukas: nice thoughts [13:11:16] lukas: where the quote comes from? [13:12:15] life Julius :) [13:12:20] http://anarchy.net.au/images/ThisMuchPenguin.jpg [13:12:35] woops [13:12:38] lukas: is that yours then? [13:12:38] wrong link [13:12:43] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go05FQPdYwI [13:12:44] You4Tube 2[Title] Thelonious Monk - In Walked Bud 2[Category] Music 2[Duration] 0:06:51 2[Views] 4057 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2009-11-27 2[Description] "In Walked Bud" performed by the Thelonious Monk Quartet. Taken from the 1968 "Underground" album. Composed by Thelonious Monk. Musicians: Thelonious Monk: Piano Charlie Rouse: Tenor Saxophone Larry Gales: Bass Ben Riley: Drums Vocals: Jon Hendricks [13:20:17] Julius, let me answer this way: we study gazillions of cases in science, and we develop new approaches to study them even more. But every new understanding, every new approach is revealed by work based on something what already exists. Then a pattern is found. So, is the person who just discovers the pattern an owner of it? Personally i think not, but we lived all our lives inside the system of ownership of ideas. [13:22:57] lukas: ok [13:23:24] lukas: then this part, I think here is more people ready to do the same [13:23:50] Is it addressed to the RBOSE group? [13:24:05] yes :) [13:24:23] *** Joins: Naeron1984 (Naeron@RBOSE-902e6f0a.pool.telekom.hu) [13:24:29] *** Parts: Naeron1984 (Naeron@RBOSE-902e6f0a.pool.telekom.hu) [13:25:49] lukas: then I agree and I join [13:26:08] :D [13:32:53] I also think it has a lot to do with scarcity. In the past the role of scientist was rare, and we named the phenomenas according to surnames of people who studied them. Today there is a growing legion of computer scientist discovering more and more things, faster and faster every day. They are in abundance and/so they are not famous at all. They are quite anonymous from my perspective. To express it practically: how many surnames we want to remember in future [13:32:55] if we want still practice the same? ;) [13:36:19] *** Joins: Kimsan (Kim@RBOSE-c8df146f.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [14:00:54] lukas: can you have a blick on the dotsub, I have no big experience with transcribing [14:01:29] will it be ok in this stye? aren' the sentences too long? .. [14:01:56] the senences are too gay [14:02:13] thanks neocortex :-) [14:02:20] sentences [14:04:19] maybe phrases [14:04:38] : | [14:05:23] Julius, watched up to 2:00 and seems fine [14:05:38] lukas: Great, thanks! [14:05:57] I will try to keep it this way. [14:06:56] sometimes it's nice to have a break additionally in place of pause in speech, but it's really ok as it is :) [14:07:56] ah ok, but it gives more time to read, but I can change it [14:08:08] he speaks relatively slowly anyway [14:12:02] Julius, it's really good, i meant only the pauses which are underlying something. [14:13:15] impact break? [14:13:24] :-D [14:14:42] :D [14:23:10] http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2010/self-healing-solar.html [14:23:11] URL Title: Solar cell, heal thyself (at web.mit.edu) [14:32:29] *** Joins: Anon0907 (Anon0907@RBOSE-c45963c8.chello.pl) [14:33:40] Hi [14:33:48] nice stuff [14:33:54] hi [14:34:17] *** Anon0907 is now known as Tong-len [14:34:33] :P [14:35:29] Hi Tong-len! :-) [14:36:14] lukas: My quostion is regarding the article is ... [14:36:19] question* [14:36:22] i d like to now whot is going on in thys movement [14:36:52] Why human tries to copy everything from nature by using and destroy it? [14:36:53] sory in from poland and dont right a lot in englisch [14:37:14] Tong-len: then your man is lukas [14:37:17] my ort is teryble [14:37:38] Tong-len: maybe there is RBOSE.PL [14:37:42] sorry? [14:37:55] I mean a channel [14:38:01] i coodynt get there [14:38:07] :P [14:38:08] "/join RBOSE.PL" [14:38:22] Tong-len, did you read: http://rbose.org/why.html [14:38:23] URL Title: Why? - RBOSE. Resource Based Open Source Environment (at rbose.org) [14:38:41] Tong-len: no polish channel atm [14:38:57] you can create one then [14:39:38] sory im a women:P mayby i ask sb for help:P [14:40:08] lukas: pls help her [14:40:25] sure, i send an msg in query [14:42:59] *** Parts: Julius (Julius@psyc.RBOSE) [14:43:16] *** Joins: Julius (Julius@psyc.RBOSE) [14:44:40] Tong-len, wyglÄ…da na to, że używasz web-klienta do poÅ‚Ä…czenia z tym serwerem. PowinnaÅ› widzieć gdzieÅ› zakÅ‚adkÄ™ z otwartÄ… prywatÄ… wiadomoÅ›ciÄ…. JeÅ›li potrzebujesz pomocy, Å›miaÅ‚o pytaj. [14:44:49] lukas & Tong-len: maybe you want to register a channel? [14:45:20] however I really like the polish lang [14:45:35] i d like to know does people enjoing venus projekt interesting much in spirytuality [14:46:31] lukas is frm polend [14:46:34] ? [14:46:41] the venus project is not really about spirituality [14:47:22] yes, I'm ...in this world of borders [14:47:36] indeed it is also the base to create a new sociaty I my view [14:47:50] lukas: :-D [14:48:12] i now what is about but im interesting in spiritualy aspeckt of live [14:48:20] the moust [14:48:48] cze015b0107 lukas [14:48:57] d0142ugo tu siedzisz [14:49:01] :) [14:49:05] hm :-) [14:49:20] od poczÄ…tku :) [14:49:37] Tong-len, you may be than more interested in this project: [14:49:39] i co odpowiedzia0142 by015b mi na moje pytanie [14:49:42] !r Auroville [14:49:45] Auroville | Auroville: General Joining. Spirituality. Videos. @ http://rbose.org/wiki/Auroville [14:51:04] mayby this projekt is material anser of my spiritual question? [14:51:19] maybe:P [14:51:59] proszÄ™ kliknij na #RBOSE.PL jeÅ›li chciaÅ‚abyÅ› porozmawiać w jÄ™zyku polskim :) inni bÄ™da mogli siÄ™ przyÅ‚Ä…czyć jeÅ›li tylko chcÄ… [14:52:11] there are some spiritual aspect of tvp, but Fresco handle from this way: "Enviroment shapes behavior" [14:53:04] Tong-len, you may stay at once in as many channels you wish [14:53:18] yes i herd it and im