[00:00:16] http://kwy.u.bitbit.net/i/fscons2010/printobjects.jpg [00:00:34] made in reprap? [00:00:36] hehe [00:03:26] *** Joins: humanity (qwebirc@RBOSE-e69ab54d.flo.bellsouth.net) [00:05:00] >_> [00:05:07] ?music channel [00:05:17] ??music channel [00:05:20] type: /join #music [00:05:40] Just heard that country rap too. [00:05:41] LoL [00:06:01] thats how we roll her in SC [00:06:27] Gotta represent. [00:06:45] so is there a comedy channel [00:07:16] Good suggestion. [00:07:17] :) [00:07:43] type: /join #LoL [00:09:51] new channel [00:10:17] * BranManFloMore has IRC powers [00:20:04] *** Quits: Naeron_1984 (Naeron_1984@RBOSE-2e86728d.pool.telekom.hu) (Client closed the connection) [00:20:15] http://www.rbefoundation.com/grouptopic.php?f=599&t=2939 [00:20:25] http://articles.bplans.com/writing-a-business-plan/a-standard-business-plan-outline/29 [00:20:26] URL Title: A Standard Business Plan Outline β€” Business Plan Help & Small Business Articles - Bplans.com (at articles.bplans.com) [00:20:43] im the head of the state nigga [00:20:55] we need a change nigga [00:21:11] we need money niggas [00:21:31] lets put on a good show [00:21:37] fight club [00:22:25] we take care of you while you sleep nigga [00:22:51] we invent the fucking awsome reprap nigga [00:23:10] ?? rbose [00:23:11] rbose[1]: Resource Based Open Source Environment is a totally free environment without leaders nor governments where you can collaborate with people on projects all around the world. [00:23:13] rbose[2]: RBOSE is a communication platform of people interested in open sourced solutions based on resource management and implementing them in our daily lives. This group is dedicated to openness, fairness and transparency in development. We value diversity, creativity and sustainability. We don't recognize nations, religion nor politics. We believe in organic development, a development which speaks for it self. http://rbose.org/wiki [00:23:15] rbose[3]: You can search from IRC through our wiki by typing: !r [00:23:40] how the fuck are we collaborating niggas!? [00:23:55] `wiki mumble [00:23:56] <|UFO|> Viper: "mumble" leads to a disambiguation page, so it would be kind of hard to list the results from it in IRC. I'd suggest checking out the page yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumble [00:24:14] how has the money? [00:24:26] `money [00:24:26] <|UFO|> humanity: Error: "money" is not a valid command. [00:24:37] ?? money [00:24:37] money[x]: No defintion found for word. [00:24:47] `wiki money [00:24:48] <|UFO|> Viper: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money [00:24:49] ?? resources [00:24:49] resources[x]: No defintion found for word. [00:24:50] <|UFO|> Viper: The use of barter-like methods may date back to at least 100,000 years ago, though there is no evidence of a society or economy that relied primarily on barter. Instead, non-monetary societies operated largely along the principles of gift economics. When barter did occur, it was usually between either complete strangers or potential enemies. [00:24:57] If anyone is wondering why humanity is saying "nigga" a lot, I just promoted this song in the MUSIC room: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ-hPNrKdZI [00:24:58] You4Tube 2[Title] Baracka Flacka Flames - Head of The State 2[Category] Comedy 2[Duration] 0:03:36 2[Views] 1536892 2[Rating] 4.75 2[Uploaded] 2010-10-21 2[Description] Wacka Flacka "Hard in the Paint" Parody! Directed, produced and edited by MARTIN USHER and JAMES DAVIS. Director of Photography: Mark Nichols LIVE THAT LIFE PRODUCTIONS livethatlifefilms@yahoo.com Follow @theejamesdavis and @martinusher [00:25:04] You guys are missing out. [00:25:08] That's all I'm saying. [00:25:10] LoL [00:25:28] *** Quits: Bit (qwebirc@RBOSE-8afc9550.bb.online.no) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [00:25:44] 100k years ? wtf [00:26:07] Dinos using money LOL [00:28:48] so you think money will disappear? [00:28:58] 100k [00:29:21] I don't know if human beings will still be around in 100 thousand years [00:31:00] so how many batteries Grits have? [00:31:07] solar panels [00:33:58] "it was usually between either complete strangers or 04potential enemies." Haha banks and People [00:34:37] Whe should get rid of this enemy [00:35:16] *we [00:36:24] ,quote [00:36:24] Kebap: Error: "quote" is not a valid command. [00:36:37] ,quote random [00:36:37] Kebap: Quote #53: "The Internet isn't free. It just has an economy that makes no sense to capitalism. ~ Brad Shapcott" (added by GhettoTux at 06:12 PM, August 04, 2010) [00:37:35] -|UFO|- Kebap23 has quit FREENODE (Remote host closed the connection) [00:39:03] *** Quits: Antilect (Markus@RBOSE-e6ebb2a4.tbcn.telia.com) (Client closed the connection) [00:39:03] -|UFO|- Mecha has quit FREENODE (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [00:46:55] I just use two deep cycle batteries, all I need to power is my computers and phone [00:47:08] a small amount of LED lighting [01:02:22] ,quote random [01:02:22] DNS: Quote #10: "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller" (added by Kebap at 10:55 AM, May 02, 2010) [01:04:45] *** Joins: Aneiren (qwebirc@RBOSE-41e1e313.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net) [01:05:12] Hiya guys [01:05:17] y0 [01:05:33] Has anyone ever considered living a nomadic life? [01:06:07] I've been looking at "Tiny House" stuff... [01:06:17] Building a house on a flatbed trailer [01:06:23] It looks pretty cool [01:08:11] hmm [01:08:17] and what's the point of it exactly? [01:08:33] Cheap, moble house [01:08:56] mobile if you have a truck with a fifth wheel, presumably [01:09:11] If you don't like travel, then you won't like it... but I personally have traveled a lot [01:09:23] A life on the move is way better than a life standing still. [01:09:31] IMO [01:09:50] And some of the houses use fifth wheels, some are for regular hitches [01:09:57] and where are you going to park it [01:09:58] You'd still probably want a truck though... [01:10:10] *** Joins: satyr (qwebirc@RBOSE-3bb93cef.sd.cox.net) [01:10:17] Yeah, I know. Government doesn't want people to be Nomads [01:10:27] heyo [01:10:28] But WalMart parking lots are RV friendly [01:10:30] HI [01:10:46] yo [01:10:49] :) [01:10:55] Hey satyr, I'm telling a skepctical audience about Nomadic living [01:11:02] I see nothing wrong with it, but I also don't find it particularly appealing [01:11:03] shipping containers [01:11:10] Hi humanity [01:11:25] i like the idea myself i have been a nomadic liver... [01:11:25] can be hauled behind trucks [01:11:28] Nah, I like the craftsmanship you can find in some Gypsy wagons [01:11:33] it's essentially no different than a camper, except perhaps more sturdy [01:11:37] nomadic liver? [01:11:39] again with the shipping containers...lol [01:11:50] i have led a nomadic lifestyle at times. [01:12:04] True, campers were inspired by Gypsy wagons [01:12:05] have you seen the container that opens into a restaurant? [01:12:13] No, Link Me [01:12:20] and seriously [01:12:21] I have seen them open into all sorts of thngs. lol [01:12:37] Although to be honest my read dream would be to buy a sailboat [01:12:37] trying to sell a 65 square foot mobile home for $38,997 [01:12:41] these people are fucking lunatics [01:12:51] Wow! WTF! [01:12:59] Nah, thats way too pricy [01:13:05] http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/houses/ [01:13:07] URL Title: Houses (at www.tumbleweedhouses.com) [01:13:07] its supposed to be a sort of garage project. [01:13:13] the best use for shipping containers is scrap. [01:13:37] chop al lthe wals out of them but leave a skeleton to have structure if you like. [01:13:47] they are too heavy, they heat up like ovens in the sun... [01:13:50] Yeah, those are the "Commerical" type tiny houses [01:14:02] *** Quits: humanity (qwebirc@RBOSE-e69ab54d.flo.bellsouth.net) (Quit: Page closed) [01:14:07] I don't want to use Post-Industrial waste for my home [01:14:11] and they don not compare favorably to other possibilities like gypsy wagons or yurts. [01:14:23] *** Joins: humanity (qwebirc@RBOSE-e69ab54d.flo.bellsouth.net) [01:14:23] I'd rather use Pre-Industrial whimsey [01:14:27] but we have had this conversation before... [01:14:35] Good for you guys [01:14:36] LOL [01:14:39] I'd rather use earthbags and build a home that sits in one spot rather than build a 65 square foot mobile home for $16,000 [01:14:48] Well, cool [01:14:57] for once grits, we agree. [01:14:58] We'll be by to visit [01:15:07] in our gypsy wagns. [01:15:11] Yeah [01:15:21] made from shipping container scraps and good old fashioned wood. [01:15:22] trees [01:15:29] i like wood [01:15:34] Hey, a mixed settled/nomadic society would be great [01:15:47] i agree, its one of the best historic comnbinations [01:15:54] Anyone ever heard of Micronations? [01:15:58] yes [01:16:11] Yeah, I wanna build a Nautical Micronation [01:16:23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronation [01:16:24] URL Title: Micronation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) [01:16:25] Its the only Legal way of opting out of any current government [01:16:27] *** Quits: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-a096ca23.cust.telenor.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [01:16:38] huh, you and the guy i left running my tribe on arcologies. [01:16:44] who really gives a fuck about the law, we should be dismantling it, not skirting around it [01:16:54] Good luck with that. [01:16:55] so what the hell is with the PM Aneiren [01:17:00] ? [01:17:06] I said I wanted to chat [01:17:09] good luck trying to win a rigged game [01:17:18] pan said chat [01:17:22] What do you mean Grits [01:17:27] what do you think I mean [01:17:50] Heh, I'm saying that in international waters we can buy the big guns we need more easily [01:18:03] Out there, you don't HAVE to sneak [01:18:06] ah. so.. whats the core thing we want to chat about ? thingz to do? [01:18:10] you have no hope of fending off the US military [01:18:15] LOL [01:18:18] or any military for that matter [01:18:25] so what is the point of pursuing weapons [01:18:49] And you think an uprising within the US WITHOUT weapons CAN beat the US Military? [01:18:49] Actually, once i have the bots working i wiould be able to take over the world if i was evil.. but... this isn't a conversation i want to have right now. [01:19:01] I didn't say anything about an uprising [01:19:04] Well, build the bots first, then we'll talk [01:19:09] lol [01:19:10] you've seen too many movies [01:19:12] So what are you proposing? [01:19:19] nah, i'm an engineer. [01:19:21] abandoning the monetary system [01:19:36] Why would a rich and powerful capitalist want to do that? [01:19:48] bonus question. lol [01:19:56] And those rich an powerful capitalists control the military [01:19:57] their power is imaginary, like voodoo [01:20:06] Hmm. [01:20:09] I was in the Navy. [01:20:17] i love the way we flip flop in twenty seconds there. [01:20:24] Flip flop? [01:20:29] hopeless to stand against them but their power is imaginary. lol [01:20:37] Capitalists' power isn't Imaginary [01:20:48] the military isn't peopled by "rich and powerful capitalists" [01:20:52] True [01:20:55] are you having trouble following your own train of thought there? [01:21:00] look, seriously, Aneiren i don't have time for this... is there something specific on your mind? [01:21:05] jumping around all over the place [01:21:14] Sorry satyr, leave I was just wanting to chat [01:21:14] http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&expIds=17259,17311,23756,24692,24878,24879,25755,25854,26339,26637,26788,27400,27404,27510,27547,52781&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=shipping+container+restaurant&cp=22&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=6TbbTJT0KoHI4AbQsezLCA&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=2&sqi=2&ved=0CC4QsAQwAQ&biw=1024&bih=675 [01:21:14] humanity's URL: http://x0.no/1k2h [01:21:14] URL Title: shipping container restaurant - Google Search (at www.google.com) [01:21:19] every soldier is a more or less willing stooge [01:21:25] ... [01:21:39] kewl.. have fun.. much love... c ya. [01:21:41] those are the people that need to be convinced [01:21:45] My point, Seapower is the basis of Political Power [01:21:50] *** Quits: satyr (qwebirc@RBOSE-3bb93cef.sd.cox.net) (Quit: Page closed) [01:21:54] http://green.yahoo.com/blog/daily_green_news/8/twelve-amazing-shipping-container-houses.html [01:21:55] URL Title: Twelve amazing shipping container houses | Yahoo! Green (at green.yahoo.com) [01:21:56] not the tiny handful of psychotic people who are vamping them up continuously [01:21:58] And Sailors around the world share a transnational bond [01:22:14] you can't reason with your slave master, you have to convince the slaves to stop being slaves or it will never work [01:22:26] thats a prob [01:22:28] So it would be easy to build a navy and staff it with Veterens [01:22:32] we don't have to kill the slave masters, though that would be preferable [01:22:42] they are powerless, we are the tools they use to enslave each other [01:22:54] And they know that [01:23:06] And they have spent 100 years perfecting the methods of our control [01:23:07] so get to convincing people [01:23:28] Today's propaganda is so sophisticated we're almost not even aware of it. [01:23:29] religion X patriotism [01:23:45] keeps the mind fucked [01:23:51] Get to convincing people? I live in South Carolina! [01:23:59] so what [01:24:00] bilble state [01:24:05] bible [01:24:08] tell everyone you know what century this is now [01:24:21] These other idiots around here want to leave the U.S. because republicans are "too liberal" [01:24:32] they wait for the saviour, and they will not be here when it comes [01:24:38] the bible says so [01:24:43] tell people how pointless it is to perpetuate this game of ownership, particularly ownership of other people [01:24:47] And we (even here) aspire to a "Democratic" system [01:24:58] that we don't have to play this game of master and servant in order for people to get fed and sheltered [01:25:02] so I'm caught under the thumb of a million tyrants [01:25:15] and in fact this stupid game prevents universal feeding and sheltering efforts [01:25:19] The only people who really don't like the game of master and servant are the ones at the bottom [01:25:26] *** Quits: Julius (Julius@psyc.RBOSE) (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.1 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) [01:25:26] -|UFO|- Julius-ZM has quit FREENODE (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.1 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) [01:25:29] The middle class like where they are [01:25:33] because this game must have losers who are utterly reliant on the "charity" of others [01:25:44] others who really only have what they have because of this stupid rigged game [01:25:57] Because ALL societies are stratified [01:25:59] it's idiotic and stupid and animals would come up with a better society than we have [01:26:13] Wolf Packs are pretty fucked up too [01:26:19] speak for yourself [01:26:42] and that's not the point, we're not animals, we're supposed to be better than that [01:26:48] but the society we've made is no better than animals [01:27:26] We ARE animals [01:27:31] speak for yourself [01:27:35] We're not plants [01:27:41] We're not Fungi [01:27:44] indeed [01:27:49] We're not Bacteria or the rest [01:28:08] Its a anthrocentric bias that we're better than other animals. [01:28:18] in my case it also happens to be a fact [01:28:21] I'm better than other animals [01:28:36] And that Anthrocentric bias is why people are okay with burning down forests and destroying the ecosystem [01:28:53] I really hope you're making a joke there [01:28:53] no [01:29:00] that's human beings being no better than a disease [01:29:11] a disease running rampant and killing its only host [01:29:22] I'm better than that, too [01:29:31] You really think you're better? Based on what evidence? [01:29:39] yes, I really do think I'm better [01:29:55] Well, I'm sure an elephant thinks its better than you also [01:30:12] I doubt that [01:30:32] Why, animals are all dumb beasts for you to use however you wish? [01:30:55] pretty much, but that's hardly the point [01:31:09] And you want us all to live in piles of dirt... [01:31:12] hmm... [01:31:17] something isn't adding up here [01:31:20] I can only speak for myself [01:31:33] I'm more than willing to live in an earthbag house [01:31:39] You were just speaking for the whole of the animal kingdom a second ago [01:31:47] which is why I just bought 500 sand bags and a spool of barbed wire [01:31:54] because I'm going to start building an earthbag home [01:32:00] on property I own [01:32:14] Wow, a few thousand years of engineering knowledge reduced to burlap bags filled with dirt... [01:32:27] actually I'm using polyvinylchloride [01:32:28] Hey, have at it! [01:32:32] WHAT! [01:32:43] PVC bags? You're terrible! [01:32:46] the technique is called rammed earth, it's not complicated [01:32:46] LOL [01:32:50] or terribly resource intensive [01:32:57] or violently pollutive [01:33:01] I know about Rammed Earth, I'm fucking with you [01:33:18] I've been following OSE and their CBE maker [01:33:22] basically all the resources I'm going to use in building the structure of the house will be locked up in the house for hundreds of years or moe [01:33:23] more [01:33:55] My only issue... we're already running out of topsoil, and doesn't the process disturb topsoil even more? [01:34:04] and frankly this "tiny house" marketing gimmick turns my stomach [01:34:32] I'll be scraping off the topsoil and redistributing it on my property, I'll use the clay under that to fill the bags [01:35:09] if you want to talk about not disturbing the topsoil, I practice no till agriculture [01:35:09] turns your stomach? Melodramatic, much? [01:35:23] no, I'm not being melodramatic, it literally makes me queasy [01:35:23] Good for you [01:35:47] and I have plans to introduce a lot of food bearing trees and bushes onto my land [01:35:48] So whereabouts do you live? [01:35:54] southern Illinois [01:36:11] I've already introduced some berry bushes near some established cedar trees [01:36:15] Cause I've read that dirt-based structures are more succeptable to frost damage... whats up with that? [01:36:34] I have no idea [01:36:40] Note I said "Read" I have no idea either [01:36:56] but most of the topsoil I remove to get to the clay will go on top of and around the structures I build [01:36:58] I just find living in a dirt house as unappealing as you find living in a gypsy wagon (if not more) [01:37:11] Ah, a living roof [01:37:13] I don't find living in a "gypsy wagon" unappealing [01:37:22] in fact I just spent the last year living in a camper on my property [01:37:27] Ah, well, I find living in a dirt structure unappealing [01:37:34] that was probably about 80 square feet [01:37:44] I applaud those who do and enjoy it, but its not for me [01:38:15] this is the solution I came to when I decided I wanted to build a house using as few resources as I possibly could [01:38:17] Yeah, See... I'm a bit of a carpenter... so I want to build it myself [01:38:27] I'm going to build this myself [01:38:34] True [01:38:45] and what resource could be more plentiful than clay [01:38:52] But thats just stacking dirt bags up, right? [01:39:04] that's right, what could be simpler [01:39:07] you can teach a child how to do it [01:39:08] Rock is more plentiful [01:39:22] LOL [01:39:46] Clay is organic matter, and so it is all the product of living creatures [01:40:04] actually clay is mostly silt [01:40:06] (I think most clay comes from plants, actually... but I don't really know) [01:40:12] which is tiny bits of rocks [01:40:26] pulverized rock, basically [01:40:44] Sticky rock? I don't know about that [01:40:54] that's why you can bake it in an oven and it turns to something very much like rock [01:40:55] Organics are pretty much the only things that are naturally "sticky" [01:41:18] Plastic is based on organics and it can be made HARDER than rock [01:41:40] Oh well. [01:42:01] Anyways, I don't think most people in the future will live in mud houses [01:42:06] dirt houses [01:42:08] whatever [01:42:14] Certainly not here in SC [01:42:23] I'm sure that's the case [01:42:31] Our humidity is so high, those soil based structures don't have the same durability [01:42:35] they'll live in box slums just like they do today [01:42:47] I don't think you understand the concept of earthbags [01:42:56] Its your way or the highway, huh? [01:43:04] The future is safe with you around [01:43:24] you might be right [01:43:28] underground [01:43:53] so money [01:44:14] Why does everyone want to burrow or bury themselves? [01:44:21] Concrete, Dirt, Underground..d. [01:44:25] Revenue Generators [01:44:35] jk [01:44:38] Yeah, what about revenue? [01:44:40] wood [01:44:54] whats better than wood [01:44:55] Yeah, it grows on trees (and in them) [01:45:02] better than wood? [01:45:06] LOL [01:45:08] woodmizer [01:45:19] Don't mess with wood. [01:45:23] who [01:45:26] you [01:45:31] not my way [01:45:42] Harvest it more reasonably, but its one of the best building materials once harvested [01:45:46] people pay to rmove trees [01:45:49] remove [01:45:55] lots [01:46:04] Yeah, and thats tons of good wood going to waste [01:46:14] I want to mound dirt around my structures so I can grow crops on top of them [01:46:14] use it [01:46:23] and to add thermal mass to maintain a constant temperature inside [01:46:34] Ford motor co did that [01:46:40] Did what? [01:46:43] whos