[00:00:43] *** Joins: pax (pax@RBOSE-a9c0b66f.dip.t-dialin.net) [00:01:02] *** Quits: pax (pax@RBOSE-a9c0b66f.dip.t-dialin.net) (Connection closed) [00:01:34] Grits, that problem with go0gle is fixed now [00:02:19] cool [00:08:14] *** Joins: tomkanga (qwebirc@RBOSE-a5a358b1.vodafone.hu) [00:11:10] *** Quits: tomkanga (qwebirc@RBOSE-a5a358b1.vodafone.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [00:11:50] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HB_L1cnCqs&feature=related [00:11:51] You4Tube 2[Title] Nigel Farage shows Barroso 'true state of the Union' 2[Category] Nonprofit 2[Duration] 0:06:58 2[Views] 73740 2[Rating] 4.91 2[Uploaded] 2010-09-07 2[Description] ► European Parliament, Strasbourg - 7 September 2010 ► Speakers: Nigel Farage MEP, UKIP, Co-President of the EFD group; President of the EU Commission José Manuel Barroso ► Debate: 'State of the Union' address by the President of the EU C [00:12:01] i'm startin to really like this man! [00:15:45] fuckin ey! [00:18:00] AWESOME video! WOW ! <--- which one? [00:20:27] Grits, would you like to build the biggest building in the world? [00:20:48] now you have been approached too ;) [00:20:50] lukas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyq7WRr_GPg [00:20:51] You4Tube 2[Title] 'The Euro Game Is Up! Who the hell do you think you are?' - Nigel Farage MEP 2[Category] Nonprofit 2[Duration] 0:03:30 2[Views] 173568 2[Rating] 4.93 2[Uploaded] 2010-11-24 2[Description] ► European Parliament, Strasbourg - 24 November 2010 ► Speaker: Nigel Farage MEP, UKIP, Co-President of the EFD group; .................................. ► Debate: European Council and Commission statements - Conc [00:21:01] thanks Caly :) [00:26:19] haha "In 1999 the BBC spent four months filming a documentary about his European elections campaign but didn't show it. Farage, then head of UKIP's South East office, asked for a video and got friends to make illegal copies which were sold for 5 through the UKIP magazine. Surrey Trading Standards investigated and Farage has admitted the offence." [00:26:49] i wonder what the BBC got paid to not show it xD [00:29:40] "During the spring of 2005, Farage requested that the European Commission disclose where the individual Commissioners had spent their holidays. The Commission did not provide the information requested, on the basis that the Commissioners had a right of privacy. The German newspaper Die Welt reported that the President of the European Commission, Jos Manuel Barroso had spent a week on the yacht of the Greek shipping billionaire Spiro Latsis [00:29:40] . It emerged soon afterwards that this had occurred a month before the Commission under Barroso's predecessor Romano Prodi approved 10.3 million euro of Greek state aid for Latsis' shipping company.[24] It also became known that Peter Mandelson, then a member of the Commission, had accepted a trip to Jamaica from an unrevealed source." [00:29:55] Fucking corrupted bastards. [00:31:37] "In January 2007, the French farmers' leader Joseph Daul was elected the new leader of the European People's PartyEuropean Democrats (EPP-ED), the European Parliamentary grouping which then included the British Conservatives. The UK Independence Party almost immediately revealed that Daul had been under judicial investigation in France since 2004 as part of an inquiry into the alleged misuse of public funds worth 16 million (10.6 mil [00:31:37] lion) by French farming unions."[27] It was not suggested that Daul had personally benefited, but was accused of "complicity and concealment of the abuse of public funds." Daul accused Farage of publicising the investigation for political reasons and threatened to sue Farage, but did not do so though the court dropped all charges against him." 