psaycholog:P [14:53:37] aa ju017c klikam [14:53:58] tylko gdzie:D [14:53:59] but maybe if you shape your soul it is not needed to transform the environment [14:54:26] ok girls & guys, I let you discuss it. [14:54:28] :-D [14:54:32] Tong-len, albo wpisz: /join #RBOSE.PL [14:54:54] i think bouth [14:54:58] "/msg chanserv REGISTER channel password description " [14:55:18] you can register a channel this way [14:55:40] Julius, no need atm :) [14:55:40] but first you should register your nick [14:56:07] lukas: it doesn't ask for feeding [14:56:09] :-D [14:56:25] it is ok, your bussiness [15:22:02] http://www.ted.com/talks/michael_specter_the_danger_of_science_denial.html?utm_source=newsletter_weekly_2010-04-13 [15:22:03] URL Title: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial | Video on TED.com (at www.ted.com) [15:24:07] *** Quits: nocaic (ciacon@RBOSE-4696ca1f.adsl.alicedsl.de) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [15:26:11] *** Joins: nocaic (ciacon@RBOSE-319542c2.adsl.alicedsl.de) [15:35:02] *** Joins: Naeron1984 (Naeron@RBOSE-39e2ec17.pool.telekom.hu) [15:47:00] *** Joins: lundburgerr-TZM (lundburgerr@RBOSE-05844981.cust.bredband2.com) [15:50:02] what's up [15:54:14] 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[17:43:36] http://www.ted.com/talks/nic_marks_the_happy_planet_index.html [17:43:41] URL Title: Nic Marks: The Happy Planet Index | Video on TED.com (at www.ted.com) [17:44:09] Julius: see here http://rbose.org/wiki/IRC/Servers [17:44:11] URL Title: IRC/Servers - RBOSE (at rbose.org) [17:44:46] Caly: thats a nice talk, i wonder about costa rica now :) [17:44:52] Kebap23: many thanks [17:45:22] Kebap23: =) [17:45:26] Kebap23: I think 6667 is opened as well [17:45:37] Am I right? 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[18:19:42] Hey Nanos, :-) [18:20:09] I was just looking at the RBEF forums a little and wondered if anyone was around here. [18:20:27] Nothing specific on my mind. [18:21:12] Good life Nanos :) [18:21:54] Its ok, struggled with BSOD last night, that kept me up until I fixed it. [18:22:20] Been tinkering with Silverlight lately, making a little progress with the forum client I'm working on. [18:22:25] Still a long way to go though.. [18:23:03] http://www.ted.com/talks/matt_ridley_when_ideas_have_sex.html [18:23:04] URL Title: Matt Ridley: When ideas have sex | Video on TED.com (at www.ted.com) [18:23:23] thanks Caly, is the a TED day? [18:23:25] :-D [18:23:26] * Nanos makes note to watch it when he has free bandwidth later. [18:24:08] Julius: yeah, i'm having a TED bonanza here =P [18:25:26] http://forumbeta.bravenewdawn.com is the very latest version here, note it needs Silverlight to work! [18:25:27] URL Title: Brave New Dawn (at forumbeta.bravenewdawn.com) [18:25:54] silverlight sux :D [18:26:09] Nanos: my side as well [18:26:17] :-( [18:26:21] Nanos: ffs, why silverlight` [18:26:22] ? [18:26:34] Caly: ffs? [18:26:41] For fuck sake [18:26:44] Its fast and has all the twiddly bits I need to develop the various bits of application I want. [18:26:46] :-D [18:26:47] lol [18:26:56] Nanos: HTML5 ftw [18:27:05] Its not suitable enough from what I understand. [18:27:19] so develop HTML5 then ;) [18:27:20] I'm on the Silverlight road :-) [18:27:40] don't go prostitute yourself like that, dude. [18:27:40] I think Neo is the only one able to view the site around these parts.. [18:27:47] Caly: ftw? [18:27:49] Nanos: problem is, you need all users to install silverlight first [18:27:52] When/if I make some money, I'll convert :-) [18:27:55] for the win! [18:27:55] Julius: for the win [18:28:00] thanks [18:28:14] True, but its slowly creeping into peoples machines, at least window users. [18:28:20] so? [18:28:21] Who fit into the majority of potentional customers. [18:28:31] capitalist pig. [18:28:35] * Nanos smiles [18:28:37] $ilveRightRestricted is not suitable for anything, beside working for M$ in long run :| [18:28:42] Well, I have to pay the rent.. [18:28:49] lukas: WORD! [18:28:53] Once thats sorted, then it opens up more options for me. [18:29:10] I love the way we can disagree, but still debate. [18:29:11] judas! [18:29:16] :) [18:29:31] :_D [18:29:42] that crap dont even work on linux-platforms :) [18:29:49] lol [18:29:52] all in the agenda of ms ofc :) [18:29:53] *** Quits: Julius (Julius@psyc.RBOSE) (Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net) [18:29:53] Yet.. maybe one day it will. [18:30:06] I wonder if it works on the Mac.. [18:30:17] yes [18:30:21] Nanos, maybe it will help you wake up :D http://dotsub.com/view/a29b44f7-bf4b-4928-a4a4-7a1359bceb55 [18:30:22] URL Title: The System Of Ownership Of Ideas - Transcription in progress | dotSUB (at dotsub.com) [18:30:30] Incidently, whats the market share of Linux on machines these days ? [18:30:32] but its about as smart as programming a internet explorer specific site [18:30:36] <3 Eben Moglen ! [18:30:42] its going to be crap :) [18:30:46] Caly: indeed :) [18:31:13] Another video noted to watch later. [18:31:22] Nanos, market share of Linux ;D http://www.top500.org/stats/list/35/osfam [18:31:24] URL Title: Operating system Family share for 06/2010 | TOP500 Supercomputing Sites (at www.top500.org) [18:31:32] Nanos: for the noob consumers you know the answer, for most servers out there it's Linux. [18:31:41] lukas: what would be a good free open source alternative to silverlight? [18:31:46] Nanos: i suggest you watch it before you start develop in silverlight :D [18:31:50] And when it comes to developers... well... [18:31:52] I've already started.. [18:31:55] ^^ [18:32:04] Good boi [18:32:05] A good question kebap23 [18:32:18] I mean I've already started to develop in Silverlight.. [18:32:39] Kebap23, not sure atm, but html5 seems to offer a lot [18:32:49] I'll see that through first before I think about changing tack again. (It took me long enough to figure out to use that.. as in years..) [18:32:50] It's