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[06:05:21] Cool now i own the moon! :D [06:07:52] :o [06:08:07] Viper: the moon is on gplv3 [06:08:34] i have patent LOL [06:08:58] :O [06:18:42] JK [06:48:00] *** Joins: TESTbot (TestBot@localhost) [06:48:00] *** Parts: TESTbot (TestBot@localhost) [06:54:32] *** Joins: Nanos (nanos.org.uk@C97B34.93ABE9.6F51D1.FC33A7) [07:00:28] *** Joins: TESTbot (TestBot@localhost) [07:00:28] *** Parts: TESTbot (TestBot@localhost) [07:07:56] *** Joins: TESTbot (TestBot@localhost) [07:07:56] *** Parts: TESTbot (TestBot@localhost) [07:15:39] *** Joins: tester (qwebirc@RBOSE-d07537d1.superkabel.de) [07:25:52] *** Joins: TESTbot (TestBot@localhost) [07:25:52] *** Parts: TESTbot (TestBot@localhost) [07:40:19] *** Joins: TESTbot (TestBot@localhost) [07:40:19] *** Parts: TESTbot (TestBot@localhost) [07:59:57] *** Joins: TESTbot (TestBot@localhost) [07:59:57] *** Parts: TESTbot (TestBot@localhost) [08:03:26] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@A96332.9941FA.4018A9.1B1722) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [08:27:05] *** Joins: Anon6050 (Anon6050@CFE6FC.12948F.537D78.0C190D) [08:27:22] Hello everyone [08:27:50] *** Joins: Naeron_1984 (Naeron_1984@RBOSE-1b7ee8d9.pool.telekom.hu) [08:28:12] *** Anon6050 is now known as Zach [08:28:48] Is the wallpaper on this chat a construction of something from venus project? [08:29:02] is anyone even in this chat room? [08:29:54] *** Quits: Zach (Anon6050@CFE6FC.12948F.537D78.0C190D) (Quit: www.RBOSE.org) [08:32:26] *** Joins: Anon9781 (Anon9781@CFE6FC.12948F.537D78.0C190D) [08:33:07] *** Parts: Anon9781 (Anon9781@CFE6FC.12948F.537D78.0C190D) [08:33:31] *** Joins: Anon9781 (Anon9781@CFE6FC.12948F.537D78.0C190D) [08:33:41] test [08:34:40] Is there ever activity in this chat? [08:34:50] Yes, usually about this kind of time. [08:35:03] It seems rather quiet today.. [08:35:38] Good to know. no one in my area has ever even heared of the films [08:36:05] What area is that if I can ask ? (London UK here.) [08:36:20] Oregon USA [08:38:02] do you think the concept of these films is catching on like it needs to? [08:38:27] or are most people to.....ignorant to understand [08:39:02] or rather scared... [08:39:04] I reckon people await the oppertunity to do something, eg. if someone builds something, people will come.. [08:39:39] i agree [08:40:55] Hence why I work on building things myself, with the ultimate aim to create communities. [08:41:53] what do you build [08:42:06] At the moment I'm working on among other things a solar vehicle, early days mind you. [08:42:27] i want to be apart of renuable energy research [08:42:47] im young, but thoes are my goals [08:43:14] I think its good to have goals. (less young here..) [08:43:38] They can take a while to realise though.. (life tends to get in the way!) [08:44:04] i feel so much resentment towards people my age who dont understand what is happening to this world [08:44:26] One of the reasons I want to build communities, so people have more time to work on things they want, rather than the daily 9 to 5 grind of work all the time. [08:44:40] exactaly [08:44:45] I can understand that somewhat, I find it rather frustating so few people want to do anything. [08:46:01] I try not to let it get me down too much, and at least lately, I have bumped into just a few others who want to do stuff too, though trying to get us all on the same page isn't particuarly easy! [08:46:25] i want to do something, but i dont know what. i feel traped. like there is nothing i can do without somehow supporting this ugly socioty i live in [08:46:26] Often folk have their own view on direction and its not common to find those views match 100%, so one is left to work with those overlap areas. [08:46:32] Indeed. [08:47:19] I don't think its easy to find these things, especially if you are short of resouces yourself. [08:47:37] *** Quits: missboty (MissBoty@shakes.her.ass.for.RBOSE) (Connection closed) [08:47:40] and that is the case [08:48:29] Also rather poor here myself, one of the reasons for a solar vehicle is it will be cheaper than the bus! [08:48:53] haha, yes [08:49:00] Also why I have an interest in money making so to speak, microfinance for example, so people can help each other, even if they don't have much money. [08:49:01] *** Joins: missboty (MissBoty@localhost) [08:49:01] *** RBOSE sets mode: +h missboty [08:49:35] Here, my girlfriend spends some $1,000 on bus fares a year, so it makes sense to me to spend that on a vehicle instead. [08:50:00] does the monetary system in UK, reflect the same principals as here in the U.S.? [08:50:07] My aim once I've built one for us, is to build another and to keep costs below that of what a bus pass would typically cost, so people choose a vehicle on cost alone. [08:50:11] I would say so. [08:50:42] My aim eventually is to see such vehicles form the backbone of a