that guy [01:46:48] hold on [01:46:50] Henry Ford? [01:46:53] no [01:46:57] lol [01:47:17] Grits, I like aquaponics [01:47:21] speaking of remember when those engineers tries to farm rubber trees [01:47:35] fresh fish in the mountains [01:47:43] Oh, humanity, I know what you're talking about [01:47:46] they aint farmers [01:47:57] amozon [01:48:01] Down in south america [01:48:07] where they build the rubber tree plantations [01:48:19] I figure I'll have a tiny pond dug in the process of filling the bags with soil [01:48:21] And they had a company town down there [01:48:24] then the germans made thier own [01:48:34] yup [01:48:54] @Grits, so how many people are you going to have to kill to make your "Back to basics" method work? [01:49:02] what I'd like to do is dig a channel and pump water through it and cycle it through the pond [01:49:06] We've already exceeded the carrying capacity of the eary [01:49:11] http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/william_mcdonough_on_cradle_to_cradle_design.html [01:49:12] URL Title: William McDonough on cradle to cradle design | Video on TED.com (at www.ted.com) [01:49:13] earth [01:49:23] Ford [01:49:27] I don't think I'll have to kill anyone, and what is "back to basics" method? [01:50:07] http://www.mcdonough.com/cradle_to_cradle.htm [01:50:08] URL Title: Cradle To Cradle: Remaking the Way We Make Things (at www.mcdonough.com) [01:50:21] reducing the techonological complexity of your community/lifestyle [01:50:37] that's not what I'm trying to do [01:50:39] some technological complexity is just consumerism (and that can be dumped) [01:51:06] but some technological complexity is very important to our standard of living (even the projected "reformed" standards of living) [01:51:28] so are egos [01:51:31] I didn't wish these sand bags into existence, they were made with technology [01:51:38] same as my computer, the DSL modem, my cell phone [01:51:54] lol, good one [01:51:55] I'd just as soon have a better solution that was more technology intensive [01:51:56] Hey, if you figure that wishing thing out though... I'd really like to know about it [01:52:02] and that didn't involve me filling up 500 sand bags with clay [01:52:11] then packing them down one at a time [01:52:15] Yeah, that must be a drag [01:52:33] But I still want to go to sea [01:52:43] city at sea [01:52:44] start a nautical community [01:52:46] a ship [01:52:53] im in [01:53:02] and no, Grits, you don't have to come. [01:53:27] Although, you could live on the shore... and have a port for us to pull into... [01:53:41] so how does grits cook [01:53:47] southern Illinois is land locked [01:53:52] thank christ [01:53:54] I like my grits dry [01:53:57] lol [01:54:05] gas [01:54:05] like, most of the water boiled out again [01:54:12] wood [01:54:20] You don't like the ocean grits? [01:54:29] 2 batteries,shit [01:54:39] gas, wood, 2 batteries? [01:54:41] what? [01:54:45] I don't particularly care for the ocean [01:54:55] grits off the gri [01:54:58] d [01:55:10] cook with pine [01:55:13] oak [01:55:15] I have a wood stove that I use in the winter [01:55:16] coal [01:55:21] which also heats my water [01:55:43] thats nice [01:56:07] watss used daily [01:56:12] watts [01:56:28] led lights thats it [01:56:33] comp [01:56:43] charge battery last how long [01:56:55] for computer [01:57:02] wifi [01:57:07] how [01:57:15] laptop [01:57:17] k [01:57:25] transportation [01:57:32] bike [01:57:33] what are you listing? [01:57:37] no [01:57:57] asking grits things [01:58:08] what is it you're asking? [01:58:14] more info [01:58:47] hey Grits, you got a webpage for your project? [01:58:54] no [01:58:58] cool [01:59:02] but I was thinking of making one, so I could run an internet begging scam [01:59:09] ... [01:59:30] You are a fine example of what America is all about my friend... and for that I salute you. [02:00:02] my idea was to make an Amazon wish list for the project and solicit donations via Amazon purchases [02:00:16] so people would know exactly where their money was going [02:00:44] So how do I get complete strangers to pay me for nothing? [02:01:01] I've got energy, but I can't do anything because I have a negative income [02:01:07] run for office [02:01:10] and I'm wasting all my time out hunting for jobs [02:01:32] If I could, I would have already started building my first boat [02:01:33] http://rbose.org/wiki/Energy [02:01:34] URL Title: Energy - RBOSE (at rbose.org) [02:01:54] Aw! [02:02:03] You're missing my favorite energy source! [02:02:13] add this [02:02:16] lol [02:02:33] just register at wiki and add [02:02:42] every help is welcome :) [02:02:56] Why should I give my secrets to a bunch of Anarchists like you? (J/K) [02:03:03] :O [02:03:03] Nah seriously though [02:03:14] * DNS cries and runs away [02:03:14] Ouch. [02:03:16] its close enough to what you already have... [02:03:28] Its solar-steam power [02:03:32] heh [02:03:44] * BranManFloMore burps [02:03:50] Steam power is still the king of power [02:03:56] * DNS 2is listening to 12now that i'm gone 2by 12charles bradley9 [10Exaile9] [02:04:30] Exaile hahaha [02:04:31] The internal combustion engine is a small fry when compared to the efficiency, versitility, and reliability of steam power [02:04:54] ... [02:05:23] exaile is a music player for gnu/linux :P [02:05:32] I know, I have it on my system [02:05:35] :) [02:05:43] im workin on a script [02:05:52] theres a previous one in our wiki [02:05:59] but will be updated s00n [02:06:14] Someone buy me some lumber! [02:06:24] Or a CNC machine [02:06:33] go with earthbags [02:06:34] I know how to run CNC machines as well [02:06:41] I don't HAVE land [02:06:51] then you're fucked [02:06:56] Thanks [02:07:08] I hope your earthbag house burns down... [02:07:12] somehow [02:07:19] Ineffective jab is ineffective [02:07:21] ,smack Aneiren [02:07:21] * rBOTse smacks Aneiren with a machinery [02:07:25] lol [02:07:40] earthbag houses don't burn down do they? [02:07:47] not so far as I know [02:08:06] Man, it fucking pisses me off that old people have fucked up everything for us young people who are trying to get a start [02:08:24] I can't even get a job at a fucking restaurant or anything [02:08:38] And you're over there lording your fucking land over me [02:08:47] Yeah, I'd love to own land [02:08:55] yeah it's nice [02:08:59] LoL [02:09:04] But the only members of my generation who will are the ones who inherit it [02:09:34] unless things change [02:09:53] Well, thats why I want a nomadic home [02:10:07] Its my only option to be able to own something that is truely my own [02:10:28] Otherwise, I'd build a huge multi-story brick house [02:11:30] But hey, you don't care, right? You've got yours and if I don't agree with your policies you don't plan on helping me. [02:11:54] hahaha [02:12:32] I have to deal with this on a daily basis, its not funny [02:13:23] do something about it [02:16:14] easy to say. [02:16:20] I don't have a vehicle [02:16:32] all I have is a bicycle [02:16:41] Yeah, but you have land [02:16:51] only because I bought it [02:16:59] I don't have money [02:17:03] And I can't get a job [02:17:15] so how am I supposed to buy land if I can't get a job? [02:17:24] rob a bank [02:17:30] Thats a stupid idea [02:17:44] learn to climb trees with a chainsaw, like I did [02:17:52] I made $18000 in one summer [02:17:54] I don't have a chainsaw [02:18:03] And nobody will loan me one [02:18:09] then you're fucked [02:18:12] And none of the landscapers are hiring [02:18:19] convince people to just give you what you want [02:18:36] People will only give me what I need [02:18:44] and my needs are what THEY decide I need [02:19:07] and like you, they think "This is america! Just get a job you fucking slob" [02:19:29] I've offered many suggestions that don't involve getting a job [02:19:34] Such as? [02:19:41] rob banks [02:19:55] You're a dumbass [02:20:06] learn a trade so you can "find work" instead of "get a job" [02:20:16] convince people to just give you what you want [02:20:19] all good suggestions [02:20:40] Good enough to make you feel better I suppose [02:20:52] * DNS 2is listening to 12doin' it to death 2by 12fred wesley & j.b.'s9 [10Exaile9] [02:20:52] But they're just like the solutions our government proposes [02:20:56] *** Quits: Sixth_Ape (sixth_ape@RBOSE-8b2f1114.mweb.co.za) (Client closed the connection) [02:21:08] I propose dismantling the government as a solution [02:21:14] governments are part of the problem [02:21:24] Yeah, you really are an ignorant dumbass [02:21:56] yet I'm getting what I want without having to deal with money on a continual basis [02:22:02] maybe you guys should meet in mumble to let it all out! [02:22:03] humanity, I'll message you a link to a different chat room [02:22:06] :D [02:22:21] DNS: maybe you guys should meet in mumble to let it all out! <--- Hell yeah [02:22:40] Bran, DNS... sorry this polluted your IRCspace [02:22:53] Grits, Fuck Off Dickhead [02:22:57] :o [02:22:58] *** Quits: Aneiren (qwebirc@RBOSE-41e1e313.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net) (Quit: Page closed) [02:23:00] hahaha [02:23:04] lol [02:23:05] You're mean [02:23:07] LoL [02:23:28] *** Joins: Sixth_Ape (sixth_ape@RBOSE-8b2f1114.mweb.co.za) [02:27:07] lol [02:28:17] * Viper 10is listening to 14 Action (DJ Tiesto Mix) [Mantra Recordings] 10 by 14 Saint Etienne 11**2[12]2[12]2[12]2[12]7[4]2[12]2[12]2[12]11** 10 [3Exaile10] [02:30:23] <|UFO|> 11<11Viper@FREENODE11> 03 test [02:30:54] *** Viper is now known as Phantom [02:35:58] so, is vinces still alive somewhere? [02:37:54] yes [02:38:11] but he seems not be comin back atm here [02:38:25] hes often at fb or jabber but not here [02:38:36] job and family etc [02:38:58] FB facebook? [02:39:17] yep [02:39:35] oh facebook games are time killerz Now i know why hes not here HAHA [02:39:53] hes not payin games i think [02:40:06] jk [02:40:07] eh playin [02:40:26] [02:39] hes not payin games i think , They are free LOL [02:40:37] I think he meant playing. [02:41:12] 03,14 [02:40] jk [02:43:10] *** Joins: satyr (qwebirc@RBOSE-3bb93cef.sd.cox.net) [02:44:05] Hey satyr [02:44:19] `any God [02:44:19] <|UFO|> Phantom: God was last seen in #RBOSE 1 week, 0 days, 0 hours, 53 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: *** God has joined #RBOSE [02:44:37] *** Joins: God (God@localhost) [02:49:01] *** Quits: humanity (qwebirc@RBOSE-e69ab54d.flo.bellsouth.net) (Quit: Page closed) [02:49:31] hey [02:49:44] y0 [02:49:49] yo [02:50:16] i heard a funny story .. thought i'd come see if the sparks are still goin..lol [02:50:40] y0 [02:50:55] what kind of funny story? [02:50:58] :P [02:51:32] * DNS 2is listening to 12get off 2by 12ripple9 [10Exaile9] [02:52:03] oh... just the standard "i cussed x out" story..lol [02:53:28] was you talkin with aneiren? [02:53:29] :x [02:53:56] you guessed? [02:53:58] lol [02:54:54] i try to combine [02:54:57] :x [02:55:37] you know, i used to imagine chats were truly a waste of time. [02:55:44] and in many senses that is half true [02:55:53] haha [02:55:55] its impossible to do whole paragraphs... [02:56:01] deep thinking is thus impaired. [02:56:04] well it can make a lot sense [02:56:16] but depends on the content of talk of course [02:56:19] on the other hand the upside which i have recently learned to appreciate [02:56:30] is the response time and thus sense of a real conversation. [02:57:03] True. [02:57:04] :> [02:57:05] so the main point i guess i'd like to make is, i walked out of the session because i'm trying to make sure that what i spend my time and energy on are worth it. [02:57:16] and that conversation didn't hold much promise. [02:57:35] it would be neat for people involved to focus with me and on the things we could do together. [02:57:46] sometimes it seems like everyone chats and nothing gets done. [02:57:50] http://www.rbefoundation.com/grouptopic.php?f=705&t=2935 [02:58:55] <|UFO|> 11* 11Viper@FREENODE 10is listening to 14 Netherworld [Oliver Prime Remix] 10 by 14 L.S.G. 10 [3Exaile10] [02:58:58] bran, since we have the time and space open here... [02:59:15] i'd just like to thank you for your work on the rbef intro wiki article... [02:59:24] really helpful.. really demonstrates right action... [02:59:31] way to put your back into the work... [02:59:52] really gives me the morale boost i need to know i am working with others not just working alone. [03:00:16] :) [03:00:18] =) [03:00:19] so thanks and double thanks, i appreciate you very much.. [03:00:35] See guys, I do more than bash on TZM. [03:00:40] LoL [03:00:42] HEHE [03:00:45] on that note... i need to go write another section or 3. [03:00:58] Cool, I'll keep doing what I can. [03:01:15] satyr: hi btw, nice to see more RBEF folks starting to use IRC [03:01:21] i have faith in that. You really are a great example i wish more people would pay attention to. [03:01:40] well, the chat system we have going now is buggy compared to this... [03:01:51] its prettier but not more functional. [03:02:02] Caly: satyr: hi btw, nice to see more RBEF folks starting to use IRC <--- I'm starting to recognize some from RBOSE join the RBEF forums too. [03:02:05] i'd like to see us collaborate more. [03:02:05] It's a great thing. [03:02:15] yeah, u've been saying it over and over again, IRC as daily communication for teams are freakin superior. [03:02:29] *i*ve been saying.. [03:02:40] i wonder if it would work to install this chat software into the wiki? [03:02:48] there is #rbef channel too :D [03:02:48] the one we have is... buggy.. [03:02:55] and wiki for knowledge base :D [03:03:00] ?? wiki [03:03:02] wiki: RBOSE-WIKI: http://rbose.org/wiki/ [03:03:04] i should look at the channels. [03:03:11] type: /list [03:03:12] umbrella [03:03:13] :) [03:03:17] BranManFloMore: that's just great, i've been promoting RBEF from day one. [03:03:30] http://www.theprojectumbrella.org/An_Introduction_to_RBEF [03:03:48] satyr: yeah, use the same webclient we do, it's awesome. [03:04:13] and just let it connect to this network, just have it directed to the channel #RBEF [03:04:13] maybe you guys could run that past venux. [03:04:36] Caly: BranManFloMore: that's just great, i've been promoting RBEF from day one. <--- Okay, you're better than me. [03:04:38] Gosh... [03:04:42] LoL [03:04:51] makes sense to me.. [03:04:59] Your efforts are appreciated Caly, very much. [03:05:24] i'm keeping out of the computer technicalities thou, i'm more of the mechanichs engineer [03:05:26] satyr: maybe you guys could run that past venux. <--- I mentioned it in a thread somewhere. [03:05:29] I'll remind him. [03:05:36] Again. [03:05:41] BranManFloMore: <3 [03:05:41] do that, its got my vote. [03:05:56] link me to a thread on it or etc. [03:06:10] we should be able to vote on it or etc and then more or less push it through? [03:06:44] venuxes position on things is he just wants to be the techie and let us be the facilitators... so... [03:06:57] if we pool our votes and energy thats something maybe we can get done. [03:06:59] :) [03:07:05] yeah, i'd love to see more of RBEF folks having daily communication anyway, and just using the same network for as many a RBE entity as possible just mekes the most sense. [03:07:32] As long as they can accept the no-ban policy and reefrain from using OP:s [03:07:50] i like your search bot. venux and i spoke about getting a search function on the forum like it but that hasn't happened yet. [03:07:54] satyr: link me to a thread on it or etc. <--- Let me find it. [03:08:04] it would sure expedite the research problem. [03:08:22] how does it work again? [03:08:25] remind me? [03:09:10] http://www.rbefoundation.com/grouptopic.php?p=18969#p18969 <--- My suggestion [03:09:12] URL Title: main page chat (at www.rbefoundation.com) [03:09:23] satyr: the most awesome function in my mind must be the wiki edit reporting bot. ( join #WIKI and see the work progress in real time) [03:09:54] that would be neat to get going on umbrella. [03:10:35] manila frankly kind of lost it and then focus went out the window... it was like an enormous amount of work got done and then suddenly everything screeched to a halt. [03:11:12] if you guys could put some time and energy into it maybe the morale would go up enough to get some of these things done. [03:12:48] Again my skills are not in computer stuff, but if i get a task like translating or writing on a subject or what not, sure. [03:12:50] i'm sure you experience that also some times... serious lulls in morale and thus activity.. [03:13:04] absolutely. [03:13:05] writing on a subject. [03:13:18] that would be neat if we could pick some subjects for you... [03:13:30] what kinds of subjects would you be interested in? [03:14:10] there is ust so many projects that needs to synch, and so little time since we started up RBOSE, we all have our mouthfull so to speak. [03:14:57] yes. so how to create focus? [03:15:11] satyr: well, hmm... my main focus right now is on TTLP, the Transition Technology Livelihood Project [03:15:12] i know i waste 50 percent of my work time... [03:15:24] link me? [03:15:40] certainly... sec... [03:17:24] that sounds like what we are working on also... [03:17:36] cosar and pitar are very gung ho to make money. [03:18:07] so gung ho that its hard to get anything else done since they seem to have built up a sort of intolerance to things they see as getting in the way. [03:18:15] competing for attention for that issue. [03:18:20] satyr: http://openetherpad.org/TTLP-Eng-Declaration-Of-Intentions [03:18:21] URL Title: EtherPad: TTLP-Eng-Declaration-Of-Intentions (at openetherpad.org) [03:18:27] I know i don't want to keep working all day for no money either. [03:18:39] Yeah... I'm starting to see more threads like that but it seems undefined to me what they want to raise money for. [03:18:40] WORD! [03:20:11] that was an interesting read. [03:20:19] it seems a bit abstract still. [03:20:47] sure [03:20:52] the solution i am trying to get rbef to see is that we need a delineated category tree for projects and each project needs its own business plan. [03:21:27] so what comes next in both of our work... [03:21:51] seems to be the actual list of projects that are very near term, very pragmatic, very dooable, and very clear to turn some kind of profit. [03:23:26] utomation Communication sollutions CAD/CAM System Decision making Donation system Electric energy production (decentralized energy production etc.) -Ask Caly! Electric energy distribution Food production Legal forms of organisations (research suitable solutions etc.) OpenSource business models Parts database for decentralized production & recycling Production RBOSE-affiliation info. RepRap Resourse management (info on resource credit system, Karma p [03:23:52] satyr: as you can see, there are some obvious areas on this kind of projects where RBEF can assist. [03:23:57] like this but more detailed, and as a category tree with then actual main projects under each category. [03:24:07] yes. [03:24:09] transparent donation system... legal stufff etc. [03:24:45] satyr: well, if you have acess to Google Wave i can show you quite a detailed such... [03:24:46] well, i think every person has contributions they can make, and i see it as two pools of people each with different kinds of skills. [03:24:51] http://rbose.org/wiki/Karma < check this also [03:24:52] URL Title: Karma - RBOSE (at rbose.org) [03:25:13] being very educated and etc having some skills myself takes me face to face with the skills i don't have... the blank spaces i need other people for. [03:25:28] satyr: indeed [03:25:32] http://theprojectumbrella.org/The_Moderation_Handbook [03:25:43] :) [03:26:14] !w moderation [03:26:16] Moderation | Moderation is the process of eliminating or lessening extremes. It is used to ensure normality throughout the medium on which it is being conducted. Common uses of moderation include: Ensuring consistency and accuracy in the marking of student assessments.. A moderator may remove unsuitable contributions from the website, forum or IRC channel they represent in accordance with their [03:26:17] moderation system.. A more proactive nuance is found in the Methodist church's use of the term for the heads of its conferences.. A neutron moderator is used to slow down neutrons in a nuclear reactor.. A way of life started at The American School In Japan by Chaiken of Biology. This lifestyle emphasizes perfect amounts of everythin @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moderation [03:27:10] that karma site idea sounds like manilas version of the project umbrella. [03:27:12] * BranManFloMore is scared of DNS' automatic IRC definitions. [03:27:31] the karma project is a bit older than this handbook [03:27:38] :x [03:27:57] one core problem i see is balancing the NPO side with the business side. [03:28:16] in RBEF the business folks are driving away the NPO folks and not realizing it. [03:28:41] I think this may have been the core problem that happened with manila but i really don't know what happened there at all. [03:28:50] DNS: the karma project is a bit older than this handbook <--- Rub in my face why don't you. [03:28:53] Gosh... [03:29:14] the moderation handbook is a work in progress... [03:29:20] Yes. [03:29:32] the karma project to0 [03:29:39] rbose to0 [03:29:41] ;D [03:29:43] branman was the real driver force to get the work done on the wiki and he integrated materials from several different RBEF threads to do that. [03:30:12] the similarity i see is both are approaches to the problem of morality and ethics. [03:30:40] I try, I try to also promote some RBEF threads in the RBOSE wiki page Prom came up with: http://rbose.org/wiki/Prometheuspan_Clan [03:30:41] URL Title: Prometheuspan Clan - RBOSE (at rbose.org) [03:30:51] the karma project takes an absolutist NPO tack. And thats something i agree with- but i also think we need to in parallel explore making money. [03:30:59] BranManFloMore: WOW! Great moderation handbook! =) [03:31:05] good work mate! [03:31:16] yay! [03:31:18] :) [03:31:46] :-D [03:31:51] one core problem i see is balancing the NPO side with the business side. [18:28] in RBEF the business folks are driving away the NPO folks and not realizing it. [03:32:44] classic... [03:32:56] i think every npo guy should feel good with rbose but idk [03:33:12] so i guess the question is, in that polarity or duality, whats the other side of the karma project? it seems maybe this other thing... the TTLP [03:33:54] well... it seems you guys are more idealistic than we are... more the communism/ anarchy/ NPO side. [03:34:06] We seem to be the business group... [03:34:18] i wonder where you see the communism/anarchy [03:34:24] D; [03:34:30] Its funny how deeply i realized this earlier this month.. [03:34:57] well, i only have a few interactions and then the work i did look at on the wiki... [03:35:01] to judge by. [03:35:02] anarchy maybe im some kind of way but not purely [03:35:16] BTW, i have read pretty much the whole wiki at least as it was a few months ago. [03:35:45] it was a lot added the last days heh [03:35:48] the RBOSE wiki? oooh, much has happened since. [03:36:02] thera are hundreds of edits aday sometimes [03:36:03] it seems to me that there are some half anarchists over here, not that this is a guiding principle you guys live by? [03:36:12] check News part :D so you can stay on truck [03:36:23] http://rbose.