never to late to stop, Nanos [18:33:15] I don't wish to spend too much time changing tack too often. [18:33:20] Otherwise I'll never get anything done! [18:33:33] tack? [18:33:38] Its taken me about, lets see, 15 years to drift towards SL [18:33:40] changing course [18:33:43] ...and you never will be free with M$ [18:33:51] *track [18:33:53] then [18:34:30] free and open software and hardware is a requirement for any type of transition, because people are not allowed to SHARE and IMPROVE otherwise. I dont understand why people don't understand that [18:34:45] exactly [18:34:46] http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/change+tack [18:34:47] URL Title: change tack - Idioms - by the Free Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia. (at idioms.thefreedictionary.com) [18:35:03] I understand it, but I also need to pay the rent, if there is a way to do both, then I'm for it. [18:35:23] Nanos: uite frankly, most here don't give a sheit if there is an alternative, as wee don't ever considering using proprietary mobware [18:35:24] Nanos: a good start would be to not use silverlight :D [18:35:28] =) [18:35:30] :D [18:35:46] I fear going the not silverlight route will mean I won't make any money right now. [18:36:26] I consider whatever pays the rent takes priority, when I'm in a position not to worry, then I'll consider your approach to take priority. [18:36:51] :) [18:36:59] why not making a living using Open Source then? [18:37:09] If I knew how to! [18:37:19] i'm gonn do it, now that i get unemployed (finally!) [18:37:33] Fingers crossed, and I'll be interested to hear how. [18:37:52] there is many buisness models around free software and open source hardware, i think you just need to look how people do it [18:37:55] I'm all too happy to copy success :-) [18:37:56] well, i'm gonna focus on RepRapable open source hardware ofc. [18:38:10] I've looked, but I can't see anything suitable for the direction I want to go in. [18:38:15] Even if everything is free, there is still a market of service [18:38:24] Have you talked with Ant about his reprap project ? [18:38:36] Nanos, let me give you a one example: http://arduino.cc/en/Main/Buy [18:38:37] URL Title: Arduino - Buy (at arduino.cc) [18:38:37] True, service market is a fact. [18:38:37] not everyone can buid hardware just becouse it's open [18:38:52] they have this hardware already arround the world [18:39:09] yeah, arduino is open, but hardly free [18:39:14] to get i mean. [18:39:25] someone is proividing the production services. [18:39:40] OSE sells materials for their constructions for example. [18:39:55] I want to create a forum system, but I also need to pay to keep the servers up and 24/7 staff to man it. [18:40:13] i intend to do the same, produce geodesic dome greenhouses, Open Source irrigation systems etc. [18:40:16] If I create an open source solution, whats to stop my competitiors from using it and putting me out of business straight off ? [18:40:38] At the moment, my main competitor, their code isn't open source.. [18:40:47] that way of thinkin will not get anyone near an RBE society... [18:40:54] indeed. [18:41:08] Though I do occasionally think of sleeping with the developers wife to get the code :-) [18:41:13] *** Joins: Naeron1984 (qwebirc@RBOSE-902e6f0a.pool.telekom.hu) [18:41:20] *** Parts: Naeron1984 (qwebirc@RBOSE-902e6f0a.pool.telekom.hu) [18:42:03] I think it will get us nearer if I can produce a working system people can use, some for free, and invest/spend the profits into building an RBE style world. [18:42:13] At the moment I lack a decent forum system to use, and others lack it too. [18:42:22] So, how do I create it, and pay the rent ? [18:42:43] Nanos: why would large companies suddenly give up their knowledge to build rbe-things? [18:42:48] its not going to happen [18:42:49] never [18:43:14] I don't think so either, which is why I want to help build it myself. [18:43:25] corp structure has to break down, and people need to get out of this system for that to happen (e.g getting self sustainable etc) [18:43:34] Agreed kalken [18:43:44] I'm aiming for self sustianable myself. [18:43:58] For now, I have to pay rent, when I can afford to, I'll build my own place. [18:44:09] system has to fail, to get something else going. Economy and requirement of infinite growth will do that in some not to distant future, but do we really want to wait around for that? [18:44:17] Nanos, if people are not able to improve what you would provide, we will never get into RBE, we will be running in the wheel all the time, with the circular logic "if i could only pay the bills..." -- to elliminate the bills, you need free hardware and software [18:44:47] Free hardware is hard to get. [18:44:59] lukas_: indeed. and people helping each other do be independent of the monetary system :) [18:45:11] yes [18:45:18] Agreed kalken. [18:45:44] so you have us Nanos, we are your hope! :D [18:45:47] ;) [18:45:52] Thats one of the reasons I want to build a better forum system, to enable people to more easily communicate and help each other. [18:46:04] * Nanos smiles @ lukas [18:46:54] At least we have this IRC and some web forums for now. [18:47:00] Nanos: why do you want to build a forum? [18:47:14] better how? [18:47:22] Because all the current forums suck compared to what I know is possible, as i've seen one type that doesn't suck so much and want to copy it. [18:47:33] Faster, more efficient to find information. [18:47:36] i think stuff like diaspora is the next big thing. [18:48:06] I'm basing my design on a system thats been operating for 20+ years, just hardly anyone knows about it. [18:48:48] so next guy who wants one needs to rebuilt it himself, copying your design :) [18:49:04] I aim to give free accounts, so people wont need to copy it :-) [18:49:05] so damn inefficient :) [18:49:20] what if i want the code and improve it for all of us? [18:49:24] But yes, that