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[00:17:35] like in bleach [00:17:37] XD [00:18:12] hellow all [00:18:22] hollow indeed [00:18:30] i just saw some statistics [00:18:59] *** Quits: Kimsan (Kim@RBOSE-a335de8c.cust.tele2.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [00:19:33] Hello [00:19:34] there are more deaths by obesity and overweight than by malnutrition [00:26:06] *** Quits: Norby (qwebirc@RBOSE-132f05d0.cable.virginmedia.com) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [00:27:33] *** Quits: Diago_ (Diago@B38B54.5998A2.607C4F.365FD2) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [00:30:12] *** Quits: hellfire77 (qwebirc@5F1CD7.14D722.49F61C.031B37) (Quit: Page closed) [00:39:35] http://www.multiupload.com/PMKYDNYAO3 [00:39:36] URL Title: Multiupload.com - upload your files to multiple file hosting sites! 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[01:02:56] *** Quits: Diago (Diago@B38B54.5998A2.607C4F.365FD2) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [01:03:09] if you want pillow talk you have to spoon me first [01:03:21] dont ever beleive ive heard that [01:03:59] * humanity slaps BranManFloMore around a bit with a large fishbot [01:04:39] good head in a beer means its good to the last drop [01:05:08] is that like hold it in your mouth till the swelling goes down [01:05:22] Hmmm.... [01:05:35] because her knees are dirty means shes the head nurse [01:05:46] hey whats up BranMan [01:05:51] i was bored [01:06:03] *** Quits: Naeron_1984 (Naeron_1984@RBOSE-b24c4b90.pool.telekom.hu) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [01:06:32] so was there an RBOSE meeting yesterday? [01:06:42] Don't think so. [01:06:53] so no umbrella [01:07:03] so no RBE in our lifetime [01:07:20] hell 2012 be here before we know it anyway [01:07:31] I felt ignored: http://www.rbefoundation.com/grouptopic.php?p=18033#p18033 [01:07:33] URL Title: Meeting: 10/10/2010 (Event 1) (at www.rbefoundation.com) [01:07:37] my son just asked me to get off [01:07:41] So much for RBE. [01:07:46] so brb [01:07:51] Okay. [01:11:58] -|UFO|- Kebap_23 has joined on FREENODE [01:13:20] *** Quits: humanity (qwebirc@RBOSE-8f2d6a66.flo.bellsouth.net) (Quit: Page closed) [01:14:43] -|UFO|- Kebap23 has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [01:15:37] http://www.multiupload.com/PMKYDNYAO3 [01:15:38] URL Title: Multiupload.com - upload your files to multiple file hosting sites! (at www.multiupload.com) [01:20:39] *** Quits: Cybernix (qwebirc@RBOSE-399e54d1.tn.glocalnet.net) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [01:56:36] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0TEkkPjNJk&feature=topvideos [01:56:37] You4Tube 2[Title] Ask Milly! (A YouTube Interview Parody) 2[Category] Comedy 2[Duration] 0:07:01 2[Views] 104740 2[Rating] 4.82 2[Uploaded] 2010-10-10 2[Description] Subscribe for more Milly! http://www.youtube.com/thefinebros Milly wants your questions! Leave a video response or leave questions at the Moderator! http://www.youtube.com/thefinebros Milly has had enough with other little kids on YouTube, and finally makes he [01:57:18] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIx6f1DrQIo [01:57:19] You4Tube 2[Title] Beer Bottle House "Empty bottles. Full life" -ecoideasnet 2[Category] People 2[Duration] 0:02:40 2[Views] 200170 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2010-01-27 2[Description] http://eco-ideas.net/story/id/23/ http://twitter.com/ecoideasnet Tito Ingenieri built his house out of six million empty bottles. He will gladly teach anyone how to build this kind of ecological house that recycles materials and keeps the stre [02:05:20] hahha [02:05:22] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJZEO3BE74g&feature=player_embedded#at=16 [02:05:23] You4Tube 2[Title] The Venus Project is not a political Movement 2[Category] Education 2[Duration] 0:03:34 2[Views] 36 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2010-10-10 2[Description] Part 2 of the debate, discussion in Kingman, AZ, at the Mohave County Public Library on October 1, 2010. T. Roberts for The Venus Project and The Zeitgeist Movement and Lucca Zanna for the U.S. Constitution. This is a heavy issue for the residents of Ariz [02:15:02] Caly, that's an awesome house. [02:19:54] BranManFloMizzle: yeah, it's cool [02:20:15] BranManFloMore: you've seen the