transport network, of not just people, but also freight. [08:51:07] I reckon it would be possible to lend some out for free to the unemployed to help them get jobs for example. (Eg. a percentage of ones fleet.) [08:51:33] that sounds like a very succesfull concept [08:51:46] how do these operate? [08:52:05] As I was listening to a UKZ member talk about how there was jobs near him, but not near enough to travel to. [08:52:22] velomobiles, aka pedal vehicles with solar panels, 60kg in weight. [08:52:42] have you completed one? [08:52:44] Being classified as a tricycle means no tax, mot, insurance being necessary legally. [08:52:56] Nope, in the process of design/construction, I'd say about 20% done to date. [08:53:44] Progress sadly in these things is slow.. (not helped these last few weeks with flu, followed by landlords builders covering the vehicle with rubble/rubbish.. grrr.) [08:54:27] Oh wow! [08:54:34] did they damage it? [08:54:58] Its ok, most of it is made of wood, so its quite sturdy :-) [08:55:12] *** Joins: Julius (Julius@RBOSE-946b032e.pool.digikabel.hu) [08:55:14] of wood? how interesting [08:55:15] I want to go for a high recyclable and local production type design. [08:55:23] Yes, wood is cheap! [08:55:28] -|UFO|- Julius-ZM has joined on FREENODE [08:55:29] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Julius-ZM [08:55:33] i figured it was cost effective [08:55:36] Its also light weight and easily worked, something to consider as my workshop is just my front garden.. [08:55:50] very convenient [08:55:55] Most vehicles I see designed tend to be very expensive and not affordable for the poor. [08:56:04] !morning all [08:56:05] ACTION wishes everbody in #RBOSE a wonderful morning and a great start in the day! [08:56:15] Also, a wood design lends itself more to small workshops, rather than needing a huge factory. [08:56:18] good morning, it is midnight were im located [08:56:18] Morning Julius [08:56:23] 8am here [08:56:39] so the fram is made of wood? [08:56:40] 9am here [08:56:45] frame* [08:56:56] So capital investment costs are low for start up, eg. I can start making one at a time, and if there is demand, I can make use of more workshops, rather than needing millions for a factory upfront. [08:57:07] Yes, with plywood for the bodypanels. [08:57:25] what powers it? [08:57:47] This is an example of a wooden velomobile http://www.nanos.org.uk/downloads/bravenewdawn/projects/solarvelomobile/camper.jpg (Not mine!) [08:57:57] Foot pedals and solar panels. [08:58:17] One of the issues I hear people have with electric vehicles is running out of battery power, so with mine, you can at least pedal! [08:58:24] *** Joins: JsonBot (jsonbot@RBOSE-946b032e.pool.digikabel.hu) [08:58:28] If you can afford more panels, than you can slap them on, if not, you pedal. [08:58:43] *** Parts: JsonBot (jsonbot@RBOSE-946b032e.pool.digikabel.hu) [08:59:24] makes sence. is yours similar in design to the ine in the photo? [09:00:09] A little, mine I imagine will end up a bit like it and this one http://www.nanos.org.uk/downloads/bravenewdawn/projects/solarvelomobile/woodencar.jpg (an actual production model wooden car.) [09:00:56] also solar powered? [09:01:04] Nope, thats petrol powered that car. [09:01:16] I think its about 30 or 40 years old. [09:01:37] incredible [09:01:58] One of my community building thoughts is a local forest, so wood from there can be used for say, car manufactoring, then less imports required. [09:02:15] Wood isn't unknown for vehicles, but its not very common. [09:02:39] Probably as its not a mass market material, eg. its hard to churn out a million cars made of wood. [09:02:41] i guess the only concern that comes to mind is safety [09:03:08] Yep, though it will be a little safer than no protection at all, as on your typical cycle, it won't be as good as say a Volvo. [09:03:30] Though I want to make it as safe as a I can, so things like a roll cage I'd like to do, and full harness seatbelts. [09:04:02] well and speed would definatly make the defirence in this case [09:04:08] how fast would this vehicle travel? [09:04:12] I reckon a plywood chassis would be better than the current beam design, then less splinters during an accident, but for prototype work, beams are easier to bolt together than trying to get a monoshell correct first time. [09:04:43] Legal limit under electric power is 15mph, but you could probably get it up to around 30mp to 40mph by pedal alone if you are fit. [09:05:03] Average traffic speed in London is only 9mph.. so anything much faster than that isn't really needed in practice! [09:05:20] Buses manage on average 12mph incidently here. [09:05:50] Hill climbing will be a problem I imagine, the gearing side looks rather complicated to solve.. [09:05:58] ah, if your familiar with oregon america and its driving habits than it would take some getting use to [09:06:33] But there are some