is in essence what I'm doing now, as the code isn't available for me to just use, I have to hand code it all from scratch.. [18:49:31] that aproach brakes the hackers' code of conduct [18:49:43] You could just ask for a feature to be included and it would be done :-) [18:50:04] If you wanted to code it yourself, you could work for the company and get paid to do so.. [18:50:35] lukas_: indeed. Many people think that open software is the same as something that is free to use. But their missing the point abit then :) [18:50:38] Or, create an addon and make use of the API system. [18:51:04] Its just the need to pay the bills that is the reason its not open source. [18:51:29] i'm thinking about being self sustainable in about 2-3 years. Then its going to be open development ftw :) [18:51:36] If by this or some other business I get enough income to not need to worry about paying the bills, then it can become open source. [18:51:42] Gate5 is offering a lot of such services, they atache a lot of spying stuff around our asses :x for free! extremaly cheap hosting space for free spying... [18:51:52] Thats a nice short time frame, I'm not sure how long its going to take me, perhaps 5 to 10 years. [18:52:41] Nanos: atleast i'm going to have the plan ready by then, so i know all the steps that needs to be taken :) [18:53:06] If I'm able to help at all in that sort of area, I will. [18:53:16] i think more people need to figure out how to step out of current society, to really be able to "afford" helping others [18:53:25] I may disagree with some aspects, but I think its important to help as I think your doing the right thing. [18:53:52] Agreed kalken [18:54:31] Thats one of the reasons I want to produce cheap housing (And I don't have an issue at the moment with making those house plans aviailable for free.) as that is the biggest cost in most peoples lives today. [18:55:14] I want to get people away from having to buy a house, or renting one where the landlord makes a fat profit. [18:55:35] At cost housing at least is my first step, rental model. [18:56:15] Practically all the rich people I know are also landlords and live off the fat of others who work. [18:57:20] yes :) That kind of behaviour is rewarded today sadly [18:57:48] so people will never stop doing it unless they understand better, or are not able to continue with it [18:58:17] It would also help if someone was to try and break the cycle and actually not try to profit from people. [18:58:34] It would introduce competition as well, forcing landlords to offer cheaper rents to compete.. [18:59:02] it's really never been about "right" and "wrong", and i think many people put alot of effort in fixing things that are really only symptoms of a bad way of distributing resources :) [18:59:17] :) [18:59:18] Its perhaps interesting that one landlord I know, sets his rents 7% below market price to maintain his properties always being full, but won't lower the price any lower.. [18:59:27] Agreed kalken. [19:00:47] I'm also reminded of a housing charity that sets its rents at market rates, on the basis that the maximun income they can get means they can afford to build more housing to help the poor.. [19:00:54] I don't really understand the logic in that.. [19:01:14] just follow the money and it becomes pretty obvious :) [19:01:22] I actually got to speak to the boss of the housing charity to ask him personally why such stupid logic, as its plainly not helping the poor! [19:01:36] He pointed out thats what the accounts advise.. [19:01:42] accountants rather. [19:02:04] I asked him to change things.. [19:02:07] There has been no change.. [19:02:11] I should ask him again why not.. [19:02:12] its impossible to solve the problems inside the system that generated the problems in the first place :) [19:02:22] As I happen to know where he hangs out regularly to pester him :-) [19:02:32] I'm not sure its impossible, just really difficult.. [19:03:05] I think its needed to solve some issues, so we can get a foothold and be more able to help ourselves. [19:03:10] Eg. its no use us all being poor. [19:03:34] So, something like at cost housing would mean we'd be less poor. [19:03:37] its impossible, because this society based on profit and money will never work if people have about as much. We cant identify rich people if we cant identify poor people [19:03:50] But I've had no sucess getting anyone with money to really change to help people, even charities! [19:04:35] But, if we can generate money ourselves, I reckon then, we can change how things are done, at least enough to make some kind of difference. [19:04:42] ofc, because they have to sacrifice something to do that. And when they might need help tomorrow, there is no guarantee that someone they dont know will help them if they cant pay up [19:04:48] I can spot the rich people as they pay for forum access :-) [19:04:49] thats why we turn into collectors [19:05:09] to secure our future in this "every man for himself"-society [19:05:21] Amusingly one rich person has paid for my forum access to their forum for the next year. [19:05:47] As I said I was leaving not being able to afford it anymore. [19:06:00] Interestingly, it was on the condition I tell no one who it was that paid for me.. [19:06:00] and when it comes to solving common problems as clean water, good environment and stuff like that, the system is always failing, because no problem that does not generate money will never really be solved [19:06:11] Indeed kalken [19:06:16] in words of A.Einstein "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them" [19:06:31] I'm not entirely sure Einstein was correct there.. [19:06:44] But I do think all of us working together in some fashion can help change things. [19:06:53] Even if we disagree on some aspects of how. [19:07:29] people will always start to optimize behaviour that is rewarding in any system. Thats too say for good and for