[00:18:51] *** Quits: Absalom (xxx@RBOSE-1037a0dd.bredband.comhem.se) (Quit: ) [00:46:14] *** Joins: Mate (qwebirc@RBOSE-88169bdf.adsl.enternet.hu) [00:47:41] *** Quits: Mate (qwebirc@RBOSE-88169bdf.adsl.enternet.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [01:13:23] *** Quits: Antilect (Markus@RBOSE-e6ebb2a4.tbcn.telia.com) (Client closed the connection) [01:13:23] -|UFO|- Mecha has quit FREENODE (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [01:33:28] *** Joins: Aneiren (qwebirc@RBOSE-41e1e313.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net) [01:37:43] Hiya Guys! [01:37:51] Heya [01:38:13] Hii-YAA! ::Karate Chop:: [01:38:40] It's all about the karate chops. [01:40:29] Better than pork chops... but only just barely [01:40:42] mmmm pork chops [01:41:34] Hey, bran [01:41:56] You're both BranManFlow[Insert Random Term Here] Right? [01:44:23] *** Joins: humanity (qwebirc@RBOSE-b3fb1dd7.flo.bellsouth.net) [01:44:34] and then [01:44:45] came the light [01:45:00] Not sure what you mean Aneiren. [01:45:06] hi @ all [01:45:13] y0 [01:45:14] BranManFloMore: he means your both nicks [01:45:26] high [01:45:28] BranManFloMizzle = BranManFloMore [01:45:30] low [01:45:37] More Mizzel fo shizzle [01:45:53] why is that anyway [01:45:54] Hi DNS [01:45:58] Hi humanity [01:46:00] DNS, can you boot BranManFloMizzle? He's stalking us. [01:46:02] LoL [01:46:05] lol [01:46:16] ,idle BranManFloMizzle [01:46:16] BranManFloMore: Error: "idle" is not a valid command. [01:46:19] BTW, humanity, you really need to start speaking up over at RBEF [01:46:26] !idle BranManFloMizzle [01:46:28] BranManFloMizzle is idling in #RBOSE since 92 hours and 10 minutes... [01:46:44] It says right in the Mission Statement that they are doing it all for you personally. [01:46:48] !idle [01:46:48] Our Idle King in #RBOSE is pettter... without any word since 175 hours and 56 minutes ^_^ [01:47:08] Doesn't it ever kick them off? [01:47:12] I mean, they could be spies [01:47:19] depends on provider [01:47:23] <_< [01:47:27] >_> [01:47:30] or if server got problem heh [01:47:31] me ot you [01:47:31] <_< [01:47:41] or [01:47:49] you you. not me you [01:47:57] !sysinfo [01:47:58] Hostname: pest.rbose.org - OS: Linux 2.6.26-2-686/i686 - Distro: Debian squeeze/sid - CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (1999.998 MHz) - Processes: 113 - Uptime: 33d 16h 46m - Users: 0 - Load Average: 0.00 - Memory Usage: 337.64MB/1011.56MB (33.38%) - Disk Usage: 16.02GB/156.68GB (10.23%) [01:48:05] * BranManFloMore burps [01:48:11] bless you [01:48:19] Thank you. [01:48:25] Stop wasting my space with your new fangled "Techieness" [01:48:42] Tech = technology [01:48:45] 0_o [01:48:48] Teche = crazy [01:48:52] hmm... I wonder? [01:49:01] !bw [01:49:01] [LAN]: Incoming: (5.38) kb/s Outgoing: (2.85) kb/s. [01:49:51] know what a good buddy is? [01:49:53] Do you guys outside of SC say "That one's Teched for sure" to say someone is crazy? (Pronounced like Etched but with a T at the beginning [01:50:01] Someone you sleep with [01:50:27] who gets a blow job and brings you back one [01:50:29] "Friend are friends, but Buddies sleep together" [01:50:37] ... [01:50:37] LoL [01:50:39] I dunno [01:50:39] 0_o [01:50:49] Aneiren: Do you guys outside of SC say "That one's Teched for sure" to say someone is crazy? (Pronounced like Etched but with a T at the beginning <-- No. [01:50:53] * BranManFloMore sneezes [01:51:02] * DNS burpz [01:51:11] humanity didn't bless me at all. [01:51:13] What are these little gems are part of my unique heritage as a member of the country outside and inside the US [01:51:20] ,sneeze [01:51:20] Aneiren: Error: "sneeze" is not a valid command. [01:51:26] How do you DO that? [01:51:29] I hate you guys [01:51:34] I wanna be able to sneeze oo [01:51:36] too [01:51:38] you sound like neocortex [01:51:42] lol [01:51:52] ,seen neocortex [01:51:52] humanity: neocortex was last seen in #RBOSE 3 days, 19 hours, 19 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: me encanta el helado de chocolate cuando Marte se alinea con la guerra [01:52:02] damn [01:52:07] i wonder if hes comin back [01:52:08] Except this -> Swastika is the first time I've mentioned something offensive, Nigga [01:52:15] LOL [01:52:30] i asked him to stop with his nazi shit, and he was gettin angry about that [01:52:33] in mumble [01:52:43] ,seen ass [01:52:43] Aneiren: I have not seen ass. [01:52:51] He spoke in Mumble? [01:52:55] yep [01:53:01] Damn, I missed it. [01:53:01] bels branman he has satan [01:53:05] bless [01:53:11] 0_o [01:53:18] Satin? [01:53:28] saturn? [01:53:35] Otherwise... How do you "Have" satan? [01:54:03] in him [01:54:14] * BranManFloMore does an evil laugh. [01:54:21] Lucifer (bringer of light, Roman version of Prometheus) does not simply get "Had" [01:54:40] * DNS does an heavenly laugh [01:54:42] lol [01:55:02] had him over [01:55:11] or her [01:55:17] Lucifer? [01:55:24] You're pretty well connected, huh? [01:55:27] fiction [01:55:30] fukk all this bible and satan shit [01:55:37] Lucifer is in RBEF: http://rbefoundation.com/grouptopic.php?p=18250#p18250 [01:55:39] URL Title: Chinese resume (at rbefoundation.com) [01:55:42] LoL [01:55:43] lol [01:55:45] lol [01:55:52] for real [01:56:01] and god was in rbose! [01:56:05] .seen god [01:56:05] god was last seen online 17 hours, 34 minutes ago. [01:56:12] Hmmm.... [01:56:17] Aneiren, you believe in gods? [01:56:19] Darn Foreigners [01:56:24] ... [01:56:28] Weird timing [01:56:39] 7:56 [01:56:55] ,seen god [01:56:55] DNS: god was last seen in #RBOSE 1 week, 2 days, 23 hours, 16 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: you belive in God? [01:56:58] No, I mean, You ask if I believe in gods and I respond "Damn Foreigners" [01:57:14] lol [01:57:30] Umm... I have a suitably out there and bizarre theory [01:57:31] god is alein [01:57:35] No [01:57:40] God is not a gray [01:57:52] if you spell god backwards its a dog [01:57:54] alien [01:57:54] w00f [01:57:58] And there aren't multiverse ruled by heirarchies of alien gods [01:58:11] And we aren't reincarnated aliens who were thrown in a volcanoe [01:58:11] i before e except after c freight [01:58:18] LOL [01:58:30] If you spell "Ah, Satan" backwards, it spells out Natasha. Never date a chick name Natasha. [01:58:35] LoL [01:58:35] Natas [01:58:45] lol [01:58:45] ,seen alien [01:58:45] humanity: alien was last seen in #RBOSE 1 week, 5 days, 1 hour, 13 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: * Alien beams out. [01:58:48] Natas,ha [01:58:51] lol [01:59:11] Raise your hands if you believe in a god! [01:59:19] Damn IRC [01:59:29] Now put your hands down and type your response [01:59:39] i dont believe i even know he exists i chatted with him here in irc! [01:59:41] suprem being? [01:59:45] ;D [01:59:57] Did he do anything for ya? [02:00:06] pizza supreme [02:00:08] ... that came out wrong [02:00:12] throwin a timebomb in my pants [02:00:21] timebomb in your pants? [02:00:26] you can do that too in #test :| [02:00:26] Why you like the ticking? [02:00:39] i dont like that but ppl do that on me [02:01:00] This is e-lingo that I don't get [02:01:05] keg in aneirens back pocket [02:01:28] dns wants to tap that ass [02:01:38] Hey! Humanity! Post a link to that video I sent you earlier! [02:01:48] Tapping And Ticking = TNT [02:01:50] LoL [02:02:08] good one [02:02:23] and yes god did something to me [02:03:03] * BranManFloMore triple burps [02:03:04] Tri-Nitro-Toluine [02:03:12] What the heck [02:03:13] lol [02:03:16] That was weird [02:03:20] You should have heard it. [02:03:27] It was awesome. [02:03:35] i before e except after... whenever we feel like it [02:03:46] I didn't have any sound at all [02:03:57] :o [02:04:06] but you typed wrong trigger [02:04:22] no sound [02:04:23] you typed 'cutwire but it is `cutwire [02:04:37] what character IS that? [02:04:45] next to the del key [02:04:51] end? [02:04:54] n0 [02:05:00] are you usin laptop? [02:05:03] No [02:05:11] Standard keyboard [02:05:16] ` [02:05:19] that key? [02:05:21] then it should be left to the del key [02:05:23] i think [02:05:35] that is the slash/dagger key [02:05:39] yes [02:05:39] ` [02:05:42] exactly [02:05:44] that is the tilde key [02:05:51] far upper left [02:05:54] just below exit [02:05:57] esc [02:05:59] sorry [02:06:05] type: /join #test [02:06:06] :D [02:06:33] To make burps type: /me burps [02:06:47] I think. [02:06:56] * BranManFloMore thinks [02:06:59] Yeah. [02:07:30] WTF [02:07:37] * Aneiren burp [02:07:42] * Aneiren ponder [02:07:51] * Aneiren shit a brick [02:07:53] haha [02:07:56] * BranManFloMore is proud of everyone burping. [02:08:08] * Aneiren make Lewd gestures [02:08:14] fuck [02:08:25] * Aneiren makeS lewd gestures [02:08:30] Yay [02:08:33] I learned hw [02:08:34] how [02:08:38] now to learn how to spell [02:08:41] * BranManFloMore wants to express his burps in pasigraphy. [02:09:52] * Aneiren nods furiously [02:10:06] I've got an artist working on it as we speak [02:10:28] Although, additional financial motivation might get him moving faster. [02:10:47] I'm make sure to post a link when I finally have something to show for the effort [02:11:35] * Aneiren dances around madly, as though he were intoxicated... but sadly he isn't. [02:12:14] srsly, i'm thinking about closing my facebook account, never thought of it before but damn how dependet i am on it [02:12:35] lol [02:12:40] Be careful of Facebook Withdrawal [02:12:47] I hear its a bitch [02:12:48] good for staorage [02:13:06] storage [02:13:38] Aneiren: yeah since you effectivly get diconnected from a lot of random people you dont really know :P [02:13:46] you want to read what someone said about you project aneiren [02:14:00] What? where who? [02:14:11] Yeah, GhettoTux... don't abandon your friends like that [02:14:15] in box hold [02:14:16] i'm gonna sort out a couple of new mediums for communications first [02:14:17] Some people say they aren't friends [02:14:31] But in my mind they're like interactive imaginary friends [02:14:34] The attempt at organization is great. Alot of effort obviously. That said, it sounds alot like socialism disguised as an RBE. It seems to be concentrated alot on who is doing what "job". There didn't seem to be anything about children and providing relevant education, argueably the most important aspect of the RBE. [02:14:39] only they're real. [02:14:45] A few of the references seem to contradict the RBE social structure,..... the "obligations" in each section made me cringe. On one hand it gives the impression that leisure is okay and encouraged, yet "You have an obligation to find some occupation that benefits your community. [02:14:57] There is no room here for "emergence". Changing the environment to benefit society as it develops not "punishing" people to change them to benefit society. We already know that doesn't work. Saying penalties for "breaking the rules" are nicer doesn't change the value of seeing crime and punishment, thereby creating all over again the dicotomy of "good and evil" or "us vs them" or "mine and not yours" [02:15:07] The overlaying tone if such a system were adopted seems