nice technologies which one might be able to use if the cost is low enough, such as continuous variable transmission, magnetic gears. [09:06:56] I'm thinking its mainly a short hall vehicle, something cheaper than the bus for say your average 20 mile journey to work and back. [09:07:09] Though, I do think one might manage 100 to 200 mile range per day if you push it. [09:07:26] what would the cost be for one [09:07:40] I'm looking at under $1,000 [09:07:42] as far as production goes [09:07:45] right] [09:07:48] Retail price that is. [09:07:58] Cost price should be around 2/3 of that I reckon. [09:08:10] right [09:08:37] The idea is to build it to cost, as at $1,000 it qualfies for a government grant if you use it to go to work and they pay half the cost. [09:09:16] well i can assure you nothing like that would be available here. maybie a tax credit, but nothin subsantual [09:09:19] It maybe the modern equilivant of a model T Ford, (I rather admire Ford's efforts in various areas.) but I think it might sell on price alone. [09:09:46] that would be your major incentive right? [09:09:49] With rising fuel costs, and insurance, and problems with parking, I reckon its got a good chance. [09:09:51] Yes. [09:10:18] The reason why poor people use the bus, its cheaper than a car, they can afford it, make the vehicle cheaper still, and I think people will choose that option. [09:10:22] its sounds so wonderfull, but such a hard concept to grasp were i live [09:10:39] Is that because where you are, there are greater distances between things ? [09:10:46] very. [09:10:58] with not even public tansportation as an option [09:11:42] So one is very much stuck with a gas engine so to speak for range. [09:11:58] yes [09:12:19] Another reason I'm keen to build communities, so one can build homes very close to places of work and reduce this commuting issue we get now days. [09:12:25] my dad has designed cars to run electric [09:12:43] Nice, though I can imagine that is somewhat expensive. [09:12:43] but cost is still more expensive than buying an old gas machine [09:12:50] exactly [09:12:57] I did ponder that a little myself. [09:13:09] But here, there wouldn't really be much of a saving. [09:13:17] One particular problem we have here is parking! [09:13:28] A lightweight vehicle we can lift up and put in the front garden, is thus appealing :-) [09:13:33] right, and i could imagine for even big cities in usa too. [09:13:48] cycles don't get parking tickets either.. [09:13:58] haha. very clever [09:14:03] And can go in the bus lane :-) [09:14:09] Its all about reducing costs. [09:14:15] When we had a car, things like the price of tyres! [09:14:21] oil [09:14:23] Get a puncture, that'll be $100 for a new tyre.. [09:14:25] fluids [09:14:33] Cycle tyre, $5.. [09:14:44] Though I'm going for solid tyres, so no punctures.. [09:14:57] oh really [09:15:20] will that last as long tho? [09:15:49] I think so, the idea is to use inserts, rather than the whole tyre be solid,so you can use ordinary tyres. [09:16:01] briliant [09:16:24] were did your expertice in this begin? [09:16:48] Probably when I was about 11 and my dad being a vehicle mechanic and me getting my first cycle! [09:16:56] I'm 44 now.. [09:17:30] I've tested out various solid tyres for about 10 years on my own cycle, the compete solid tyre type, and not found they last long, or their grip is as good, hence why I'd like to use ordinary tyres with a solid insert. [09:17:47] When I say solid, its sort of spongy solid from what I can gather, rather than old fashioned solid solid! [09:18:04] right sure [09:18:07] i figured [09:18:48] but wont the rest of the vehicle still sufur from the lack of suspention from a solid tire? [09:19:17] Yes, which is why I'm trying out suspension in the vehicle as well! [09:19:32] right [09:19:47] Plus, the seating will be recumbent styled, so that may soak up some too. [09:19:57] speed bumps are a mayor issue here I find.. [09:20:06] So I'd like a vehicle that can deal with those well. [09:20:16] oh really [09:20:30] Yes, it seems every bloody road here has a dozen speed bumps! [09:20:41] haha! [09:20:49] Causes lots of issues with road wear and MPG.. [09:20:59] I'd like a community without speed bumps.. [09:21:16] Researching their effectiness, they only seem to work at the end of roads to reduce accident rates. [09:21:28] and a vehicle that doesn't need to have its speed regulated! [09:21:30] And when I say end of road, I should really say, near the end of the road.. [09:22:14] interesting, we implemnt nothing like that on are roads. [09:22:18] Well, I can see a need to keep the top speed of a vehicle below say 100mph, but from what I can gather listening to other people, its less speed kills people than stupid driving. [09:22:30] Be thankful you don't! [09:22:35] They cost a small fortune.. [09:22:44] And don't really help that much I reckon. [09:23:16] There