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&limit=1000 [03:36:25] URL Title: Recent changes - RBOSE (at rbose.org) [03:36:31] well.. i don't know what kind of time i have for that. [03:36:39] I think everyone is an anarchist, unless they're a fascist [03:36:47] http://rbose.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&limit=1000 [03:36:49] but i would be interested in collaborating on the TTLP concept... [03:36:51] URL Title: Recent changes - RBOSE (at rbose.org) [03:36:54] and other things... [03:37:31] last link are just the changes from last 30 days [03:37:34] grits; reality is not composed of mere dualisms, most people are neither anarchists nor fascists. [03:37:46] satyr: ana [03:37:50] pretty much got to be one or the other [03:38:03] cat on keyboeard xD [03:38:14] (the anarchist side of the forum speaks...lol) [03:38:36] just like there are two sides to religion, the atheists on one side and everyone else on the other side [03:39:00] again, what turns out to be sadly true is that most all atheism is just a christian denomination. [03:39:18] seen from outside of the false dualism, such a claim is ludicrous. [03:39:20] what you said is, by definition, wrong [03:39:29] atheism is not a religion or part of any religion [03:39:32] no, what you said is by definition wrong. [03:39:44] this dualism is totally valid [03:39:49] Anarchists? how so? and if so, so what? [03:39:49] you are either atheist or you are delusional [03:39:54] atheism for the most part is absolutely christianity with all of the beliefs inverted. [03:40:09] and here is why you fail [03:40:12] atheism is not a belief system [03:40:17] it's the absence of religious delusion [03:40:22] the only way to not see this is to be caught inside of it. [03:40:47] look, I'm not really interested in discussing this with you. [03:41:02] The fact is i studied world religions and paradigm ology and i know what i am talking about. [03:41:04] that suits me [03:41:09] since you seem severely misinformed [03:41:23] exactly what i'd say about you- [03:41:35] now, the grown ups were having a discussion. [03:41:42] you're making an emotional appeal to a logical fact [03:41:53] atheism is not a religion or part of any religion [03:42:22] fine. back to the original conversation. [03:42:36] Regardless of popular belief, Anarchism is actually quite a viable social system, even if i stoped promoting it since several years... [03:42:51] anarchy isn't a social system [03:42:52] I mean, it's not the absence of order as many think [03:43:09] that depends, in that there are different denominations of anarchism and most of them are ludicrous. [03:43:14] anarchy is the absence of coercive government [03:43:22] the absence of coercion of all forms in the extreme [03:43:29] thats one definition, and not the one political science uses. [03:43:34] anarchy is also not a religion [03:43:35] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6w2M50_Xdk [03:43:36] You4Tube 2[Title] Science Saved My Soul. 2[Category] Education 2[Duration] 0:00:00 2[Views] 265680 2[Rating] 4.96 2[Uploaded] 2010-11-01 2[Description] Yes, many of those thinkers to whom I owe my mental freedom were religious, like Newton, a Christian, who believed God made the Earth but who then showed me why the Earth would have formed without a god's help. Or Plank and Schrodinger, two more Christians, who believed God r [03:43:40] so there aren't "different denominations" of it [03:43:51] there is just the objective definition of anarchy [03:43:55] which means no coercive government [03:44:06] i don't know why you guys let the most stupid person here ruin every attempt at conversation. [03:44:41] umm [03:44:50] yeah? [03:45:02] regardless, i don't see what the issue is with anarchists. If i said i was a Socialist or a Marxists or a syndicalist, would that render the same aversion? [03:45:08] we dont not ban people [03:45:26] *do not ban [03:46:01] satyr: if you can't stand someone, there is a perfectly easy solution, just type: /ignore [username] [03:46:05] actually, yes, i think we do need to confront such systems as ideologies. ideologies don't solve problems. Socialism, communism, ... even capitalism or etc... all of the isms are obstructions to getting anything done. [03:46:20] satyr if you dont like some one you can put on ignore [03:46:24] i think not banning people is very important and i agree with that. [03:46:33] i don't subscribe to any of themm, but what is your approach then? [03:46:44] i also think social pressures to curb problem behaviors are sometimes called for [03:46:58] just lead by example. [03:46:59] my approach is scientific method and formal conversational logic. [03:47:04] easy as that [03:47:16] this turns out to work ver ywell for those who take the time to use it. [03:47:30] it also renders all of the isms very rapidly into sets of mostly false axioms. [03:47:46] sure [03:48:27] i wouldn't mind alot of wicked facists to come and argue, where better for them to learn? [03:48:29] i don't hate or dislike the isms, and in fact the point i try to make is that they all of them also have some true axioms. [03:48:55] well, i don't have time for that but i appreciate the sentiment. [03:49:56] So this is where i'd like to go back to [03:49:58] this is a public place, as suche, it's up to any visitor here to decide wether they want to talk to any other individual. No need for anyone to decide on any others behalf. [03:50:28] theres the NPO side and the Business side, and it seems we are both tangling with how to do both things in a balanced way and also keep them from entabgling each other. [03:51:07] "this is a public place, as suche" [03:51:30] Business side souds evil hehe [03:51:43] you can allow people to toss food around your public restauraunt and thus ensure nobody ever comes to eat, or you can demand a certain level of civility... [03:51:56] well, that's because business seldom realize what science proves, collaboration and openess allways wins. [03:52:00] there is nothing evil about being compensated for the work we do [03:52:21] business can be evil, but it doesnt have to be. [03:52:43] our current model is, our current corporate oligarchy is definitely evil. [03:52:58] no rules dont mean you can do ANYTHING [03:52:59] however, that doesn't mean we should throw all babies out with the bath water. [03:53:27] well, the whole concept of business is soon to be eradicated out of our vocabulary due to it's shae pointlessness in a society based on abundance. [03:53:27] if you flood bot will kick you out of here LOL [03:53:29] ;) [03:53:59] there are two main denominal branches of anarchism. one says zero rules. Thats also impossible, since packs and mobs self organize. The other branch says that government aside from the immediately local is anti-humane. And there i can find some common ground. [03:54:20] right [03:55:34] political science gives us another bit, which is that in theory any real democracy must by definition consist of local self sufficient communities which provide egalitarian social services- AND a free market system for macro economics. [03:55:46] (the current market system we have is actually a slave market system...) [03:55:58] theer are ofc some more intricate aspects and deeper realization to learn in regards to Anarchistic philosophy, but i don't request for anyone to even reflect on them. [03:56:13] So, clearly on some points the mor evolved version of anarchism agrees with the absolute political science. [03:56:49] *** Quits: faresz (qwebirc@RBOSE-49ecfcd1.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [03:57:01] jup [03:57:44] So, back to the main point, which is that in order to succeed, we will need to support both local community AND a new kind of global market system. [03:57:59] how to do that and keep it real is the hardest problem. [03:58:19] Well, it's horribly late here, i gotta catch some sleep [03:58:29] Alrighty then, take care man. [03:58:32] IE, entropy tends to want to decay communities as soon as any kind of market system starts to push towards merchantile republicanism. [03:58:40] good night Caly take care ;) [03:58:45] good night. [03:58:49] nice to chitchat with you satyr, make sure to stay around ;) [03:58:56] okay [03:59:01] ta-da [03:59:08] lol [03:59:14] sleep tight... [04:00:48] .kick God be gone [04:00:48] *** God was kicked by RBOSE (be gone (Phantom)) [04:00:49] *** Joins: God (God@rbose.org) [04:01:01] its only OK to kick God here :D [04:01:07] lol [04:02:11] is that merely a prop joke dummy handle or is there an actual person who uses that handle? [04:02:36] its God :D [04:02:44] ah. [04:02:56] i disbelieve. [04:02:59] lol [04:03:04] btw most are using irc client [04:03:10] its better then webchat [04:03:12] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-91b6e84c.bredband.skanova.com) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [04:03:25] -|UFO|- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [04:03:25] we are in irc now? [04:03:29] yes? [04:03:30] yes [04:03:36] this is IRC [04:03:46] ,pillow satyr [04:03:46] * rBOTse quickly throws a pillow in the face of satyr [04:03:53] webchat is? where? what? [04:04:05] umm you are connected from website? [04:04:10] ,pillow phantom [04:04:10] * rBOTse quickly throws a pillow in the face of phantom [04:04:25] uhm... [04:04:27] no [04:04:35] this was in my browser history? [04:04:43] ? [04:04:44] i mean from browser [04:04:57] i don't understand your question to be honest. [04:05:10] qwebirc is a webchat program [04:05:28] is that the one umbrella project uses? [04:06:06] something like that [04:06:29] ah [04:06:32] http://rbose.org/wiki/IRC/Webchats [04:06:33] URL Title: IRC/Webchats - RBOSE (at rbose.org) [04:06:51] http://rbose.org/wiki/IRC/Clients [04:06:52] URL Title: IRC/Clients - RBOSE (at rbose.org) [04:07:59] "A webchat is an IRC client that allows you to connect using a website, without having to install anything. " [04:08:01] aha [04:08:09] :) [04:08:18] < `fortune [04:09:01] <|UFO|> Phantom: Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors. [04:09:29] 'fortune [04:09:32] ? [04:09:34] lol [04:09:41] its other sign [04:09:44] `fortune [04:09:44] <|UFO|> Phantom: You have a strong appeal for members of your own sex. [04:09:48] `<== [04:09:48] <|UFO|> Phantom: Error: "<==" is not a valid command. [04:10:03] below Esc [04:10:11] 'fortune [04:10:32] before 1 at left [04:10:43] `fortune [04:10:46] <|UFO|> satyr: Reply hazy, ask again later. [04:10:51] lol [04:11:00] `fortune [04:11:00] <|UFO|> satyr: Questionable day. Ask somebody something. [04:11:20] how do we save the humanz in the most efficient manner? [04:11:30] `fortune [04:11:30] <|UFO|> satyr: You will be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize... posthumously. [04:11:37] lol [04:12:18] well... [04:12:25] i should get back to work... [04:12:40] have good time :) [04:12:45] Peace [04:12:58] thanks, maybe i wil llet this float here... [04:13:14] so i can come back and lurk when i am thinkin' [04:13:17] :) [04:13:20] :) [04:13:27] `wiki GNU [04:13:29] <|UFO|> Phantom: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU [04:13:30] <|UFO|> Phantom: GNU (pronounced /ˈɑnuː/( listen)) is a Unix-like computer operating system developed by the GNU project, ultimately aiming to be a "complete Unix-compatible software system" composed wholly of free software. Development of GNU was initiated by Richard Stallman in 1983 and was the original focus of the Free Software Foundation (FSF), but no stable release of GNU yet exists as of September 2010. The (1 more message) [04:14:04] `more [04:14:05] <|UFO|> Phantom: latest alpha release of the GNU system is GNU 0.2, released in 2004, featuring GNU Hurd as the system's kernel. Other (non-GNU) kernels can also presently be used with GNU; the FSF maintains that Linux, when used with GNU tools and utilities, should be considered a variant of GNU, and promotes the term GNU/Linux for such systems (leading to the GNU/Linux naming controversy). [04:30:36] http://www.sott.net/articles/show/217559-Israeli-government-documents-show-deliberate-policy-to-keep-Gazans-at-near-starvation-levels [04:30:37] Phantom's URL: http://xrl.us/bh7iom [04:30:37] URL Title: Israeli government documents show deliberate policy to keep Gazans at near-starvation levels -- Middle East Madness -- Sott.net (at www.sott.net) [04:30:48] sick [04:47:24] *** Quits: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@146AF2.2BD0F3.A8DC5C.5BF77F) (Quit: Leaving.) [04:53:56] good night RBOSE :D [04:54:01] *** Quits: satyr (qwebirc@RBOSE-3bb93cef.sd.cox.net) (Quit: Page closed) [04:54:19] *** Joins: satyr (qwebirc@RBOSE-3bb93cef.sd.cox.net) [04:55:33] *** Quits: yourdaddy (Billll@RBOSE-5b82841e.res.rr.com) (Client closed the connection) [04:55:58] *** Joins: yourdaddy (Billll@RBOSE-5b82841e.res.rr.com) [05:04:06] *** Joins: Moe (qwebirc@RBOSE-41e1e313.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net) [05:04:54] ,hammer satyr [05:04:54] * rBOTse slaps satyr with a big |-| /-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ of hard informations. (Only because Moe requested that.) [05:05:59] *** Guest13341 is now known as obst- [05:06:09] whattup moe? [05:06:14] :-) [05:06:38] Hi [05:08:44] *** Moe is now known as Aneiren [05:11:56] *** Joins: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-5eee5520.res.rr.com) [05:12:52] Hi DNS [05:13:11] heh hi :) [05:13:25] y0 y0 [05:13:26] `games [05:13:26] <|UFO|> Aneiren: Error: "games" is not a valid command. [05:13:32] `Game [05:13:33] <|UFO|> Aneiren: Error: "Game" is not a valid command. [05:13:36] hmm [05:13:37] `list games [05:13:37] <|UFO|> DNS: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette [05:13:41] Oh [05:13:52] `roulette [05:13:52] <|UFO|> Aneiren: *click* [05:14:00] best channel to play is #test [05:14:03] :) [05:14:04] "click?" [05:14:21] Nah, I'm done playing (I think?) [05:14:25] :D [05:14:55] -|UFO|- DNS777 has quit FREENODE (Changing host) [05:14:56] -|UFO|- DNS777 has joined on FREENODE [05:14:57] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v DNS777 [05:15:16] So, BranMan [05:15:26] Checked out the forum lately? [05:16:44] Doing so now. [05:16:54] Anything you want me to check out specifically? [05:17:24] Nah [05:17:30] Just trying to make conversation [05:17:39] Like asking about the weather, you know? [05:17:51] Ah, I hear ya. [05:18:12] Yeah man, I'm feeling sick right now. So you may not catch a lot of energy from me for awhile. [05:18:27] I think the way I've been feeling lately has a lot to do with the weather. [05:18:59] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v duxck [05:19:03] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v kalken [05:19:35] LOL [05:19:44] I'm watching "Dave Chappel meets an Indian" [05:19:46] LOL [05:20:00] He's the man. [05:20:01] LoL [05:21:21] Yeah, this is Hilarious [05:22:49] "they gave me my own Teepee to stay in... which I thought was kinda fucked up" [05:22:50] LOL [05:23:14] Haha [05:25:41] Yeah, I saw Navajo people too when I was in Arizona [05:26:42] I didn't really talk to many of them... they didn't exactly look very friendly, and I know the Cherokees in our mountains are dangerous people to fuck with (or talk to if they're in a bad mood) so I just played it safe [05:27:15] I would too. [05:28:59] Or come up with an indian name to socialize with. [05:29:00] LoL [05:29:02] LOL [05:29:35] With the Eastern Band Cherokee (the ones near me) you DON'T want to make up an indian name. They might kill you for making fun of them. [05:29:52] They've been fucked over so many times, they've become something like a Gang. [05:30:01] Whoa [05:30:07] If you make friends, they're great friends... [05:30:21] But if you're not a friend, just stay outta their space [05:30:28] off of their turf as it were [05:30:50] Well, Hell. I worked at a local state park... The mountain used to be a holy site for them [05:31:12] Then the christians attacked them and drove them off of this place so they couldn't practice their religion [05:31:32] The place was like the Center of their World. Like Mecca for a Muslim or the Temple Mount for a Jew [05:31:49] White people have done HORRIBLE things to these people. [05:32:23] Of course, I don't feel guilty... At the time, my people were slaves in England, so I know none of MY ancestors did anything to wrong them. [05:34:02] Hmmm.... [05:34:07] http://rbefoundation.com/grouptopic.php?f=76&t=2380 [05:34:09] URL Title: Nanos idea of chatbox (at rbefoundation.com) [05:34:13] Nice... Rub it in, huh? [05:34:34] "SOMEONE had a change of Heart, HUH?" [05:34:36] LOL [05:35:22] Interesting Historical Trivia. [05:35:30] He always bashed RBOSE and seeing him suggesting that made me smile. [05:35:40] Aneiren: Interesting Historical Trivia. <--- Yeah [05:35:41] 4 out of 5 African Slaves were sold to Arabia [05:36:13] But Arabia has almost no people who are descendents of slaves. [05:36:14] Why? [05:36:30] Because the Arabs worked their slaves to death on average within five years of purchase [05:36:54] Whereas in America, most slaved actually died of old age. [05:37:18] Not that slavery is acceptable... [05:37:43] But its interesting how the same repugnant system can seem nice in one place when compared to another [05:38:23] Didn't know that about Arabia. [05:38:25] Hmmm... [05:40:24] Did you read the new threads about our Fleet? [05:41:06] Yes. [05:42:30] And? [05:43:50] I'm reading new replies. [05:44:40] Hey! I leveled up! I'm now an "Expert Activist"... [05:45:21] Oh shit! [05:45:23] LoL [05:46:11] What does that mean? [05:46:59] It's just leveling, like what you see in TZM. Being called a level 1 poster, level 2 poster and someone. [05:47:10] LOL [05:47:13] This method use to be used when calling people "trolls". [05:47:16] Level 1 troll. [05:47:20] Level 2 troll. [05:47:24] Level 3 troll. [05:47:28] That was the highest. [05:47:29] LoL [05:47:56] DND inspired Nerdery [05:48:39] * DNS 2is listening to 12our generation (j.period remix) 2by 12john legend & roots feat. pete rock & c.l. smooth9 [10Exaile9] [05:48:47] ,poke BranManFloMizzle [05:48:48] * rBOTse pokes BranManFloMizzle with cases [05:49:15] What's up DNS. [05:49:26] Oh shit, what's up BranManFloMizzle? [05:49:27] nice musix [05:49:32] ;D [05:49:43] Just chilling, watching Family Guy. The usual. [05:49:46] Word. [05:49:57] What music DNS? [05:50:07] see above [05:50:09] :D [05:50:30] Is that... [05:50:32] Never mind. [05:50:43] From the Wake Up Album? [05:50:50] That's what I was thinking. [05:50:51] oh idk [05:50:51] LoL [05:51:01] * DNS is listening WeFunk radio again [05:51:09] * DNS 2is listening to 12fakin jax (deckstream remix) 2by 12i.n.i. feat. pete rock9 [10Exaile9] [05:51:40] Aneiren, I wished I replied to that thread earlier. [05:51:41] Wait [05:51:45] Are you talking to yourself? [05:51:57] No, that's my twin brother. [05:52:20] * BranManFloMizzle sees who's texting him. [05:52:25] ... [05:52:27] Weird [05:53:14] * BranManFloMore watches the Sealand video. [05:53:19] Rock ON! [05:53:32] You made any beats BranManFloMore? [05:53:45] Did you hear about the RBOSE video I did? [05:53:50] No. [05:53:56] Hold up. [05:54:05] I'll pm you. [05:54:10] Cool. [05:58:56] !idle [05:58:58] Our Idle King in #RBOSE is pettter... without any word since 204 hours and 8 minutes ^_^ [06:03:13] I replied Aneiren. [06:03:21] cool [06:03:24] heading over now [06:03:31] * BranManFloMore gets nervous. [06:03:47] *** Joins: Nanos (nanos.org.uk@RBOSE-8f096905.dyn.plus.net) [06:04:08] test [06:04:34] Hey Nanos [06:04:43] y0 [06:06:30] HI Nanos! [06:06:37] Check out the RBEF Fleet page! [06:06:44] Sealand is for sale! [06:06:48] Thats right near you! [06:06:57] 0_o [06:07:08] whole sealand is for sale? [06:07:11] hello nanos [06:08:08] Yeah [06:08:24] Its for "sale", except its really an exchange of sovereignty [06:08:42] So whoever buys it will become the "Prince of Sealand" [06:09:09] Hmmm.... [06:09:22] And coaches their soccer team