to be "you can do it your own way, if its done just how we say" [02:15:18] Rbe critic [02:15:30] Hey, the idiot is free to not have ANY rules. [02:15:32] But I have a gun [02:15:43] If there are no rules, why shouldn't I shoot his dumb ass? [02:15:52] do you know how to use it [02:15:58] Yes [02:16:04] or is it a weapon [02:16:09] Its a Social CONTRACT, not a Social Gift [02:16:34] Its a Voluntary Exchange between two consenting groups or individuals. [02:16:41] I've got a weapon too [02:16:44] and a sword [02:17:02] im not understanding what was said, elaborate on what this person is saying [02:17:14] Those who think they can take and take and never have to give anything in return are the worst sort. [02:17:23] Oh [02:17:32] They were spouting a bunch of catchwords [02:17:43] They main point was... NO ORGANIZTION [02:17:59] Letting people do things is great, if only you didn't require them to do things [02:18:25] they also read the brainstorm, well i gave then a link [02:18:30] Oh, and "People are only bad because you make them bad" [02:18:45] gimmie a link here [02:18:59] Or do I have to go get the link myself... [02:19:06] it in my inbox, [02:19:11] from TZM [02:19:20] im a double agent [02:19:24] for RBEF [02:19:36] umbrella [02:19:39] really [02:19:48] you want the persons name? [02:20:02] nick [02:20:18] ... [02:20:31] The fact that you're a double agent proves their touchy feely theories wrong [02:20:42] Was that the whole email? [02:20:46] yes [02:21:07] First, I contend that people WANT to be punished. [02:21:12] im not that good [02:21:15] Everyone gets punished at some point in time [02:21:26] They do it to test the limits of their environment. [02:21:40] we feed off pain [02:21:42] So while you want as much openness as is possible... [02:21:43] ? [02:21:54] Lets just put it this way... [02:21:57] strive [02:22:22] Almost everyone knows not to touch something hot, not because they were told (they were, they just ignored it) but because the DID touch it. [02:22:48] And then they gradually (as their brain sophisticates) no longer have to experience pain to accept rules [02:23:09] is that like looking at your mucus after you blow? [02:23:10] But would you want to drive down the interstate if there were NO rules of the road? [02:23:23] Looking at your mucus after you blow? [02:23:34] I dunno, I do that too but I don't know why... [02:23:36] Hmm.. [02:23:58] yes i would you want to drive down the interstate if there were NO rules of the road [02:24:03] Basically, some rules are good. Too many (or stupid) rules are terrible [02:24:13] Not in reality. [02:24:45] is there rules on the atoubong [02:24:52] The first time you saw someone (or experienced it yourself) run head long into someone else going 180mph in the "wrong" lane going the wrong way... [02:24:58] Yes [02:25:06] There are lots of rules on the Autobahn [02:25:13] just different rules, thats all [02:25:21] oh i was thinking high [02:25:34] autobong? [02:25:41] LOL [02:25:48] no you corrected me [02:25:49] Hi DNS [02:25:57] ,hammer DNS [02:25:57] * rBOTse slaps DNS with a big |-| /-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ of hard informations. (Only because humanity requested that.) [02:26:03] Hi BranManFloMore [02:26:07] ,smack dns [02:26:07] * rBOTse smacks dns with a indication [02:26:12] I'm done lecturing [02:26:15] y0 [02:26:42] so we need rules [02:26:58] or we need muscle [02:27:08] or we need bigger weapons [02:27:13] Well, if you have muscle, you're going to make rules [02:27:36] You know that rule about not putting a shotgun down by putting your finger in the barrel? [02:27:55] Yeah, its a rule, and actually... weapons inspire very rule-oriented societies [02:28:08] so if we didnt wear clothes we wouldnt rape [02:28:18] finger it [02:28:20] So BranManFloMore, its been pretty slow in the forum lately [02:28:28] ? [02:28:34] the gun [02:28:39] What? That rape thing is just nonsense [02:29:04] thats an arument in RBE [02:29:09] argument [02:29:12] Being Nude is not consenting to have sex, and people don't lust after others just because they're clothed [02:29:23] Aneiren: So BranManFloMore, its been pretty slow in the forum lately <--- You think? [02:29:28] They lust because they have sexual organs [02:29:57] Well, BranManFloMore, I haven't been there for long, so maybe I joined during a spike... [02:30:18] but yeah, the last three days have been slow (or I'm missing something) [02:30:30] humanity [02:30:43] yo [02:30:47] I really appreciate how all of your facebook comments are simply just agreeing [02:31:01] I can quote them all as elaborate ways of saying "Yup" [02:31:35] Wait, you gave the enemy a link to my Brainstorming? [02:31:38] NOOOO [02:32:18] you said for people to edit, although they will not [02:32:27] So Zietgeisters are looking at my RBEF ideas? [02:32:34] Most likely. [02:32:35] LoL [02:32:39] Those thieving bastards! [02:33:02] Thats supposed to be privately posted on the open web! [02:33:03] LOL [02:33:24] The irony. [02:33:26] LoL [02:34:20] Well, it won't do them any good anyways [02:35:05] Either they'll read it and decide to migrate to the loosely affiliated RBE projects (Umbrella, RBOSE, RBEF, that other one...) [02:35:17] Or they will read it and totally ignore it [02:35:52] http://brokenteapot.deviantart.com/art/The-Ninja-Who-Can-Cook-184937962?q=&qo= [02:35:53] URL Title: The Ninja Who Can Cook by *BrokenTeapot on deviantART (at brokenteapot.deviantart.com) [02:36:17] so whats wrong with manila's plan [02:36:29] any comments, or dont want to say [02:36:43] communism [02:36:49] socialism [02:36:56] capitalism [02:37:12] Manilla [02:37:59] Oh, well, for starters... the fact that he just "Discovered" Communism and that fellow by the name "Karl Marx" just recently... after having argued about communism and how much he knew about it. [02:38:01] yes [02:38:24] huh [02:38:36] just discovered [02:38:59] Nothing [02:39:24] so is there room for a merger [02:39:43] He is stuck in his mindset right now. If he keeps testing the boundaries of his ideas he will eventually discover their flaws. [02:40:18] And so nobody thinks I'M an arrogant prick... I'm here specifically to find the flaws in my ideas. [02:40:38] Because the sooner I find them, the sooner I can start figuring out how to fix them. [02:40:42] flaws in your own ideas, impossible [02:41:01] But he just reinvented Capitalism and called it Communism (which is just absurd) [02:41:35] elaborate please [02:41:43] I'm sure he is a clever fellow, but he doesn't take criticism well... and Mao, Stalin, and Hitler were all clever fellows too [02:41:45] lots of people say communes fail [02:42:03] lots of people say [02:42:04] Oh wow. explain that... How long you got? [02:42:22] thread in RBEF? [02:42:26] I'll sum it up quickly And then have to explain again [02:42:33] k [02:42:41] branman [02:42:47] The systems that fail had an incorrect theory of value. [02:42:52] ,smack BranManFloMore [02:42:52] * rBOTse smacks BranManFloMore with a reactance [02:42:54] BranManFloMore [02:42:57] Yes humanity? [02:43:01] Yes guys? [02:43:04] Wake up [02:43:05] no comments [02:43:08] Oh, okay. [02:43:16] * BranManFloMore rubs his eyes. [02:43:19] Yeah, you're apparently the other part of the "New Guard" [02:43:24] so says Prom [02:43:29] New guarD? [02:43:42] Yeah, PM Prom about it. [02:43:51] LOL [02:43:54] Not sure what you mean by that. [02:43:55] i cant find flaws they all sound the same [02:44:04] good [02:44:11] whats the problems? [02:44:17] automation [02:44:35] hobbies [02:44:44] im dreaming [02:45:00] family getting along [02:45:05] no hate [02:45:12] no religion [02:45:23] no problems [02:45:34] well we always have olutions [02:45:37] s [02:46:12] imagine [02:46:19] wow [02:46:20] sorry [02:46:23] You're talk fast [02:46:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRol4ByOh6g [02:46:40] You4Tube 2[Title] origin of love (with lyrics) 2[Category] Music 2[Duration] 0:05:34 2[Views] 77366 2[Rating] 4.93 2[Uploaded] 2008-03-22 2[Description] john cameron mitchele [02:46:58] Private Message (in RBEF) [02:47:00] What I am doing is creating my own scrip for Manila English. I'm changing it from a "business" and turning it into an "intentional community". [02:47:05] * BranManFloMore takes his nap and not sure why people woke him up. [02:47:16] this is why [02:47:20] umbrella [02:47:24] lol [02:47:40] Dammit man! Prom tells me you're one of the only real leaders around here [02:47:50] Rouse your damn bones and watch that video! [02:47:54] branman is [02:47:54] Real leaders? Leader? [02:47:56] LoL [02:48:10] ?? rbose [02:48:12] rbose[1]: Resource Based Open Source Environment is a totally free environment without leaders nor governments where you can collaborate with people on projects all around the world. [02:48:14] You can [02:48:14] rbose[2]: RBOSE is a communication platform of people interested in open sourced solutions based on resource management and implementing them in our daily lives. This group is dedicated to openness, fairness and transparency in development. We value diversity, creativity and sustainability. We don't recognize nations, religion nor politics. We believe in organic development, a development which speaks for it self. http://rbose.org/wiki [02:48:16] rbose[3]: You can search from IRC through our wiki by typing: !r [02:48:23] DNS, they are talking about RBEF. [02:48:27] Which makes it funnier. [02:48:27] You can't find flaws? [02:48:28] lol k [02:48:28] LoL [02:48:29] What? [02:48:37] * BranManFloMore wakes up laughing. [02:49:09] Yeah, DNS, we come to hang out with you cool anarchist, but we're really not anarchists (not all of us anyways) [02:49:36] !r dumbass [02:49:37] Wikimedia Error: Unable to parse for: dumbass @ http://rbose.org/wiki/Special:Search?useskin=monobook [02:49:41] LOL [02:49:43] Aneiren, are you talking about the Manila English Community? [02:49:49] No [02:49:51] What? [02:49:57] How did this get so confused? [02:49:58] am [02:50:02] What are you criticizing? [02:50:13] collaborating [02:50:18] http://www.theprojectumbrella.org/Community_Planning/The_Manila_English_Community [02:50:23] Criticizing about the Manila English Community? [02:50:27] * BranManFloMore checks out the link. [02:50:44] What? I'm just saying there are flaws [02:50:53] http://www.theprojectumbrella.org/Institutes_of_Scientific_Cooperation_network [02:51:00] did you read this? [02:51:06] aneiren [02:51:14] I'm looking [02:51:26] Well, what plan doesn't have flaws? Can you find any utopias? [02:51:52] Thats MY point! [02:51:52] ??RBOSE [02:52:00] http://www.theprojectumbrella.org/Talk:Community_Planning/The_Manila_English_Community <--- Whatever flaws you find, you can add them here and we can talk about it. [02:52:01] I'm not criticizing it yet! [02:52:10] I haven't fully read up on it Aneiren. [02:52:15] I haven't either [02:52:16] ?? vagina [02:52:18] vagina: thats where you comin from :) [02:52:23] thats why I'm not... [02:52:35] thanks for derailing my train of thought [02:52:36] And you're already catching flaws by not reading it fully? [02:52:45] Thats why I'm not criticizing it