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If anybody needs help, type !help [05:05:50] *** Phantom is now known as Viper [05:31:38] hi Viper :) [05:36:06] hi [05:38:38] :) [06:27:30] hiya viper [06:27:34] weeii [07:20:31] *** Quits: BranManFloMizzle (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [07:20:35] *** Quits: Kebap (kebap@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [07:21:11] *** Quits: Billll (Billll@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [07:41:27] *** Joins: Kebap (kebap@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) [07:41:43] *** Joins: Billll (Billll@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) [07:42:15] *** Joins: BranManFloMizzle (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) [08:33:26] *** Quits: Billll (Billll@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [08:33:26] *** Quits: BranManFloMizzle (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [08:33:28] *** Quits: Kebap (kebap@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [08:45:20] *** Joins: faresz (qwebirc@RBOSE-49ecfcd1.catv.broadband.hu) [09:05:45] *** Joins: Julius (Julius@RBOSE-fb89d19f.pool.digikabel.hu) [09:06:00] -|UFO|- Julius-ZM has joined on FREENODE [09:06:01] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Julius-ZM [09:10:26] http://www.truththeory.org/secret-history-of-the-credit-card [09:10:30] URL Title: Secret History of the Credit Card | Watch Free Documentary Online (at www.truththeory.org) [09:10:39] !morning all [09:10:41] ACTION wishes everybody in #RBOSE a wonderful morning and a great start in the day! [09:11:33] GOOD MORNING! [09:11:42] it's 21 but sure [09:18:32] -|UFO|- Kebap23 has joined on FREENODE [09:18:33] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Kebap23 [09:24:44] -|UFO|- Kebap23 has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [09:44:46] good night all :) [09:46:30] *** Joins: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-b892627d.pool.telekom.hu) [09:47:48] *** Joins: anne (anne@RBOSE-21ba0981.adsl.tpnet.pl) [09:48:07] !morning all [09:48:07] ACTION wishes everybody in #RBOSE a wonderful morning and a great start in the day! [09:50:16] !morning RBOSE [09:50:17] ACTION wishes RBOSE a Good Morning :-) (And not only because Viper requested that) [09:50:22] :D [09:51:14] !morning everybody [09:51:15] ACTION wishes everybody in #RBOSE a wonderful morning and a great start in the day! [09:51:40] !morning anybody [09:51:41] ACTION would like to say Good Morning to anybody, but missboty dont knows where anybody is, and can only speak to Viper or someone who is online in #RBOSE [09:51:41] hehe [09:52:31] Viper do you know architect Jurij Ryntovt from Dnietropietrovsk? [09:52:48] umm no [09:52:51] hi anne [09:52:51] do you have link for me? [09:52:54] !w Jurij Ryntovt [09:52:56] There were no results matching the query. [09:53:03] !g Jurij Ryntovt [09:53:06] 4 results | Teljes oldalas fax @ http://www.e-epites.hu/768 | Co tajne żony kandydatów na prezydenta? @ http://www.realt5000.com.ua/news/utf/pl/1209065/ | Selected Blog Posts - Blog Top Sites @ http://www.blogtopsites.com/post/selected/page_8.html [09:53:18] 0_o [09:53:34] !blog Jurij Ryntovt [09:53:36] Your search - Jurij Ryntovt - did not match any documents. [09:54:32] maybe jurij Ryntov? [09:54:33] !g Yurij Ryntovt [09:54:35] 218 results | Did you mean: Yuriy Ryntovt | RYNTOVT DESIGN @ http://www.ryntovt.com/ | Home Trend Yuri Ryntovt » Home Interior Ideas, Home Decorating ... @ http://www.hometrendesign.com/trends/yuri-ryntovt [09:57:56] http://www.archdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/1267709035-dn14-528x351.jpg [09:58:03] hmm [09:58:42] interesting [09:59:26] http://www.archdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/1267709024-dn001-1000x666.jpg [10:00:05] http://www.archdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/1267709115-dn24-1000x666.jpg [10:00:29] http://www.archdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/1267709209-dn40-1000x666.jpg [10:00:48] looks intersting anne [10:03:57] !g Tyin [10:03:59] 218,000 results | TYIN tegnestue @ http://www.tyintegnestue.no/ | Tyin - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary @ http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tyin | Tyin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyin [10:05:28] sorry i need to go see you later [10:10:57] bye anne! :) [10:14:07] *** Quits: anne (anne@RBOSE-21ba0981.adsl.tpnet.pl) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [10:14:21] *** Joins: anne (anne@RBOSE-d57c33a8.adsl.tpnet.pl) [10:14:45] !g Peter Rich [10:14:48] 69,700,000 results | Rich Architects Home on the Web @ http://www.peterricharchitects.co.za/ | peter rich architects: mapungubwe interpretation center, south africa @ http://www.designboom.com/weblog/cat/9/view/8082/peter-rich-architects-mapungubwe-interpretation-center-south-africa.html | McDermott - Biographies - J. Peter Rich @ [10:14:49] http://www.mwe.