bad... [19:07:56] "bad" people is the ones that dont optimize in a way that includes you :) [19:09:05] Nicely put :-) [19:09:10] lukas: i love that quote. [19:09:12] i read many stupid things in the papers right now, and its so very very logical if one just stops and figure out how the moneyflow is going, and how people usually optimize things [19:09:59] kalken: i agree there. As you use to say "Just follow the money". So true today, so false tomorrow ;) [19:10:10] xD [19:11:17] i think "bad" guys optimize as well, they are the exploits of the system, and because with them we created a system where patching is not allowed, they are running it ...as top distributors [19:11:45] ofc. And its rewarded. And it pays of :) [19:12:04] unfortunately :( [19:13:24] the only thing that holds that kind of behaviours back is one's own conscience, and all those exponential growing laws about everything one cant do :) [19:14:25] I think evolution will only take a few with conscience to force others to compete to be nice.. [19:15:10] i dont think you have to "force" anybody. Its all about building another system that rewards different kind of behaviour [19:15:19] it can be done in small scale to begin with [19:15:38] so people can see for them selves what it really creates [19:15:55] By force, I mean, if a customer can get something better for less from us, they will do so, so the current rich competitors will have to cut their prices and offer a better service to compete against us. [19:16:34] Once people have a choice, I think they will choose our ways. [19:16:39] At the moment, there is no choice. [19:16:50] There are now low rental properties, anywhere.. [19:16:51] price is never about what something costs. Its always about what one can sell it for :) [19:16:59] now/no [19:17:04] True [19:17:13] But I think we can change that.. [19:17:29] I notice some supermarkets for example, selling items below cost price. [19:17:41] Not below cost price to themselves, but below cost price to their producers.. [19:17:51] eg. the farmers are the ones losing money. [19:17:57] Not a long term solution that.. [19:18:03] i think the requirement for direct trades is really the thing that has to go. If it does not we will have some kind of system with about the same disadvantages as we have now [19:18:45] I think a more efficient and lower cost way of direct trade is a good thing to develop myself. [19:18:51] But I think I can understand what you mean. [19:19:25] At the moment, one of the ways people profit is to hide trade values, so sellers get taken advantage of, more information to sellers would mean they get a better price. [19:19:55] This is something one can see in African markets where people use mobile phones to tell each other about pricing so as to not be taken advantage of by buyers. [19:20:12] *** Joins: Pest| (Pestilenc@RBOSE-c606815c.cust.blixtvik.net) [19:20:20] But all the same, I would like to be offering some free stuff to people. [19:20:28] open source software has eliminated the requirement for direct trade in a really cool way :) [19:20:33] My first direction into that is forum accounts. [19:20:54] Its a good thing, but it has difficulties when it comes to physical products. [19:21:00] indeed [19:21:12] eg. say the servers to run the services on. [19:21:12] still that it the next step [19:21:17] Agreed. [19:21:25] Reprap being something we all agree on being a good thing :-) [19:22:06] yes. When those things can print circuit boards we're almost there :) [19:22:15] Incidently, did you see that link the other day I posted about a reprap older style solution ? [19:22:31] no? link [19:22:48] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/multimachine [19:22:50] URL Title: multimachine : Open Source machine tools (at groups.yahoo.com) [19:23:11] If only I had the room myself. [19:24:14] At times I've litterly had to stand in the corner of a shop and file a piece of metal by hand as I lacked the tools or space to do it anywhere else! [19:25:14] Is one of the reasons I want to move to someone else whose into these kind of things, as he has workshop space. [19:25:39] I reckon the two of us working on things would be a good thing, as at the moment he is very much on his own. [19:25:46] But alas, I cannot afford to move at the moment :-( [19:26:17] Nanos, it's not really about the price, for example IE has zero cost for end user, but we simply don't use that crap [19:27:03] I use it sometimes :-) [19:27:16] I also use Firefox, Safari, and Chrome too.. [19:27:38] *** Quits: DerAKTIVist (DerAKTIVist-Z@RBOSE-7c850d73.adsl.alicedsl.de) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [19:28:30] ,quote get #rbose 118 [19:28:31] lukas_: Quote #118: "Those who control computer programs control who gets everything. We say, computer programs, then, must be made by everybody, for everybody, in the interests of everybody. That's governments for the people, of the people, by the people. -- Eben Moglen" (added by lukas at 03:20 PM, September 08, 2010) [19:29:18] ,quote get #rbose 119 [19:29:18] lukas_: Quote #119: "So that's what we're about, you understand. Let's be serious about this. This is serious business. We have a world to take back. In order to take it back, we need four things: Free software, free hardware, free culture, and free spectrum. And we are getting them, all. Bit, by bit, by bit. -- Eben Moglen" (added by lukas at 03:23 PM, September 08, 2010) [19:31:15] <3 [19:32:23] internet would not be anything near what it is today if it was not for free and open software :) [19:32:30] Free hardware is a dosie.. (wonders how to spell that word..) [19:32:54] I think the internet would not be where it is without having had lots of customers paying for it to be built :-) [19:33:21] There is also the issue of electric to run the free hardware too :-) [19:33:35] I had to recently move some servers from here as I coudln't afford the electric to run them :-( [19:34:27] Hence also a need to generate some income to afford to pay for servers. [19:36:19] *** Joins: chiray (chiray-ZM@RBOSE-f08c40b5.pools.arcor-ip.net) [19:37:53] I've put adverts on my sites at the moment to see if that will generate any income, as someone reported on the Atlas Initative site they obtained an imcome from adverts on their sites. 