too? [06:09:25] LoL [06:10:24] LOL [06:10:30] Nah, their finns [06:10:42] I don't think Sealand actually coaches them... nowhere to practice [06:11:13] Bummer. [06:13:25] its sounds a bit shizzle for the salizzin of sealandizzle i c a govermentizzle will takizzle allizzle overizzle fo the practizzle [06:13:46] 0_o [06:13:48] Nah [06:14:06] Its an old video.. I don't think its for sale anymore. [06:14:08] My Resumizzle: http://www.rbefoundation.com/grouptopic.php?f=128&t=2184&hilit=Resumizzle [06:14:10] URL Title: My Resumizzle (at www.rbefoundation.com) [06:14:18] LoL [06:14:55] I missed you man. [06:15:17] TZM was giving me a bunch of headaches, I had to take a break. [06:15:21] I hear that. [06:15:41] * BranManFloMizzle gets some ice tea. [06:16:26] I got banned from the Conspiracy Science forum, I think after I said something nice about TZM :-) [06:16:37] <-- has flu currently.. [06:16:54] Me too Nanos, shit hit me like a ton of bricks last night. [06:17:01] 0_o [06:17:03] *** Quits: yourdaddy (Billll@RBOSE-5b82841e.res.rr.com) (Client closed the connection) [06:17:08] Banned for saying something nice about TZM? [06:17:16] What's nice about TZM? [06:17:29] *** Joins: yourdaddy (Billll@RBOSE-5b82841e.res.rr.com) [06:20:55] Let me see if I can remember :-) [06:21:24] I found it rather amusing the the banned folk got upset because they didn't like me talking back tothem :-) [06:22:12] lol [06:24:40] http://conspiracyscience.com/forums/topic/dr-peter-joseph-merola-calls-cs-members-a-bunch-of-monkeys-who-throw-poop bottom of page is about the last thing I ever said there.. [06:24:41] URL Title: Dr. Peter Joseph Merola calls CS members a bunch of monkeys who throw poop! « Conspiracy Science (at conspiracyscience.com) [06:25:02] * BranManFloMore reads [06:25:03] You can see once someone turns on pictures/videos, some of them go even more childish.. [06:25:45] The only real trouble maker there is Matt, who could do with some moderation... or an ignore tool on the site, (whichsadly the admin said he would never add..) [06:26:23] And my last but one message here http://conspiracyscience.com/forums/topic/technocracy-why-should-i-care where you can see a short exchange between me and Matt.. [06:26:24] URL Title: Technocracy: Why should I care? « Conspiracy Science (at conspiracyscience.com) [06:26:57] Wanna see a cool diagram? [06:27:03] Its somewhat amusing that CS fall into the same moderation, or lack of issue as TZM. (eg. keep the abusive people, throw out the nice guys..) [06:27:03] It might help you Nanos [06:27:04] http://www.theprojectumbrella.org/Community_Organization [06:27:13] * Nanos looks [06:27:22] Pretty.. [06:28:06] Don't let the simplicity fool you... thats the product of several years of work [06:28:39] How is the president elected ? [06:29:00] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@A96332.5202BD.CE848A.693D94) [06:29:08] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@A96332.5202BD.CE848A.693D94) (Client closed the connection) [06:29:31] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@A96332.5202BD.CE848A.693D94) [06:29:44] Heh, don't look at that part plz [06:29:48] Its not finished yet [06:30:22] CS forums from time to time do have good debates, namely if they involve CyborgJesus or Domokato. [06:30:32] CS? [06:30:38] Conspiracy Science [06:31:05] Though Domokato can be found also on the NET/EOS forums too. [06:31:21] http://www.eoslife.eu/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=94 EOS/NET [06:31:22] URL Title: Recent Discussions - EOS Forum (at www.eoslife.eu) [06:31:50] I'm not aware where else CyborgJesus hangs out. (He is well off.) [06:32:02] Oh wow [06:32:13] I find his advice often useful. [06:36:20] He mentioned several online sites where one might possibly get teleworking jobs from for example. [06:36:54] Yeah, I saw some interesting comments from both of them on VTV's blog too. [06:37:01] Just watching this at the moment http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_XchYY3bnU&feature=player_embedded I see it mentions the Tata Nano low cost car! [06:37:02] You4Tube 2[Title] R.A. Mashelkar: Breakthrough designs for ultra-low-cost products 2[Category] Tech 2[Duration] 0:20:11 2[Views] 10244 2[Rating] 4.52 2[Uploaded] 2010-10-27 2[Description] http://www.ted.com Engineer RA Mashelkar shares three stories of ultra-low-cost design from India that use bottom-up rethinking, and some clever engineering, to bring expensive products (cars, prosthetics) into the realm of the possible for [06:38:41] I find it a bit amusing that as I live in a high Indian population community, we even have the odd rickshaw here (Though sadly only parked on the pavement outside a restraurant as they aren't road legal..), and here I am designing a 3 wheeled vehicle thats similar :-) [06:40:16] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhrGspR0yQo [06:40:17] You4Tube 2[Title] The Tiger Lillies - Bully Boys 2[Category] Music 2[Duration] 0:03:03 2[Views] 589255 2[Rating] 4.89 2[Uploaded] 2006-12-13 2[Description] The Tiger Lillies are a cult three-piece band, based in London. Their surreal style has been described as darkly humorous, Brechtian, gypsy cabaret. [06:41:03] In the UK, a new electric vehicle has just been announced http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/04/sinclair_x1/ [06:41:04] URL Title: Clive Sinclair unveils 'X-1' battery pedalo bubble-bike β€’ The Register (at www.theregister.co.uk) [06:41:20] I used to date a woman called Tiger Lilly :-) [06:41:40] i see that as a joke Nanos [06:41:53] Interesting listening to the comments section on what he got wrong with his design, I think mine addresses all of those issues. [06:42:02] Its not very good is it.. [06:42:07] there are quite more advanced technolgies of electric cars just not released [06:42:32] i wonder what with the tesla family car is [06:42:45] !g tesla family car [06:42:46] 300,000 results | Tesla unveils electric 'family car of the future' | Environment ... @ http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/mar/27/tesla-electric-cars-model-s | Images for tesla family car @ http://www.google.com/images?q=tesla+family+car | Tesla Motors: Affordable Electric Cars are Coming : TreeHugger @ http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/08/tesla_motors_ev.php [06:42:56] Mine will be somewhat low tech.. (lots of wood.) [06:43:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUWkX5HiLd8 video of Sinclair X-1 in use. [06:43:39] You4Tube 2[Title] Sir Clive Sinclair did it again! (X-1) 2010 2[Category] Autos 2[Duration] 0:01:24 2[Views] 939 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2010-11-04 2[Description] Exclusive! Surprise, surprise... Check out Sinclair Research latest innovation, the X-1 electric vehicle! Available July 2011. Presented in 2010, 25 years after the C5. http://www.sinclair-research.co.uk [06:45:41] *** Joins: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-faa6a759.cust.telenor.se) [06:45:43] Though I have been looking at magnetic gears, these might be low cost solutions. [06:46:04] http://www.magnomatics.com/technology/magnetic-gears.aspx [06:46:05] URL Title: Magnetic Gears | Technology | Magnomatics (at www.magnomatics.com) [06:47:44] Be nice to match old tech with new tech, kinda like this effort from the 1930's http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.php/aeromodding-1930s-38-mpg-70-mph-model-t-92.html [06:50:36] I've got about 4 months to get mine road worthy before funds run out here, since my girlfriends employer recently cut her pay. [06:50:52] Annoyingly with flu and builders here filling the front garden with rubbish doesn't help. [06:54:34] Also suffering a bed bug invasion, though the latest poison seems to have reduced their numbers a little.. [06:55:17] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatomaceous_earth#Pest_control this stuff, though its not so much a poison.. [06:55:19] URL Title: Diatomaceous earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) [06:55:40] Makes me think even more so about house design to combat pest infestitation issues! [06:56:56] I see we had mini riots in London yesterday.. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3222200/Top-cop-I-did-not-predict-a-riot.html [06:56:57] URL Title: Top cop: I (did not) predict a riot | The Sun |News (at www.thesun.co.uk) [06:57:37] Lets see, 50,000 students on a protest march and one didn't except violence.. [06:57:45] expect rather.. [06:58:05] hmmm... [06:58:24] No wonder the TZM UK forums was quiet.. :-) [06:58:46] Sadly an increasing number of people think breaking things will make things better. [06:59:15] What annoys me is, how come the 99% good students didn't citizen arrest the few trouble makers. [06:59:34] That's what I'd do if I was on a peaceful march. [06:59:53] Good point. [07:00:19] If they had done that, they would have got public support more and respect. [07:02:22] Trouble with the police is, they swing from heavy handed to softly softly too quickly, eg. someone dies, they go softly, then there is big trouble and they crack down again. [07:02:34] Reminds me of the 1980's when we had big riots here. [07:02:46] Riots in London? Thats cool [07:02:59] And here I am in small town america... oblivious to it all... [07:03:00] sigh [07:03:02] Not really, puts a dampner on shopping :-) [07:03:10] At least I got my own flak jacket for such days out.. [07:03:12] LOL [07:03:53] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmudJafnQh0 yesterday riots [07:03:54] You4Tube 2[Title] London Riot: Tory HQ smashed by British students 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 0:03:44 2[Views] 3888 2[Rating] 4.75 2[Uploaded] 2010-11-10 2[Description] Tens of thousands of students marched through London on Wednesday against plans to triple university tuition fees, and violence erupted as a minority battled police and trashed a building containing the headquarters of the governing Conservative Party. Orga [07:03:58] Too bad you can't pack any heat [07:04:05] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRj2K0ulD8Q 1980 riots London [07:04:06] You4Tube 2[Title] Poll Tax Riots London 1990 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 0:08:24 2[Views] 55681 2[Rating] 4.78 2[Uploaded] 2008-09-26 2[Description] Poll Tax Riots London march 1990 [07:04:20] Indeed. [07:05:17] Then the riots could have REALLY gotten fun, as the cops started shooting into the crowd indescriminately and the crowd started shooting back [07:06:07] Guns have that magical ability to make everyone feel invincible and more aggressive [07:06:10] Interestingly a very serious minded trouble maker turned himself around and now wants to get into politics to change things. (I met him at a TZM meeting in London, he left TZM incidently..) [07:06:47] Invite him over here [07:06:52] With rising unemployment, I see riots are more likely to happen, and with cuts in police budgets, evenmore of a problem. [07:06:58] Will do. [07:07:24] It won't happen in America [07:07:29] Talking to people who do riot is interesting, virtually none change their mind. [07:08:17] Its one of the issues I think RBE futures don't think about, what people do when theyhave time on their hands and are upset about something.. [07:08:21] In America our people are too brainwashed [07:08:32] I agree Nanos [07:08:42] Its the Utopian part that needs to be revised [07:08:45] What if in an RBE world people demand a car each and we cannot give it to them. [07:08:59] Reasonable concerns I can understand. [07:09:02] Indeed. [07:09:52] The problem is, the Utopian part is what most people involved WANT [07:10:10] They don't want to hear about the boring technical details or the rules they'll have to follow [07:10:20] They want technology to let them have their cake and eat it too [07:10:29] Incidently, I don't know if you are aware, but TZM is making somewhat progress in putting together a distributed computing team on BOINC [07:10:36] Indeed. [07:10:50] Whenever I mentioned ok, lets build it, most shy away.. [07:11:26] I would love to be able to come over to Britain, take hammer and shovel in hand, and get down to the nitty gritty of your community [07:11:29] I have joined their team (I don't think they can ban me from doing so!) [07:11:44] Thats encouraging to hear. [07:11:48] Ooh! Nab that good distributed computing stuff [07:12:10] TZMeffort means they do the least useful work,but they are at least putting a team together bless them :-) [07:12:22] Have WE put a team together? [07:12:27] ooo [07:12:34] anyone who thinks they can make the world a better place by going into politics is a fool [07:12:54] http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_team_graph.php?pr=bo&teamcpid=8aaf6d153561478625ce6a3d7455ac86 [07:12:55] URL Title: BOINCstats | BOINC combined - Team stats - Detailed statistics for The Zeitgeist Movement (at boincstats.com) [07:13:04] Grits: agreed [07:13:17] We could put a team together, though I'm not sure what project is actually useful! [07:13:38] Oh wait, yes Idid find a useful project! [07:13:50] Its a render one, so they coudluse it to help render the films they are working on. [07:13:57] hahaha [07:14:07] Hey, make it a thread in the forum [07:14:19] how nice of them to let people donate CPU cycles [07:14:32] to a project over which they have absolutely no control or input [07:14:38] A commerical project too.. [07:14:46] Rather amusing that they are helping out a company make profit! [07:14:55] shocker [07:15:35] Still, its nice to see them put together a team. (If they can just get PJ to mention it in his newsletter to all 400,000+ members..) [07:15:39] So wait, this isn't for making a distributed computing open source? [07:15:53] hahaha [07:15:57] I had mentioned it several times myself in the past, but no one seemed interested, so its nice to see Douglas able to get the ball rolling. [07:16:07] No.. [07:16:18] That would be a nice idea though! [07:16:40] I want to code in something like that into my own software at some point. [07:16:57] what software\ [07:17:02] http://burp.renderfarming.net [07:17:03] URL Title: BURP (at burp.renderfarming.net) [07:17:14] The forum software I'm coding. [07:17:24] hahaha [07:17:27] The URL was the distributed render one. [07:17:33] you want to integrate distributed computing into a forum? [07:17:38] Yep. [07:17:43] totally pointless [07:17:47] Why ? [07:17:54] nanos I could shoot a e-mail off to well over 400k people =P [07:17:59] If people are using the forum, theycould probably spare some cpu cycles. [07:18:00] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@A96332.5202BD.CE848A.693D94) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [07:18:37] spare some CPU cycles do to what [07:18:41] If PJ does that, it will be interesting to see if their BOINC team numbers go way up or not. [07:18:51] Resell :-) [07:19:11] 400k is newletetr subscribers and I'm pretty sure a lof of those are bots who subscribed since tanktop didn't even put in a captcha system [07:19:19] Perhaps free account holders must donate say 10% CPU time, paid for account holders don't have to. [07:19:34] donate CPU time to do what [07:19:40] Resell it. [07:19:52] to whom [07:19:57] Customers. [07:20:01] who is that [07:20:06] Dunno! [07:20:10] I see [07:20:31] so your plan is to get people to donate CPU cycles, to you, so you can sell them to people [07:20:32] There are companies that sell the service already. [07:20:47] Yep. [07:20:49] totally pointless [07:20:56] Why, if it makes money ? [07:20:56] Don't argue with Grits he's a Wanker [07:21:05] :-) [07:21:07] for one thing, because making money is pointless [07:21:21] Aneiren, eat my ass, troll [07:21:23] It helps pay to keep the servers going and staff for the forums. [07:21:33] We have already met a while ago. [07:21:40] If we ignore him he will go away [07:21:47] don't bet on it, chief [07:21:56] Doesn't matter once you use the ignore tool :-) [07:22:12] But he does often speak sense. [07:22:31] Its good to have opposing views on subjects. [07:22:44] sadly, Ignore doesn't work for me... [07:22:48] I dunno why [07:22:54] What client youusing ? [07:22:59] The webpage [07:23:03] Ah [07:23:20] A seperate client would probably offer a working ignore feature. [07:23:27] Probably [07:23:38] I use Pidgin but its not very good for this service, complicatedto get to work. [07:23:48] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@A96332.EDF977.0D440C.FB3FA0) [07:23:54] I wonder if I could get Trillian to work... hmm... [07:23:57] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@A96332.EDF977.0D440C.FB3FA0) (Client closed the connection) [07:24:51] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@A96332.EDF977.0D440C.FB3FA0) [07:25:25] trilian is a proprietary bitch [07:25:31] :| [07:25:42] OH [07:25:45] sad [07:25:50] I really like it [07:25:54] Pidgin is open source [07:25:57] nanos, opposing viewpoints are only useful if they have core meaningful logic and aren't interuptive. [07:26:14] in short the core problem is that this isn't merely opposing viewpoints, [07:26:19] Espically the way it references Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy [07:26:21] Grits often has meaningful logic. [07:26:22] its an oppositional and trollish nature... [07:26:30] so quit trolling, satyr [07:26:31] from somebody whos trapped inside of false dualisms [07:26:37] Imight disagree with himsometimes, but not always. [07:26:39] see if you can talk about something besides me for a while [07:26:49] We were [07:26:50] and who has serious ego needs that they can only feed by looking to make problems for others [07:26:52] Then you spoke up [07:26:54] go ahead [07:26:56] I'll wait [07:27:11] yes, cuz i have more to say [07:27:19] go ahead, what have you got [07:27:23] So Nanos... About this plan to Impliment the Distributed Computing [07:27:28] i think you sometimes probably have some kind of contributions which are valuable, grits. [07:27:33] get on with this meaningful conversation I so disrupted [07:27:36] I'll wait [07:27:43] its too bad that you end up mostly making an ass out of yourself and this chat. [07:27:46] talk about something besides me, if you can [07:27:46] Nanos? [07:27:51] Yep, I'm listening! [07:27:57] Distributed Computing? [07:27:57] no, its time to talk about you. [07:28:04] woot [07:28:05] Its like shouting over the wind... [07:28:11] Which plan, my own, TZM one ? [07:28:12] you have issues, and those issues make things complicated and hard for doing things here [07:28:17] speak for yourself [07:28:28] you know a lot more about yourself then you know about me, considering you know next to nothing about me [07:28:32] it makes it very diificult to have adult conversations with an oppositional ego freak always looking for a fight [07:28:33] and what you do know about me, I've told you [07:28:44] i know all i need to know about you and more than i'd care to [07:28:53] Nanos, I've started a private chat with you [07:28:57] but what i do know is that you aren't doing yourself or anybody else any favors [07:29:01] by being a prick here [07:29:07] sure I am [07:29:13] now maybe at TZM or some such they need that sort of thing [07:29:17] somebody to keep them honest [07:29:24] We need that here too.. [07:29:25] but this isn't really the place for it. [07:29:32] the place for what, exactly? [07:29:37] no nanos, we don't need that here. [07:29:52] the idea of this place should be collaboration. [07:29:55] I think we do, as long as we use the ignore feature when it becomes abusive, I don't see the problem really. [07:29:59] not picking fights for egotism [07:30:04] not wanking your ego off [07:30:12] let's just completely ignore for a moment you're talking about an imaginary version of me who simply contradicts anything anyone says to have an excuse to fight and pump up my ego [07:30:14] satyr please [07:30:15] that aside [07:30:19] and you're way off base on that [07:30:19] one moment [07:30:20] not being oppositional just because thats how you make yourself feel big since otherwise you feel so small. [07:30:21] but that aside [07:30:25] Stop arguing for a second! [07:30:26] let's say that was the case [07:30:28] i'm not way off on anything. [07:30:34] this is not hypothetical [07:30:40] if it is, you're wasting your time talking to me [07:30:44] your ass is on my wall and its going to get pinned there. [07:30:44] and only giving me exactly what I want [07:30:46] thanks [07:30:48] you're a hell of a guy [07:30:51] satyr! Please Knock it Off while I'm trying to talk to Nanos! [07:31:02] You have serious self esteem issues, and your way of coping with that is to go try to knock other people down. [07:31:03] to be so nice to this imaginary version of me [07:31:13] now eat my ass, troll [07:31:23] see if you can find something besides me to talk about [07:31:29] the core problem with this is you don't have anything for good ammo, aside from pathetic false dualisms and your own childish ad hominems. [07:31:37] apparently not [07:31:48] we can find better than that on tribe or something aweful, and thats where this crap you keep tossing out belongs [07:31:49] I have to say I admire your determination [07:31:56] misplaced though it is [07:31:57] Shouldn't we be complaining about Grits rather than Satyre :-) [07:32:15] in short, we do not need grits the monejy flinging pooh at everyone in here because hes too fucking lame and stupid to join in the adult conversation. [07:32:23] its not helpful, and its not called for [07:32:29] speak for yourself, shit-slinger [07:32:38] and perhaps most importantly grits, you could do better if you tried. [07:32:40] you've done nothing but