floating island? [02:20:25] made from plastic bottles... (?) [02:20:31] No. [02:21:08] oh, ok, wait.... [02:21:53] http://ecoble.com/2007/11/18/250000-bottles-amazing-recycled-mexican-island-paradise/ [02:21:55] URL Title: Man (Re)Builds Mexican Island Paradise on 250,000 Recycled Floating Bottles | Ecoble (at ecoble.com) [02:22:19] and i just found the perfect netting to start filling with bottles! =P [02:22:36] * BranManFloMore examines [02:23:39] http://www.skogma.se/Servlet?page=1&setframeinfo=true&client=6&parent=s2462 [02:23:40] URL Title: Skogsmateriel Nordforest AB (at www.skogma.se) [02:23:54] in swedish, but you see the specs... =P [02:24:19] BranManFloMore: what is your currrency? [02:24:42] US [02:25:07] oh, ok... so let's see here... [02:26:33] so... about 270$ for 1 [02:26:53] for 1½ km of net tube of 55cm radius [02:27:37] should get us pretty far as to stuffing bottles for an island, don't you think? =P [02:28:25] $270 to buy a plastic bottle island? [02:30:57] *** Quits: iderik (iderik@RBOSE-e55ba99c.bb.online.no) (Quit: Lost terminal) [02:34:31] hmm... 55cm radius times 1500m length equals....356 cubic meters.... if filled to 70% with air, has a boyance of about 250 toms. [02:34:39] *metric tons [02:35:01] It survived two hurricanes and two tropical storms. [02:35:05] Wow... [02:35:26] BranManFloMore: that was the net needed to keep the bottles together. [02:35:53] or rather, the net i found that i think is sufficient and not to degradable. [02:36:32] it's used to wrap x-mas trees in =) [02:36:40] *for wrapping [02:37:28] that floating island guy seemed to use fishing net or sumthin [02:37:57] It only mentioned what he was growing. [02:37:59] Hmmm... [02:38:10] to wide holes, i think using slmaller holes is good for using smaller bottles, if you mix bottle-sizes you propably get a higher density too [02:38:55] and boi, do i recycle alot of bottles for all kinds of things. 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[15:37:58] wiki is down [15:38:14] rbose.org website is down [15:38:34] umm strange [15:38:58] dev.rbose.org/wiki IS up [15:39:39] kalken, i shut down the apache for a while on main [15:40:04] ok :) [15:40:23] trying to work around some wiki mess, i guess you can read that in #wiki [16:02:04] *** Joins: Diago (Diago@RBOSE-0868124f.epm.net.co) [16:03:01] *** Quits: Diago (Diago@RBOSE-0868124f.epm.net.co) (Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~) [16:08:56] *** Quits: Norby (qwebirc@RBOSE-132f05d0.cable.virginmedia.com) (Quit: Page closed) [16:13:16] lukas: you around mate? [16:24:43] sorry GhettoTux, i missed that [16:26:24] *** Joins: Tuohimetsa (Mouho1@RBOSE-1ee93638.abo.fi) [16:27:45] Hi Tuohimetsa [16:38:13] *** Joins: maistroo (maistrootatto@RBOSE-d572eb7a.pool.telekom.hu) [16:38:17] *** Quits: maistroo (maistrootatto@RBOSE-d572eb7a.pool.telekom.hu) (Connection closed) [16:41:25] *** Quits: Absalom (Absalom@RBOSE-96a728da.lavasoft.com) (Quit: Leaving) [16:43:19] `fortune [16:43:20] <|UFO|> Viper: Your best consolation is the hope that the things you failed to get weren't really worth having. 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I would be interested in learning what happened ... [19:20:00] *** Joins: iamme2 (iamme@A96332.EE04F8.39DE23.881F44) [19:20:16] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@A96332.5202BD.2477C6.D08524) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [19:22:54] hi meduard :) [19:23:03] hi lukas ... [19:23:27] so, wha happened? :) I'm interested ... is that ok? [19:25:18] sure, i can shortly describe it, i got banned because i work with other guys who have been banned before, and i was asking questions which PJ and the others didn't want to answer [19:25:49] their official reason you will find here: [19:25:51] in other words, business as usual ... [19:26:04] ,lmgtfy suspended users [19:26:05] lukas: http://bit.ly/aN5eLt [19:26:42] I was banned too for similar reasons ... too many questions :) [19:27:25] you see the zm in top of the whole Internet, lol [19:28:28] great site you've founded though [19:28:49] I like that you get banned for raising questions <3 [19:29:09] I was saying the same thing from the very beginning that the OS movement is microcosm of Venus Project [19:29:18] i was just a part of the team who formed it :) [19:29:49] I consider it a seed from which VP can grow :) [19:30:11] *** Quits: iamme2 (iamme@A96332.EE04F8.39DE23.881F44) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [19:30:31] FAT64: yeah, I was studying some examples on RBEF forum ... very enlightening :) [19:32:48] he problems with TVP is that they don't want to work with open source, they don't understand it it. Once we asked then PJ what part of the project they want to hide and there was no answer, but clearly everything what TVP is doing is proprietary. [19:32:55] lukas: what questions were so hard for them to answer? I would add that to my exhibition for my chapter :) they need to realize what's happening ... [19:33:59] this is actually very interesting ... VP is doing everything upside down contrasted with what they say [19:36:38] meduard, i think i could find a time later to tell more about it, but here we try to leave that behind, so we could maybe talk in other channel to not spam this one, if you care about this subject much. [19:36:52] I was listening to a guy the other day who calls VP outright scam and I don't know, I considered these things to be mere incompetence ... but it's becoming too much and too bizarre, I'm confused about this now [19:37:14] O_o [19:38:25] you're right, action is needed not complaining ... I'm just trying to analyze the situation ... [19:38:36] hey Lukas and meduard [19:38:48] hey Billll [19:38:56] *** Joins: Diago_ (Diago@RBOSE-0868124f.epm.net.co) [19:40:05] meduard I take it your apart of TZM [19:40:51] Well, yes and no ... I like the general idea but I do not like "official" approach and methods [19:41:36] I agree [19:41:43] I started my own zeitgeist movement [19:41:56] *** Quits: Diago (Diago@RBOSE-0868124f.epm.net.co) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [19:42:06] The Billllllmovement, with an amish attitude. [19:42:17] yeah, there seems to be a lot of "splinter group" as PJ calles them springing up :) [19:42:57] and that's a good thing, diversity is good [19:43:04] http://tzm.hopto.org [19:43:06] URL Title: The Zeitgeist Movement (at tzm.hopto.org) [19:43:29] PJ doesn't seem to think that way ... he wants to be a dictator :) [19:43:55] what is his views on the organization? [19:43:59] I'm not sure at all [19:44:24] meduard, agreed, diversity seems to be the natural layout in the universe, it started simple as we think and is getting more complex :) [19:44:56] *** Quits: halott (qwebirc@RBOSE-9c1c4f9a.pool.t-online.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [19:46:52] well, only top-down hierachical structures are simple ... freedom is chaotic ;) [19:47:22] that's why authoritarian personalities hate it ... [19:47:39] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@A96332.9941FA.37EC9D.8FBA96) [19:49:21] indeed [19:49:23] *** Joins: Atomraider (Atomraider@RBOSE-fbe85eb7.catv.broadband.hu) [19:49:40] does RBOSE plan to be something like sourceforge providing tools for open-source developement or more features are planned? [19:50:05] meduard that depends on the individuals within rbose =P [19:50:16] I'm particularily interested whether you plan to develop some fundraising infrastructure for the individual projects [19:50:17] meduard, we all have different ideas on the future of the environment. [19:50:50] meduard, not atm. Most things are run strictly on a voluntary basis. [19:51:04] many of us are thinking about this direction you asked about, and not only about software but hardware as well :) [19:51:40] I think rbose is a bit like a social expriment, maintinaing a no bann pplicy for the most part on rbose communication mediums, open source, and have as flat of a structure as possible [19:51:59] here comes the diversity again, great answer! I find that too many people try too hard to steer their projects, not you ... that's great ... I like that [19:52:49] meduard, im not sure what you mean by "steer", but most of the project have a generalist approach in terms of connecting their development to what most of us find valuable. [19:53:02] See the What?Why?How? text for more info on that ^^ [19:54:03] you will find people here who think that the freedom is the fundamental piece of development process, and if we want to build a free society, then we cannot not think about this aspect - to avoid the problem of different meanings of "freedom" for everyone, we try to talk about specific freedoms, some of them are well defined so nothing like chaos there, just