yet! [02:52:50] No! [02:52:50] Aneiren: thanks for derailing my train of thought <--- Well, you woke me up. [02:52:55] LoL [02:52:56] sigh [02:53:13] ** * [02:53:14] Found 38 matches. Sorted: !learn, ??, [host:], auroville, bible, cc, eggdrop, erp, foss, ggroup, gnu, google, gpl, hurd, irc, leafproject, linux, lmms, logs, mediawiki, mumble, mumble-dev, ose, p2p, pes, pms, rbe, rbose, register, reprap, teamspeak, test, utc, vagina, vhost, wiki, wikibot, wtfpl. (0.002s) [02:53:26] http://rbose.org/wiki/Open_source_projects#Hardware [02:53:27] URL Title: Open source projects - RBOSE (at rbose.org) [02:53:29] I'm not criticizing it, but if he hasn't changed his demerge currency (or whatever it was called) then there is a flaw there [02:53:44] Hmmm.... [02:53:47] ?? erp [02:53:48] erp: Experimental Robot Platform. "The goal of this robot is to give me a platform that is upgradeable and customizable so that I would not need to build a new robot chassis for each new idea I want to try out. This robot will never be 'finished', as I'm always modifying and improving it. I'll post here after each new major change I make." http://www.societyofrobots.com/robot_ERP.shtml [02:53:52] Demurrage currency [02:53:54] Bad [02:53:56] very bad [02:54:17] Also, the editing here is AWFUL! [02:54:24] I can barely read it [02:54:41] edit while you read [02:54:54] you have powers [02:55:09] ?? RBOSE [02:55:10] rbose[1]: Resource Based Open Source Environment is a totally free environment without leaders nor governments where you can collaborate with people on projects all around the world. [02:55:12] rbose[2]: RBOSE is a communication platform of people interested in open sourced solutions based on resource management and implementing them in our daily lives. This group is dedicated to openness, fairness and transparency in development. We value diversity, creativity and sustainability. We don't recognize nations, religion nor politics. We believe in organic development, a development which speaks for it self. http://rbose.org/wiki [02:55:14] rbose[3]: You can search from IRC through our wiki by typing: !r [02:55:15] easy [02:55:17] Aneiren: Also, the editing here is AWFUL! <--- Are you upset because he didn't indent? [02:55:30] not upset [02:55:41] english teacher [02:55:46] The exclamation mark tells me so. [02:55:50] wow, you're trying to make me out to be a bad guy because I disagree with someone? [02:56:10] No. [02:56:12] LoL [02:56:35] Oh yeah, and the caps gives it away too. [02:56:45] See, um [02:57:04] He has the beginnings of a soft-core dictatorship [02:57:38] be back [02:57:41] *** Quits: humanity (qwebirc@RBOSE-b3fb1dd7.flo.bellsouth.net) (Quit: Page closed) [02:57:43] http://www.theprojectumbrella.org/Community_Planning/The_Manila_English_Community#Overview <--- This? [02:58:56] Sigh [02:59:16] You realize the Reign of Terror supposedly followed similar principles? [02:59:30] I mean, they INVENTED the idea of human rights... WHILE murdering people. [02:59:44] Its like they say, the devil is in the details. [03:00:05] How would you re-write it? [03:00:08] He has a mechanism for different paygrades. I agree with the concept... but how is he going to impliment it? [03:00:29] Actually, I think I'm going to log and add to the discussion page. [03:00:32] Re-write? Not exactly rewrite [03:00:41] A lot of his ideas are goo [03:00:42] good [03:00:46] Well, it seems like you have a problem with the wording. [03:00:57] Not just the wording... [03:01:17] Its a sort of dismissal of beuracracy [03:01:40] Now, excessive bureaucracy is excessive [03:01:51] but you need SOME bureaucracy [03:02:00] Why is that? [03:02:19] some ppl need to fart in chairs [03:02:23] :x [03:02:25] no [03:02:33] Its because records must be kept. [03:02:38] They must be updated [03:02:51] can be done with bots [03:02:57] And useful information must be extracted from it [03:03:15] can be also done with bots but more complicated [03:03:19] Well, technically, the people who manage the bots would still be an Info-beuracrat [03:03:35] not really [03:03:41] besides, part of the elements is the fact that you need standards [03:03:51] and you need inspectors to ensure that those standards are observed [03:04:01] i think none developer feels like a beuracrat [03:04:02] DNS, Manila's community doesn't sound technological advanced when he states that he recognizes technological limitations. [03:04:14] * BranManFloMore tries to read this. [03:04:15] What do you think a beuracrat is? [03:04:51] depends in which relation [03:04:58] but i dont like this word [03:05:04] . [03:05:11] Because you were taught not to like it [03:05:17] n0pe [03:05:20] You're just parroting other people's biases [03:05:24] who taught me that? [03:05:24] "an official who works by fixed routine without exercising intelligent judgment." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bureaucrat [03:05:25] URL Title: Bureaucrat | Define Bureaucrat at Dictionary.com (at dictionary.reference.com) [03:05:26] lol [03:05:29] myself [03:05:30] keyword: without [03:05:32] LoL [03:05:33] What? [03:05:38] Thats a terrible definition [03:05:45] Fine [03:05:49] Office Worker [03:06:24] from wikipedia: A bureaucrat is a member of a bureaucracy and can comprise the administration of any organization of any size, though the term usually connotes someone within an institution of a government or corporation. Bureaucrat jobs were often "desk jobs" (the French for "desk" being bureau, though bureau can also be translated as "office"), though the modern bureaucrat may be found "in the field" as well as in an office. [03:06:48] gov or corp lol [03:06:53] basically, all the work we do today is bureaucratic [03:07:06] omg [03:07:26] In fact, we're being bureaucrats right now [03:07:33] Sounds like global moderators. [03:07:36] * DNS disagrees [03:07:38] * BranManFloMore fears global bans. [03:07:52] He is personally free and appointed to his position on the basis of conduct He exercises the authority delegated to him in accordance with impersonal rules, and his loyalty is enlisted on behalf of the faithful execution of his official duties His appointment and job placement are dependent upon his technical qualifications His administrative work is a full-time occupation His work is rewarded by a regular salary and prospects of advance [03:07:52] Well, I am at a desk. [03:08:23] * Aneiren slaps some sense into DNS [03:08:39] Wait, I forgot [03:08:46] DNS, you're one of the anarchists, right? [03:08:51] lol [03:08:56] not really [03:09:05] You don't believe in officials like firefighters or the bomb squad [03:09:16] Let the fire be FREE [03:09:17] http://www.theprojectumbrella.org/Community_Planning/The_Manila_English_Community#The_Community_Government <--- I see your concern Aneiren. [03:09:23] 0_o [03:09:51] What you're saying is that there should be a committee, right? But without seeing one here, you called it soft-core dictatorship? [03:10:01] I'm sorry, I'm just trying to follow your train of thought. [03:10:10] Hmm. [03:10:16] There needs to be some regulatory mechanism [03:10:32] Did you see any way for problems to be addressed? [03:10:45] I don't think he thinks there will be problems. [03:11:04] so when one pops up, he (as the "leader") will make something up on the spot [03:11:07] Community gatherings, I'm sure this would work similar to his community bidding idea with the riverhour idea he had or has. [03:11:23] And as that continues, then people are going to start disagreeing with him [03:11:47] and any single member who leaves will sue the organization for what they think their wages SHOULD have been worth [03:12:03] So he will have to find a way of preventing dissent because the community can't afford it [03:12:21] Thats only one possibility, and not at all certain [03:12:29] but there needs to be some mechanism to prevent it [03:12:37] Aneiren: I don't think he thinks there will be problems. <--- Actually, I am worried about the more people, the less hours thing he said. More people requires more resources and if he states in the overall that there will be technological limitations, I myself worry of that. [03:12:54] Well, he imagines that everyone will be able to share [03:13:06] More people, more hoarding I think. [03:13:07] But he isn't accounting for differences in preference [03:13:14] With limited resources that it. [03:13:38] Generally in a group without a formal distrubution strategy to keep things fair, all of the properties/decisions/rights accumulate in the hands of the few [03:13:42] i think also that everyone is able to share, but the question is where is the motivation coming from to do so [03:13:58] Good point [03:14:07] And don't forget, motivation isn't a singular thing [03:14:15] I have different motivations than you DNS [03:14:20] sure [03:14:21] and so on and so on [03:14:34] well, a simple model requires people to all fit a Mold [03:14:45] DNS: i think also that everyone is able to share, but the question is where is the motivation coming from to do so <--- When you share in the community, you don't have to worry about someone stealing from you. [03:14:56] yea [03:14:59] Not true [03:15:11] Opportunity Cost [03:15:12] When you do it publicly and often, no one will be bitter enough to do that I would think. [03:15:17] Has anyone ever shared a TV? [03:15:20] Aneiren: if its a REAL community then you dont have to worry [03:15:21] Well, the propensity would be reduced I would say. [03:15:36] nah, I'm not talking about taking other peoples stuff and not giving it back [03:15:50] but say you have a shared TV [03:15:57] it can only show one channel at a time [03:16:11] and even with Tivo, it can only show one programming at a time [03:16:32] Unless everyone likes the same programs, there is going to have to be a choice of what to watch [03:16:42] there will be more TV to watch than there is time to watch it [03:16:53] there are tvs which can split screen in 4 frames [03:16:59] and you can see 4 at once [03:17:01] So if one person "hogs" the TV all day, they've basically stolen from the rest [03:17:08] Well, you see my point [03:17:17] There are solutions to some of these things, but not all of them [03:17:21] The sound can't split. [03:17:27] You're not sharing if everyone has their own [03:17:34] it can BranManFloMore but its hard to understand [03:17:36] haha [03:17:50] And it extends to big things like Machinery or South-facing apartments [03:17:51] Oh okay. [03:17:52] LoL [03:17:55] If a community was to share a TV, I would create a entertainment center for people to watch TV at. People lifting up TVs back and forth to watch and share doesn't sound realistic. [03:18:19] Who said you would move the TV? [03:18:20] Same thing with a library, with their are limited computers, create a library for those computers for the community to share. [03:18:37] And there is another example. [03:18:42] Who gets the Good Seats? [03:18:48] Aneiren: Who said you would move the TV? <--- The person getting it back from the borrower. [03:18:59] No the TV stays put [03:19:11] moving it increases the risk of breaking it [03:19:14] Depends how big and heavy it is. [03:19:21] and