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[20:22:59] ,t de en der uhrzeitcode [20:23:00] DNS-: the time of code [20:23:06] sure [20:23:08] :p [20:24:22] *** Quits: chiray (chiray-ZM@RBOSE-f08c40b5.pools.arcor-ip.net) (Quit: www.rbose.org ;)) [20:25:52] the time of code? lol the code of time sounds more proper as translation [20:29:57] *** Joins: Antilect2 (Antilect@RBOSE-e6ebb2a4.tbcn.telia.com) [20:31:35] *** Quits: Antilect2 (Antilect@RBOSE-e6ebb2a4.tbcn.telia.com) (Client closed the connection) [20:38:25] *** Joins: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-5aa36246.biz.rr.com) [20:39:28] *** BranManFloMore is now known as Guest18585 [20:39:57] *** Quits: Guest18585 (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-5aa36246.biz.rr.com) (Quit: Leaving.) [20:42:18] *** Quits: lukas_ (lukas@RBOSE-0bb4258c.adsl.tpnet.pl) (Client closed the connection) [20:45:07] http://www.youtube.com/user/multiplaz [20:45:08] URL Title: YouTube - multiplazs kanal (at www.youtube.com) [20:45:34] http://www.youtube.com/user/multiplaz#p/u/1/WXDgxpvrAHk [20:45:35] URL Title: YouTube - multiplazs kanal (at www.youtube.com) [20:45:40] hmm [20:46:06] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXDgxpvrAHk [20:46:07] You4Tube 2[Title] Air plasma cutting 0.5 -55mm 2[Category] Tech 2[Duration] 0:02:43 2[Views] 95171 2[Rating] 4.72 2[Uploaded] 2008-02-23 2[Description] cut metal as butter is not a fantasy! P.s max 120 amp, weight 30 kg :) [20:46:27] that is one awesome machine [20:47:18] *** Joins: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-5aa36246.biz.rr.com) [20:47:42] when I lived in Phoenix I met an electrical engineer who had a tabletop plasma cutter he invented [20:47:53] it would cut through pyrex [20:50:36] *** Joins: Hakufu- (Hakufu-@56030C.6BB686.9AC6E3.8C2626) [20:51:35] *** Quits: Hakufu- (Hakufu-@56030C.6BB686.9AC6E3.8C2626) (Quit: jmIrc destroyed by the OS) [20:57:54] Wow [20:58:15] hi folks [20:58:20] http://ciacon.soup.io/post/75657161/THE-DAY-I-LOST-CTRL [20:58:25] URL Title: THE DAY I LOST [CTRL] - irish stew (at ciacon.soup.io) [20:59:03] LoL! [20:59:05] Hey [20:59:29] hi [20:59:33] how are ye? [20:59:49] Getting by, as the same. [20:59:51] You? [21:00:41] not too bad [21:01:06] horrific internet connection at the moment. at least thanks to my hosted server noone really notices =/ [21:01:54] *** Joins: paxton (pax@RBOSE-8aa7cc53.dip.t-dialin.net) [21:11:28] re... bah [21:12:19] *** Quits: Grits (plautus@RBOSE-512d31d6.shawneelink.net) (Connection closed) [21:21:10] *** Quits: Atomraider (Atomraider@RBOSE-fbe85eb7.catv.broadband.hu) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [21:21:35] *** Joins: Naeron19841 (Naeron@RBOSE-902e6f0a.pool.telekom.hu) [21:21:42] *** Parts: Naeron19841 (Naeron@RBOSE-902e6f0a.pool.telekom.hu) [21:21:59] *** Quits: kalken (default@RBOSE-6c28bb18.bredband.comhem.se) (Quit: leaving) [21:23:59] *** Joins: kalken (default@RBOSE-6c28bb18.bredband.comhem.se) [21:25:03] any english speaker here? [21:25:05] a look into the future - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiTngyS1m48 [21:25:06] You4Tube 2[Title] Flaschenpost - Heineken 2[Category] Comedy 2[Duration] 0:00:32 2[Views] 38 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2010-09-09 2[Description] Heineken Werbung, einfach Hammer wie immer! [21:25:10] hi Julius [21:25:13] *** Quits: kalken (default@RBOSE-6c28bb18.bredband.comhem.se) (Quit: leaving) [21:25:18] hey :-) [21:25:43] *** Joins: kalken (default@RBOSE-6c28bb18.bredband.comhem.se) [21:26:31] any english speaker here? <-- you joking, right? [21:28:33] *** Joins: plautus (plautus@RBOSE-512d31d6.shawneelink.net) [21:28:34] *** plautus is now known as Grits [21:28:40] Kebap23: Everybody except me is english speaker here except me? [21:28:53] :-D [21:28:59] lol [21:29:03] i dont know what you mean "english speaker", dont we just speak english? :D [21:29:13] :-D [21:29:27] I meant native english speaker. [21:29:37] yea some are [21:29:50] ask BranManFloMore, Grits or yourdaddy [21:29:55] lol [21:30:14] mydaddy? [21:30:16] :-D [21:30:25] ,smack yourdaddy [21:30:25] * rBOTse smacks yourdaddy with a population [21:30:28] maybe just state your question [21:30:38] !hammer yourdaddy [21:30:38] ACTION slaps yourdaddy with a big |-| /-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ of hard informations. (Only because DNS- requested that.) [21:30:38] http://www.overstream.net/view.php?oid=l1s3a4e8nxl9 [21:30:47] URL Title: View Overstream: 'Life Inc. Dispatch 01: Crisis as Opportunity' (at www.overstream.net) [21:30:49] im rude today to yourdaddy sorry [21:30:55] I could not get the word of the guy at 1 min [21:31:06] but nocaic is already checking [21:31:36] yeah rushkoff <3 [21:31:43] he is really cool [21:32:03] there are some errors in the subtitles [21:32:06] he has 8 vids like this [21:32:44] which word exactly? [21:33:54] "now that, they love that" [21:33:57] http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rNcJm8E6U-g/TIC_MyZF_2I/AAAAAAAAAUo/h-KFsiVf12E/s1600/government-demotivator.jpg [21:34:42] Kebap23: the word was the empower, thanks to nocaic [21:34:52] !praise nocaic [21:35:10] ,praise nocaic [21:35:10] * rBOTse Way To Go nocaic [21:35:51] where can i correct the subtitles? [21:37:29] Kebap23: it is not on dotsub, would you like to join? [21:37:42] anyway, those are great videos, anyone should check them out [21:37:45] if so I will upload it to dotsub [21:37:52] Julius: sure, why not [21:38:07] Kebap23: ok, I need few mins [21:38:38] no problemo [21:42:44] *** Joins: DerAKTIVist (DerAKTIVist-Z@RBOSE-27c811f8.adsl.alicedsl.de) [21:44:02] Life Inc: How the world became a corporation and how to take it back [21:48:48] yeah [21:49:06] Julius: here are some experpts: http://rushkoff.com/books/life-incorporated/excerpts/ [21:49:07] URL Title: Douglas Rushkoff » Excerpts from Life Inc: How the world became a corporation and how to take it back (at rushkoff.com) [21:49:10] I have uploaded 5 vids, but it needs some time tobe processed [21:49:39] *** Joins: warpi (bengt@RBOSE-4720ad49.cust.telenor.se) [21:49:47] okay [21:50:46] is anyone else habing trubble with ICQ? I am left with the feeling, that their servers are in difficulty.. I can ping anything without packet loss - however their servers keep dropping... O.o [21:51:05] http://rushkoff.com/videoaudio/open-source/ [21:51:06] URL Title: Douglas Rushkoff » Open Source (at rushkoff.com) [21:51:41] not currently, but sometimes always. i even have hab problems and another pc here with the same ip had no problems at the same time at all [21:51:48] I use a prog quite a bit - called 'ding' - at least for the linux/unix users under us ;) [21:52:02] AWESOME translator [21:56:38] the best multi im seems to be pidgin [21:57:03] (but the irc client is weird in pidgin like in every multi im) [21:57:35] is ding mult client too nocaic ? [21:58:08] !g ding icq [21:58:10] 564,000 results | Ding, ICQ! - CarForums.net - Automotive Chat Forum @ http://www.carforums.net/showthread.php?t=13184 | Re: ICQ(Ding!) @ http://www.mail-archive.com/redhat-list@redhat.com/msg12112.html | ICQ: A user's guide @ http://www.geekgirls.com/net_icq_guide.htm [22:01:11] ding is a dictionary, no icq client, i guess [22:01:21] DNS: indeed., pidgin rocks, but for IRC one should use a real client. [22:05:33] y0 :) [22:06:39] Y0 [22:12:15] Kebap23, DNS, nocaic, paxton: Sixth_Ape was asking about a possibility to stay in Germany near the Köln during some bike meeting, i'm just forwarding the message so if you guys can help, then please let him know [22:13:58] i live in the north [22:14:02] thats not near koeln [22:14:05] :-/ [22:14:28] what does he want to couchsurf? [22:15:00] *** Joins: Atomraider (Atomraider@RBOSE-fbe85eb7.catv.broadband.hu) [22:15:03] DNS - I use QUASSEL normally... fcukBuntu only has a crappy cut down version of the real version - which is a server (daemon irc (connected to the irc server)) and a client (which can be launched more than 1 time across a SSL tunnel).... now that is AWESOME ;-) [22:15:06] i think so :) [22:15:39] dont speak so bad about ubuntu :D [22:15:39] on crapBuntu the daemon and server can't be 'split' [22:15:53] ubuntu helps a lot to get ppl into the gnu/linux world [22:15:59] tell me which OS else? [22:16:01] and that is 1 of 100 similar counts [22:16:39] nocaic, the ubuntu has a really very good system for community collaboration, that's missing unfortunately in gentoo [22:17:31] working together is so simple that i decided to switch for now :) [22:17:41] lukas: which system are you talking about there? [22:17:52] launchpad [22:18:41] how is that connected? [22:18:51] wit bazaaaaaar [22:18:53] lol [22:18:55] :) [22:18:57] lukas: I use funtoo on my laptop and gentoo on my normal PC... they both work a charm [22:19:32] never heard of funtoo [22:19:33] lukas: and seeing as I am into building embedded linux systems anyway - I use portage occasionally to build things for work (where I made the one or other custom ebuild) [22:19:41] nocaic: you ever tested sabayon? [22:20:20] DNS: funtoo is gentoo reborn the the original gentoo developer... it's slightly more up to date - and it's biggest feature - portage based on git [22:20:42] sounds nice [22:20:43] sabayon is beautifull [22:20:48] :-D [22:20:53] Kebap23, through bazaar → ppa [22:20:53] :-) [22:20:55] DNS: sabayon is gentoo without the fun [22:20:56] I love sabayon [22:20:58] ^^ [22:21:05] heh [22:21:27] is that love to compile everything always? [22:21:51] you need tough nads to install gentoo - but once that is kicked - you hardly have a problem (assuming you have 1 eye on the majour api changes announced) [22:21:53] :-D [22:23:05] Julius: USE flags are gentoo's biggest strength if you ask me... [22:23:18] and afaik that part is not forseen in sabayon [22:23:38] I was breifly considering arch the other day - but choose funtoo agian once more =P [22:25:09] for EG - I wanted a custom USB stick distro - I need it for the development work I do at work... Currently working on an automation to - download + configure + compile + install - a full gentoo install onto a stick firing 1 command [22:25:26] now if that is not cool then I dunno ^^ [22:27:00] nocaic: it exist there, you can do what ever you want like in gento, but you are not forced to [22:27:24] kk [22:27:36] I stand corrected [22:27:38] lukas: this sounds interesting, but i cant find any tutorial on how this works. do you have an example? [22:28:47] Kebap23: http://showmedo.com/videotutorials/video?name=1510070&fromSeriesID=151 [22:28:51] :x [22:29:28] thanks dns [22:30:43] lol but this guy is weird [22:30:59] i dont think he will mention ubuntu :/ [22:31:07] havin an open source blog and usin windows to present bazaar is fukkin lame [22:31:07] Kebap23, https://launchpad.net/~slicer/+archive/ppa [22:31:08] lol [22:31:09] URL Title: PPA for Thorvald Natvig : Thorvald Natvig (at launchpad.net) [22:31:20] that is for mumble for example [22:31:54] but thats a personal ppa [22:32:00] not an official ubuntu one [22:32:32] true, and every debian/ubuntu user can simply add such a repository and use a compiled code [22:32:44] yea :) [22:33:01] and create own repository also [22:33:09] yes :) [22:33:31] i still dont get it :D anyway, will check that out [22:34:02] and ofc bazaar (lp:group/project/branch) let's everybody access sources (regardless of distro) [22:35:08] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu [22:35:11] URL Title: Ubuntu in