different perspectives [19:54:06] I'm asking because there already is quallity infrastructure for OS projects and what I find lacking is some simple mechanism to reward the developers for their work [19:56:04] social bounds, scale and importance of what we do seems to be a great reward :D [19:56:46] kman-afk: I meant too of a rigid inflexible "vision" and kicking out those who deviate from that [19:56:59] Thanks for clarifying ^^ [19:57:01] ...but on daily basis the freedom to work on something what one cars about is just an amazing thing for creative people :) [19:57:31] cares* [19:57:47] *** Joins: hakufu (androirc@C5AB1F.3E83DA.027DFB.2D35A7) [19:57:55] lukas: well, people need money to live, if they need to have a job it takes away a lot of time they could do this ... but surely there are also concerns about introducing real currency like corruption [19:57:57] *** Joins: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-c794f3cc.mobileonline.telia.com) [19:58:50] *** hakufu is now known as Guest47244 [19:58:50] People need natural resources to live. [19:59:00] I was thinking about ways to accelerate the developement of OS software [19:59:01] we are thinking about this, please take a look at one of the projects: http://rbose.org/wiki/How_to_reduce_costs_in_your_life%3F [19:59:02] URL Title: How to reduce costs in your life? - RBOSE (at rbose.org) [20:00:18] *** Quits: Guest47244 (androirc@C5AB1F.3E83DA.027DFB.2D35A7) (Quit: Bye) [20:00:36] interesting, thanks [20:01:06] I had something like Kickstarter for OS projects in mind [20:01:23] if you're familiar with Kickstarter [20:02:28] anyway, that's irrelevant ... maybe when I get to it I'll make such a site and then we can collaborate [20:02:40] ok :) [20:03:09] -|UFO|- fossrox has quit FREENODE (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [20:04:26] -|UFO|- fossrox has joined on FREENODE [20:04:27] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v fossrox [20:05:10] ok, thank you ... great effort and I'll surely contact you when there is going to be a project we can collaborate on ;) [20:06:11] meduard, kickstarted is of course an alternative, however right now we arnt really working on any monetarily intensive projects. [20:06:13] *** Quits: johnr69 (qwebirc@RBOSE-88c1979e.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [20:06:34] It will become an issue eventually, so thanks for bringing up the subject ^^ [20:07:25] *** Joins: OliveRsal (qwebirc@RBOSE-9b9fad65.catv.broadband.hu) [20:07:26] kman-afk: yeah, that's probably a good thing at this stage ... I was thinking in more general terms and how to attract more programmers to develop OS [20:08:16] hello [20:08:58] *** Quits: OliveRsal (qwebirc@RBOSE-9b9fad65.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [20:13:52] meduard, starting with monetary funding is probably not the best way. That being based on what iv found OS developers to value as motivating. [20:15:52] 0racle, go0gle and other similar places are good people who focus on this [20:15:58] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@A96332.9941FA.37EC9D.8FBA96) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [20:16:20] sure, I was refering to not working at monetarily intensive projects as a good thing at this stage :) [20:17:39] lukas: not really ... I do not mean corporate structure where programmers are employees ... I ment grassroots funding like kickstarter [20:18:01] lukas: that doesn't exist AFAIK [20:18:15] *** Joins: halott (qwebirc@RBOSE-9c1c4f9a.pool.t-online.hu) [20:19:05] *** Quits: halott (qwebirc@RBOSE-9c1c4f9a.pool.t-online.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [20:19:08] but hopefully will soon :) [20:23:11] Diaspora was funded via kickstarter. There is nothing stopping programming efforts being funder through there. [20:27:20] and the illusion of money will go on and on, because human beings obsessively (like moneys in experiments) afraid of loosing something, even if that actually would benefit them [20:27:38] monkeys* [20:29:48] *** Joins: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-5aa36246.biz.rr.com) [20:30:05] hi Brandon :) [20:30:36] Hey Lukas :) [20:34:02] *** Joins: paxton (pax@RBOSE-0fa1bd4b.dip.t-dialin.net) [20:35:52] hello pax :) [20:36:04] hi lukas, hi all [20:36:25] Hey pax [20:36:39] bran :) [20:36:53] *** Quits: Norby (qwebirc@RBOSE-132f05d0.cable.virginmedia.com) (Quit: Page closed) [20:41:25] *** Joins: Cyclo (Cyclo@C5AB1F.517811.C1AA74.06E43B) [20:44:36] <|UFO|> 08<06Out`Of`Control@FREENODE08> Hey people of rbose :D [20:44:59] Hey Out Of Control [20:45:02] *** Joins: Hakufu (Hakufu@RBOSE-5f6e233d.bredband.tre.se) [20:45:14] <|UFO|> 08<06Out`Of`Control@FREENODE08> :D [20:52:44] *** Joins: halott (qwebirc@RBOSE-9c1c4f9a.pool.t-online.hu) [20:53:10] *** Joins: rebel (qwebirc@RBOSE-31c02648.pool.digikabel.hu) [20:59:38] *** Quits: meduard (qwebirc@RBOSE-4b5afc11.95-103-124.t-com.sk) (Quit: Page closed) [21:00:41] *** Joins: plautus (plautus@RBOSE-512d31d6.shawneelink.net) [21:00:42] *** plautus is now known as Grits [21:08:46] *** Quits: paxton (pax@RBOSE-0fa1bd4b.dip.t-dialin.net) (Connection closed) [21:15:00] *** Joins: Sky (qwebirc@RBOSE-3511f9dc.static.versatel.nl) [21:15:21] *** Quits: Sky (qwebirc@RBOSE-3511f9dc.static.versatel.nl) (Quit: test FAIL) [21:17:40] *** Joins: lundburgerr-TZM (lundburgerr@5048B2.E9D5BE.E339CA.C53C66) [21:18:06] *** Joins: Emerik (qwebirc@RBOSE-9e1488fa.catv.broadband.hu) [21:26:55] http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/foto/8e524631_Afrika.jpg [21:29:04] wonderful picture :) [21:32:03] *** Joins: Kimsan (Kim@RBOSE-a335de8c.cust.tele2.se) [21:32:30] zup people! [21:35:13] I have vague memory of a wiki page or something like that we're we made a list of a bunch of RBOSE people + their skills? [21:35:21] is this true or am I just making things up?? :) [21:36:05] there is/was page like that [21:36:06] it existed [21:36:12] it was STRANGELY attractive [21:36:18] http://rbose.org/wiki/Resources [21:36:19] URL Title: Resources - RBOSE (at rbose.org) [21:36:27] there we go [21:36:32] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENxQtsZzZ8A [21:36:33] You4Tube 2[Title] Porn Tech Support with CH Star of the Week Kunal Nayyar CollegeHumor Video 2[Category] Comedy 2[Duration] 0:03:20 2[Views] 303 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2010-10-12 2[Description] This video has no description. [21:36:35] you the man BranManFloMore :) [21:36:46] :) You're welcome. [21:45:32] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@A96332.AE5EF9.DE6D5F.2AB97D) [21:47:38] http://d01.megashares.com/?d01=XaKi1I4 [21:47:40] URL Title: Megashares - Drag. Drop. Yup. The first site to provide FREE file hosting with drag n drop support. (at d01.megashares.com) [21:56:34] -|UFO|- ciacon has joined on FREENODE [21:56:35] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v ciacon [21:59:16] *** Quits: Emerik (qwebirc@RBOSE-9e1488fa.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [22:02:38] -|UFO|- ciacon has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [22:04:34] -|UFO|- ciacon has joined on FREENODE [22:04:35] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v ciacon [22:07:51] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@A96332.AE5EF9.DE6D5F.2AB97D) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [22:17:17] *** Quits: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-c794f3cc.mobileonline.telia.com) (Connection closed) [22:21:24] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@A96332.9941FA.8B4512.EF4B47) [22:21:47] *** Joins: humanity (qwebirc@E0E056.37BB12.CBB70F.F72205) [22:27:01] *** Quits: adam (qwebirc@RBOSE-bb0cc19a.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Quit: Page closed) [22:29:23] what do you think of the ass as a whole? I think it should be wiped out completly. [22:30:01] Richard Petty gave me the fastest match of my wrestling career. [22:31:29] if i was bit on the nuts by a snake, would you suck the poison out or would you say im going to die? [22:32:06] say,"you are going to die". [22:33:14] *** Quits: rebel (qwebirc@RBOSE-31c02648.pool.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [22:33:16] *** Quits: halott (qwebirc@RBOSE-9c1c4f9a.pool.t-online.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [22:33:29] have you ever seen a women so beautiful that you would eat the peanuts out her terd? [22:33:49] I have not. [22:34:09] hey BranMan, i thought i was alone [22:34:43] My stuff defaults on mute sometimes. [22:34:47] Sorry about that. [22:34:55] Not sure what you are talking about though. [22:34:56] LoL [22:35:40] how about that green city that has a brain, pretty cool, yes [22:36:09] Sounds like a nucleus. [22:36:15] lol [22:36:30] That's how all cells operate. [22:36:31] :) [22:36:35] *** Quits: Cyclo (Cyclo@C5AB1F.517811.C1AA74.06E43B) (Quit: Leaving) [22:36:41] just tea bag him [22:36:43] But which city? [22:38:27] http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20827814.800-the-green-city-that-has-a-brain.