then the whole community will hate the person who broke it [03:19:27] ... [03:19:28] Good point. [03:19:43] How many of you have ever shared a living space with more than thirty people? [03:20:00] If it's that big, then an entertainment building can be build for the community, like a mini theater. [03:20:03] 24/7 [03:20:17] Well yes, thats true, but you have to plan for that [03:20:18] But yeah, one TV, one channel that everyone would have to agree on. [03:20:25] Sure. [03:20:35] The seats you'd have to distribute fairly (somehow) [03:21:13] Communalism can work, but you need rules. You can live anarchy with three or four people, because there is enough room to avoid each other when you're upset [03:21:24] But when you live in a large communal setting, you're never really alone [03:21:46] Even in a transition, RBE would have rules I'm sure. [03:21:54] Based on common sense. [03:21:59] But as I want to stress again! I'm not opposed to his (or any other) plans [03:22:07] Just concerned about possible future problems. [03:22:23] `quote random [03:22:23] <|UFO|> DNS: Error: "quote" is not a valid command. [03:22:24] Cool, it's good to think about scenarios like these. [03:22:25] Common sense is the WORST set of rules ever [03:22:36] ,quote random [03:22:36] DNS: Quote #64: "Keep your face to the sunshine and you cannot see the shadow. ~ Helen Keller" (added by dns at 11:01 PM, August 04, 2010) [03:22:40] >:o [03:22:43] :D [03:22:44] * BranManFloMore burps [03:22:44] In fact, you want rules to AVOID common sense [03:23:16] No comments? [03:23:26] Come on, surely you have some response [03:23:40] Well, you have to explain that to me. [03:24:45] Do you know what Common Sense actually is? [03:24:57] Ettiquite. [03:24:59] No [03:25:13] Common Sense often includes bits of ettiqutte [03:25:35] Common Sense is all of the unexamined beliefs shared by a community of people [03:25:42] For instance, here in Dixie... [03:25:43] Well, I said based on common sense, not only on common sense. [03:25:54] For a long time it was Common Sense that Blacks were all Rapists [03:26:04] Its not true [03:26:14] But people made decisions as if it were [03:26:29] Today, its Common Sense that Money makes the world go around [03:26:35] I don't define common sense as racism. [03:26:48] You're missing the point [03:27:10] Common Sense is local to where you were raised [03:27:16] Its the good and the bad of your home. [03:27:39] Why is that a problem? Well, one... Science is about laws not superstition [03:27:39] And outside your home too. [03:27:53] Well, it depends on the degree of interaction honestly [03:28:06] I don't share much common sense with a native of BeiJing [03:28:11] Our lives are too different [03:28:14] Showing decency is superstitious? [03:28:23] Ah [03:28:26] Hold on [03:28:39] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnocentrism [03:28:40] URL Title: Ethnocentrism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) [03:29:06] To a person from a Polynesian tribe, women not wearing tops WAS decent [03:29:20] to a victorian, showing your ankle was INDECENT [03:29:47] The point is, if you don't make sure everyone is on the same page, you're going to fail [03:30:10] The difference between Laws and Common Sense is that a Law has been examined and common sense hasn't [03:30:30] Also, you're talking about common sense with connotation [03:30:40] Its common sense in america that common sense is good [03:31:03] But in the middle ages "common sense" was synonymous with stupidity. [03:31:18] Is this making any sense? [03:32:24] Courtesy, modesty, good manners, conformity to definite ethical standards are universal, but what constitutes courtesy, modesty, very good manners, and definite ethical standards is not universal. It is instructive to know that standards differ in the most unexpected ways. [03:32:53] Well, Manila's community will be based from the same culture, would you say? [03:33:36] I doubt he's going to start a community from all types of cultures (tourists). [03:34:28] BTW, some people grow up in multi-racial environments, so it's not all that narrow. [03:34:31] Especially now. [03:35:28] So common sense to a racist or someone slightly prejudice might think like that, but I don't. [03:36:01] I didn't say its common sense today [03:36:20] I was trying to provide a historical example that shows that even in a single place "Common Sense" changes [03:36:27] Well you made it seem that people still had the barbaric thinking. [03:36:37] Still. [03:36:49] Neonazis do, but even down here, its now the land of "White Man's Guilt" [03:37:00] Well, then I would refrain from the word "common sense". [03:37:07] ARGH [03:37:10] But I think you know what I mean. [03:37:15] My point that Common Sense isn't Common at all! [03:37:32] Community Sense? [03:37:34] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E938zzbYvfo [03:37:35] You4Tube 2[Title] Common Sense Take it EZ 2[Category] Music 2[Duration] 0:04:19 2[Views] 42454 2[Rating] 4.88 2[Uploaded] 2008-05-23 2[Description] Common Sense Take it EZ Music Video. Found at http://ursession.com/urCONTENT/view?id=9965 Discover more at http://www.wakeupshow.com [03:37:40] How about that? [03:37:51] Its just a way of separating the beliefs of your group from the beliefs of others... and by calling it common sense you make your group seem superior [03:38:17] hold on [03:38:19] watching [03:39:14] LoL [03:39:18] umm [03:39:24] I can't understand what he is saying [03:39:26] Nice song. [03:39:28] he is talking too fast [03:40:00] So, how about Community Sense? [03:40:11] Community Sense? [03:40:19] As an alternative to rules? [03:40:28] Don't you realize it would still be a rule? [03:40:53] Wasn't you complaining about anarchists? [03:40:59] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norm_(philosophy) [03:41:15] I'm in favor of rules. [03:41:24] Just the quality of rules matters a lot [03:41:42] I'm opposed to bad rules. If calling it Community Sense makes you feel better thats cool [03:41:54] Well, for an RBE, the goal in transition is to solve the problems that causes crimes, so there will be rules, but less. [03:42:06] Yeah [03:42:11] The bad rules would disappear. [03:42:12] I agree. [03:42:19] I'm a huge fan of getting rid of the shitty rules [03:42:42] Although you reailze that a Senate/Parlament is a rule-generating machine [03:43:12] and so, to justify their continued existence, all such organizations will eventually degenerate into just pumping out meaningless rules [03:43:17] Kinda like in the US. [03:43:20] ... [03:43:57] What's generated by them can be repealed too. [03:44:03] But I see your point. [03:44:24] And they do repeal it [03:44:31] cause thats the other thing they do [03:44:46] but when they repeal too many, they gotta make more before they put themselves out of work [03:45:11] My real point being... don't think I want MORE rules than there are in American Society [03:45:17] I want fewer, better rules [03:45:24] but I still want rules [03:45:45] If for no other reason... I wanna know which side of the road everyone is going to be driving on [03:46:15] Sure, their will be guidelines. [03:46:20] Probably a better word. [03:47:03] Well, have you ever heard of a pattern language? [03:47:26] Yeah, I think of when Jacque Fresco talks about when vehicles will automatically slow down in the cybernated world which will those type of "rules" disappear. But, I think we're pretty far from that. [03:47:31] What I'm about to propose will possibly sound offensive at first but give it a chance [03:48:02] Instead of giving people rules and guidlines... we give them decision making tools [03:48:34] Rules or decision making tools? [03:48:45] Decision Making Tools [03:48:57] Aneiren: but I still want rules <--- I'm confused. [03:49:03] I know I know [03:49:19] Okay, go on. [03:49:33] this is the out there brainstorming, k? [03:49:43] It is just not coagulating in my brain [03:49:49] now [03:49:52] just now [03:50:20] Trying to formulate a good example [03:50:47] Basically, I think that most people would make generally the same decisions to accomplish the same tasks when in the same circumstances [03:51:14] So if it were raining, most people are going to choose to cut through the inside of a building (to avoid the rain) [03:51:29] So they have a decision making method [03:51:39] If raining then go inside [03:51:47] If sunny walk outside [03:52:05] And for simple things, this is blindingly obvious [03:52:13] and you're thinking "Yeah, so? [03:52:38] Depends if you live in a drought. [03:52:43] it might be opposite. [03:52:44] LoL [03:52:47] Not so simple. [03:52:52] But the purpose of rules is to assist in the making of difficult decisions quickly [03:53:08] so, there is a rule that you don't put furniture in front of fire doors [03:53:28] You'd think "Who would ever be that stupid?" [03:53:31] .. [03:53:34] well sit [03:53:35] shit [03:53:40] Nevermind [03:53:44] LoL [03:53:45] I just destroyed that idea [03:53:46] Keep going. [03:53:54] no, I just proved myself wrong [03:54:07] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK4SJhKZhN4 [03:54:08] You4Tube 2[Title] Organized Konfusion - Maintain 2[Category] Music 2[Duration] 0:04:20 2[Views] 10225 2[Rating] 4.93 2[Uploaded] 2008-03-27 2[Description] Organized Konfusion - Maintain [Stress: The Extinction Agenda] [03:54:18] I was saying that people don't choose to make bad decisions. [03:54:21] But they do [03:54:21] If it's winter, I bet people would pull the furniture close to fireplace and probably roast some marshmellows too. [03:54:29] I see why you stopped. [03:54:31] LoL [03:54:44] Yeah, this is how I think [03:55:09] Some of my best flashes of insight have come while explaining something to someone else [03:55:13] Subtracting temperature in your example, I think I saw where you were going. [03:55:45] Oh well. [03:56:15] One of the BIG problems with a lot of rules today is systemic conflicts [03:56:47] Basically, each set of rules is considered separate from all other rules (at their inception anyways) [03:56:54] so they operate on a set of assumptions. [03:56:58] Well, responding to you shows that our decision making tools are emergent based on different scenario if those scenarios are taken in fully with all the variable, if not all, the obvious ones. [03:57:30] I was actually trying to develop an emergent decision making paradigm [03:57:49] I really agree that emergent systems are better [03:57:59] :) [03:58:26] I just dislike when people think that all it takes to MAKE a system emergent is to put, in a bulleted list of features, "Emergent" [03:59:12] I understand, that would could be used loosely, sure. [03:59:15] check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_language [03:59:16] URL Title: Pattern language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) [03:59:20] Okay. [03:59:43] This is the work that I think will serve as a good foundation for an emergent system of rules [04:00:04] so it is/isn't a set of rules, understand? [04:00:47] * BranManFloMore reads. [04:01:18] "1. Noticing and naming the common problems in a field of