was an interesting study done by I think the Danish showing that if you remove all the safety features on roads, people are just more careful! [09:23:16] it seem here they rather let you speed and snap a picture of your licence plate to send you a bill! [09:23:27] a bill what [09:23:29] Yes, I'd like a private community that does away with speed tickets. [09:23:47] Its all those little things that annoy average joes I'd like to see reduced. [09:23:59] right [09:24:24] Here, outside a railway station the local parking tickets, they earn more than £500,000 a year! now thats got to annoy an awful lot of people for no real benefit. [09:24:32] Good day there Billll [09:24:40] hi their nanos [09:24:46] ovcourse [09:24:49] And you'd think they would want people to use a railway station! [09:25:06] Like the rubbish laws we have here now, to help increase recycle rates.. [09:25:15] You can't throw half the stuff away you could last year.. [09:25:19] once again. people here never even relized trains are used for public transportation [09:25:33] And what happens, everyone fly tips, and that is bound to cost more to clear up and taking the rubbish in the first place. [09:25:39] !morning all [09:25:41] ACTION wishes everbody in #RBOSE a wonderful morning and a great start in the day! [09:25:43] Morning tester [09:25:50] interesting [09:25:51] Train costs are also very high here. [09:25:54] !8ball will it be a good morning? [09:25:55] tester, my 8-ball says: maybe someone can help you in the #help channel. [09:26:16] !8ball so no good morning? [09:26:17] tester, my 8-ball says: maybe our wiki can help you to find an answer. http://rbose.org/wiki [09:26:19] As such, I'd like have a go at building my own line, perhaps one of those vacuum trains. [09:26:29] 0_o [09:26:30] well your right nanos it certainly got live in here [09:26:46] A location I'm looking at community building is on an island, so at the moment we have ferries there, a train tunnel would be a nice solution. [09:27:10] Underground trains I rather like as they don't spoil the countryside. [09:27:27] very nice [09:27:33] Though steam trains are making a bit of a comeback I hear. [09:27:50] really? [09:27:57] http://5at.co.uk [09:27:59] URL Title: Home | 5AT Advanced Steam Locomotive Project (at 5at.co.uk) [09:28:32] A friend of mine has a solar powered steam engine :-) [09:29:11] Very Impresive. [09:29:21] I could see steam coming back. [09:29:52] Its something I keep an eye on. [09:30:18] I'm also a big fan of geothermal power, like to see another one of those here. [09:30:35] im overwhelemd with the information i gained from this chat. it was a pleasure chating with you nanos, and i look foward to meeting others here as well. i am getting off work and well be trying to get some sleep. but i will return soon. thank again [09:30:48] Again, something to see lower cost electric. (Going on an thought given by a UKZ person, I reckon free electric could be possible.) [09:31:02] I'm always very chatty :-) [09:31:24] i enjoyed it [09:31:27] Okie dokie, be nice to catch you again, I@m here occasionally, Bill I think is more of a regular. 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[12:20:20] and when it will? [12:21:28] *** Quits: Julius (Julius@psyc.RBOSE) (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.1 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) [12:21:28] -|UFO|- Julius-ZM has quit FREENODE (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.1 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) [12:21:34] it's propably on p1Mp s computer, and ... [12:21:44] hmmpfh.. [12:22:45] hi johnr69 and Naeron_1984 ! Welcome, i havn't seen you around here before =) [12:23:50] Guest1701: DustWolf, nickfail! ;) [12:26:40] *** Joins: scrdcow (scrdcow@866F01.DF75AF.4F603D.005D07) [12:42:48] http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/Gallo_report_vote_campaign [12:42:49] URL Title: Gallo report vote campaign - La Quadrature du Net (at www.laquadrature.net) [12:49:07] hi Caly :) [12:50:06] hi johnr69 =) Where are you from, and how did you find us? [12:50:32] <---Curious George [12:50:36] ^^ [12:51:40] I had been months since I am part of the Hungarian team. [12:52:25] Bocs, nem tökéletes az angol tudásom, ezért a Google fordítóját használom. [12:52:41] Sorry, my English is not perfect, so I use the Google translator. [12:52:44] :D [12:52:52] ah, cool. [12:52:56] <3 Technology! [12:53:02] yes [12:53:03] Hungarian team? [12:53:07] yes [12:53:29] of what? [12:53:33] TZM? [12:53:43] or some Open Source Project? [12:53:54] Unfortunately, few of us, and the translators can not cope with the materials to be translated. [12:54:02] TZM [12:54:06] ah, ok. [12:54:39] Oh, i see, been there, i translated half the movement guide. [12:55:00] Althou i left TZM entirely to it's destiny since then. [12:55:08] *** Mecha is now known as Antilect [12:55:11] ZG Hungary