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news [22:38:28] URL Title: The green city that has a brain - tech - 11 October 2010 - New Scientist (at www.newscientist.com) [22:39:50] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU8jCa_dKTM&feature=player_embedded [22:39:51] You4Tube 2[Title] Authors@Google: Peter Schiff 2[Category] Education 2[Duration] 1:04:17 2[Views] 46929 2[Rating] 4.95 2[Uploaded] 2009-05-06 2[Description] The Authors@Google program welcomed Peter Schiff to Google's NY office to discuss his book, "Crash Proof: How to Profit from the Coming Economic Collapse". "Peter Schiff is an American economic commentator, author and licensed stock broker who currently serves as presid [22:40:05] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bf48-zygFc&feature=player_embedded [22:40:06] You4Tube 2[Title] Temporary Basis 2[Category] Shows 2[Duration] 0:01:48 2[Views] 302 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2010-10-12 2[Description] Nancy and Andy wait to see a pediatrician. [22:43:41] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@A96332.9941FA.8B4512.EF4B47) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [22:43:43] *** Joins: iamme2 (iamme@A96332.EDF977.D7C4C4.05F0B2) [22:44:03] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTTTs39OJ80 [22:44:04] You4Tube 2[Title] Authors@Google: Bob Gilbreath 2[Category] Education 2[Duration] 0:49:44 2[Views] 4157 2[Rating] 4.00 2[Uploaded] 2010-02-24 2[Description] Bob Gilbreath visits Google's San Francisco office to present his book "The Next Evolution of Marketing: Connect with Your Customers by Marketing with Meaning". This event took place on December 8, 2009, as part of the Authors@Google series. THE NEW LAW OF MARKETING T [22:45:13] http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs382.ash2/66075_145601802151470_100001049537431_250272_7269091_n.jpg [22:45:17] empty ? [22:46:24] lol,lol,lol,lol,lol! [22:46:44] still cracking up, and thats not funny! [22:47:08] Hmmm.... [22:47:34] still chuckling! [22:48:53] ill bet i can flip you and stick ypu, before you can roll me and blow me [22:50:22] * humanity slaps God around a bit with a large fishbot [22:50:38] feels good! [22:50:43] ahhh [22:50:51] Oh, you're so going to hell for that. [22:50:52] LoL [22:50:53] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENxQtsZzZ8A&feature=player_embedded [22:50:54] You4Tube 2[Title] Porn Tech Support with CH Star of the Week Kunal Nayyar CollegeHumor Video 2[Category] Comedy 2[Duration] 0:03:20 2[Views] 303 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2010-10-12 2[Description] This video has no description. [22:51:02] haha the guy talking about next evolution in marketing makes my head go "meow meow meow meow" [22:51:19] there is no "next" evolution for marketing afaiak [22:51:22] "it was a babysitter and the guy was dressed like a giant baby' [22:51:40] adblock has solved that problem for good [22:52:07] at the end he states that [22:52:09] surfing the internet without adblock is almost as bad as watching tv [22:52:09] 'that's not what our records are showing" [22:52:11] i think [22:53:18] i do love the ripples! [22:53:26] adblock is ok for the host file list [22:53:46] spyware blaster also has some very nice preventative meds [22:53:58] xp anti spy [22:54:03] xp tweak [22:54:07] i was on a computer without adblock and read the news. Seriously, i thought the computer had been hacked [22:54:07] nccleaner [22:54:27] also ScriptBlock [22:54:30] is nessisary [22:54:38] with out scripts sites cant run stuff on your pc [22:54:43] kalken, i also learned that people see adverts on youtube, and i was like wtf [22:55:16] hehe [22:55:26] i don't see any adverts on my box at all :) [22:55:26] haha [22:55:33] adblockplus is essential [22:55:48] spybot search and destroy for the host file i mean [22:55:56] we need to make a howto about that, because people don't know simply [22:55:59] peer block blocks a ton of ads too [22:56:28] ya how can we have a zeitgiest future if everybody dosn't know how to use adblock plus and element