interest" [04:01:24] Common sense. [04:01:25] LoL [04:01:32] I'm messing with you. [04:01:38] * BranManFloMore continues to read. [04:13:53] hey anybody speak decent spanish here? [04:17:38] ,t en es hello Billll yes me speaks decent spanish [04:17:39] DNS: hola Billll sí me habla español decente [04:17:54] haha [04:18:24] porque [04:18:55] *** Quits: rBOTse (rBOTse@RBOSE.Python.Power) (Quit: Ctrl-C at console.) [04:18:59] hanahimasen [04:19:01] :O [04:19:13] I think I spelled it wrong. [04:19:14] LoL [04:19:15] lukas killed it [04:19:20] hanaShimasen [04:19:28] ... [04:19:48] *** Joins: rBOTse (rBOTse@localhost) [04:19:48] *** RBOSE sets mode: +h rBOTse [04:20:33] it's alive again :) [04:20:40] * BranManFloMore celebrates [04:20:45] \o/ [04:22:53] It? [04:23:38] ,poke Aneiren [04:23:39] * rBOTse pokes Aneiren with raises [04:23:47] thats it [04:23:52] I got a raise? [04:24:01] ,poke Aneiren [04:24:02] * rBOTse pokes Aneiren with noses [04:24:05] lol [04:24:13] ,hammer DNS [04:24:13] * rBOTse slaps DNS with a big |-| /-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ of hard informations. (Only because Aneiren requested that.) [04:24:27] !hammer all [04:24:29] ACTION slaps everbody in #RBOSE with a big |-| /-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ of hard informations. (Seems DNS wants to hurt you somehow.) [04:24:36] hammer time [04:24:38] or [04:24:42] !pillow all [04:24:43] ACTION starts a pillow fight in #RBOSE, and throws a pillow in everbodys face. [04:26:15] So this degenerated pretty far [04:26:28] BranManFloMore, did you read? [04:28:49] ,rub infobot [04:28:50] * rBOTse rubs infobot and waits to be smacked [04:29:44] I'm a terrible person [04:29:52] Aneiren: BranManFloMore, did you read? <--- Some of it, not sure what your point was. [04:30:11] I was just now disappointed to find out someone died, because that meant I couldn't rub their face in something [04:30:14] ... [04:30:38] Point? I was just trying to introduce you to the idea of pattern languages to see what you thought of them. [04:31:11] People have to use formulas to solve problems, what's new? [04:31:17] That's what I got out of it. [04:34:12] Yeah, I guess you could reduce it to that. You'd have to read the book I guess. [04:34:53] No, but I'm familiar with associative memory and reading this reminded me of that. [04:35:05] BAM to be exact. [04:35:31] I guess I should take that as a compliment though, especially from you. [04:35:33] LoL [04:35:38] I gotta go. [04:36:31] If I'm lucky, I could probably find these books in references in GOOGLE somewhere. [04:36:31] :) [04:38:26] *** Quits: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-5aa36246.biz.rr.com) (Quit: Leaving.) [04:52:03] *** Quits: Aneiren (qwebirc@RBOSE-41e1e313.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net) (Quit: Page closed) [05:06:48] wow it's absolutely astonishing how much money has gone from Germany to the United States as "holocaust reparations" [05:07:10] I'm looking at figures for this year alone and it's in the millions [05:07:58] it's going to a lot of different states but rough guess, I'd say about 30 million [05:08:23] that's insane [05:08:46] Germany supporting the US economy to the tune of thirty million a year [05:09:06] for "holocaust reparations" [05:09:56] are there so many "survivors" of this holocaust that happened sixty years ago that Germany has to pay just the ones in the US alone thirty million dollars a year? 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[14:41:02] DNS, they are talking about RBEF [14:41:16] Which makes it funnier. [14:42:06] <|UFO|> 08<14duxck@FREENODE08> Mornings humanity [14:42:41] aliens talking? [14:42:51] lol [14:43:01] <|UFO|> 08<14duxck@FREENODE08> Indeed, However, we do come in peace <3 [14:55:27] -|UFO|- fossrox has joined on FREENODE [14:55:28] -|UFO|- fossrox has quit FREENODE (Changing host) [14:55:29] -|UFO|- fossrox has joined on FREENODE [14:55:30] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v fossrox [14:55:43] white man told the Indians that [14:56:24] <|UFO|> 08<14duxck@FREENODE08> Well, white man schmite man [14:56:34] <|UFO|> 08<14duxck@FREENODE08> I'm more grayish [14:56:53] <|UFO|> 08<14duxck@FREENODE08> with a light yellow glow [14:58:48] sounds like the devil with blue eyes [15:11:17] lulz [15:13:11] *** Joins: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-c9131efe.supraktv.hu) [15:17:37] *** Parts: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-c9131efe.supraktv.hu) [15:20:22] *** Joins: Fee (Fee-ZM@RBOSE-a4dab240.static.arcor-ip.net) [15:29:13] http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5939580/The_Best_That_Money_Can_t_Buy__Beyond_Politics__Poverty__War [15:29:14] URL Title: The Best That Money Can't Buy: Beyond Politics, Poverty, War (download torrent) - TPB (at thepiratebay.org) [15:29:30] http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=3&id=299336 [15:29:33] URL Title: The Best That Money Can't Buy - The Zeitgeist Movement (at www.thezeitgeistmovement.com) [15:30:01] Me: After reading that post from Vixi, explaining why it is the only book still being sold by Jacque and Roxanne... Why would you go ahead and post a link to the free download in this thread? [15:30:12] franklee wrote [15:30:26] see must get paid by Fresco [15:30:39] or peterhead [15:35:11] *** Quits: Fee (Fee-ZM@RBOSE-a4dab240.static.arcor-ip.net) (Client closed the connection) [15:49:56] *** Quits: BranManFloMizzle (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [15:49:56] *** Quits: yourdaddy (Billll@RBOSE-5b82841e.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [15:50:24] *** Joins: Bit (qwebirc@RBOSE-8afc9550.bb.online.no) [15:50:46] *** Joins: yourdaddy (Billll@RBOSE-5b82841e.res.rr.com) [15:50:53] *** Joins: BranManFloMizzle (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) [15:51:41] -|UFO|- DNS777 has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [15:51:42] *** Quits: Billll (Billll@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [15:51:43] *** Quits: Kebap (kebap@rbose.org) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [15:51:52] *** Joins: Anonymous (Anonymous@RBOSE-1796940c.pool.digikabel.hu) [15:52:02] *** Joins: Kebap (kebap@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) [15:52:48] *** Joins: Billll (Billll@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) [15:55:45] *** Joins: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-5eee5520.res.rr.com) [15:56:20] branman no discussion in manila land [15:56:33] http://www.theprojectumbrella.org/Revenue_Generators [15:56:48] Sounds like Pitar land to me. [15:56:49] LoL [15:56:54] we need money to make transition happen [15:57:45] well its all of our land [15:58:03] who gave who the right to own it, if god made it for all of us [15:58:15] we the people here in USA [15:58:24] yet noone speaks up [15:58:40] well we cabnt change or do nothing they say [15:58:44] -|UFO|- DNS777 has joined on FREENODE [15:59:14] yes becuase if your silent you cant be heard [15:59:31] Hmmm... [16:00:43] so we let the gov officals make the call [16:01:02] because we cant make our own [16:01:12] besides they are right and we are wrong [16:01:23] they know whats best for us [16:02:04] *** Quits: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-5eee5520.res.rr.com) (Quit: Leaving.) [16:02:05] what nationality is BRanMan [16:04:44] http://conceivia.com/ [16:04:45] URL Title: Conceivia - Society of the future (at conceivia.com) [16:04:52] ,seen ant [16:04:52] humanity: I have not seen ant. [16:04:58] ,seen tony [16:04:58] humanity: I have not seen tony. [16:10:05] *** Joins: Kimsan (Kim@RBOSE-a335de8c.cust.tele2.se) [16:14:43] *** Joins: Diago (Diago@B38B54.890583.844AC6.52806D) [16:16:02] *** Joins: hakke (hakkes@RBOSE-b6dcb3fc.bredband.tre.se) [16:16:29] *** Quits: hakufus (hakkes@RBOSE-b6dcb3fc.bredband.tre.se) (Client closed the connection) [16:18:09] diago, is that a name of a horse [16:20:26] my name is Diego, change the e for a [16:22:13] *** Joins: Diago_ (Diago@B38B54.890583.7EACF6.5A1C87) [16:24:27] *** Quits: Diago (Diago@B38B54.890583.844AC6.52806D) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [16:24:32] ah [16:24:54] thats right, the paint [16:26:13] sorry [16:53:25] http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20101109/us_yblog_upshot/smugglers-stow-migrants-on-deserted-island [16:53:26] URL Title: Smugglers stow migrants on deserted island | The Upshot Yahoo! News (at news.yahoo.com) [16:53:36] can we act like adults and raise the borders? [16:53:43] sorry lower [16:53:54] lealize all drugs [16:54:16] even prescription drugs cant keep out the users hand [16:54:44] think more deaths happen with scripts than others [16:54:53] overdose [16:55:03] my humble opinion [17:03:27] "We put in a lot of calls to the Navy and Air Force tonight," the station's Marcella Lee said. "But so far, no one seems to know anything about this launch." [17:03:51] http://pms.rbose.org/projects/lci [17:03:52] URL Title: Chemical Industry - Overview - RBOSE PMS (at pms.rbose.org) [17:05:41] i forget how do you get money for your projects, your own pockets? [17:06:35] seems like if we had a school... [17:06:44] people pay to learn [17:08:38] gov pays people to learn [17:16:00] *** Quits: Absalom (Absalom@RBOSE-96a728da.lavasoft.com) (Quit: Leaving) [17:16:14] -|UFO|- Kebap23 has joined on FREENODE [17:16:15] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Kebap23 [17:17:13] !morning all [17:17:14] ACTION wishes everbody in #RBOSE a wonderful morning and a great start in the day! 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[17:51:52] sup guys :) [17:52:22] kebap dns hello [17:52:44] hi humanity [17:52:46] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK4SJhKZhN4 [17:52:47] You4Tube 2[Title] Organized Konfusion - Maintain 2[Category] Music 2[Duration] 0:04:20 2[Views] 10270 2[Rating] 4.93 2[Uploaded] 2008-03-27 2[Description] Organized Konfusion - Maintain [Stress: The Extinction Agenda] [17:54:31] and hi all :) [17:56:14] hola señor! <3 [17:57:30] everbody join #music 2 discuss abou musix and post your favorite music there [17:57:32] *** Quits: bg71 (qwebirc@RBOSE-a3b26d0c.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [17:57:34] :D [18:01:09] <|UFO|> 08<14duxck@FREENODE08> Oh DNS, You so random [18:05:09] wo0t [18:05:19] whos duxck [18:10:12] *** DNS is now known as rand0me [18:10:31] ,poke duxck [18:10:32] * rBOTse pokes duxck with a claim [18:13:38] *** Joins: hakke (hakkes@RBOSE-b6dcb3fc.bredband.tre.se) [18:14:47] #music [18:15:01] join #music [18:16:09] type: /join #music [18:16:16] *** Joins: Diago__ (Diago@B38B54.5998A2.E16E97.F40687) [18:16:23] *** Diago__ is now known as Diago [18:16:54] *** Quits: hakufus (hakkes@RBOSE-b6dcb3fc.bredband.tre.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [18:18:16] *** Quits: Diago_ (Diago@B38B54.890583.7EACF6.5A1C87) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [18:25:04] *** Quits: Kimsan (Kim@RBOSE-a335de8c.cust.tele2.