on the Web site has stepped into the chat room, it is not met. [12:56:04] Hmm... try that last part in other words... [12:57:29] johnr69: type this: /join #rbose.hu [12:57:45] ok [12:57:47] thx [12:58:00] there are som people from Hungary there [12:58:10] i hope [12:58:34] I know. [12:58:41] =) [12:59:05] but feel free to keep talking here also! [13:00:07] Where are you from? [13:05:53] *** Parts: johnr69 (johnr69@RBOSE-88c1979e.catv.broadband.hu) [13:40:18] *** Joins: Kebap_ (c3f5f304@RBOSE-cac81362.mibbit.com) [13:46:04] *** Joins: CS442 (b83b88d6@RBOSE-2873bcdb.mibbit.com) [13:50:02] *** Quits: CS442 (b83b88d6@RBOSE-2873bcdb.mibbit.com) (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [13:50:11] *** Joins: OSE732 (b83b88d6@RBOSE-2873bcdb.mibbit.com) [13:51:03] *** Quits: OSE732 (b83b88d6@RBOSE-2873bcdb.mibbit.com) (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [13:54:05] *** Joins: OSE701 (b83b88d6@RBOSE-2873bcdb.mibbit.com) [13:54:44] *** Quits: OSE701 (b83b88d6@RBOSE-2873bcdb.mibbit.com) (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [13:54:58] hey guys [13:55:04] hi [13:57:38] o/ [13:59:26] hey Caly [13:59:35] just shot a e-mail to the OSE guy [14:00:10] if you see anybody "new" in here it maybe them or if you see someone with the name "oserandomnubers" it may be them [14:05:17] oh, cool! [14:08:05] Billll: i guess those CS442 / OSE732 / OSE701 were them then [14:08:21] and if so, why did they not stay? [14:08:41] it was the same user btw [14:10:05] *** Joins: obst (obst6@RBOSE-83d0ea30.kimsufi.com) [14:20:32] no that was me [14:20:39] testing out mibbit on here [14:21:06] RBOSE IRC chat is down I made a mibbit thing for them to conect to with the webclient [14:21:07] weiii [14:21:52] Caly I'm interested in helping out with OSE if a programming sense and design sense as well as a idea sense as well :D [14:22:11] I read the zeitgest newsletter looked like he's in need of help [14:22:21] mkay? [14:22:34] The dude who is the owenr of the project wrote in the newsletter that he needs some help [14:22:48] in the TZM newsletter? [14:22:53] yup [14:23:01] poor bastard... ok. [14:23:50] oh what LOL [14:23:57] *** Joins: Tuohimetsa (Mouho1@RBOSE-acec1f1c.yok.fi) [14:23:58] http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/Oct-Nov-2010.pdf <-- right there [14:24:20] hi touh [14:25:00] I picked up the newsletter in the hungarian irc chan :D [14:38:04] Billl: I made a mibbit thing for them to conect to with the webclient <-- show us :) [14:38:21] whats OSE anyway? [14:39:35] open source ... ecology? [14:42:40] yeah [14:42:44] nice newsletter [14:43:09] (apart from pj not having time for it lol) [14:56:32] Kebap wait up [14:56:49] http://wbe01.mibbit.com/?server=viper.rbose.org:6670&nick=OSE%3F%3F%3F&channel=%23rbose&settings=c76462e5055bace06e32d325963b39f2 <-- this be it [14:56:50] URL Title: Mibbit IRC client widget (at wbe01.mibbit.com) [14:56:51] Billll's URL: http://xrl.us/bh8q4h [14:57:38] if they connect it should log them in as "OSEanynumberhere" [15:03:24] *** Joins: OSE959 (b83b88d6@RBOSE-2873bcdb.mibbit.com) [15:03:40] meh I'm not worried about PJ he pulls his answers out of his ass anyways [15:03:41] =P [15:03:53] *** Joins: OSE23 (c3f5f304@RBOSE-2873bcdb.mibbit.com) [15:03:59] nice [15:04:03] yup [15:04:04] hey [15:04:07] this is mibbit [15:04:13] you can watch youtubes in mibbit [15:04:35] *** Quits: OSE23 (c3f5f304@RBOSE-2873bcdb.mibbit.com) (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [15:04:50] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iFFD-a7Qig [15:04:51] You4Tube 2[Title] Solar Panel Construction 1 - Open Source Ecology 2[Category] Education 2[Duration] 0:01:09 2[Views] 48596 2[Rating] 4.24 2[Uploaded] 2008-07-21 2[Description] This shows how to solder solar cell ribbon to solar cells. Part 1. For more information, see http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=235 See more info about constructing our solar panels here: http://openfarmtech.org/index.php?title=Solar_Panels_at_Facto [15:04:59] click that it should open on the right side [15:06:11] i cant use youtube here [15:06:18] nope [15:06:20] in mibbit u can [15:06:23] weeii [15:06:28] ok [15:06:43] but there is a buntch of stuff with irc one can do :D [15:07:06] *** Quits: OSE959 (b83b88d6@RBOSE-2873bcdb.mibbit.com) (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [15:08:54] billll, can you add some info about OSE to our wiki? [15:09:11] I think we have some to be honest [15:09:13] let me check [15:09:46] hhmm I guess not i could of sworn we did [15:09:55] I'll post in some stuff [15:10:00] i only found a link in the list of open projects [15:10:05] right on, thx [15:10:55] rly [15:11:05] I used the rbose search hrrmmm [15:12:41] i see now [15:18:16] *** Joins: pettter (pettter@RBOSE-7f618867.acc.umu.se) [15:18:49] *** Joins: FAT64 (herp@RBOSE-e81b0980.