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/bios.detail/object_id/6930b652-8496-4588-b658-bccbfc8ee5c0.cfm [10:15:08] !w peter rich [10:15:11] Rich Dubee | Richard Peter Dubee, Jr. (b. October 19, 1957 in Brockton, Massachusetts) is the Philadelphia Phillies' pitching coach. The 2009 season will be Dubee's ninth season in the Phillies organization, and fifth at his current job. Dubee began his coaching career with the Kansas City Royals in 1982. He has since coached the Florida Marlins and several minor league teams. Before coaching, Dubee was [10:15:12] selected in the third round of the 1976 draft by the Royals. He pitched six years in the Royals system and finished his career 45-49 with a 4.07 ERA and twenty-six complete games. Dubee married Maureen Carroll on February 18, 1979. They have two children, Megan (2/23/83) and Michael (1/12/86). Michael was drafted and signed @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Dubee [10:15:17] 0_o [10:15:23] !g "peter rich" [10:15:26] 32,900 results | Rich Architects Home on the Web @ http://www.peterricharchitects.co.za/ | peter rich architects: mapungubwe interpretation center, south africa @ http://www.designboom.com/weblog/cat/9/view/8082/peter-rich-architects-mapungubwe-interpretation-center-south-africa.html | McDermott - Biographies - J. 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[13:07:09] -|UFO|- disconnected from FREENODE: Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Excess Flood) [13:07:28] *** DustWolf is now known as Guest47595 [13:07:30] -|UFO|- |UFO| has joined on FREENODE [13:07:31] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +o |UFO| [13:07:34] *** Joins: FAT64 (herp@RBOSE-e81b0980.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [13:07:37] *** Joins: comotion (preston@RBOSE-f90c9e66.177.getinternet.no) [13:07:38] *** Joins: GhettoTux (martin@RBOSE-e81b0980.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [13:08:15] *** Joins: scrdcow (scrdcow@866F01.DF75AF.4F603D.005D07) [13:08:27] *** Joins: Haseldow (haseldow@RBOSE-142ebef1.ipredate.net) [13:08:39] *** GhettoTux is now known as Guest11761 [13:09:00] *** Joins: pettter (pettter@RBOSE-7f618867.acc.umu.se) [13:10:03] *** Joins: p1Mp (Pestilenc@RBOSE-2381b6af.cust.blixtvik.se) [13:10:28] *** Joins: Absalom (Absalom@RBOSE-32c2aa3d.bredband.comhem.se) [13:11:02] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-d4b8b615.bredband.skanova.com) [13:11:16] -|UFO|- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [13:11:17] -|UFO|- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Changing host) [13:11:18] -|UFO|- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [13:11:19] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Calyp [13:12:17] -|UFO|- |UFO| has joined on FREENODE [13:12:18] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +o |UFO| [13:17:01] *** Quits: missboty (MissBoty@shakes.her.ass.for.RBOSE) (Connection closed) [13:18:18] *** Joins: lundburgerr-TZM (lundburgerr@5048B2.E9D5BE.E339CA.C53C66) [13:19:05] *** Joins: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-b892627d.pool.telekom.hu) [13:19:06] *** Joins: JsonBot (jsonbot@RBOSE-fb89d19f.pool.digikabel.hu) [13:19:10] *** Joins: missboty (MissBoty@localhost) [13:19:11] *** RBOSE sets mode: +h missboty [13:19:41] *** Joins: Julius (Julius@RBOSE-fb89d19f.pool.digikabel.hu) [13:22:06] *** Parts: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-b892627d.pool.telekom.hu) [13:22:48] *** Joins: SoNeta (piespy@RBOSE-3511f9dc.static.versatel.nl) [13:24:42] o/ [13:27:32] \o [13:29:30] -|UFO|- mode change by |UFO| on FREENODE: +vvv Mecha2 duxck_ kalken [13:32:14] Phantom: DID YOU SEE THIS? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyq7WRr_GPg [13:32:15] You4Tube 2[Title] 'The Euro Game Is Up! Who the hell do you think you are?' - Nigel Farage MEP 2[Category] Nonprofit 2[Duration] 0:03:30 2[Views] 204017 2[Rating] 4.93 2[Uploaded] 2010-11-24 2[Description] ► European Parliament, Strasbourg - 24 November 2010 ► Speaker: Nigel Farage MEP, UKIP, Co-President of the EFD group; .................................. ► Debate: European Council and Commission statements - Conc [13:38:41] When men yield up the privilege of thinking, the last shadow of Liberty quits the horizon. [13:38:41] - Thomas Paine [13:39:45] Yeah great video [13:40:20] Idiots there [13:40:39] they dont give a shit about any one [13:40:46] only bankers [13:42:59] fuck euro Project and UN hehe [13:43:05] Nice song at the end :D [13:44:41] *** Guest47595 is