try to slag me off for the last ten minutes [07:32:55] thats right. and it could go on for a while longer . [07:32:59] I'm not terribly interested in your assessment of my performance, satyr [07:33:16] yes you are. [07:33:19] I'm not convinced of your capacity to judge what's worthwhile and what is not [07:33:32] you are feebly attached to the ego trips you keep pulling in order to prop yourself up. [07:33:34] I think you're just taking stabs in the dark, really [07:33:47] you do this because you are weak minded, you attack and stab in the dark where you don't follow. [07:33:57] in short, your tactic is to keep the place as stupid as you are [07:34:08] you certainly aren't doing anything to change my mind [07:34:23] and you will do anything or say anything to dumb it down including attack people with meaningless gibberish and two dimensional dualisms. [07:34:32] speak for yourself [07:34:32] i'm not really here to change your mind. [07:34:44] I'm here to let you know in no uncertain terms that its not appreciated [07:34:45] This is why an ignore command is so useful.. [07:34:54] I don't really give a flying fuck what you appreciate [07:34:59] and that i can and will if the situation arises where i feel the urge slap you down into place. [07:35:09] you can tell me all you like that it doesn't hurt or that its no big deal [07:35:21] okay [07:35:27] thanks for the permission [07:35:28] but i know reality and know that the reason why you do this is because you have serious self esteem issues [07:35:36] it doesn't hurt and it's no big deal [07:36:03] speak for yourself [07:36:04] good, you keep telling yourself that. In the meantime, everybody knows the score, including you, no matter what you say. [07:36:18] i can and will speak for anybody whos got clarity. [07:36:19] the only "issues" here you're privy to are your own [07:36:36] let's see a show of hands who wants satyr to do their speaking for them [07:36:37] The issues here are simple. We are trying to have adult conversations you can't follow [07:36:58] rather than shut up and be present with whats actually going on, the moment things go over your head you go into attack mode [07:37:02] I guess there is nobody here with your clarity, satyr [07:37:12] thats pathetic, and it puts a stopper and an obstacle in the way of doing any work,. [07:37:16] you aren't capable of uttering sense that's over my head, satyr [07:37:22] lol [07:37:38] thats why you blither on about insane false dualisms then right? [07:37:44] because you have it all figured out? [07:37:46] please. [07:37:53] there's nothing false about the dichotomy between atheism and theism [07:38:03] you know and i know that the reason why you jump in with bs is it goes places you can't follow [07:38:04] the two states are mutually exclusive and binary [07:38:05] * Nanos shows hand.. [07:38:21] okay Nanos gives you permission to speak for him [07:38:28] so says a trapped and unclued fool who has no clue what hes talking about [07:38:36] but lets take that example up shall we? [07:38:50] if the actual true point of sanity is actual access to waking theta conditions [07:38:58] whatever that means [07:39:07] and both christianity and atheism operate psychologically to prevent access to waking theta conditions [07:39:11] along exactly the same lines [07:39:13] ahh I see [07:39:18] waking theta conditions, of course [07:39:25] it all makes perfect sense now [07:39:25] then atheism can be shown to be the same set of mental cages that christianity created [07:39:33] and in fact in cases like yours thats all it is. [07:39:34] atheism is lack of religious delusion [07:39:42] your nothing but a christian rebel without a clue. [07:39:45] either atheism is wrong or theism is wrong, they can't both be wrong [07:39:53] neither can they both be right [07:39:53] an emebrassment to real atheists. [07:39:55] it's called a binary state [07:40:01] you can not be both dead and alive [07:40:11] death is not merely another version of life [07:40:24] you have no clue what is real and you think that there is a dualism there when in fact atheism as you think about it is nothing more than an unchristian denomination. [07:40:30] it's a dichotomy and it's rigidly imposed by the laws of physics [07:40:46] those dualities are amusing but they have no allegorical bearing on this. [07:41:06] satyr: im not sure what his should mean? if i am an atheist then i dont believe in a god or in any religious tradition, so in which way atheism could be generalized like christianity? [07:41:16] his=this [07:41:17] no, and for you to claim that it is imjposed by the laws of physics only proves that you are ignorant about the laws of physics. [07:41:29] DNS, glad you comments [07:41:41] do you have access to waking theta conditions? yes or no? [07:41:47] death and life are ruled by physics, unsurprisingly [07:41:50] if you don't, why not? [07:42:16] why i need any books to read about that, if atheism is believe in nothin lol [07:42:38] the answer to that would be that you live i na culture which has very effectively caged people in beta brainwave conditions. atheism is only another aspect of that cage and a false dualism which traps people into a christianity-atheism loop [07:42:54] those are not mutually exclusive, they are not opposites, they are simply versions of each other. [07:43:09] lol [07:43:18] in fact most christians are some form of atheist in that they know on a deeper level that its all make believe. [07:43:19] So you favor agnosticism? [07:43:30] believing in nothing is not the point. [07:43:35] thats besides the point. [07:43:48] belief system is irrelevant. the only thing that is important is the outcome. [07:43:55] i think you can not generalize atheism [07:44:08] this means generalizin ppl who dont believe in god [07:44:20] how you can do that? by a book? [07:44:27] if you have no access to waking theta conditions because you picked to disbeleive in christianity that is merely the opposite mental trap of the one that they normally use. [07:44:59] well, no, books won't help much because books are written to keep us in the cage. [07:45:16] everything we think is some sort of escape from that matrix is pretty much just another means to control. [07:45:33] the only way out is through science or shamanism and in most senses some combination of both. [07:45:53] shamanism? [07:45:56] 0_o [07:46:16] Real science does not dwell on belief systems and real paradigmology recognizes as science fact that western atheism is a denomination of christianity. not an opposite- a predictable outcome of rebelion. [07:46:40] * DNS puts a feather in satyr's hair [07:46:44] :x [07:46:48] lol [07:46:52] thats cute. [07:48:09] http://isisamor.be/TRUTH/Dualism.html [07:48:13] URL Title: ISIS Amor (at isisamor.be) [07:48:38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma [07:48:39] URL Title: False dilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) [07:48:55] the real choice is not between believing and disbelieving. disbeleiving is only believing inverted. [07:49:05] the real choice is between working and being lazy; [07:49:16] between finding our way out of the mental cages or not. [07:50:05] the idea that atheists have that they are somehow an opposite to christianity is amusing, its funny, its cute, but it has no intrinsic value. Its a false dillema and its a mental cage that allows them to also not actually access waking theta conditions. [07:50:36] more importantly, exactly and specifically, the psychological trappings and processes and etc that make that happen are the same and identical between christianity and atheism. [07:50:58] y0 we dont need a new religion [07:51:10] we need a free society [07:51:14] ;D [07:51:16] so if you have two paradigms, and one has 1001 axioms 950 of which are false and the other which has 50 axioms, half of which are false and they actually share between them all 50 of those axioms... [07:51:20] what do you have? [07:51:32] 777 [07:51:34] i agree, we don't need a new religion. [07:51:38] :P [07:51:47] atheism is just a "new" religion of "non religiousity." [07:52:03] maybe some guys makes it out of it [07:52:11] *make [07:52:37] we can all make it out , but the first thing to get lucid is that dogmatic systems are not a way out they are just another way to keep us in. [07:53:06] switching out dogmatic systems for other dogmatic systems is not choosing an opposite, its choosing diet sprite instead of cherry pepsi. [07:53:34] fine, there are no dark colors and fine, there are a lot less calories. but its fizzy carbonated soda either way. [07:54:13] but satyr is atheism dogmatic? [07:54:22] 0_o [07:54:26] Now, this is only one example of the fine dualistic thinking we get to have tossed at us like pooh when we come in here and find grits needing his ego fix. [07:54:31] like a crack whore. [07:54:38] lol [07:54:46] I worship Dr. Peter Joseph Merola and Jaque Fresco! [07:54:48] no, i am formal conversational logic non dogmatic. [07:55:00] watch the dvds! [07:55:02] yeah, sure you do biiil... i mean grits. [07:55:11] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@A96332.EDF977.0D440C.FB3FA0) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [07:55:26] satyr don't make me puntch the rest of your teeth out now [07:55:43] wo0t [07:55:53] Wowzers [07:55:56] the alternative away from dogmatic ideological systems is science and formal logic. Not disbeliving, not atheism, but actual knowledge and access to altered states. [07:56:05] lol [07:56:23] *** Quits: Aneiren (qwebirc@RBOSE-41e1e313.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net) (Quit: Page closed) [07:56:31] * Nanos wanders back in for a moment. [07:56:34] right biil. somehow thats a pretty empty threat especially considering my skills in martial arts. [07:57:06] * Nanos watches the male bonding happening before his eyes :-) [07:57:11] lol [07:57:25] o boy I didn't know you could out wit a M-16 we'll have to put that to a test sometime [07:57:25] =P [07:57:49] erm [07:57:56] lol [07:57:58] right, that makes lots of sense biil, considering that you started with punching. [07:58:04] whats goin on :D [07:58:19] * Nanos wonders what satyr wants to talk about. [07:58:27] ah. [07:58:32] interesting questions. [07:58:39] * BranManFloMore burps [07:58:42] * Nanos ponders a few questions.. [07:58:45] hi bran. [07:58:54] satyr you know martial arts logically I know how to shoot a gun [07:58:55] =P [07:58:57] the floor is now open for questions. [07:59:06] How do you increase active number of users on a forum ? [07:59:06] Hmmm.... [07:59:10] thats not a question. BZZT. [07:59:34] by predictin that you can see in the future [07:59:39] nanos, by actually investing time and energy int othe participation tracks and then going on the net and posting links to them where appropriate [07:59:45] Tried that.. [07:59:53] lol [08:00:02] no, nobodies put any time into participation tracks but me. [08:00:05] i was jk [08:00:14] satyr I don't think punching out all your teeth would get me a lot of money anyways not much to start with that is [08:00:15] =P [08:00:22] Posting links about RBEF in hate TZM blogs work. [08:00:31] That's how I decided to join RBEF. [08:00:34] :) [08:00:43] Why didn't you join my forums :-) [08:00:55] there you go. so we know that it can work, now we just need to make a science of it. [08:00:55] I did chat their once. [08:01:00] I might join. [08:01:01] :) [08:01:03] No seriously.. its a valid question, what made you decide one over the other ? [08:01:25] me personally nanos, focus and activity level. [08:01:39] I guage it all by whether or not it looks promising to save the humans by. [08:01:45] So if more was happening, you think more people would join ? [08:01:54] this is a different criteria than most people use as most people are looking to get entertained. [08:02:04] I wonder, once I've built my vehicle and driving it, would people more come to the forum ? [08:02:12] I can be entertaining.. [08:02:33] If you record yourself driving your vehicle and put it on YOUTUBE, I would think so. [08:02:34] yes, probably if more was happening more people would join but its also a matter of making sure that quality is good as well its both a quality and quantity problem. [08:02:52] I think so too, guess I'll find out at some point! [08:03:13] Ant for example is working on a reprap, but no one but me visited his forum.. [08:03:24] But then, he doesn't have pictures of it.. [08:03:30] it all comes down to the same principle. You need to create targeted advertising to the groups of people to whom that might be interesting and then link the net to that advertising. [08:03:33] Nanos I thought the solar bike horn project was interesting :) [08:03:40] You would think though that everyone would be on his site because of that. [08:03:45] * Nanos smiles @ Bill [08:03:56] that damn Matt I say lol [08:03:57] It saves me having to recharge it at least.. [08:04:24] I thought I had targetted the right people.. (I'm in 2,000 forums, so its not like I don't get around..) [08:04:25] nanos I thought the CS ban on you was left field i couldn't of seen that a mile away [08:04:26] =P [08:04:39] Likewise I was a bit suprised myself. [08:04:42] Nanos, you can ask Xzibit to pimp your ride: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVYTOsQL_kk [08:04:43] You4Tube 2[Title] Pimp My Ride: Xzibit Have Fun [Part 1] 2[Category] Entertainment 2[Duration] 0:02:20 2[Views] 85814 2[Rating] 4.98 2[Uploaded] 2010-01-26 2[Description] Pimp my Ride: Xzibit Have Fun. A collection of Xzibit's funniest moments in the MTV program Pimp My Ride [08:04:56] Imagine how many views you would get. [08:04:57] :) [08:04:58] *** Joins: faresz (qwebirc@RBOSE-49ecfcd1.catv.broadband.hu) [08:05:08] Youtube does seem a popular way to get attention. [08:05:19] I was suprised how many hits I got for just a few videos I did put up. [08:05:34] well usually special ed goes by consensus on the CS site I imagine him and Matt and a few others wantd the ban [08:05:59] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzOWN9TBY34 for this one with no keywords and similar video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNT8I2KaOEY 55,000 views. [08:06:00] You4Tube 2[Title] Dome home 2[Category] Entertainment 2[Duration] 0:00:30 2[Views] 1308 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2008-03-21 2[Description] 2nd attempt, this time in colour and done to scale, dome is 50ft wide, window is 20ft wide and 10ft tall, ceilings are around 10ft. [08:06:11] yep, isn't consensus wonderful eh :-) [08:06:13] this is particpation tracks on wiki. if nanos you want to get people to your site via a car, you;d follow the same basic principle. [08:06:16] http://rbefoundation.com/viewgroup.php?f=118 [08:06:18] URL Title: Introduction to RBEF organization (at rbefoundation.com) [08:06:49] sorry, i meant on the forum [08:06:52] Thats part of the reason why another planned project is to do a weekly SF soap staring me and my girlfriend to put on youtube. [08:07:08] Sex sells [08:07:12] Word. [08:07:15] that will ge tthe female crowd interested if you do it well. [08:07:20] More science fiction than sex fiction.. [08:07:26] Wet T-Shirt contests might work Nanos. [08:07:27] *** Joins: erik (erik@RBOSE-d612fe3a.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [08:07:29] lol [08:07:37] Have to put in that scene.. [08:07:51] I was thinking the other day, watching Star Trek, no fat people there.. [08:07:55] Whilst real life, has fat people.. [08:08:04] Obama girl had Obama girl, TZM has Brandy. [08:08:06] So, rather when wait to film when I am slim, film now whilst we are fat! [08:08:10] * BranManFloMore laughs [08:08:16] Then running away from aliens will be a short experience.. [08:08:40] I thought to film it in B&W too. [08:08:52] yep, isn't consensus wonderful eh :-) <--- yup lol [08:08:58] Obama had Obama girl* [08:09:14] Nanos: I thought to film it in B&W too. <--- That could work. [08:09:42] I thought the special efforts would be easier that way too.. [08:09:48] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIiMa2Fe-ZQ [08:09:49] You4Tube 2[Title] Super Obama Girl! 2[Category] Shows 2[Duration] 0:01:30 2[Views] 30257362 2[Rating] 3.16 2[Uploaded] 2008-02-01 2[Description] Do Super Obama Girl a favor! Subscribe above!!! And then check out our 5 new videos this weekend! Check out www.cafepress.com/barelypolitical Super Obama Girl is... Directed and Edited by Tom Small. Starring Amber Lee Ettinger. Vocals by Leah Kauffman. Music by Jake Chudnow: h [08:09:49] And lower bandwidth requirments to watch it. [08:10:08] What do you think to the idea of it being a weekly soap ? (Might only be 3 minutes long to start with..) [08:10:31] Also, I thought B&W might give it a slight retro feel and make it appear more serious SF [08:11:02] I like SF myself, and so does my girlfriend, and there is a lack of decent SF on TV at the moment.. [08:11:25] again back to tv. [08:11:27] I thought a show might get bums on seats so to speak. [08:11:42] well, its back to the dark side. [08:12:01] giving your attention over to something instead of making it happen for yourself. [08:12:35] we only have tv and computers and cell phones to duplicate the functionality our brains already have without doing the work. [08:12:46] externalization. [08:13:14] Science fiction is particularly lame in human culture. [08:13:38] yeah that's why satry watches anime it's much more realistic [08:13:38] :D [08:13:44] its stuck in some sort of imagination short fall where the furthest anybody can imagine us getting to is about 200 years from now. [08:13:48] I thought I could spare every Saturday morning to filming/etc. [08:14:17] Also something my SO can get herself involved in that she might enjoy. [08:14:25] i keep waiting for some science fiction to seriously explore the implications of technological singularities and basement universes- for instance. [08:14:57] or even back to waking theta conditions... the technological applications of which are larger than most people can imagine. [08:15:53] * Nanos wonders what waking theta conditions are.. [08:16:30] I want one thats based more firmly in realistic physics, StarGate was quite nice for that. [08:16:34] i keep waiting for some science fiction to seriously explore the implications of technological singularities and basement universes- for instance. <-- speaking of basements how's your bedroom doing? [08:16:55] I'm less keen on magical solutions. [08:17:08] Battlestar Galactica was quite nice like that, quite gritty. [08:17:31] At the moment, I@m toying with the idea that the main characters in my series will be a homeless couple.. [08:17:55] it might be better to frame it as being merely nomadic lifestyle. [08:18:09] more drama opportunities also that way. [08:18:21] That would a gypsy in the UK, hardly likely to get much sympathy if you do a show about those kind of people! [08:18:24] in case anybody thinks i'm just making things up... [08:18:44] Trouble is, we can't travel far from where we live at the moment.. [08:18:47] http://web-us.com/brainwavesfunction.htm http://www.formulaformiracles.net/brain-waves.html http://4mind4life.com/blog/2008/04/04/theta-brain-waves/ [08:18:48] URL Title: Brain wave Functions Alpha Beta Theta Brainwaves (at web-us.com) [08:18:59] *** Joins: Peter (qwebirc@RBOSE-aacd56e3.res.rr.com) [08:19:14] you don't need to travel far, unless they live in your city nobody will know you haven't traveled more than 5 blocks. [08:19:18] *** Quits: Peter (qwebirc@RBOSE-aacd56e3.res.rr.com) (Quit: Page closed) [08:19:20] I was wondering in particular what the Theta bit was ? [08:19:26] *** Joins: Peter_Merola (qwebirc@RBOSE-aacd56e3.res.rr.com) [08:19:36] Thats the hope at least :-) [08:19:51] the theta bit.... [08:20:08] its quite a bit of dense loaded information i put out there... [08:20:40] but in brief theta is the brain wave level at which we dream, heal, are most creative, and in which all of the "psychic" phenomenon occur. [08:21:50] the third link is most useful to understand the "why bother" question and answer and lists the benefits of increased theta wave access. [08:22:16] hi [08:22:20] Interesting. [08:22:33] Hi there PJ, hows things going ? [08:22:44] Given an understanding of whats really going on from a truly lucid perspective then, we can show that atheism is just one more way for the manipulators of the masses to keep us from accessing theta. [08:23:07] Do you get a simlar effect from mediation ? [08:23:16] thats not universally true and even i am best described as an atheist... [08:23:21] It's good nanos [08:23:35] life is great, making my next movie right now [08:23:47] well yes and no it depends o nthe quality of the meditation. For the most part anything you can find out there will only get you to increased alpha waves. [08:24:01] hi grits. [08:24:39] There are just a few good ways to get into waking theta,... [08:25:08] but the big thing thats important to understand is that the ego and id in most people are involved in an internal conflict which prevents access even to waking alpha states. [08:25:08] theta is Scientology BS [08:25:17] so what you really have to do is make peace with yourself... [08:25:26] one brodmans area at a time. [08:25:53] no, scientology has no clue and diaboloizes theta and in any case personifies it as "thetans". [08:26:06] this is science fact and i am a scientist. [08:26:17] theta and thetans are the same thind [08:26:19] thing* [08:26:56] no, theta is brainaves and thetans are a made up element of a scam- something which you as grits or you as pj should be well aware of. [08:26:59] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thetan [08:27:00] URL Title: Thetan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) [08:27:12] did he miss the other bit? [08:27:14] dude it's bullshit [08:27:17] http://web-us.com/brainwavesfunction.htm http://www.formulaformiracles.net/brain-waves.html http://4mind4life.com/blog/2008/04/04/theta-brain-waves/ [08:27:18] URL Title: Brain wave Functions Alpha Beta Theta Brainwaves (at web-us.com) [08:27:21] Does the next movie include anything about building communities ? [08:27:22] Theta and thetan are both the same [08:27:42] Hmmm.... [08:27:46] your websites are complete pseudoscience [08:27:50] grits, your bullshit, and one more time you are bringing up ignorant and irrelevant material which you are merely projecting in your ignorance. [08:27:55] In Scientology, the concept of thetan (pronounced /ˈθeΙͺtΙ™n/ THAY-tΙ™n) is similar to the concept of spirit or soul found in other belief systems. The term is derived from the Greek letter theta, which in Scientology represents "the source of life, or life itself."