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [15:21:09] *** Joins: Haseldow (haseldow@RBOSE-923f1e8f.ipredate.net) [15:44:13] *** Joins: halott (halott@RBOSE-ff289252.pool.t-online.hu) [15:49:27] *** Joins: Julius (Julius@RBOSE-946b032e.pool.digikabel.hu) [15:49:41] -|UFO|- Julius-ZM has joined on FREENODE [15:49:42] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Julius-ZM [15:52:15] *** Joins: casti (casti@RBOSE-2383c724.adsl.alicedsl.de) [16:01:38] *** Joins: Diago (Diago@B38B54.5998A2.113493.A7F33F) [16:11:06] *** Quits: Kebap (kebap@rbose.org) (pms.rbose.org viper.rbose.org) [16:11:06] *** Quits: |UFO| (UFO@Unidentified.Flying.Object) (pms.rbose.org viper.rbose.org) [16:11:06] *** Quits: kalken (default@RBOSE-82361fa9.bredband.comhem.se) (pms.rbose.org viper.rbose.org) [16:11:06] *** Quits: God (God@NetAdmin.RBOSE) (pms.rbose.org viper.rbose.org) [16:11:06] *** Quits: devbot (devbot@95C381.640000.C5F451.239D7F) (pms.rbose.org viper.rbose.org) [16:11:06] *** Quits: p1Mp (Pestilenc@RBOSE-e3bd96cf.cust.blixtvik.se) (pms.rbose.org viper.rbose.org) [16:13:24] *** Quits: Viper (Viper@NetAdmin.RBOSE) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [16:13:57] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCM7rMIqxmk [16:13:58] You4Tube 2[Title] Max Keiser: Crash JP Morgan - Buy Silver! 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 0:01:23 2[Views] 20752 2[Rating] 4.96 2[Uploaded] 2010-11-17 2[Description] Max Keiser - financial analyst and host of RT's Keiser Report - has launched a viral campaign to bring down JP Morgan - dubbed by Keiser as main global financial terrorists. RT on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/RTnews RT on Twitter: http://twitter.com/RT_com [16:14:31] *** Joins: Kebap (kebap@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) [16:15:16] Caly: checking [16:16:57] :-) [16:17:05] Where to buy? [16:17:17] dunno xD [16:17:38] propably varies on nation and system [16:19:14] *** Joins: kalken (default@RBOSE-6c28bb18.bredband.comhem.se) [16:21:04] *** Joins: p1Mp (Pestilenc@RBOSE-2381b6af.cust.blixtvik.se) [16:25:03] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scrwfvoleXw [16:25:04] You4Tube 2[Title] Jim Carrey Spiritual Awakening - DMT Experience He is In The Know 2[Category] Education 2[Duration] 0:02:34 2[Views] 169150 2[Rating] 4.90 2[Uploaded] 2010-02-28 2[Description] Jim Carrey Spiritual Awakening - DMT Experience He is In The Know! At least i know now where i wanna go & wann take as much people with me. Break the cycle! Listen to what your gut instinct is telling you right now - [16:41:13] *** Joins: kman (erik@RBOSE-d0fb07bb.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [16:42:49] nice video http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/2010/07/economy-in-a-box-presentation-report/ [16:44:04] *** Joins: Viper (Viper@RBOSE-3511f9dc.static.versatel.nl) [16:45:51] *** Joins: |UFO| (UFO@localhost) [16:45:54] *** RBOSE sets mode: +h |UFO| [16:47:00] -|UFO|- |UFO| has joined on FREENODE [16:47:01] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +o |UFO| [17:01:08] *** Joins: Se7en11 (Se7en11@RBOSE-8d80232c.vodafone.hu) [17:16:37] *** Quits: Kebap_ (c3f5f304@RBOSE-cac81362.mibbit.com) (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [17:33:46] *** Quits: Se7en11 (Se7en11@RBOSE-8d80232c.vodafone.hu) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [17:48:33] *** Joins: Cyclo (Cyclo@C5AB1F.517811.C1AA74.06E43B) [17:48:34] *** Joins: Cyclo_ (Cyclo@C5AB1F.517811.C1AA74.06E43B) [17:49:22] *** Quits: Cyclo (Cyclo@C5AB1F.517811.C1AA74.06E43B) (Quit: Leaving) [17:49:49] si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes [17:52:20] *** Cyclo_ is now known as Cyclo [17:54:57] *** Joins: Absalom (xxx@RBOSE-32c2aa3d.bredband.comhem.se) [18:02:51] *** Quits: Ades (andersburlin@DECF35.678AB9.8725C0.319809) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [18:18:10] hi Everyone! [18:19:46] Hi lukas! :-) [18:20:25] how are you doing today Julius? [18:27:52] lukas: I'm fine. And you? [18:28:22] hey guys [18:28:29] viper your webchat is down [18:28:33] hi DNS :D [18:28:34] Hey DNS! :-) [18:28:39] hi :) [18:29:12] Yeah trying to start it only http works [18:29:37] sorry guys server was down i lost power today for a short time [18:29:52] yea the redirectsions are dead too since only ssl [18:30:14] cant make a port 80 redirection with no.ip.org on https [18:31:35] what about the webchat? [18:31:38] should i start it on https or http? [18:31:49] its down again [18:31:55] i find the optuion better without ssl [18:32:04] *option [18:32:11] but thats my opinion [18:32:20] of course ssl is nice too, but only ssl hm [18:32:36] ok i start it No ssl [18:33:01] i cant start it with ssl too [18:33:05] dunno why lol [18:33:24] portbused? [18:33:26] oops [18:33:31] *port used? [18:33:35] 9090 [18:33:44] yup [18:33:54] its running now with no SSL so just http port 9090 [18:34:14] *** Joins: IceCat (qwebirc@localhost) [18:34:22] :D [18:34:54] Viper, maybe there is an old file with pid of old process still running or something like that [18:34:58] !dance IceCat [18:34:59] ACTION shakes her ass and shows the Mambo with IceCat in #RBOSE. [18:35:13] i check it [18:35:23] there was nothing running as qwebirc [18:35:54] hm maybe some cache then [18:35:59] caches can be bitches [18:36:01] sorry, not "still running" but still remaining [18:36:05] :x [18:36:23] umm [18:36:44] should i start webchat on ssl? [18:37:18] we can make a vote on that lol [18:37:44] well i dont care, i can make the port 80 redirections also for pests webchat [18:38:16] just let me kn0w [18:41:34] Viper: pls don't use ssl [18:42:02] i will run 2 webchast ssl and no ssl [18:42:13] no SSL one is up and running :D [18:43:03] Julius: http://pest.rbose.org:9090 is already without ssl if you didnt see :) [18:43:20] oh [18:43:26] lol its not started [18:43:31] blame me :x [18:43:48] DNS: http://webchat.rbose.org:9090/?channels=RBOSE [18:43:53] *** Joins: FireCat (qwebirc@localhost) [18:43:59] o_0 [18:44:01] this one doesn't work [18:44:07] hi FireCat [18:44:21] Hey Caly :) [18:44:33] hi Viper [18:44:37] zup? [18:45:30] fine thanks, you? [18:45:48] hungry! [18:46:07] ^^ Thinkig of going for pizza...! [18:46:07] hehe [18:46:16] Julius: its workin now again [18:46:29] Listening to Jan Johansson and chilling [18:46:38] also http://pest.rbose.org:9090/?channels=RBOSE [18:46:38] URL Title: RBOSENet Web IRC (qwebirc) (at pest.rbose.org:9090) [18:46:43] same :> [18:46:49] DNS: yes, it is perfect, thanks a lot man! [18:46:57] keep it in #developers u guys... [18:46:59] no problemo [18:47:03] ,9 [18:47:03] Caly: Error: "9" is not a valid command. [18:47:10] !globalban Caly [18:47:11] ACTION globalbans Caly to an unknown place in an unknown time with an unknown script from an unknown author for an unknown reason. [18:47:12] :X [18:47:32] >.< [18:50:38] !globalban DNS [18:50:39] ACTION globalbans DNS to an unknown place in an unknown time with an unknown script from an unknown author for an unknown reason. [18:50:40] :D [18:50:50] :o [18:50:54] !globalban [18:50:55] ACTION globalbans DNS with a timemachine, setted to 20.12.2012. 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[20:44:06] *** Joins: pax (pax@RBOSE-03c82b66.dip.t-dialin.net) [20:44:30] heya [20:45:07] just in case you have not noticed yet: http://www.bankrun2010.com/ [20:45:09] URL Title: - bankrun2010.com redirected by MyOwn (at www.bankrun2010.com) [20:45:21] Hmmm.... [20:47:25] *** Joins: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-894cf318.cust.telenor.se) [20:50:14] *** Joins: pepe (qwebirc@RBOSE-902c4639.pool.t-online.hu) [21:03:56] Hey and ty pax :) [21:04:14] hi viper [21:11:21] *** Joins: Cyclo (Cyclo@C5AB1F.517811.C1AA74.06E43B) [21:18:24] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULJDdp0GFsM&feature=player_embedded [21:18:25] You4Tube 2[Title] Barcelona Exopolitics Summit Speakers Panel, moderated by Project Camelot, 23 July 2009 - Part 1/2 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 1:23:27 2[Views] 38305 2[Rating] 4.88 2[Uploaded] 2009-08-09 2[Description] Barcelona Exopolitics Summit Speakers Panel, moderated by Project Camelot, 23 July 2009 - Part 1/2 Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot introduce and moderate a wide-ranging discussion at the B [21:19:29] *** Quits: halott (halott@RBOSE-ff289252.pool.t-online.hu) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [21:25:04] http://vimeo.com/15165021 [21:25:05] URL Title: 9-11 Case Reopened-New Evidence and Unanswered Questions on Vimeo (at vimeo.com) [21:29:02] *** Quits: Cyclo (Cyclo@C5AB1F.517811.C1AA74.06E43B) (Quit: Leaving) [21:34:16] *** Quits: johnr69 (qwebirc@RBOSE-88c1979e.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [21:41:07] ,quote random [21:41:07] GhettoTux: Quote #28: "Escape the Gates of hell. Use Linux. ~ Winfried Trümper" (added by dns at 02:19 AM, August 04, 2010) [21:41:12] ,quote random [21:41:12] GhettoTux: Quote #89: "You can fool some people some time, but you can't fool all the people all the time. ~ Bob Marley" (added by Kebap at 06:33 PM, August 05, 2010) [21:41:19] ,quote random [21:41:19] GhettoTux: Quote #37: "Supercomputers will achieve one human brain capacity by 2010, and personal computers will do so by about 2020. ~ Ray Kurzweil" (added by dns at 02:04 PM, August 04, 2010) [21:41:27] ,quote random [21:41:27] GhettoTux: Quote #69: "Art is I; science is we. ~ Claude Bernard" (added by dns at 11:57 PM, August 04, 2010) [21:41:35] ,quote random [21:41:35] GhettoTux: Quote #87: "Get up, stand up, Stand up for your rights. Get up, stand up, Don't give up the fight. ~ Bob Marley" (added by dns at 03:48 PM, August 05, 2010) [21:41:42] ,quote random [21:41:42] GhettoTux: Quote #110: "Remember kids: brush your greens, eat your