Launchpad (at launchpad.net) [22:35:24] gentoo is about as near the matrix as i'd like to be :D [22:35:36] haha [22:36:27] but right now im running ubuntu maverick here (10.10). Works great :) [22:36:43] in less than a month the stable rls comes out [22:36:44] :D [22:36:58] i consider it pretty stable right now :) [22:37:03] *** Joins: Hakufu (Hakufu@RBOSE-8bcf38b4.bredband.tre.se) [22:37:04] :) [22:37:15] maybe not for production machines, but on a lappy it works perfect [22:37:46] * lukas <3 gentoo, just the compilation of 2GB for example on current machine... [22:37:54] ...and as i said, it really takes 3 minutes (ssh keys generation, registration) to make a dev from nondev [22:38:05] *** Hakufu is now known as Guest7839 [22:38:07] *** Joins: neocortex (Hermes@RBOSE-067b594f.iinet.net.au) [22:38:19] *** Guest7839 is now known as hakufus [22:38:21] ...with ubuntu [22:38:48] :) [22:39:00] ppa is great stuff [22:39:56] guys, let me bring an old subject: http://paste.debian.net/88957 [22:39:57] URL Title: debian Pastezone (at paste.debian.net) [22:40:49] this is the registered stuff in the old RSS plugin and I wonder what we want to reactivate from that in the new one? [22:41:40] all! [22:41:49] and if some1 distrubs we can del it [22:41:50] lol [22:42:01] some1 = something [22:42:03] lol [22:42:39] that's dehumanizing DNS, but sounds reasonable ;) [22:43:20] :-D [22:49:40] *** Quits: lundburgerr-TZM (lundburgerr@RBOSE-05844981.cust.bredband2.com) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [22:50:01] lol [22:51:14] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx14mSUH1qQ [22:51:15] You4Tube 2[Title] Avatar Two (HUNGRY BEAST) 2[Category] Entertainment 2[Duration] 0:02:46 2[Views] 17961 2[Rating] 4.79 2[Uploaded] 2010-05-28 2[Description] James Cameron's epic 3D spectacular has topped 2 billion US dollars at the box office and, despite numerous allegations of plagiarism, was one of the top contenders for the 2010 Academy Awards. Now Hungry Beast brings you the world premiere of the world's most anticipated sequel [22:51:42] http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/robotics-needs-a-w3c/7307 [22:51:44] URL Title: Robotics needs a W3C | ZDNet (at www.zdnet.com) [22:56:04] lukas i was searchin for a recommended documentary from u, pandora box, but cant find a link so far... but i found the vid above instead as i was searchin for pandora box [22:56:18] :D [22:58:10] http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/ [22:58:11] URL Title: Eben Moglen (at emoglen.law.columbia.edu) [22:58:13] DNS, https://isohunt.com/torrent_details/135637837/pandora+box?tab=summary [22:58:15] URL Title: Adam Curtis Collection › pandora box › isoHunt › the BitTorrent & P2P search engine (at isohunt.com) [22:58:22] hm no stream? [22:58:29] but thx :) [22:59:15] yw, i couldn't find one as well [22:59:56] found a stream http://www.archive.org/details/AdamCurtis_PandorasBox [22:59:58] there is a chance to find it by episode's names [22:59:58] URL Title: Adam Curtis -- Pandora's Box : Adam Curtis : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive (at www.archive.org) [23:00:21] :) [23:00:47] seems archive.org is taking care about good stuff :) [23:00:54] just didnt remember the name of the direct0r [23:01:03] :D [23:04:47] http://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_the_child_driven_education.html [23:04:48] URL Title: Sugata Mitra: The child-driven education | Video on TED.com (at www.ted.com) [23:04:49] HI guys! [23:04:49] <3 [23:04:51] !hug all [23:04:52] * RBOSE expands his arms and hugs the whole #RBOSE. :D [23:05:10] hi GhettoTux :D [23:05:17] long time no see :) [23:05:19] How are you man? [23:06:10] all is in good shape, thanks, looking into projects :) how about you? [23:06:32] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGohKgNOXnU [23:06:33] You4Tube 2[Title] Sesame Street: The Goo Goo Dolls and Elmo Sing Pride 2[Category] Entertainment 2[Duration] 0:02:24 2[Views] 522986 2[Rating] 4.83 2[Uploaded] 2009-01-15 2[Description] For more videos and games check out our new website at http://www.sesamestreet.org In this clip, Elmo sings with the Goo Goo Dolls. Sesame Street is a production of Sesame Workshop, a nonprofit educational organization which also produces Pinky Dink [23:09:20] *** Quits: warpi (bengt@RBOSE-4720ad49.cust.telenor.se) (Quit: Leaving.) [23:10:51] i'm sick, got a headache and fever [23:10:55] but the mood is good :) [23:11:05] So I'd say life is great as always :) [23:11:15] :) [23:15:22] * DNS- offers GhettoTux some nice elder tea and gives him calf packing [23:17:53] *** Joins: Cyclo (Cyclo@C5AB1F.517811.C1AA74.06E43B) [23:20:52] http://www.ted.com/talks/carne_ross_an_independent_diplomat.html [23:20:53] URL Title: Carne Ross: An independent diplomat | Video on TED.com (at www.ted.com) [23:25:04] watch it! [23:25:21] theres a lot to watch [23:25:25] scroll up [23:25:28] :p [23:29:03] *** Quits: Atomraider (Atomraider@RBOSE-fbe85eb7.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4546, sources date: 20100519, built on: 2010-06-28 07:30:12 UTC 4546 http://www.kvirc.net) [23:33:32] hehe [23:33:36] i never scroll up [23:33:50] take to much time to view all the videos :P [23:34:10] Now i'm going to watch Stargate <3 [23:41:24] *massages GhettoTux' head* [23:41:35] prr prr [23:41:38] !hug neocortex [23:41:38] * RBOSE hugs neocortex for GhettoTux and hopes that neocortex enjoys it. :) [23:41:45] How are you my dearest of friends? :) [23:41:51] hi GhettoTux [23:41:58] good thanks [23:42:00] you? [23:42:20] I missed you this much: http://anarchy.net.au/images/ThisMuchPenguin.jpg [23:43:43] *** Quits: Cyclo (Cyclo@C5AB1F.517811.C1AA74.06E43B) (Quit: Leaving) [23:47:33] Kebap23: http://dotsub.com/transcribe/d0ff303e-0fba-4701-84d0-690e6619712b [23:47:35] URL Title: Login | dotSUB (at dotsub.com) [23:51:55] *** Quits: hakufus (Hakufu@RBOSE-8bcf38b4.bredband.tre.se) (Quit: )