[1] In Scientology the Thetan is believed to command the body through communication points.[2] [08:28:00] you are unclued, and you don't know what you are talking about. [08:28:07] Theta and Thetan are one in the same [08:28:11] I've worked on my alpha state before, I think its helped me to be more focused. [08:28:23] no, theta is from science, thetans is a rip off in scientology. [08:28:45] electro ensphalography. [08:28:49] no theta is thetan [08:29:17] * Nanos notices as PJ doesn't answer the community building question.. [08:29:19] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroencephalography [08:29:20] URL Title: Electroencephalography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) [08:29:27] * Nanos doesn't see Grits about.. [08:29:31] this is hard science. You are talking about something else. [08:30:01] satry no theta and thetan are one in the same [08:30:03] * Nanos makes notes on interesting Theta thingy. [08:30:17] nanos, you can't tell this is grits? come on? [08:30:19] *** Joins: DarkDancer (qwebirc@RBOSE-5eee5520.res.rr.com) [08:30:22] Oh, I've always wanted to ask this, do you pay the rent or does your brother ? [08:30:24] lol [08:30:29] it just never ends. [08:30:41] lol [08:30:47] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernatural_abilities_in_Scientology_doctrine#Theta_perceptics [08:30:48] URL Title: Supernatural abilities in Scientology doctrine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) [08:30:50] i think pj pays rent. [08:30:51] I dunno, they seem perfectly non-abusive to me, so can't be grits :-) [08:30:56] Scientology promises the ability to hone one's "theta perceptics" (senses of the thetan rather than the physical "meat body") and promises "Communication with the theta universe" with enhanced 'perceptics' such as: [08:31:03] Peter, do you need help? I can make things fruitful in here since RBOSE is always sour. [08:31:06] So his brother mouches off of him then ? [08:31:20] Hey Gilbert. [08:31:20] *** DarkDancer is now known as Guest51174 [08:31:30] *** Quits: Guest51174 (qwebirc@RBOSE-5eee5520.res.rr.com) (Quit: Page closed) [08:31:35] I think it would make sense if PJ raised funds and paid for a place, rather than paid rent. [08:31:40] hard to say, but i think PJ is probably the mooch in that he probably makes his bro clean up after him and eats his food. [08:31:41] Darkdancer I need something sucked u can help like you always do [08:31:59] oh boy, sock puppet theater. [08:32:01] Thats what family is for to share the burden :-) [08:32:15] * Nanos wonders who pretends to be me when I@m not around.. [08:32:27] well, obvious isn't it? [08:32:30] I wonder if VTV rents or owns his own place ? [08:32:39] whos got the mental age that they'd find that amusing? [08:32:55] nanos I think he said he owns but I am doubtful on that [08:32:55] Do we all rent or mortgage here ? [08:32:58] vtv as i understand it rents out a room in his place. [08:33:21] *** Joins: DickDancer (qwebirc@RBOSE-5eee5520.res.rr.com) [08:33:21] anyhow... [08:33:27] satyr he rents out a few rooms in his place [08:33:31] I'm doubtful too, but good if he does! [08:33:38] Yes, he is an evil landlord! [08:33:46] nanos didn' VTV say he had rented out to something lik 3 or 4 people at a time? [08:33:46] Who wants to see me do the Salsa? [08:33:54] Amusing that TZMmembers are donating to a 'rich' landlord.. [08:33:54] so how easy is it to hold 5 windows open here? [08:33:59] WTF [08:34:00] DNS? [08:34:03] Yes, I think 3 or so. [08:34:11] Depends on how big your screen is.. [08:34:20] I want to see the sala dance in private dickdancer [08:34:21] i have big screen. [08:34:25] I was looking at a nice 2nd hand 24" sony monitor, only no way to transport it home! [08:34:37] Shut up Brandon, cha cha cha. [08:34:39] 200 miles away it is.. [08:34:50] Wow, the mental abuse gets started tonight. [08:34:51] LoL [08:35:08] nanos you think VTV needs the money or is he trying to milk the cow so to say? [08:35:14] If only PJ let VTV style, being alandlord to be offical policy, it would help TZM no end to get people out of paying rent and instead helping each other with accomidation. [08:35:15] well, i let grits have it so hard that hes resorted to sock puppet theater and is breaking down with MPD. [08:35:30] cognitive dissinance was eating him up. [08:35:36] I reckon he probably needs the money, but some transparency aka bills/receits would help.. [08:35:37] I live with VTV rent free as long as I do the cha cha everyday for him. [08:35:43] But he always gets so upset whenever I mentioned bills.. [08:36:08] nanos what do you mean by upset? [08:36:20] He gets defensive, as if I've insulted him by asking! [08:36:35] satyr, you're only bitter because I can do the cha cha. [08:36:35] Well, he actually says 'I'm insulted.'... which is a bit of a giveraway :-) [08:36:35] like the fact of brining up at utilities he gets upset? [08:36:38] LIke, don't you trust me! [08:36:43] thats his chronic habit, hes easily offended because hes got low self esteem. [08:36:46] To which I answer, no I don't.. [08:36:56] lol [08:36:58] Which is why receits are so useful in shutting people up. [08:37:06] Then its a non-issue. [08:37:10] makes sense [08:37:17] But, no receits, and people get, well suspicous.. [08:37:20] I don't trust vtv [08:37:37] Either I think he is lying, or he is a bit stupid.. [08:37:41] i'd imagine its hard to trust anybody else when you are yourself a chronic liar ... [08:37:42] It could be bother of course :-) [08:37:46] I don't anyone that sucks a salsa, right Peter_Merola? [08:37:48] both rather. [08:37:50] I think the later but maybe a bit of both to be honest [08:37:54] heh [08:37:58] LoL [08:38:00] But I've said to him, if you lied in the past, just stop doing it now and be honest. [08:38:05] right :) [08:38:19] He can show us his latest bills and we can forget about the past. [08:38:33] i don't think its voluntary, VTV is a compulsive liar he even lies when it doesn't matter. [08:38:36] *** Joins: Matt (qwebirc@RBOSE-aacd56e3.res.rr.com) [08:38:45] As the international coordinator of TZM, I can do the cha cha anytime I want. [08:38:57] That's great to know Gilbert. [08:39:08] I can't say I@ve seen him lie in particular. [08:39:23] Transparecny when it comes to finances is a good thing though, in any organisation. [08:39:28] Level 3 trolls without no dancing skills is all I see here. [08:39:34] for a guy whos brilliant most of the time nanos, you can be slow on the uptake like that. [08:39:37] I wonder if they will invent a type 4 :-) [08:39:38] I was attmepting to get unbanned and vtv mentioned that I said on a third party site that I was gonig to call child services on him [08:40:00] the thing is I did mean what I said so I don't see a problem or any barring as to why I shouldn't be unbanned [08:40:00] Indeed yes satyr, which is why I value input from others to help me grasp things better. [08:40:22] VTV is very fruitful to his children, there's no need to do that Billll. Did I mention I do the cha cha? [08:40:23] lets put bill up to it. Bill. We found a use for your skills, we want them to invent a class 4. get to it. [08:40:41] Hard to tell someone doesn't mean what they say.. [08:40:57] its actually easy if you know what to look for. [08:41:04] they teach lie detection skills ... [08:41:13] you can read up about it .. [08:42:07] VTV really should rent to TZM folk, with jobs. [08:42:18] nanos sounds like a plan [08:42:19] lol [08:42:19] Though I suppose then it would be an community.. [08:42:29] And PJ is against those offically.. [08:42:29] http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Lie_Detection_-_Trapping_A_Liar.html [08:42:31] URL Title: Lie Detection - Trapping A Liar (at www.selfgrowth.com) [08:42:38] Rent for me is free, because I'm a global moderator. [08:42:41] http://www.google.com/search?q=lie+detection+skills&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a [08:42:41] satyr's URL: http://tinyurl.com/2at622q [08:42:41] URL Title: lie detection skills - SΓΆk pΓ₯ Google (at www.google.com) [08:42:43] But its ok to rent to non-TZM members. [08:42:51] LoL [08:43:09] of course maybe non tzm members pay more money [08:43:12] =P [08:43:13] I just wish PJ would make that step and say its offical policy to build communities for people to wait for RBE. [08:43:14] Stop it BranManFloMizzle, I'm a global moderator, not you. [08:43:32] Shut up Gilbert. [08:43:35] Otherwise, all that money TZM members spend on rent and mortages is wasted.. [08:43:36] LoL [08:43:36] ironic, its true, funny that pj is against communities...kind of tells us the real truth right there. [08:43:47] Yes, when he lives in one with his brother! [08:44:00] well PJ isn't agianst promoting his conspriacy theory movies [08:44:02] I think, offhand he is against it, because Fresco is against it. [08:44:07] I HATE NANOS! [08:44:12] We know :-) [08:44:19] why? [08:44:22] * Nanos makes use of ignore tool.. [08:44:35] I think Fresco is against it because he tried and it didn't work out. [08:44:36] TZM, your opinions mean nothing because we are global moderators and we give global bans. There is no better salsa dancer than me, so everyone has to obey me. [08:44:44] FUCK U NANOS GO AWAY WE HATE YOU! [08:44:44] *** Billll was kicked by RBOSE (Turn caps lock OFF!) [08:44:44] *** Joins: Billll (Billll@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) [08:44:53] But, as there have been successful communities built by others, I see no reason why Fresco's experience should mean no offical community building efforts. [08:44:55] LoL [08:44:57] lol [08:45:04] lol @ Billl [08:45:12] i SO BLEW MY COVER [08:45:13] lol [08:45:34] * BranManFloMore laughs [08:45:35] I should invite Matt here one day [08:45:42] If only Fresco would tell us more why his efforts didn't work we might learn what went wrong. [08:45:43] well the rason is obvious, if people build communities they might get strong ideas of personal or communal authority. They don't want anybody to get psychologically strong via community because that weakens their hold. [08:45:54] i'm floored sometimes that people can't see this stuff. [08:46:02] Thats a possibility, but I think its maybe too advanced a thought offhand. [08:46:15] I think its more down to stupidity than design. [08:46:17] nanos die! [08:46:17] The rason satyr? [08:46:29] nobodies THAT stupid. [08:46:34] Only if you could do the salsa, you would have some friends like me. [08:46:40] Local chapters help develop that I notice. [08:46:42] That's why we global banned you. [08:46:53] I've worked in government, bellieve me, people are even more stupid than that! [08:46:55] NANOS I HATE U! [08:47:24] lol [08:47:26] Measure a lift in inches, order it in cm's.. what a laugh! [08:47:30] the only freinds you have dick bill and grits are the ones in your head and thats why theres 3 of you. And probably matt 2. Thats 4. How many others? [08:47:59] occams razor nanos. [08:48:04] indeed. [08:48:04] satyr about as many as the amount of teeth you have in your mouth [08:48:06] the simplest explnation is usually right. [08:48:11] Agreed. [08:48:35] Sadly I don't see TZM doing much practically beyond what VTV is doing. [08:48:43] in this case its quite obvious that TZM does everything in its power to keep people disempowered and hooked, and that it disaproves of community because there could then be a power struggle. [08:48:56] Though their recent direction in the distributed computing area is interesting, will see if that pans out into anything. [08:49:00] nanos vtv isn't doing much though [08:49:09] Sadly, I don't see anyone becoming a better Salsa dancer then me. Cha cha cha!!! [08:49:11] they won't ever do anything practical its merely a con game and a capitalist enterprise . [08:49:22] He is trying to get paid by TZM members to work for them so to speak, aka he's got a job! [08:49:51] right, no. hes got a position as a paid parasite; that does not equal a job. [08:49:52] Perhaps it does that on purpose. [08:50:08] Well, its not a real job, but to him, it brings in the money. [08:50:09] nanos through donation you mean, and yeah I can see that but it will fall though to be honest [08:50:13] I'd like to see him with a real job myself. [08:50:22] One day the money will dry up.. [08:50:32] i'd like to seem him grow an ethos. [08:50:34] Peter pays me to do the salsa dance and I will be getting paid more when I give my 2nd stuttering speech in ZDAY 2011. Cha Cha Cha!!! [08:50:42] I had hoped he might work in solar powering Fresco's and others homes. [08:50:59] I must chat to him about that again some time. [08:51:10] well.. good night. [08:51:12] Though, I think PJ is going to mention something about that kind of thing in his next radio show. [08:51:23] err.. [08:51:28] VTV is too busy, he's learning how to dance to some salsa music I gave him. [08:51:29] nanos same here I'd like vtv to get a real job so you can pay the property taxes for his trailer home, insurance for his car, good health care benifits, and to take care of his kid [08:51:38] His last one was a bit of a teaser like that.. only mentioning at th eend he didn't have time to cover that subject! [08:52:01] Indeed, and as such, I would help him to get a job, in fact, all TZM folk could benefit from jobs.. [08:52:06] *** Joins: Absalom (Absalom@RBOSE-96a728da.lavasoft.com) [08:52:21] nanos everybody could benifit from a job lol [08:52:28] *** Quits: Matt (qwebirc@RBOSE-aacd56e3.res.rr.com) (Quit: Page closed) [08:52:43] *** Joins: Billlll (qwebirc@RBOSE-aacd56e3.res.rr.com) [08:52:43] Yes, but whenever I mentioned that on Z related forums everyone would give me the evil eye.. [08:52:55] I give Salsa lesson and get paid that way. It's so fruitful. [08:53:05] LoL [08:53:12] Nanos that's because they do not like working [08:53:19] unless they don't have to work ike vtv [08:53:19] I'm still waiting to be banned as I mentioned jobs just the other day again.. [08:53:22] like* [08:53:22] Indeed.. [08:53:33] In my local chapter site that is. [08:53:37] nanos on the TZm forum? [08:53:40] I've had 2 warnings already. [08:53:44] UK site [08:53:44] wow [08:53:52] One for mentioning micro finance site.. [08:54:00] One for swearing.. [08:54:08] nanos I don't mind you to be honest I can't see how you get banned so often [08:54:14] I told someone to go and fuck themselves. [08:54:19] haha [08:54:20] I'm only banned in about 6 forums out of 2,000 [08:54:39] I rarely swear on forums like that, but the person was being such a dick I couldn't help myself! [08:54:44] nanos your banned on two sites I was on one being tzm second being CS [08:55:15] I think the most you bothered me on is being a holocaust denier [08:55:20] I'm only danced in about 6 clubs with 2,000 big chicks, I'm very good doing the salsa. [08:55:35] * BranManFloMore laughs [08:55:43] Ah yes, whenever anyone questions the facts, one is labelled a denier, rather than a history boff looking for more accurate figures.. [08:55:57] indeed [08:56:04] I suppose we best stay away from that topic [08:56:14] we already scared away one neonazi from rbose so far [08:56:29] The subject didn't really interest me until I was working in historical documents and saw for myself the evidence first hand and it made me wonder more about the subject. [08:56:31] lol [08:56:39] I think we have thrashed it out well enough elsewhere. [08:57:09] if Matt was here he would call you a liar [08:57:14] but I on the other hand will... [08:57:16] Its related to TZM in that PR spin can change the facts. [08:57:17] * Billll nod [08:57:57] I notice for example how when sometimes I bump into TZM members who dont' know me, what they think of me from what little they heard on the tZM forums. [08:58:13] *** Quits: satyr (qwebirc@RBOSE-3bb93cef.sd.cox.net) (Quit: Page closed) [08:58:18] As such, it makes me think twice when I hear something bad/good about someone, is it entirely the truth.. [08:58:27] How much spin might there be there.. [08:58:35] indeed [08:58:54] I think that is one of the reasons why the public are so turned off by many such, change the world efforts, because they are tired of spin. [08:58:57] That and products.. [08:59:13] I don't think there is a single product I can buy nowdays that isn't spun to make it sound better than it is [08:59:20] And when you get it home, it doesn't work 100%.. [08:59:43] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV_kxWstbAg [08:59:44] You4Tube 2[Title] O'Reilly Factor Introduction 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 0:00:14 2[Views] 7290 2[Rating] 4.53 2[Uploaded] 2006-09-27 2[Description] Bill's here to warn you that you are entering a NO SPIN ZONE. [08:59:50] I think that is what appeals about RBOSE/RBEF, less spin there. [09:00:32] Yes, character assassinations are nothing new in TZM. [09:01:09] nanos it's transparent the only spin comes from the individual =P [09:01:18] Brandon, please stop talking about TZM that way, it's not fruitful. [09:01:19] and outside sources [09:01:41] What's with the fruit language? [09:01:52] when a person asks me hey whose the leader of RBOSE I can honestly say we have no leader or what leader [09:02:03] I've been looking at our new governments help people to start businesses efforts, sadly at the moment the only real practical help they can do is give you a free website.. [09:02:24] Hmmm... [09:02:29] that's when I know things are working and were on the right path, when all of a sudden someone or people start pointing out a leader then we got a problem but projects are a differnt story [09:02:31] I could get a 75% government loan, but I'd need 25% investment from others to qualify.. [09:02:44] *** Quits: Billlll (qwebirc@RBOSE-aacd56e3.res.rr.com) (Quit: Page closed) [09:02:57] *** Quits: Peter_Merola (qwebirc@RBOSE-aacd56e3.res.rr.com) (Quit: Page closed) [09:03:04] *** Quits: DickDancer (qwebirc@RBOSE-5eee5520.res.rr.com) (Quit: Page closed) [09:03:19] Thats what made me think about the idea of a geothermal power station, as I reckon I might get investors for that. [09:03:33] So thats an idea penciled in for once I've got myself an income. [09:03:41] See what the local people think of that idea.. [09:04:03] Do you think joe public would go for it, invest $3k and get free electric for life ? [09:04:23] nanos sounds like a plan [09:04:43] I imagine you've heard me mention the details previously. [09:05:14] About free electric for domestic customers, but paid for by business customers. with the domestic customers having a ration of free stuff, if they go over, then they pay for above that. [09:05:40] One would need to limit the number of domestic customers of course, the first power station supplying the rationed free power to the inital investors. [09:06:09] But I think overall it might work, and also allow one to build a very small community around the power station as homes for the maintence engineers. [09:06:21] Plus a chance to build an earth sheltered power station. [09:07:30] I can see that it might win favour with the government such a plan. (As such I'll plan to have drinks with politicans on a social level (already got an invite.) to help develop a positive relationship.) [09:08:14] Last year the government here gave away several million in grants to help see such plants built, but I think this year the kitty will be empty sadly for that to happen again. [09:08:24] But I keep looking out for any grants that I might be able to apply for. [09:08:34] I found one th eother day, but I'm too young, not over 50! [09:09:19] Oh well, back to tinkering with wood N stuff to build my car.. [09:09:40] I think I'm getting over the flu better today. [09:12:06] Yeah, I think I should get some sleep and try to overcome this sickness I have now myself. [09:12:32] I've had it for just over a week now. [09:12:42] Real pain when you have to walk miles to get shopping :-( [09:13:01] * Nanos grumpy old man impression.. [09:14:31] http://www.lotro.com this might interest folk, its free to play now. [09:14:32] URL Title: The Lord of the Rings Online - Play for Free! (at www.lotro.com) [09:14:50] I hear that MMORPG's, that have free accounts, they often have 10 free accounts to every paying one. [09:15:23] I hope mine manages to capture some of the market.. [09:15:52] * Nanos starts to imagine meeting Matt in a dark alley in a MMORPG.. :-) [09:17:03] I found when I had kids that them playing games like that helped family tensions. (I remember the boy coming in and complaining that his sister was beating him up in the game! I think it helped stop him a little from beating her up in real life..) [09:23:06] Breakfast and my todo list is calling me away for now, catch you all laters. [09:24:17] *** Quits: Nanos (nanos.org.uk@RBOSE-8f096905.dyn.plus.net) (Quit: Leaving.) [09:25:34] *** Joins: Naeron_1984 (Naeron_1984@RBOSE-2e86728d.pool.telekom.hu) [09:38:40] *** Quits: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-5eee5520.res.rr.com) (Quit: Leaving.) 