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [18:25:59] *** Joins: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-f50b7638.mobileonline.telia.com) [18:38:41] thanks [18:42:01] *** Joins: Cyclo (Cyclo@C5AB1F.517811.C1AA74.06E43B) [18:46:14] *** Joins: hakufus (hakkes@RBOSE-b6dcb3fc.bredband.tre.se) [18:46:52] *** Joins: Kimsan (Kim@RBOSE-a335de8c.cust.tele2.se) [18:49:19] *** Quits: hakke (hakkes@RBOSE-b6dcb3fc.bredband.tre.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [18:49:29] *** Joins: h (qwebirc@RBOSE-9d3ddba1.pool.digikabel.hu) [18:49:51] *** Quits: h (qwebirc@RBOSE-9d3ddba1.pool.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [18:55:52] *** Quits: p1Mp (Pestilenc@RBOSE-2381b6af.cust.blixtvik.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [18:56:23] *** Quits: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-f50b7638.mobileonline.telia.com) (Connection closed) [18:58:45] *** Joins: hakke (hakkes@RBOSE-b6dcb3fc.bredband.tre.se) [18:59:35] *** Joins: kman (kman@RBOSE-5b61570f.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [19:01:52] *** Quits: hakufus (hakkes@RBOSE-b6dcb3fc.bredband.tre.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [19:02:38] *** Joins: foofighta (qwebirc@RBOSE-abc6626d.unitymediagroup.de) [19:02:52] *** Joins: ciacon (quassel@RBOSE-abc6626d.unitymediagroup.de) [19:03:03] *** Joins: halott (qwebirc@RBOSE-b6add62c.pool.t-online.hu) [19:03:34] hi folks [19:03:55] check this one out [19:03:57] http://www.vimeo.com/11753010 <<< Real-time UK General Election Tweets with node.js & websockets [19:03:59] URL Title: Real-time UK General Election Tweets with node.js & websockets on Vimeo (at www.vimeo.com) [19:06:02] *** Joins: hakufus (hakkes@RBOSE-b6dcb3fc.bredband.tre.se) [19:09:16] *** Joins: Absalom (xxx@RBOSE-1037a0dd.bredband.comhem.se) [19:09:22] *** Quits: hakke (hakkes@RBOSE-b6dcb3fc.bredband.tre.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [19:11:31] *** Quits: foofighta (qwebirc@RBOSE-abc6626d.unitymediagroup.de) (Quit: Page closed) [19:16:05] *** Joins: p1Mp (Pestilenc@RBOSE-e3bd96cf.cust.blixtvik.se) [19:18:26] *** Quits: Kimsan (Kim@RBOSE-a335de8c.cust.tele2.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [19:56:37] *** rand0me is now known as DNS [20:07:52] *** Joins: buhu (qwebirc@RBOSE-39d89702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [20:08:15] *** Quits: buhu (qwebirc@RBOSE-39d89702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Quit: Page closed) [20:28:33] *** Joins: Anonymous (Anonymous@RBOSE-1796940c.pool.digikabel.hu) [20:28:48] *** Quits: Anonymous (Anonymous@RBOSE-1796940c.pool.digikabel.hu) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [20:37:13] *** Joins: Kimsan (Kim@RBOSE-a335de8c.cust.tele2.se) [20:38:47] *** Quits: halott (qwebirc@RBOSE-b6add62c.pool.t-online.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [20:40:01] *** Joins: Erik (erik@RBOSE-2ca185af.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [20:43:08] *** Joins: hakke (hakkes@RBOSE-b6dcb3fc.bredband.tre.se) [20:46:24] *** Quits: hakufus (hakkes@RBOSE-b6dcb3fc.bredband.tre.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [20:46:54] *** Quits: Kimsan (Kim@RBOSE-a335de8c.cust.tele2.se) (Client closed the connection) [20:52:13] *** Joins: manilaenglish (qwebirc@65CD78.254CAF.C90EAD.D7CDB8) [20:52:53] whats up [20:53:01] hello humanity. [20:53:20] Just finished watching a video. Came online to see what you guys were working on. [20:55:05] nutn [20:55:25] i wish i was mentored by you [20:56:25] Aneiren, prob be on here in about 4-5 hours from now [20:56:48] I'll be asleep [20:56:55] It's 4:56am here now [20:57:09] seems like i get up at that time [20:57:13] so what's on your mind? what do you want to know? [20:57:57] ,eightball is an RBE possible [20:57:57] humanity: The answer is certainly yes. [20:57:59] *** Joins: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-a096ca23.cust.telenor.se) [20:58:07] From time to time I go a few days without sleep or on little sleep. Then I crash for a full day. I seem to be back on one of those cycles. [20:59:31] yes. of course it is. it is only in the last 100 years we have been living unsustainabley [20:59:43] who is eightball? [21:00:46] magic [21:00:55] \fortune [21:00:57] *** Quits: kman (kman@RBOSE-5b61570f.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [21:02:04] I think when you ask if an RBE society is possible, I think you mean a technologically advance society where robots do all the work and everything is given away for free. Is that right? [21:02:49] *** Joins: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@146AF2.2BD0F3.A8DC5C.5BF77F) [21:03:16] whats not automated already, is because the gov pays to hire people [21:03:34] but yes stalin knew automation was power [21:03:36] In that future that might be possible. One of the problems is sustainability. Even if we have the robots to do the work, can we operate them without destroying the planet creating enough energy to keep them going? [21:04:23] have you ever read newspapers from 1800 talking about power shortage [21:04:29] But even with that problem solved, we're still left with the reality that robots are still not capable of even folding folding clothes quickly enough yet. [21:05:04] http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DW0Z8TR4ToNs&h=94a74 [21:05:16] No I haven't. But how do you think that power is generated? [21:05:18] its because most of us are doing stupid jobs [21:05:33] Also, why do you bring up Stalin? [21:05:46] hold on ill get it [21:06:45] If robots did those stupid jobs today then you wouldn't have any food to eat or a home to live in. That is the biggest problem that we will face in the next 20 years. [21:06:48] *** Quits: Erik (erik@RBOSE-2ca185af.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Connection closed) [21:07:16] *** Joins: erik (erik@RBOSE-2ca185af.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [21:07:23] That's why the first problem that must be solved is to create a system which feeds and houses everyone regardless of employment. A safety net needs to be established. [21:08:06] http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DyxKk9HM2bn8%26p%3DF9F2509F03D1B49A%26index%3D2%26playnext%3D1&h=94a74 [21:08:07] humanity's URL: http://xrl.us/bh7hpw [21:08:16] ‎2:30 sec mark listen,Stalin figured out that with technology came power [21:09:11] Free education is just as important as food a shelter. So that must be given away as well. The problem is, today's system depends on all the workers to keep the system running. If housing and food and education were free then the system would collapse because people would quit their jobs. [21:09:46] I don't see how that is relevant. [21:10:08] Didn't Alexander the Great realize that technology brings power as well? [21:10:46] all the elite have, thats why it will always be this way [21:11:01] bible fearing fools [21:11:16] maybe we all could be wrong [21:11:53] looks like an interesting documentary. I'll add it to my to watch list. [21:12:34] *** Joins: Feri81 (mobil_77@RBOSE-11955b03.threembb.co.uk) [21:12:41] someone linked it from here, i thought it was also [21:12:43] the only thing that is certain is change. [21:12:56] lol, so ive heard [21:13:07] *** erik is now known as Kman [21:13:49] thats why fads come and go, shit that was popular when i was in school have came back [21:14:01] hi [21:14:03] there have always been class struggles. Sometimes we lose and sometimes we win. When we win, we progress forward. There was a time when schools weren't free and the oligarchs of the time debated that education would be wasted on the mass population. There was a time when women weren't allowed to vote. [21:14:10] the more they cahnge the more they stay the same [21:14:47] most say ithey would have kept thier bras on [21:14:55] Often times there is a disconnect between the rulers and the people. A famous queen once said "Let them eat cake." She was out of touch with the reality of the people and lost her head. [21:15:11] lol france is cool [21:15:26] cold [21:16:11] We are beginning the next struggle. I am to do my part to win. If we win we progress and give more freedom and prosperity to everyone. If we lose, well... I hate to think about it. [21:16:21] high feri81 [21:16:33] yup [21:17:22] So the expression the more things change the more they stay the same really isn't true on every level. [21:18:01] It all is based on perspective. [21:18:20] riding down the dirt road, perspective, hold that that [21:19:36] You could say, we have free education (13 years) for the masses now but people are still greedy as an argument that things are still the same. But that is ignoring the great prosperity and ingenuity we've enjoyed because of free education. So that cliche isn't actually true. Free education was disruptive. It changed history. [21:22:10] Right now we face a global crises. The crises is a blessing because it is opportunity knocking. We have the chance to alter the course of history. Because the monetary system is failing so many people, it is easier to change the system by establishing another system. So long as it gets built. [21:24:05] http://www.relishinglife.com/21/your-success-depends-on-how-you-perceive-yourself/ [21:24:07] URL Title: Your Success Depends on How You Perceive Yourself (at www.relishinglife.com) [21:24:11] That's why I see opportunity in my system. People would be more willing to adopt it than they would be if they were employed and earning money. But when they're desperate and hungry, that is the time to introduce a plan that will turn things around. And then we rewrite the rules because it is our system that is being used. [21:27:42] Once the plan is finished being laid out and the system is built, then all we have to do is to get people who are looking for another way to use it. We can get them to use it by setting up valuable services that won't cost them anything than their own time to use. But to get them to try it the first time and the second time, we give them the currency for free. [21:28:55] Give them a taste of something better and they'll see it in action. It'll spread. And the new system takes over from the bottom up, pulling the rug out from under the capitalist system. [21:30:50] yes, but i keep thinking of that stupidity documentary , sigh i just want... perhaps i need to rethink what i want [21:31:01] At first nobody will notice. It'll be the "undesirables" removing themselves from the system. But here's the thing, it's just 1 level up from homeless and hungry to working retail and fast food paycheck to paycheck. They will join the system next once the support network has been put in place. That support network being food and housing. [21:32:16] i can see it on one hand, then its just a dream on the other [21:32:23] when im high i can see it clear [21:32:47] Without a working class to support the current system, the whole system collapses. That working class has moved over to the new system where food and housing and education are free. [21:33:33] food is the number one automated product off the assembly line [21:33:43] You can't lose sight of reality. This is all a dream. It starts with a vision. Then you have to make a plan on how