teeth, stay in milk, drink your school, don't do sleep, and get your eight hours of drugs!" (added by Kebap at 08:52 PM, August 12, 2010) [21:41:51] *** Quits: pax (pax@RBOSE-03c82b66.dip.t-dialin.net) (Quit: THE MATTRESS HAS ME!) [21:41:59] ,quote random [21:41:59] GhettoTux: Quote #72: "The World would be a safer place, If someone had a plan, Before exploring Outer Space, To find the Inner Man. ~ E. Y. Harburg" (added by dns at 12:06 AM, August 05, 2010) [21:42:21] ,quote random [21:42:21] GhettoTux: Quote #36: "The real danger is not that computers will begin to think like men, but that men will begin to think like computers. ~ Sydney J. Harris" (added by dns at 02:03 PM, August 04, 2010) [21:42:32] ,quote random [21:42:32] GhettoTux: Quote #113: "there will come a day when everybody can see my ugly face :D ~ kalken" (added by dns at 05:25 PM, August 23, 2010) [21:42:40] Hahaha [21:42:46] hahaha [21:42:56] That was random :D [21:43:06] loool [21:44:35] *** Quits: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-894cf318.cust.telenor.se) (Connection closed) [21:44:47] ,quote random [21:44:47] GhettoTux: Quote #65: "My wife converted me to religion. I never believed in hell until I married her. ~ Hal Roach" (added by dns at 11:05 PM, August 04, 2010) [21:44:55] ,quote random [21:44:55] GhettoTux: Quote #16: "Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination embraces the entire world, stimulating progress, giving birth to evolution. ~ Albert Einstein" (added by dns at 10:59 PM, August 03, 2010) [21:44:58] *** Joins: ciacon_ (quassel@RBOSE-abc6626d.unitymediagroup.de) [21:46:28] *** Quits: ciacon (quassel@RBOSE-3418ae81.unitymediagroup.de) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [21:50:04] !m [21:50:06] [4] users online @ RBOSE's Mumble: (for Mumble help, type: ?? mumble) [21:50:08] [4] RBOSE Dev Meeting: DNS, kalken, lukas, Viper [22:13:32] !music [22:13:34] RANDOM: Copyleft Records provides all of their artists' music to everyone for free. http://copyleft-records.com/ [22:23:30] *** Quits: ciacon_ (quassel@RBOSE-abc6626d.unitymediagroup.de) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [22:24:11] *** Joins: ciacon (quassel@RBOSE-abc6626d.unitymediagroup.de) [22:25:48] *** Quits: kman (erik@RBOSE-d0fb07bb.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [22:28:52] *** Joins: ciacon_ (quassel@RBOSE-abc6626d.unitymediagroup.de) [22:29:13] *** Quits: ciacon (quassel@RBOSE-abc6626d.unitymediagroup.de) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [22:31:56] DNS: I need to help a friend with some ubuntu issues and have no idea how to guide him. Which is the easiest way for me to take control over his computer? :) [22:34:14] with a vnc [22:34:24] or just ssh access [22:34:33] but with vnc you can see whole desktop [22:34:52] i mean a GUI [22:37:27] then it is vnc [22:38:26] ubuntu has this installed on deafult [22:38:32] you just have to enable that [22:38:37] !w vnc [22:38:45] Wikipedia Error: Sorry, no search results found. [22:38:48] :o [22:39:07] !g ubuntu vnc [22:39:09] 1,480,000 results | VNC - Community Ubuntu Documentation @ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC | VNC/Servers - Community Ubuntu Documentation @ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers | VNC/Clients - Community Ubuntu Documentation @ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Clients [22:50:07] *** Quits: Grits (Grits@RBOSE-512d31d6.shawneelink.net) (Client closed the connection) [22:52:16] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KeR3yMZi0g [22:52:17] You4Tube 2[Title] Amazing JFK Speech! He Tells you The Truth! 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 0:10:59 2[Views] 47198 2[Rating] 4.87 2[Uploaded] 2009-05-17 2[Description] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_grove Official footage as admitted by Wikipedia in the above link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbCWnp-kKL0 This video shows you from the word's of JFK himself that there is a force working right now to conceal the truth [23:04:02] *** Quits: lundburgerr-TZM (lundburgerr@5048B2.E9D5BE.E339CA.C53C66) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [23:10:51] *** Quits: Diago (Diago@B38B54.890583.F237E4.F57A4C) (Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~) [23:32:59] -|UFO|- Kebap23 has joined on FREENODE [23:33:00] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Kebap23 [23:35:33] -|UFO|- Kebap_23 has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [23:41:31] *** Quits: Absalom (xxx@RBOSE-32c2aa3d.bredband.comhem.se) (Quit: ) [23:43:00] *** Quits: csitrang (qwebirc@RBOSE-ffcfe5a7.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [23:46:16] *** Quits: Naeron_1984 (Naeron_1984@RBOSE-1b7ee8d9.pool.telekom.hu) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [23:48:21] *** Joins: faresz (qwebirc@RBOSE-49ecfcd1.catv.broadband.hu)