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[13:46:45] *** Joins: Sixth_Ape (sixth_ape@RBOSE-8b2f1114.mweb.co.za) [13:47:11] ,evening [13:47:11] Kimsan: Error: "evening" is not a valid command. [13:49:58] -|UFO|- Mecha has quit FREENODE (Quit: Lδmnar) [13:52:35] so i guess its five `o clock somewhere [14:07:15] ,seen matt [14:07:15] humanity: matt was last seen in #RBOSE 5 hours, 20 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: NANOS I HATE U! [14:12:18] *** Quits: Sixth_Ape (sixth_ape@RBOSE-8b2f1114.mweb.co.za) (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) [14:31:21] Yeah... I'm starting to see more threads like that but it seems undefined to me what they want to raise money for. [14:31:34] because it takes money to make money [14:31:55] when i take a check to the bank,they cgarge me to cash it, wtf [14:32:03] charge [14:32:27] how the hell can you buy any land in this world without money [14:32:58] any resources without money [14:33:11] Hmmm... [14:33:28] no hmm [14:33:33] how do we [14:33:37] grants [14:34:02] remember natural had 3.9 sq miles of land, noone cared [14:34:21] so we are just here talking [14:34:34] so is food fiest [14:34:36] land [14:34:42] first thing [14:35:02] a plan [14:35:07] theroy [14:35:19] 100k different ideas [14:35:30] so why did we leave TZM [14:35:38] fuck peter [14:35:43] what about us [14:35:57] one bitch dont stop the show [14:35:57] So then, we should create a chipin for each project for organizational purposes. [14:36:07] That RBEF Fleet sounds like a great idea. [14:36:24] one bitch dont stop the show <--- LoL [14:37:29] agreed with you on what are they raising money for, what projects [14:37:40] what resources do they need [14:38:07] what tools are they speaking of [14:38:29] what resources does RBOSE need [14:38:44] http://www.rbose.org/wiki/Resources [14:38:45] URL Title: Resources - RBOSE (at www.rbose.org) [14:38:49] these are resources? [14:39:02] Well, I guess it's best to ask for donations for small projects and if those small projects show success, we go on from there. [14:40:06] sure but ive seen lots of projects, http://www.rbose.org/wiki/Projects [14:40:07] URL Title: Projects - RBOSE (at www.rbose.org) [14:40:19] how will these help? [14:40:27] * BranManFloMizzle check [14:40:37] how will these help [14:40:40] http://www.theprojectumbrella.org/Category:Projects [14:41:44] http://zeitgeistresources.com/resources.php [14:41:45] URL Title: Zeitgeist Resources - Find Resources (at zeitgeistresources.com) [14:41:57] these are resources? [14:42:00] i dont get it [14:42:31] so the main point i guess i'd like to make is, i walked out of the session because i'm trying to make sure that what i spend my time and energy on are worth it. [01:57] and that conversation didn't hold much promis [14:42:35] is he serious [14:42:40] http://rbefoundation.com/grouptopic.php?f=29&t=2920 <--- I like this idea. [14:42:42] URL Title: The Autarkia Project (at rbefoundation.com) [14:43:06] start here [14:43:09] or poland [14:43:37] im freaking tired of coming to this same place everyday doing the same thing [14:43:49] the older i get the faster they go [14:44:05] im going to be sitting on my death bed, saying, i wish [14:44:07] There are Earthship Chapters. [14:44:12] what a waste of a last breath [14:44:32] Might as well find one locally and introduce how people can live like what the Autarkia Project proposes. [14:44:40] lol [14:45:40] Donate some glass bottles for earthship you alcoholic. [14:45:45] LoL [14:45:53] we already have homes with noone living in them [14:45:55] lol [14:46:21] http://openetherpad.org/rbs-en [14:46:22] URL Title: EtherPad: rbs-en (at openetherpad.org) [14:47:35] http://www.rbose.org/wiki/Talk:RBS [14:47:36] URL Title: Talk:RBS - RBOSE (at www.rbose.org) [14:47:49] http://www.rbose.org/wiki/RBS [14:47:50] URL Title: RBS - RBOSE (at www.rbose.org) [14:48:56] * BranManFloMizzle burps [14:50:11] http://rbose.org/logs/RBOSE/%23RBOSE.log.2010-11-11 [14:50:16] damn its long [14:50:24] any thing good in it [14:51:02] http://www.rbose.org/wiki/RBS#People_With_Better_Living_Standard_With_This_System [14:51:03] URL Title: RBS - RBOSE (at www.rbose.org) [14:51:07] http://www.rbefoundation.com/grouptopic.php?f=133&t=2938&start=20 [14:51:09] URL Title: Cybersyn (at www.rbefoundation.com) [14:51:20] hee hee , to me all three have great plans [14:51:37] they all are pretty much the same [14:51:43] to me [14:51:50] surle there is a middle [14:51:53] y [14:52:05] Yeah, I see similarities myself. [14:52:43] why flomizzle talking today,lol [14:53:21] ok so why do people need to go and get jobs [14:53:37] whats the difference in us creating jobs [14:54:02] id rather work for us than them [14:54:17] why flomizzle talking today,lol <--- BranManFloMore is sick, so he told me to fill in for him for awhile. [14:54:18] damn a salesman is here [14:54:25] freaking hate them! [14:54:34] *** Quits: faresz (qwebirc@RBOSE-49ecfcd1.catv.broadband.hu) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [14:54:50] lol [14:55:19] get call severyday for packing tape and shipping supplies [14:56:50] *** Joins: faresz (qwebirc@RBOSE-49ecfcd1.catv.broadband.hu) [15:04:49] There are a lot of ideas to die for: Freedom, if you’re from New Hampshire. Justice. Truth. Communism. Many people have laid down their lives for Communism, and many have laid down their lives for Capitalism. And many for Catholicism. And many for Islam. These are just a few of the ideas that are to die for. They’re infectious. 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[15:12:56] well ill wait for the collapse [15:13:40] http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/army-gets-first-sikh-enlisted-soldier-in-decades-22965692 [15:13:41] URL Title: Army gets first Sikh enlisted soldier in decades (at news.yahoo.com) [15:15:49] !list [15:15:54] `list [15:15:55] <|UFO|> humanity: Admin, Alias, Anonymous, Channel, Config, Ctcp, Games, Google, Linux, Math, Misc, Network, Owner, Postman, Python, Relay, Rhyme, Scheduler, Seen, Services, Status, String, Supybot, Time, Timebomb, Topic, Unix, User, Utilities, Web, Wikipedia, and Zipinfo [15:17:28] *** Quits: faresz (qwebirc@RBOSE-49ecfcd1.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [15:20:50] -|UFO|- DNS777 has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [15:21:36] -|UFO|- DNS777 has joined on FREENODE [15:22:21] two salesmans now! [15:22:26] both sides [15:22:29] freak! [15:23:52] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-91b6e84c.bredband.skanova.com) [15:24:07] -|UFO|- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [15:24:14] -|UFO|- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Changing host) [15:24:15] -|UFO|- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [15:24:16] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Calyp [15:24:51] *** Joins: Calyp (Caly@RBOSE-91b6e84c.bredband.skanova.com) [15:25:06] -|UFO|- Calyptratus has joined on FREENODE [15:25:16] *** Joins: Diago (Diago@B38B54.5998A2.E16E97.F40687) [15:26:50] *** Quits: Calyp (Caly@RBOSE-91b6e84c.bredband.skanova.com) (Quit: Leaving) [15:26:50] -|UFO|- Calyptratus has quit FREENODE (Client Quit) [15:42:33] cut throat capitalism i love it [15:42:51] cut 10 percent [15:43:06] thats money in my pocket [15:43:41] ofcourse the product they oush is always the best [15:43:54] when they all come off the same assembly line [15:43:59] wix filters [15:44:06] make napa filters [15:44:25] napa came here and cut wix by 15 percent [15:44:27] damn! [15:47:36] list on a filter 30.39 [15:47:43] cost me 5.16 [15:48:04] so anyone want to go in business? [15:48:14] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6w2M50_Xdk [15:48:15] You4Tube 2[Title] Science Saved My Soul. 2[Category] Education 2[Duration] 0:00:00 2[Views] 276978 2[Rating] 4.96 2[Uploaded] 2010-11-01 2[Description] Yes, many of those thinkers to whom I owe my mental freedom were religious, like Newton, a Christian, who believed God made the Earth but who then showed me why the Earth would have formed without a god's help. Or Plank and Schrodinger, two more Christians, who believed God r [15:48:15] you got to now how to talk shit [15:48:30] seen it and it on my facebook [15:48:34] lots of truth there [15:48:36] *** Joins: erik (erik@RBOSE-d612fe3a.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [15:48:55] caly what up! [15:48:56] humanity: what are you talking about? [15:49:05] which part [15:49:08] humanity: just got out of bed pretty much [15:49:18] business [15:49:22] filters? business? [15:49:34] yes cut throat business [15:49:42] mkay.. (?) [15:49:49] define [15:49:51] wix makes filters for alomost everybody [15:50:00] they make napa filterrs [15:50:01] filters? [15:50:07] wich is what? [15:50:25] napa comes here and cuts 15 percent off what i was paying [15:50:29] 30.39 [15:50:33] list price [15:50:34] napa? [15:50:37] cost me 516 [15:50:40] yup [15:50:46] wich is? [15:50:51] 5.16 man [15:50:57] meaning? [15:51:11] i could sell to you for a hell of profit [15:51:19] terrible.. [15:51:20] do you use filters [15:51:23] oil [15:51:25] parts [15:51:38] whave you seen renatl rates of construction [15:51:45] rentakl rates [15:51:50] rental rates [15:51:54] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@A96332.9941FA.D920D6.42341E) [15:52:01] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@A96332.9941FA.D920D6.42341E) (Client closed the connection) [15:52:04] show me the money [15:52:09] here it is [15:52:24] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@A96332.9941FA.D920D6.42341E) [15:52:26] filters for what? cigarettes? Oilfilters for my car? active charcoal filters for moonshining, weedgrowing or cooking fans? [15:52:29] now add 1,000,000.00 annual sales [15:52:40] filters for my respirator helmet perhaps? [15:52:47] air oil trans fuel hyd [15:53:08] contruction equip [15:53:10] mhmm.. [15:53:16] construction [15:53:19] cars [15:53:22] truck [15:53:28] the main thing we need [15:53:34] cant live without [15:53:40] what/who is napa? what id "cut throat business" [15:54:13] and what is wix? [15:55:11] *** Joins: Basse (qwebirc@RBOSE-8afc9550.bb.online.no) [15:55:15] hi Basse [15:55:24] Hi Caly! [15:55:28] fuck brb [15:55:31] *** Quits: Basse (qwebirc@RBOSE-8afc9550.bb.online.no) (Quit: Page closed) [15:55:35] *** Joins: Bit (qwebirc@RBOSE-8afc9550.bb.online.no) [15:55:48] ^^ [15:55:52] Hi again [15:56:15] ..."bit by bit by bit"... [15:56:29] BURN IT DOWN! [16:02:38] http://www.wurthusa.com/project/en/topnavi/home/startpage_1.jsp [16:02:40] URL Title: Supplier of Fasteners, Shop Supplies, Hand Tools, Chemicals, Electrical Supplies|WURTH USA Inc. (at www.wurthusa.com) [16:03:35] http://www.wixfilters.com/ [16:03:38] URL Title: WIX filters, WIX oil filters, WIX air filters, WIX fuel filters, WIX Heavy Duty Oil Filters (at www.wixfilters.com) [16:03:53] http://www.napaonline.com/ [16:03:55] URL Title: NAPA Online (at www.napaonline.com) [16:04:10] *** Joins: olf (qwebirc@RBOSE-27bf8799.sch.bme.hu) [16:04:30] http://www.uzengprod.com/ [16:04:31] URL Title: UZ Engineered Products (at www.uzengprod.com) [16:04:41] these people came in and cut throat [16:04:48] http://www.wurthusa.com/project/en/topnavi/home/startpage_1.jsp [16:04:49] URL Title: Supplier of Fasteners, Shop Supplies, Hand Tools, Chemicals, Electrical Supplies|WURTH USA Inc. (at www.wurthusa.com) [16:04:51] these people [16:05:51] *** Joins: manilaenglish (qwebirc@65CD78.254CAF.C90EAD.D7CDB8) [16:06:13] manila [16:06:21] Is warpi here? [16:06:29] ,smack warpi [16:06:29] * rBOTse smacks warpi with diagnoses [16:06:41] yes maybe in other room [16:06:43] lets see [16:06:46] *** Joins: idk (idk@RBOSE-e55ba99c.bb.online.no) [16:06:52] ,hammer warpi [16:06:52] * rBOTse slaps warpi with a big |-| /-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ of hard informations. (Only because humanity requested that.) [16:07:20] boss man just bought three trac hoes [16:07:40] got the third one for free basically [16:08:15] Where? OSE? [16:08:24] see with money comes purchase power [16:08:41] no im speaking about profit margin here [16:09:43] wix engine oil filters list for 30.39 cost me 5.16 [16:10:37] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@A96332.9941FA.D920D6.42341E) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [16:10:51] cant understand that if you buy a peice of construction equipment it pays itself off with in a few years [16:11:03] renatls [16:13:04] anyone going to be at Atlas meeting Saturday? [16:13:38] * manilaenglish slaps warpi around a bit with a large fishbot [16:16:40] so there is a middle to warpi,manila, & Aneiren [16:17:10] they all seem similar [16:17:47] filters for moonshining, lol yeah thats a big seller [16:18:03] weedgrowing, another big seller [16:18:43] `jobs [16:18:44] <|UFO|> humanity: Error: "jobs" is not a valid command. [16:18:58] ?? work [16:18:58] work[x]: No defintion found for word. [16:21:37] caly's profession? [16:24:31] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOGUqXRXPts&feature=grec_index [16:24:32] You4Tube 2[Title] Prince talks about Chemtrails on TV 2[Category] People 2[Duration] 0:04:34 2[Views] 569251 2[Rating] 4.75 2[Uploaded] 2009-04-29 2[Description] Well, the artist formerly known as Prince... [16:24:34] lol [16:25:16] condensation? [16:25:44] so im stupid, [16:26:19] eight presidents before george washington [16:27:11] i remember someting on this [16:27:23] black presidents, anyone else [16:27:31] first presidents [16:32:37] http://www.bigissueground.com/history/blair-blackuspresidents.shtml [16:32:38] URL Title: The 5 Black US Presidents (at www.bigissueground.com) [16:34:50] http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fdiversityinc.com%2Fcontent%2F1757%2Farticle%2F1461%2F&h=53f57 [16:36:42] and i feel, plush [16:38:32] http://www.hi-line.com/ just came in here wanting to do some cut throat [16:38:33] URL Title: Hi-Line (at www.hi-line.com) [16:38:48] do you fuckers understand [16:39:43] its good to be the king [16:40:12] ,smack billll [16:40:12] * rBOTse smacks billll with a mountain [16:40:13] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvIz_GXKUss [16:40:14] You4Tube 2[Title] Tom Petty - It's Good To Be King 2[Category] Music 2[Duration] 0:05:10 2[Views] 59376 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2010-02-16 2[Description] Words And Music By Tom Petty It's good to be king, if just for a while To be there in velvet, yeah, to give 'em a smile It's good to get high and never come down It's good to be king of your own little town Yeah, the world would swing if I were king Can I help it if I [16:40:42] #music [16:41:06] what does bill do for a living [16:41:09] talk shit [16:41:36] yes he is probably like the rest of us :D [16:42:06] lol [16:42:18] are you high humanity? [16:42:49] NO IM AT WORK [16:42:58] capps lock at work [16:43:03] ok. just checking ;) [16:43:08] why? [16:43:18] you seem to be rambling [16:43:28] showing that i have power [16:43:30] just a little bit [16:43:40] you want to eat i own them [16:43:47] huh? [16:43:49] bleep! :D [16:43:53] you want my business [16:44:03] talking about the salesmen here [16:44:04] I don't understand [16:44:11] ok [16:44:15] they want my business [16:44:25] Tom Petty. Good song. Never heard it before. [16:44:34] has been a while [16:44:50] greed may be cathing up with them [16:45:09] bust the economy [16:45:47] hey did yall see the rich tourist i posted on here the other day [16:46:02] 100 euors and no body earned nothing [16:46:11] but all the bills got paid [16:46:24] what the! [16:46:45] manila, see stats i always talk to myself here [16:49:27] I was wondering. [16:49:42] Thought maybe you were connected to another chatroom at the same time. [16:50:05] It's cool though. We all have our own ways of getting the thoughts to flow. [16:50:58] i talk to my imaginary cat once and a while. He thinks like me whenever i catch tv, read a paper och an article on the internet [16:51:05] "mjau mjau mjau mjau" [16:51:25] *or [16:52:30] for music type /join #music [16:52:46] u just missed fat bottom girls [16:53:37] what do i type if i want to go to some place where ppl understand that its no good to only think about one self? [16:53:57] "/j #heaven?" [16:54:17] maybe those christians know,lol [17:02:26] *** Joins: Aneiren (qwebirc@RBOSE-41e1e313.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net) [17:03:05] Hi humanity [17:03:40] *** Quits: Aneiren (qwebirc@RBOSE-41e1e313.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net) (Quit: Page closed) [17:06:01] *** Joins: Aneiren (qwebirc@RBOSE-41e1e313.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net) [17:06:21] humanity [17:06:24] Hello [17:07:08] Hello? [17:08:04] I'd better not get a pissed of message later say "Where the fuck were you, I was waiting for you to chat?!?!" [17:08:23] Because Where the fuck are you mister? [17:11:24] Well, this was a waste [17:11:52] There isn't even anyone else in here to harass me [17:11:59] Its EMPTY... [17:12:18] Hi folks! [17:12:57] Howdy fantom [17:13:00] phantom [17:13:05] wow, spelling failure [17:13:18] and I could have just copied it right off the screen... [17:13:28] * Aneiren is a dumbass [17:14:15] Hey Aneiren :) [17:14:26] Hows things going with you? [17:14:44] hey, hold on now im busy,shit! [17:14:51] i am fine thanks, How is it on other side? [17:14:54] i was there last night didnt see ya [17:15:28] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcSxL8GUn-g&feature=&p=79184D14F872B80D&index=0&playnext=1 [17:15:29] You4Tube 2[Title] James Burke : Connections, Episode 1, "The Trigger Effect", 1 of 5 (CC) 2[Category] Education 2[Duration] 0:09:58 2[Views] 148513 2[Rating] 4.91 2[Uploaded] 2009-01-16 2[Description] Watch Entire Show: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=79184D14F872B80D&playnext=1 More Shows: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=JamesBurkeWeb&view=playlists Episode 1 of James Burke's most well-known series "Connectio [17:15:52] Oh, well... sorry humanity [17:16:06] *** Quits: erik (erik@RBOSE-d612fe3a.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Connection closed) [17:16:12] before long, the supplies are going to get here and I'm going to spend the rest of the day outside working... [17:16:22] Other side of the world? [17:16:24] Its daytime [17:16:36] `time [17:16:38] <|UFO|> Phantom: 05:16 PM, November 11, 2010 [17:16:54] It day time but dark lol [17:17:17] *its [17:17:34] *** Joins: erik (erik@RBOSE-d612fe3a.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [17:17:38] Ah, so you're to the west of me... [17:17:43] No [17:17:46] Well.. [17:17:53] If you go far enough west, lol [17:22:23] -|UFO|- mode change by |UFO| on FREENODE: +v DNS777 [17:22:42] ,logs [17:22:42] humanity: Error: "logs" is not a valid command. [17:22:46] ,log [17:22:46] humanity: Error: "log" is not a valid command. [17:22:50] `log [17:22:50] <|UFO|> Aneiren: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. [17:22:59] you need rbose logs? [17:23:02] !stats [17:23:03] no [17:23:04] I don't [17:23:04] IRC Stats Available At: #RBOSE: http://rbose.org/stats | #developers: http://rbose.org/stats/developers.html | #WIKI: http://rbose.org/stats/wiki.html [17:23:10] I was showing humanity [17:23:27] on that page is link of logs [17:24:12] was wanting to see music logs [17:24:16] wrong channel [17:24:36] So humanity [17:24:49] did you see the new thing I added to my brainstorming page? [17:25:52] the #music channel is not logged [17:26:13] "Jesus also makes sailors blush, 0.9% of the time." [17:26:15] LOL [17:26:21] I've even added a "New" label so you can't miss it [17:26:35] *** Quits: Absalom (Absalom@RBOSE-96a728da.lavasoft.com) (Quit: Leaving) [17:27:42] not yey, ive been ranting [17:28:17] *** Joins: IceCat (qwebirc@localhost) [17:28:41] *** Parts: IceCat (qwebirc@IceCat.OpenSource) [17:28:41] *** Joins: IceCat (qwebirc@IceCat.OpenSource) [17:29:52] Sorry supplies are here now... [17:30:08] ? [17:30:11] I don't really want to have to do this work right now... but oh well... [17:30:18] James Burke [17:30:42] It'll probably be the evening before I sign back on [17:30:45] ,smack manilaenglish [17:30:45] * rBOTse smacks manilaenglish with struts [17:30:55] *** Quits: Aneiren (qwebirc@RBOSE-41e1e313.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net) (Quit: Page closed) [17:30:59] damn [17:33:45] what? [17:34:19] *** Joins: faresz (qwebirc@RBOSE-49ecfcd1.catv.broadband.hu) [17:34:37] Aneiren was here [17:34:40] darn [17:34:42] and? [17:37:13] collaborate to meet in the middle, or just have two different cites that live off each other [17:37:34] socialism runs out of other peoples money, so [17:38:05] http://www.theprojectumbrella.org/Catechism [17:38:17] http://www.theprojectumbrella.org/Community_Organization [17:38:39] I don't see how your cliche compares with my system [17:39:18] maybe all your resources will come off your land, cool [17:39:25] salt pepper [17:39:50] You see, Humanity. I am not advocating taking other people's money to spread the wealth. My plan is to to bypass it. [17:40:11] Bypass it entirely by using a different economy. [17:40:32] still other contries must reconise for trade [17:40:45] I am targeting the poor. [17:40:51] ah [17:41:02] I plan to pull the bottom out, remember? [17:41:11] agreed that money will never reach them or help them [17:41:29] The middle class are those people who own McDonalds and retail stores. I plan to take away their workers. [17:41:40] yes! [17:42:22] -|UFO|- Kebap23 has joined on FREENODE [17:42:23] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Kebap23 [17:42:24] i often wonder if what was in my food from there [17:42:25] At this very moment though, I'm just finishing off a bottle of brandy and watching Caly's video recommendation. It became fun at part 2. [17:42:42] so am i [17:42:57] really? You're drinking Brandy at work? :P [17:42:58] j/k [17:42:58] 911 in troulble [17:43:08] lol [17:43:34] *** Quits: erik (erik@RBOSE-d612fe3a.