to get there. Like a business plan. Step by step. [21:33:45] houses built in a week [21:33:49] Follow it like a manila [21:33:55] huh? [21:33:56] strange [21:34:00] follow it like a manual [21:34:13] follow manila,lol [21:34:26] You see. That's looking too far ahead. We don't start by building houses nor buying land. [21:34:46] There are lots of houses already. We don't need any more right now. [21:34:53] We use the houses that already exist. [21:34:59] computors run energy [21:35:03] oh yes i know [21:35:22] So if you understand my plan outline then you understand the goal. [21:35:27] i cant get over the money motivation [21:35:34] yes [21:35:46] you understand that we must start buy creating the support network. [21:36:02] Money is a motivation because it represents resources. [21:36:17] Money is only a tool. It is how resources are distributed. That is all. [21:36:30] i see that way, then yes tool [21:36:41] The problem with today's money is that even basic resources aren't given unless you have money and that money is not easy to get. [21:37:00] So we make the resources that are easy to make, easy to get. [21:37:05] even though people know its not backed by nothing [21:37:15] The less abundant resources are distributed using currency. [21:37:24] they know they are just printing it like no tomorrow [21:37:24] it's backed by the support network. [21:37:40] It's backed by the resources [21:38:08] You see, money is only a tool for distributing those resources. Therefore it is backed by those resources [21:38:12] economics and what the fed does, makes no sense [21:38:42] so eveything could be worth a dollar [21:38:51] could be [21:39:24] someone wanted to send child to harvard and up the price on their services [21:39:32] maybe a doctor and trickled from there [21:39:34] Let's say, I bring in 10 computers into the community. We decide the community already has enough shared computers so we're going to give this away to 10 people. The easiest way to do that is to allow people to use their currency to purchase them. Then everyone gets what they want within the limits of the resources. And everyone has an opportunity to earn currency. And if they don't have the opportunity, they have free food, housing and ed [21:40:28] So you see how currency actually is resource based. [21:40:46] yes [21:41:24] *** Quits: Feri81 (mobil_77@RBOSE-11955b03.threembb.co.uk) (Quit: ) [21:41:29] *** Joins: Feri81 (mobil_77@RBOSE-11955b03.threembb.co.uk) [21:41:33] high [21:42:06] so manil is where you will start [21:42:51] what country was it [21:43:46] When I said everyone has equal opportunity for employment, that if there are more people than there are jobs, that the number of jobs get distributed to everyone who wants one anyway and lower everyone's working hours, i did not say that it lowers pay. [21:43:56] Philippines [21:44:59] do the people here know your accomplishments, i wonder [21:45:24] i had no clue, you are so successful [21:45:26] Everyone receives the same pay. Not less not more. (per level / pay grade). having more people with money means less resources per individual but that is only because more people have access to resources. [21:45:48] anyone, anyone [21:45:49] Yes. I posted it on the forum when I first joined. [21:45:56] shit! [21:46:09] its in you resume [21:46:13] I earn $50 an hour [21:46:21] *** Joins: Feri81_ (mobil_77@RBOSE-11955b03.threembb.co.uk) [21:46:27] teaching English. That's an accomplishment. [21:46:28] *** Parts: Feri81_ (mobil_77@RBOSE-11955b03.threembb.co.uk) [21:47:52] oops. I mean more people have access to resources [21:48:32] When the number of working hours are lowered to make room to share employment, then naturally that means more people have access to resources. That is what I was trying to say. [21:49:10] It's much more fair than excluding people from employment just so that some people will have more resources because that means other people will have less. [21:49:48] So that is why I have made the equal employment opportunity policy [21:50:38] *** Quits: Feri81 (mobil_77@RBOSE-11955b03.threembb.co.uk) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [21:50:46] I also founded Atheists of Denver and Atheists of Virginia [21:51:30] *** Quits: idk (idk@RBOSE-e55ba99c.bb.online.no) (Quit: Lost terminal) [21:51:45] from over seas? [21:52:01] Are you quoting me? [21:52:02] *** Joins: Naeron_1984 (Naeron_1984@RBOSE-2e86728d.pool.telekom.hu) [21:52:11] No. I lived there. [21:52:14] I'm an American. [21:52:25] I came to Asia over 5 years ago. [21:52:32] ah [21:52:41] Now I'm afraid to go back. I am "on the list". [21:52:43] SSSS [21:52:52] Have been since I started FreethoughtRadio.com [21:53:12] thats the one! [21:53:23] get the front door outa here [21:53:40] anyone here new that [21:53:41] ? [21:53:49] anyone anyone [21:53:53] My tickets always had SSSS ever since 911. I was told they were random but that was impossible because I flew all the time back then and I always got randomly selected. Now how could I always be chosen randomly? [21:53:54] ferris buhler [21:54:40] ah. [21:54:43] branman you knew this [21:54:44] good movie. [21:55:21] how do you sell a free site? [21:55:33] damn you da man [21:55:49] FreethoughtRadio used to earn money through subscription fees to the archives. [21:56:12] Now it is entirely funded by donations. [21:56:24] no wonder im poor [21:56:26] Donald Souza is the new owner but he lives in Brazil now. [21:56:59] So he's running it from Brazil but it's mostly being run by volunteers these days I think. [21:57:03] thats why they say ignorance is bliss [21:57:13] volunteers,lol [21:57:21] I haven't talked to Don in 5 or 6 years. We had a falling out. [21:57:21] see [21:57:30] He took the site conservative and I'm a liberal. lol. [21:58:02] they are dedicated people. Fighting for the cause. Being a support network for new atheists and closet atheists. [21:58:13] Why do you think you're poor? [21:59:20] manilaenglish, your attitude that "everything is given away for free" only has meaning in the context of our economy today, in a resource based economy the term "free" would mean something else [21:59:39] actually it would be meaningless, since it wouldn't apply to anything real like the exchange of worthless money for resources [21:59:41] please explain it to me Grits [21:59:57] Are you familiar with my system? [22:00:49] also, as for robots folding laundry, if it's true they're not up the task yet, that's because they haven't been designed yet, not that automation is somehow implausible or difficult [22:01:18] The sustainability angle is worth investigating, since most of the practices we engage in aren't made with sustainable technology. [22:01:43] That could be changed, as well as abundant clean energy. [22:01:46] humanity: branman you knew this <--- Knew what? [22:01:51] I wasn't paying attention. [22:01:58] so are you saying that food isn't real and that we should wait until robots can fold laundry faster before trying to create a new society that is sustainable within our resources? [22:02:35] As for everybody starving if we engage in full automation, that's idiotic, it presumes the exchange of money for resources is the only possible paradigm. [22:03:03] if you say so, Grits [22:03:45] You also identify food and shelter for all is the first problem that must be solved, which displays a linear kind of thinking that doesn't really apply to reality. We can solve many problems at once just by abandoning the monetary system. [22:03:53] In the current system, Grits, people have to 'earn' money to 'buy' food. If everything were fully automated within our current system then unless we owned the fields we would starve. [22:04:18] Okay, Grits. Go abandon the money system then. [22:04:24] Let me know how that worked for you. [22:04:41] We only have a mere suggestion of "safety net" now, so proceeding without such a "net" in place would be no more hazardous than remaining in this quagmire without one. [22:05:08] When you go into work tomorrow tell them not to pay you. You're abandoning the money system. I don't know where you're going to get your food from. [22:05:11] You also say the "system would collapse because people would quit their jobs" if they didn't need money to buy food and shelter. [22:05:35] That's the whole point, the collapse of this inane system that sets people against each other and actually impedes scientific progress and cooperation. [22:05:39] The system of banking [22:05:48] The health care system [22:05:59] Everything on the middle level up would collapse [22:06:18] and "free education" isn't all it's cracked up to be, if your slave masters are the ones "educating" you [22:06:25] the world is full of free education [22:06:47] then don't participate [22:06:52] learn the scientific method and you can learn everything else without going to any "school" [22:07:03] The "education systems" we have access to today are pitiful. [22:07:16] They amount to nothing more than conditioning and indoctrination. [22:07:31] They're a years long test to see how much banal and superfluous bullshit you'll tolerate being made to do. [22:07:34] go get your free education and steal your vegetables and crash at construction sites. Let's see how many people agree to do that with you. [22:07:48] If you "pass", you get to be a slave in the market to compete to buy better toys. [22:07:48] Or let's see how many people actually want a realistic approach. [22:08:18] Do you have a plan, Grits? Do you have something tangible to bring to the table? I'd like to hear it. [22:08:42] We certainly don't owe the advanced state of our technology to "public education", which is nothing more than a glorified daycare system so mothers could get out of the house and be a wage slave. [22:08:56] What do we do, Grits? [22:09:01] Step 1. What is it? [22:09:05] food [22:09:11] Where are you going to get it? [22:09:14] and again and again I see people saying we need some sort of "system" to replace the monetary system [22:09:15] we don't [22:09:23] good luck with that [22:09:29] we can take the systems we have now, start ignoring money and its trappings, and proceed from there [22:09:34] I'm rooting for you. [22:09:37] we'll see immediate benefits [22:09:39] that will only increase with time [22:09:40] How are you going to eat? [22:09:47] With what land are you going to get your food from? [22:09:50] Do you own land? [22:09:59] Do you have an army to protect your land? [22:10:17] How are you going to eat [22:10:24] Using "your system" to perpetuate this system of competitive trade for profit is not going to be fruitful, it's just rearranging deck chairs on a sinking ship. [22:10:26] volunteers [22:10:43] you have your opinions and I have mine [22:10:49] You are welcome to your opinions [22:11:10] Charging people "time" instead of "money" is the same thing, as long as we have this system of "businesses" and "profits", the monetary system. We can't "fix" this system, any more than we could "fix" the system of overt slavery. [22:11:18] It needs to be abandoned and replaced with nothing. [22:11:23] I say "my system" is a lot more different than rearrange deck chairs. It is replacing the whole ship. [22:11:32] good luck with that, like I said. [22:11:37] I hope it works. [22:11:45] I'll join you. [22:11:50] guh [22:11:59] and then you say the "working class" supports the current system [22:11:59] Until then, I have the real solution. Step by step by step. [22:12:01] that's rubbish [22:12:05] *** Joins: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-c9131efe.supraktv.hu) [22:12:07] machines support all human systems today [22:12:09] if you say so [22:12:12] already machines do over 99% of the work [22:12:21] human labor input is trivial and basically meaningless [22:12:36] computers do all the calculation and machines do all the actual work [22:12:42] someday when you get around to studying statistics, make a mental note to look up the term meaningless number. [22:12:52] a typical lawn mower had about ten times the capacity to do work that a human being does [22:12:58] And also keep in mind who the people are who run the machines. [22:13:02] *** Joins: idk (idk@RBOSE-e55ba99c.bb.online.no) [22:13:10] The forklifts don't drive themselves. [22:13:18] and nothing is free, everything has a resource and energy cost [22:13:18] *** Quits: Kman (erik@RBOSE-2ca185af.