hidding helper?! [22:56:29] *** Joins: casti (qwebirc@RBOSE-922faa96.adsl.alicedsl.de) [22:56:29] wtf [22:56:42] *** Quits: casti (qwebirc@RBOSE-922faa96.adsl.alicedsl.de) (Quit: Page closed) [22:56:51] i hear peter doesn't even know how to use it [22:57:06] but don't tell anybody i told you that [22:57:14] *** Joins: casti (qwebirc@RBOSE-922faa96.adsl.alicedsl.de) [22:57:18] * BranManFloMore tries to keep a secret. [22:57:41] thunder is not raw veg any more [22:57:42] made for a woman, strong enough [22:57:45] after watching this commercial [22:57:46] http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/93724?fp=1 [22:57:48] URL Title: The Buzz Log - Gay-Friendly McDonalds Ad Goes Viral - Yahoo! Buzz (at buzz.yahoo.com) [22:58:17] not sure if our public logs will help with that secret thought [22:58:23] i love ripples [22:58:28] haha [22:58:41] come as you are... [22:58:44] mcdonalds [22:59:23] you guys seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLrxqiuLyM4 ? [22:59:23] You4Tube 2[Title] The Yes Men Fix The World [P2P Edition] 2[Category] Nonprofit 2[Duration] 1:35:40 2[Views] 110 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2010-10-01 2[Description] http://theyesmen.org/ http://theyesmen.org/lab http://vodo.net/yesmen This work is free-to-share under a Creative Commons license. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/ THE YES MEN FIX THE WORLD is a screwball true story about two gonzo political [22:59:51] great movie [23:00:00] *** Quits: Grits (plautus@RBOSE-512d31d6.shawneelink.net) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [23:00:26] *** Diago_ is now known as Diago [23:00:43] i leaked that movie to torrents [23:00:52] 6 months before they pulled their p2p stunt [23:01:01] they should have just done it that way from the begining [23:01:08] Looks like something I have to watch. [23:01:20] yup, later on [23:01:22] BranManFloMore, definitely yes [23:01:32] but but but [23:01:35] peace [23:01:36] we are NO men here [23:01:42] NO! [23:01:45] im a white boy [23:01:50] two kind of boys [23:01:57] and a cowboy [23:02:04] Well I am, it's in my name. [23:02:08] :) [23:02:17] level 4 trolls are not even considerable for the title man or boy [23:02:29] me level 4 [23:02:30] Oh... Damn. [23:02:45] didn't you get the memo from Pete [23:02:50] lol [23:03:01] i thought i found that book [23:03:03] i just found a review [23:03:06] i'm not a number, i'm a free man! [23:03:26] speaking about trolls: http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/windows-phone-7-the-best-choice-for-patent-trolls [23:03:27] URL Title: Windows Phone 7: the best choice for Patent Trolls. Free Software Foundation working together for free software (at www.fsf.org) [23:03:29] bye rbose [23:03:32] ,bye [23:03:33] humanity: Error: "bye" is not a valid command. [23:03:34] Seeing Like a State How Certain Schemes to Improve the Human Condition Have Failed The Institution for Social and Policy St by Professor James C Scott - 5 Star Book Review.pdf [23:03:40] *** Quits: humanity (qwebirc@E0E056.37BB12.CBB70F.F72205) (Quit: Page closed) [23:04:00] humanity is not a concept understood by the master computer [23:04:06] lukas: nice :D [23:05:12] "Power over users does that to any corporation." [23:05:13] ^^ [23:05:16] *** kman-afk is now known as kman [23:05:28] i have noticed that ppl that are not technological but care about the environment, seem to get the reprap idea pretty well [23:05:35] how it can lower consumtion etc [23:06:10] :) [23:06:12] thats actually a good way to getting those kinds of people to understand that technology is not the enemy [23:06:47] its human stupidity thats the enemy, as usual :D [23:08:04] the starting point for any social revolution is the recongnition of human behavior [23:08:21] starting with power leads to abuse and finding ways to create accountability to foster a breaking of that cycle [23:08:33] untill then there is no point of really talking any futher [23:08:37] and since the [23:09:11] people in high positions have exactly the amount of power, as the people under them give away [23:09:16] 'stalwart vangaurd' of their movement has been completely hypocritial and unable to address that they lack the capability to succeed [23:09:20] This shit is funny Lukas. [23:09:42] diogenez: 'stalwart vangaurd' of their movement has been completely hypocritial and unable