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Connection closed) [17:43:35] no im eating Brandy [17:43:49] I'm going to get back to this video. That's why I haven't replied to the post about OSE yet. I'm thinking I'll reply tomorrow after work. [17:44:03] I was thinking the same thing but wasn't going to go there. lol [17:44:41] Because I noticed I had accidently capitalized brandy [17:45:34] But I'm happy to hear that OSE is still operating. [17:46:46] he has ADD [17:46:56] so i hear, just like me [17:50:46] I was diagnosed with ADD and put on medication in middle school. Bullshit doctors. Psychology is a bullshit science, I can tell you that! [17:51:50] *** Joins: kman (kman@RBOSE-5b61570f.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [17:52:29] It took me YEARS before I matured enough to think about total rebellion and discontinued the medication. Don't be so quick to agree with the "doctors". There is such a thing as normal childhood development. People change as they age. And in today's world, with technology, there are more distractions than ever. It is not ADD. They "doctors" are just stupid. [17:54:34] So are you "really" ADD? Or are you a normal teenager who grew up in a digital age? Or are you just maturing a little late? The reason most people "grow out of" ADD as they get older is because ADD is not a real illness. [17:54:42] It's an excuse to medicate. [18:05:07] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@A96332.9941FA.263BFC.2B17C1) [18:05:15] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@A96332.9941FA.263BFC.2B17C1) (Client closed the connection) [18:05:38] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@A96332.9941FA.263BFC.2B17C1) [18:15:35] if the farrow said [18:15:44] if the elite say! [18:17:24] its a shame they had all this technology long ago, and here we are [18:20:38] *** Quits: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-faa6a759.cust.telenor.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [18:22:07] *** Quits: olf (qwebirc@RBOSE-27bf8799.sch.bme.hu) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [18:24:03] *** kman is now known as kman-afk [18:27:31] *** Joins: Absalom (xxx@RBOSE-1037a0dd.bredband.comhem.se) [18:33:26] *** Joins: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-95e5f0c2.cust.telenor.se) [18:40:00] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@A96332.9941FA.263BFC.2B17C1) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [18:44:47] just finished watching The Trigger Effect. Great documentary. [18:44:58] Those are the kinds of documentaries I grew up watching! [18:45:31] It's interesting to note the kinds of thoughts I had as a child compared to the kinds of thoughts I have as a 32 year old adult. [18:45:54] warpi. Are you there? [18:46:04] * manilaenglish slaps warpi around a bit with a large fishbot [18:46:06] manilaenglish, hello [18:46:12] Hi. [18:46:18] Can you log into Mumble? [18:46:22] sure [18:46:28] meet you there [18:46:32] private room 2 [18:46:45] ok... i just have to set it up [18:46:48] 1 minute [18:47:27] gives me time to take a leak [18:48:06] hi guys [18:48:11] ,weather hamburg [18:48:12] DNS: Weather for Hamburg, Hamburg on 2010-11-11 @ 17:20UTC: Current: 5℃ Rain, Wind: S at 25 mph; Humidity: 81%; Thu: Chance of Rain ( 6℃ | 5℃ ); Fri: Chance of Rain ( 8℃ | 5℃ ); Sat: Chance of Rain ( 12℃ | 3℃ ) [18:50:22] hello DNS [18:50:40] looks like good weather for you in Hamburg today. [18:51:01] lol nope [18:51:17] its rainin all teh tiem and a little storm [18:51:22] *the time [18:51:31] ,weather utrecht [18:51:32] Phantom: Weather for Utrecht, Utrecht on 2010-11-11 @ 17:25UTC: Current: 10℃ Thunderstorm, Wind: S at 30 mph; Humidity: 94%; Thu: Chance of Rain ( 8℃ | 6℃ ); Fri: Chance of Rain ( 11℃ | 9℃ ); Sat: Rain ( 12℃ | 6℃ ) [18:51:48] humidity 94% [18:51:50] haha [18:52:15] its raining all day [18:52:23] *** Quits: Julius (Julius@psyc.RBOSE) (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.1 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) [18:52:23] -|UFO|- Julius-ZM has quit FREENODE (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.1 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) [18:52:24] should be 100% LOL [18:53:51] *** Joins: Julius (Julius@RBOSE-0346be06.pool.digikabel.hu) [18:54:06] -|UFO|- Julius-ZM has joined on FREENODE [18:54:14] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Julius-ZM [18:54:25] DNS makes it rain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNPlrE9z1vs [18:54:26] You4Tube 2[Title] Make It Rain 2[Category] Music 2[Duration] 0:04:38 2[Views] 864301 2[Rating] 4.83 2[Uploaded] 2009-02-27 2[Description] Music video by Fat Joe featuring R. Kelly, T.I., Lil Wayne, Baby, Rick Ross and Ace Mac performing Make It Rain (Remix) (Feat. R. Kelly, T.I., Lil Wayne, Baby, Rick Ross and Ace Mac). [18:54:29] LoL [18:54:53] 0_o [18:56:07] lil wayne baby rick ross all bad rappers for me, i hope they dont create really the bad weahter lol [18:56:14] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpMm7SZZ3PM [18:56:15] You4Tube 2[Title] Group Home - Stupid Muthafuckas 2[Category] Music 2[Duration] 0:03:50 2[Views] 142237 2[Rating] 4.89 2[Uploaded] 2008-03-24 2[Description] Album "A Tear For The Ghetto" 1999 [18:57:39] You know they are your favorite rappers. [18:57:44] LoL [18:57:47] * BranManFloMizzle checks out song. [18:57:50] ,smack BranManFloMizzle [18:57:50] * rBOTse smacks BranManFloMizzle with conditions [18:57:51] :D [19:02:00] That was dope. [19:03:51] :) [19:05:38] BranManFloMizzle: this i think u know already http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-ocvxLHPP4 [19:05:39] You4Tube 2[Title] Group Home - Livin' Proof 1995 HQ 2[Category] Music 2[Duration] 0:04:40 2[Views] 2652 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2010-01-24 2[Description] Group Home [19:06:03] http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/ [19:06:05] URL Title: Top Documentary Films - Watch Free Documentaries Online (at topdocumentaryfilms.com) [19:13:45] ,weather dortmund [19:13:46] Kebap: Weather for Dortmund, North Rhine-Westphalia on 2010-11-11 @ 17:20UTC: Current: 6℃ Light rain, Wind: S at 26 mph; Humidity: 81%; Thu: Mostly Sunny ( 8℃ | 6℃ ); Fri: Chance of Rain ( 11℃ | 10℃ ); Sat: Chance of Rain ( 13℃ | 10℃ ) [19:14:24] Chance of Rain [19:14:43] ? thats put nicely ^^ [19:31:52] -|UFO|- DNS777 has quit FREENODE (Changing host) [19:31:53] -|UFO|- DNS777 has joined on FREENODE [19:31:54] -|UFO|- mode change by calvino.freenode.net on FREENODE: +v DNS777 [19:33:34] *** Joins: Absalom_TZM (xxx@RBOSE-d693673d.bredband.comhem.se) [19:33:38] *** Absalom is now known as Guest27141 [19:33:42] *** Absalom_TZM is now known as Absalom [19:34:16] *** Quits: Guest27141 (xxx@RBOSE-1037a0dd.bredband.comhem.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [19:34:44] Absalom: you can use the ghost command also: /msg nickserv help ghost [19:34:48] :-) [19:35:40] *** Joins: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-c9131efe.supraktv.hu) [19:35:48] *** Parts: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-c9131efe.supraktv.hu) [19:37:42] what a great inspirational talk again by douglas rushkoff here :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE1kRyEnu3c [19:37:43] You4Tube 2[Title] Douglas Rushkoff: Testament, Get Back In The Box And Corporatism - Part 4 2[Category] Nonprofit 2[Duration] 0:08:50 2[Views] 28 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2010-06-10 2[Description] Author, teacher and documentarian Douglas Rushkoff speaks on Nothing Sacred, Get Back in the Box, the newest issue of his DC/Vertigo comic Testament Vol. 2: West of Eden as well as a work in progress about corporatism. Taped on F [19:40:01] -|UFO|- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [19:40:01] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-91b6e84c.bredband.skanova.com) (Client closed the connection) [19:40:35] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-d4b8b615.bredband.skanova.com) [19:40:36] -|UFO|- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [19:40:37] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Calyp [20:10:31] i never had a wrong password for user in mumble [20:11:26] if some1 has a problem with logging into mumble join #mumble and shout for help or just ask me lol [20:12:18] just dont understand why it did this just sitting here, is all im saying [20:13:16] #mumble [20:15:24] *** Joins: humanity_ (qwebirc@E0E056.37BB12.CBB70F.F72205) [20:15:41] *** Quits: humanity_ (qwebirc@E0E056.37BB12.CBB70F.F72205) (Quit: Page closed) [20:27:02] 0_o [20:27:48] *** Joins: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@146AF2.2BD0F3.A8DC5C.5BF77F) [20:35:59] *** Quits: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-95e5f0c2.cust.telenor.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [20:40:09] *** Joins: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-c9131efe.supraktv.hu) [20:40:15] *** Parts: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-c9131efe.supraktv.hu) [20:45:31] *** Quits: humanity (qwebirc@E0E056.37BB12.CBB70F.F72205) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [20:47:00] *** Joins: humanity (qwebirc@E0E056.37BB12.CBB70F.F72205) [20:47:33] *** Phantom is now known as Viper [20:50:45] bill likes sucking turtles [20:51:12] turtles head sticking out the shell, whats that remind you of [20:51:19] *** Joins: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-8ea26e64.cust.telenor.se) [20:51:30] You ain't got no pancake mix! [20:52:12] you aint got no grammar [20:53:25] humanity LOL [20:54:02] humanity: you aint got no grammar <--- There's no pancake mix in there! [20:54:10] lol [20:56:06] humanity your apart of rbef? [20:56:22] god said there was! [20:56:29] yes [20:56:36] well im there [20:56:48] like im here [20:57:16] like im with umbrella [20:57:46] o [20:57:54] so you dont like nanos [20:57:59] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pCtXRP1edo&feature=related [20:57:59] didn't know panman got that pissed of lol [20:57:59] You4Tube 2[Title] Pay It Forward Trailer 2[Category] Film 2[Duration] 0:02:23 2[Views] 90095 2[Rating] 4.96 2[Uploaded] 2008-05-08 2[Description] Theatrical movie trailer for Pay It Forward, provided by Warner Bros [20:58:02] what did he do [20:58:21] pan is funny, not ha ha funny [20:58:36] has anybody seen this movie? [20:58:38] humanity: pan is funny, not ha ha funny <--- But he doesn't have any pancakes. [20:58:57] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@A96332.5202BD.911D7A.B4374F) [20:59:05] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@A96332.5202BD.911D7A.B4374F) (Client closed the connection) [20:59:15] have you slapped pans ass [20:59:20] nice cakes [20:59:28] love to watch the wave [20:59:29] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@A96332.5202BD.911D7A.B4374F) [20:59:35] slap it [20:59:48] pay it forward can we [21:00:10] anyone every tossed salad? [21:00:24] when muff diving its hard to tail [21:00:25] lol [21:00:50] shouldnt it be pound cakes [21:01:20] Well! [21:01:50] *** Quits: kman-afk (kman@RBOSE-5b61570f.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [21:02:20] Good movie Julius. [21:03:36] to bad nobody pays it forward [21:03:46] i got mines now you go get yours [21:03:56] thats what i tell my wife [21:04:14] lol [21:04:23] just watched the trailer. Looks like a nice movie to watch with my wife. Downloading it now. Thanks for the recommendation. [21:05:13] danf manila you have been gone for to long [21:05:25] I was talking to warpi [21:05:50] It's already on YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33mE9i9ehV4 [21:05:51] You4Tube 2[Title] Pay It Forward - Part One 2[Category] Entertainment 2[Duration] 0:10:00 2[Views] 145844 2[Rating] 4.93 2[Uploaded] 2008-05-06 2[Description] Pay It Forward - Part One [21:06:08] warpi is julius [21:06:11] oops [21:06:22] or was it hidden [21:06:24] blocked [21:06:57] so the pancake thing, its about the guy and the lady with the bible [21:07:13] humanity warpi is not julius lol [21:07:20] well after I talked to warpi / julius I watched a few videos on youtube instead of going to bed [21:07:20] manilaenglish: yw [21:07:41] humanity: so the pancake thing, its about the guy and the lady with the bible <--- Yes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwyZ0ji1GRU [21:07:42] You4Tube 2[Title] You aint got no pancake mix! 2[Category] Comedy 2[Duration] 0:00:45 2[Views] 1799688 2[Rating] 4.85 2[Uploaded] 2008-09-26 2[Description] http://www.wotv.com/subindex/face_of_4/contestants Click here and vote for my friend Jamie Innis if you have Pancake Mix! And invite all your friends on facebook and tell them to vote for her too. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1681558163263&set=a.1597864190966.78 [21:07:44] Viper: no I'm not. [21:07:49] thanks for clearing that up viper [21:07:52] thats what i said :D [21:07:53] but how did you know that? [21:07:54] :-D [21:08:21] God told me LOL [21:08:27] LOL [21:08:38] yes [21:08:43] ... our common friends [21:09:58] so any verterans here? [21:10:03] veterans [21:10:44] just watched the trailer. Looks like a nice movie to watch with my wife. Downloading it now. Thanks for the recommendation [21:10:53] [15:05] danf manila you have been gone for to long [15:05] I was talking to warpi [21:10:53] http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=124856850895940&set=a.124856624229296.9473.100001148771923 [21:10:54] URL Title: Logga in | Facebook (at www.facebook.com) [21:11:46] Or did you mean a veteran of an 'actual' war? :)) [21:12:05] yes you are a WW2 veteran [21:12:26] so if i washed my penis would you suck it [21:12:42] ? [21:12:43] wtf ??? [21:12:48] you dirty penis sucker [21:12:52] ,smack humanity [21:12:52] * rBOTse smacks humanity with a promotion [21:13:03] if you said no [21:13:03] no NO you stupid bot LOL [21:13:45] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KND2HBQ5Nso [21:13:46] You4Tube 2[Title] Lynyrd Skynyrd - On The Hunt 2[Category] Music 2[Duration] 0:05:30 2[Views] 201811 2[Rating] 4.93 2[Uploaded] 2008-07-10 2[Description] This is a song from the Jacksonville Florida based southern rock band, Lynyrd Skynyrd. Possibly one of the greatest bands ever. This song is a very underrated song off their 3rd studio album "Nuthin' Fancy". [21:13:56] crap wrong channel [21:14:17] movie finished downloading. Wow. that was fast. [21:15:38] Billll is a vet [21:15:47] lol [21:15:53] heh I forgot I am a vet [21:15:55] =P [21:16:14] lol [21:16:14] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzYRvaD-xkQ [21:16:15] You4Tube 2[Title] Stewie - Say Whaaaaaaat? 2[Category] Comedy 2[Duration] 0:00:02 2[Views] 360679 2[Rating] 4.80 2[Uploaded] 2009-05-05 2[Description] Stewie - Say Whaaaaaaat? [21:16:38] lol [21:16:44] veterinarian [21:19:55] *** Quits: manilaenglish (qwebirc@65CD78.254CAF.C90EAD.D7CDB8) (Quit: Page closed) [21:20:59] GHA! [21:21:00] http://imgur.com/gallery/dmLLy [21:21:01] URL Title: The Hottest Images Online - Imgur (at imgur.com) [21:21:34] NEato [21:23:51] *** Joins: Galen (qwebirc@RBOSE-aacd56e3.res.rr.com) [21:24:07] hi there [21:24:14] y0 [21:24:39] so I am a developer and found rbose [21:24:43] sounds like a awesome idea [21:25:52] first time i saw this... awesome! [21:25:52] http://www.youtube.com/user/OfficiallyRBOSE [21:25:53] URL Title: YouTube - OfficiallyRBOSEs kanal (at www.youtube.com) [21:26:29] welcome Galen :) [21:27:20] hi viper [21:30:15] *** Quits: Kimsan (Kim@RBOSE-a335de8c.cust.tele2.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [21:32:29] http://imgur.com/gallery/3Sah3 [21:32:30] URL Title: The Hottest Images Online - Imgur (at imgur.com) [21:32:33] stole him one [21:42:27] *** Quits: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-8ea26e64.cust.telenor.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [21:49:08] *** Joins: Cyclo (Cyclo@C5AB1F.517811.C1AA74.06E43B) [21:58:02] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@A96332.5202BD.911D7A.B4374F) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [21:59:30] http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-bill-gives-obama-kill-switch-to-shut-down-the-internet.html [21:59:34] URL Title: New Bill Gives Obama Kill Switch To Shut Down The Internet (at www.prisonplanet.com) [22:06:55] Hmmm.... [22:08:15] US version of Chinees FireWall [22:14:09] *** Joins: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-c9131efe.supraktv.hu) [22:16:37] *** Quits: idk (idk@RBOSE-e55ba99c.bb.online.no) (Quit: Lost terminal) [22:24:35] is the lol channel open? [22:25:12] type: /join #LoL [22:32:05] I'm sure this is just a formality, there are already many ways for the authorities to disrupt these kinds of communications technologies. [22:41:27] there is nothing to filter on TV lol [22:58:23] peace [22:58:28] *** Quits: humanity (qwebirc@E0E056.37BB12.CBB70F.F72205) (Quit: Page closed) [23:03:28] *** Quits: Diago (Diago@B38B54.5998A2.E16E97.F40687) (Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~) [23:18:36] *** Parts: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-c9131efe.supraktv.hu) [23:21:00] *** Joins: satyr (qwebirc@RBOSE-3bb93cef.sd.cox.net) [23:21:12] goot morning! [23:22:02] y0 [23:23:30] hey there [23:25:20] I feel like pizza PAN right about now [23:25:21] mmmm [23:26:14] hi there satry [23:26:28] I'm a bit new here [23:26:38] Pan pizza from Pizza Hut? Hell yeah! [23:27:11] hi there Galen you said your a developer? [23:27:49] yes I am a ubuntu developed helped out a lot in kernel programming [23:29:31] That's pretty cool, I havn't done so much with kernel development maybe a few times [23:32:43] *** Quits: Julius (Julius@psyc.RBOSE) (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.1 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) [23:32:43] -|UFO|- Julius-ZM has quit FREENODE (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.1 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) [23:37:40] *** Joins: Julius (Julius@RBOSE-0346be06.pool.digikabel.hu) [23:37:56] "What I mean by chat dump is thousands of characters of UTTERLY USELESS BLATHERING."- pitar [23:37:57] -|UFO|- Julius-ZM has joined on FREENODE [23:37:58] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Julius-ZM [23:38:29] "This is exactly what I mean when I say that I HAVE ONE HOUR OF SPARE TIME MOST DAYS, and then you turn around and call me lazy when this stuff is CLEARLY UNIMPORTANT."- pitar [23:38:52] we are having a discussion about things over here at RBEF. [23:39:14] http://rbefoundation.com/grouptopic.php?f=76&t=2380&p=19541#p19541 [23:39:16] URL Title: Nanos idea of chatbox (at rbefoundation.com) [23:39:44] Despite having a lot more time than pitar, I agree completely with his sentiments. [23:40:17] Quote: If you want me to read some useless junk like this you need to state why BEFORE I complain about it. I did state why, which was that the whole thing is a mess, and a bunch of pointless and useless blathering, mostly due to the assorted disruptions of one person. Everyone else attempts codependency style forms of social repair, which is also pointless and useless blathering. So the entire content is a disruptive person and the codep [23:41:42] * Viper lost [23:42:51] Billll I sold my turtles :/ [23:43:00] right well, take all the time you need to get your bearings. [23:43:22] I thought about getting a turtle a few times. [23:47:04] *** Joins: ciacon_ (quassel@RBOSE-abc6626d.unitymediagroup.de) [23:47:33] *** Quits: ciacon (quassel@RBOSE-abc6626d.unitymediagroup.de) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [23:48:33] sATRY LOL YOU KNOW i'M NOT GRITS RIGHT? [23:48:33] *** Billll was kicked by RBOSE (Turn caps lock OFF!) [23:48:33] *** Joins: Billll (Billll@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) [23:48:37] goddamn [23:53:57] *** Joins: test (qwebirc@46F2E4.F339D4.0C7793.735795) [23:54:13] *** Quits: test (qwebirc@46F2E4.F339D4.0C7793.735795) (Quit: Page closed) [23:54:17] calling me? [23:55:20] *** Quits: IceCat (qwebirc@IceCat.OpenSource) (Quit: Page closed) [23:56:53] Billl; no, I assume that you are Grits, if that is a faulty assumption then I look forward to hearing about it from voices i can trust. [23:57:10] Thats the problem with allowing sock puppeting. [23:57:17] Whos who? [23:57:31] Bill is not Grits [23:57:57] can i get some more witnesses ? [23:58:14] as stated in the rbef forums... [23:58:22] satyr this is a open room [23:58:23] I hear voice of Bill and Grits [23:58:27] its not same [23:58:31] yes [23:58:36] I am thei Bill [23:58:41] and if you dont belive me then i dont CARE [23:58:44] dude I was messing with people yesterday [23:59:07] pan I think this is the first time we ever talked before to my understanding [23:59:14] i have pointed out a real problem, and set the stage for a dialog about it. aside from this i have work to do and now i am going to go do it. Where i have made errors i do hope that people will clue me in. thanks for your understanding and time.