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [22:13:28] you keep saying "get everything for free" [22:13:31] that's not the case [22:13:34] everything has a cost [22:13:39] a resource and energy cost [22:13:46] *** Parts: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-c9131efe.supraktv.hu) [22:13:58] those are real costs, not the imaginary game of the monetary system laid over the top of everything [22:14:16] Everything that can be free is free. [22:14:20] guh [22:14:21] That is what I am saying. [22:14:24] and money does NOT represent resources [22:14:27] it represents debt [22:14:34] no it doesn't [22:14:42] Only TODAY'S money represents debt [22:15:01] your money is what your talking about [22:15:05] oh [22:15:05] guh let me catch up now [22:15:13] I'm skipping a bunch of other shit you said that I don't agree with [22:15:14] *** Quits: hakke (hakkes@RBOSE-b6dcb3fc.bredband.tre.se) (Quit: Lämnar) [22:15:35] Honestly, I don't think you have the education to disagree with me. Sorry. [22:15:51] I am not going to argue with you beyond what I've already argued with you about. [22:15:56] so you are speaking of your money, monetary money? [22:16:00] in a "resource based economy" people won't have to toil to get resources they need to live, in that sense "everything is free" [22:16:11] free of monetary cost [22:16:13] You have your opinions and I have mine. Lead, follow or get out of the way. [22:16:15] but since the monetary system will be gone [22:16:22] again, you have no context, you have no meaning [22:16:32] the term "free" in a resource based economy would be meaningless [22:16:34] Don't want to follow then get out of the way. [22:16:41] everything real has some sort of real "cost" in terms of resources and energy [22:16:54] *** Quits: manilaenglish (qwebirc@65CD78.254CAF.C90EAD.D7CDB8) (Quit: Page closed) [22:16:57] I never said that food isn't real and I have no idea where you got that notion [22:17:18] and I'm not saying we should wait until robots can fold laundry to abandon the monetary system [22:17:23] I'm saying the exact opposite [22:17:47] our world minus adherence to the monetary system would show immediate benefits in terms of saved resources and energy that are now devoted ONLY to maintenance of the monetary system [22:18:11] *** Quits: idk (idk@RBOSE-e55ba99c.bb.online.no) (Quit: Lost terminal) [22:18:44] I'm not talking about implementing a resources based economy by simply abandoning the system myself. [22:19:07] It must be everyone, or at least a large enough percentage that the dissenters find few around them to perpetuate their insanity. [22:19:20] although that's pretty much what I have done [22:19:26] I live outside the monetary system as much as I can [22:19:31] I have all solar electricity [22:19:36] I drink and cook and clean with rainwater [22:19:42] I grow as much of my own food as I can [22:19:52] my only real "bill" is my tax bill, that I pay once a year [22:19:59] so really your suggestion is a little late [22:20:08] since I've already done that [22:20:11] your turn [22:20:15] and the turn of everyone you know [22:20:18] everyone in this IRC channel [22:20:25] try and catch up with me [22:20:42] wife or children? [22:21:05] Of all these systems, health care, banking, the food industry, construction, all these "industries" that only exist because of the monetary system will wither and die. [22:21:19] All that will do is free up resources from people who aren't fixated on collecting money. [22:21:24] people who pay attention to reality [22:21:36] not an imaginary scorekeeping system superimposed on reality [22:21:55] as for my "free education", I educate myself routinely [22:21:58] I always have done so [22:22:02] since I was very young [22:22:17] I didn't learn a single thing of worth in public schools that I hadn't already taught myself [22:22:29] you asked what "step 1" is [22:22:33] step 1 is abandon the monetary system [22:22:42] we'll see immediate benefits that will only increase with time [22:23:50] haha forklifts don't drive themselves, huh? [22:23:55] I think you're a little behind the times [22:24:05] lol [22:24:07] there are in fact automated forklift systems that operate entirely without human intervention [22:24:09] and guess what [22:24:18] they use less resources than it takes to sustain a human life [22:24:21] they're more productive [22:24:24] they never require breaks [22:24:25] Grits: there are in fact automated forklift systems that operate entirely without human intervention <--- Now? [22:24:27] no breaks [22:24:34] they never get tired or bored [22:24:35] yup [22:24:41] and WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY THEM SHIT [22:25:02] BranManFloMore yes now [22:25:07] you're wrong if you think I don't have "the education to disagree" with you [22:25:12] they follow lines [22:25:13] anyone educated would disagree with ignorance [22:25:21] all your "honesty" aside [22:25:26] but as for arguing with you [22:25:29] I won't argue [22:25:31] I'm not arguing [22:25:36] I'm just correcting errors where I see them [22:26:05] humanity: BranManFloMore yes now <--- Hmmm... [22:26:20] That's not what I hear in Baltimore. [22:26:46] http://singularityhub.com/2009/05/14/the-autonomous-forklift/ [22:26:47] URL Title: The Autonomous Forklift | Singularity Hub (at singularityhub.com) [22:27:07] * BranManFloMore checks out the link. [22:27:55] i was thinking of these [22:27:58] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7IlKxZe6Mk [22:27:59] You4Tube 2[Title] Fork Lift AGV - Automated Guided Vehicle 2[Category] Howto 2[Duration] 0:00:57 2[Views] 12961 2[Rating] 4.33 2[Uploaded] 2007-05-22 2[Description] Fork Lift AGV by Egemin Automation. This automatic guided robotic vehicle uses forks to transport palletized loads in manufacturing and distribution environments. The fork lift AGV can pick and place loads at most any elevation. Egemin AGVs use laser and inertia [22:28:55] http://www.csail.mit.edu/csailspotlights/feature3 [22:28:56] URL Title: Agile Robotics: Autonomous Forklift | CSAIL (at www.csail.mit.edu) [22:29:35] most people are really only dimly aware of the present state of technology [22:29:43] and only then as images from science fiction movies [22:30:13] images designed primarily to cripple people's minds, to reinforce common mythology and prevent the masses from really understanding what's going on [22:30:56] thats why i cant understand [22:31:08] what other people are thinking [22:31:15] cant they see [22:31:27] nope school has blinded them [22:31:48] http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:utmXy1RbqlAJ:rationale.csail.mit.edu/publications/Correa2010Multimodal.pdf+autonomous+forklift&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjLleQVEcSJx3jff7xPiurwGwI9m2fd5Upwxm4kIWp-TYkUI9gMp6VD-vieJiiFmXrfa-UtuP-yjtI-ZArn3ebCHddGz_L0x0Xb1G0fU5QsJB9_ycDw1Pu_oj-y0b1hOPoHHXDP&sig=AHIEtbQGULwAknQSmueJDUZpk8uQ7orUjQ [22:31:48] Grits' URL: http://tinyurl.com/2wfs3uv [22:31:56] some, then mom & dad reinforcing them by you need to get a job [22:31:57] URL Title: Powered by Google Docs (at docs.google.com) [22:32:14] buy a car,house,get married [22:32:26] becuase thier parents did it, and so on [22:33:24] http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/01/retailrobots/ [22:33:30] URL Title: Autonomous Robots Invade Retail Warehouses | Wired Science | Wired.com (at www.wired.com) [22:33:38] "Warehouses run by Gap, as well as Zappos and Staples now use autonomous robots to pluck products from their shelves and send them to you. " [22:35:29] "A recent report by the International Federation of Robotics found that 6.5 million robots serve humanity around the world. Still, most of them are standalone or primarily operated by human beings. Kiva robots are different: They’re both autonomous and networked." [22:35:37] thats why i cant understand why we cant come together and take over this shit [22:37:18] http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/german-people-in-unprecedented-rebellion-against-government/ [22:37:20] URL Title: German people in unprecedented rebellion against government « Aletho News (at alethonews.wordpress.com) [22:37:20] *** Joins: Kimsan (Kim@RBOSE-a335de8c.cust.tele2.se) [22:37:28] what! [22:39:48] "But by Sunday night, those same police officers were begging the protestors for a respite." [22:39:49] hahaha [22:41:33] [22:24] Grits: there are in fact automated forklift systems that operate entirely without human intervention <--- Now? [22:42:05] They go exist i see them in real life hehe [22:42:13] *go = do [22:42:51] Yesterday someone told me that they were still hiring forklift drivers. [22:42:56] That's why I questioned it. [22:43:03] What is high tech right now that we know in real its 10 or even 20 years old [22:43:21] Thanks for the links Grits. [22:43:22] you do understand they gov pay employers to hire people [22:43:29] *** Joins: idk (idk@RBOSE-e55ba99c.bb.online.no) [22:43:29] Yes they use old system until its dead [22:43:38] we are asking for jobs [22:43:40] BranManFloMore you know about oil cars? LOL [22:43:46] LoL [22:44:04] I was asking that specifically. [22:45:40] that autonomous forklift developed by MIT has been in development for at least three years [22:45:46] you know about overunity heat pumps [22:46:43] webcam was invented in 1970 [22:47:04] noone wanted it then [22:47:16] it was called something different [22:48:43] solar panels was invented ages ago [22:56:27] t minus 4 minutes [22:56:33] counting my life away [22:56:56] so freaking boring here [22:57:14] and so backed up on work,lol [22:57:30] thers always tomorrow [22:58:08] and always procrastination, thanks BranMan Ellen [22:58:26] 3 min [22:58:37] 2 [22:59:12] 1 [22:59:21] * BranManFloMore hears explosion [22:59:36] peace love smoke a doobie [22:59:43] peace [22:59:57] booom! 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