to address that they lack the capability to succeed <--- I agree. [23:10:16] an examination of the tensions between state authorities and various unstable individuals throughout history, from hunter-gatherer tribes to Gypsies to the homeless. [23:10:38] the recurring patterns of failure and authoritarianism in certain social engineering programs aimed at bringing such people fully into the state [23:11:01] BranManFloMore, it is, but the message which stays after that movie, is like "money guys are totally brainwashed" and that is really sad, but you will see [23:12:34] a question at the heart of almost all our current civic debates, even in my own micro-field of schooling and education. I find myself saying, time and again, "Peter Joeseph's thinking like a state", and it fits and helps me resort out the conflict [23:13:14] :) [23:13:27] i have not heard it said that DNS is thinking like a state [23:13:55] jacque fresco thinking like a state? [23:13:57] yup [23:14:38] *** Quits: Naeron1984|2 (Naeron_1984@RBOSE-b24c4b90.pool.telekom.hu) (Client closed the connection) [23:15:07] i dont know why ppl are talking bad about tzm crew. Are there not a few milion others that are worse? those guys are actually trying to do something good in the end, and thats not what one can say about most of humanity :) [23:15:54] if one dont like it, do something different. If one likes it, make it better [23:16:28] if one dont like it -> talk bad about it. How often does this make things better? [23:17:12] because they made fools of themselfs and those that bought into their crap? who they in turn abused [23:17:34] it makes things better by making people aware of it to avoid its reoccurance [23:18:01] i like the comics in the background [23:19:04] hi casti :) [23:21:08] diogenez: i think smart people will choose the thing that works for them, if they are presented with alternatives, and that does not mean just be told what not to do. [23:22:02] *** Quits: casti (qwebirc@RBOSE-922faa96.adsl.alicedsl.de) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [23:22:40] TZM problems are summed up here in a few minutes (afaiak): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPQViNNOAkw [23:22:41] You4Tube 2[Title] Clay Shirky: Institutions vs. collaboration 2[Category] Tech 2[Duration] 0:20:47 2[Views] 34995 2[Rating] 4.90 2[Uploaded] 2008-07-14 2[Description] http://www.ted.com In this prescient 2005 talk, Clay Shirky shows how closed groups and companies will give way to looser networks where small contributors have big roles and fluid cooperation replaces rigid planning. [23:23:10] and it will solve itself when collaboration beats institutions regarding progress [23:24:14] kalken, it should work as long there is no extensive lobbing or emotional advertisement involved [23:24:20] isnt smart people one of thos things [23:24:26] an oxymoron [23:24:49] it is so far removed from e-prime [23:25:01] could never be considered accurate let along scientific [23:25:02] It's all about gold skeletons Lukas, I'm starting to see now. [23:25:14] along=alone [23:27:33] people generaly make choices to avoid harm givin awareness of the landscape [23:28:17] but as the corporation gains power hiding and drm protecting knowledge away from the grasp of the populace becomes rampant [23:28:59] diogenez: have you seen the video i posted? if not look at it. Pretty good aspects on things [23:30:14] *** Quits: iamme2 (iamme@A96332.EDF977.D7C4C4.05F0B2) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [23:31:25] so paying vtv is a coordination cost [23:31:44] ofc :) [23:39:10] *** Joins: plautus (plautus@RBOSE-512d31d6.shawneelink.net) [23:39:10] *** plautus is now known as Grits [23:42:48] denial anger [23:42:51] battering [23:42:53] acceptance [23:46:05] *** Joins: casti (qwebirc@RBOSE-922faa96.adsl.alicedsl.de) [23:47:23] hab nich gequited [23:47:39] moin lukas'n bunch [23:53:48] wb casti [23:55:18] what the buck [23:55:41] s bunny [23:55:47] :p [23:57:02] *** Joins: iderik (iderik@RBOSE-e55ba99c.bb.online.no) [23:57:03] ach SCHEISSE [23:57:29] moin ihh der rick [23:57:37] :O [23:57:38] :p [23:58:32] did anyone check ... any...thing [23:58:49] f... [23:59:00] np: Mindsone - Legion Of Doom (Prod By Kev Brown) http://callz.no-ip.com:8000/listen.pls [23:59:19] they call is the legion of doom your adverserry is the key to the toumb, we use diabolical schemes