now known as DustWolf [13:45:02] Hi guys [13:45:04] anyone around? [13:45:16] Hey DustWolf :) [13:45:20] :) [13:45:28] sup? [13:45:30] welcome back hehe [13:45:42] just watching again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyq7WRr_GPg [13:45:43] You4Tube 2[Title] 'The Euro Game Is Up! Who the hell do you think you are?' - Nigel Farage MEP 2[Category] Nonprofit 2[Duration] 0:03:30 2[Views] 204017 2[Rating] 4.93 2[Uploaded] 2010-11-24 2[Description] ► European Parliament, Strasbourg - 24 November 2010 ► Speaker: Nigel Farage MEP, UKIP, Co-President of the EFD group; .................................. ► Debate: European Council and Commission statements - Conc [13:47:07] *** Quits: kman (erik@RBOSE-d0fb07bb.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [13:47:13] in a way I've always been here ;p [13:47:15] but yeah [13:47:18] life intervened [13:48:38] yeah as Guest hehe [13:48:57] any idea where I could find venux? [13:50:15] or maybe you can help me xP [13:50:26] working on webdev by chance? xP [13:50:41] you can finde him on rbef [13:50:49] ahh right [13:50:53] knew something was off [13:50:55] xP [13:51:34] *** Joins: Kebap (kebap@RBOSE-e84a3066.adsl.alicedsl.de) [13:51:53] test [13:52:03] !morning [13:52:04] works [13:52:05] ACTION wishes Kebap a Good Morning. Have a great start in this day :-D [13:52:05] :P [13:52:14] *** Nanos1 is now known as Nanos [13:52:21] hi Nanos :P [13:52:25] Hi there Dust :-) [13:52:27] http://rbefoundation.com [13:52:29] URL Title: Welcome to Resource Based Economy Foundation (at rbefoundation.com) [13:52:40] I've just been trying to fix the central heating here since the builders fiddled with it and broke it.. [13:52:40] *** Parts: JsonBot (jsonbot@RBOSE-fb89d19f.pool.digikabel.hu) [13:52:49] It was steaming.. [13:53:09] Hi Nanos [13:53:14] *** Nanos is now known as Guest27208 [13:53:17] Hello there Phantom [13:53:27] brb [13:53:31] *** Quits: Guest27208 (nanos.org.uk@C97B34.93ABE9.6F51D1.FC33A7) (Quit: Leaving.) [13:54:32] unless I'm forgetting something [13:54:43] there is no seperate RBEF IRC right? [13:54:57] some times he join irc [13:55:17] there is rbef irc channel [13:55:22] #rbef [13:55:40] that works I guess [13:56:01] *** Joins: Nanos (nanos.org.uk@C97B34.93ABE9.6F51D1.FC33A7) [13:56:07] *** Quits: missboty (MissBoty@shakes.her.ass.for.RBOSE) (Quit: Connection reset by peer) [13:56:08] *** Joins: missboty (MissBoty@localhost) [13:56:08] *** RBOSE sets mode: +h missboty [13:56:18] test again [13:56:22] workls [13:56:23] :P [13:56:40] you fail nanos LOL [13:56:44] :-) [13:56:45] jk [13:56:58] Also, I found a water tank here that the builders disconnected all the outputs on, but the input still remains.. [13:57:04] It was overflowing.. [13:57:23] ;) [13:57:40] Just what you need during freezing cold weather... [13:57:52] hehe [13:57:53] I can't wait until I design my own home. [13:58:23] hey Nanos you regular around here? [13:58:32] Not so much as I used to be. [13:58:33] I mean this IRC network [13:58:48] I pop on every few days. [13:58:52] * DustWolf nods [13:59:05] I haven't been here in a while [13:59:10] did I miss anything? :P [13:59:15] Yesd [13:59:16] * Nanos ponders... [13:59:18] Yes hehe [13:59:31] I don't think so offhand, but then maybe I missed it too :-) [13:59:38] particularly interested in anything related to Umbrella [13:59:43] http://rbose.org/wiki/People [13:59:44] URL Title: People - RBOSE (at rbose.org) [13:59:48] here you can see a bit about IRC [14:00:00] oh that java bot [14:00:02] nifty [14:00:02] It proceeds slowly I think is perhaps the best answer. [14:00:30] * DustWolf nods [14:00:42] Much like my own efforts sadly. [14:00:43] there was some discussion about integrating the websites [14:00:46] How are things in EOS ? [14:00:48] not much is going on there as i know [14:00:53] but meeting on irc is not very practical for me [14:01:02] and even less so for Igor [14:01:05] heya DustWolf :P [14:01:08] hi :) [14:01:16] How come not so practical ? [14:01:19] We can make a meeting in Mumble [14:01:24] EOS is having one of it's quiet times I guess [14:01:32] well [14:01:40] we had meetings I guess :) [14:01:50] need to set up a more techincal discussion somehow [14:01:50] http://www.theprojectumbrella.org [14:02:09] I guess until one of our projects hits a certain level of finishedness, I suppose we won't see much in the way of rapid growth. [14:02:17] also check the rbef forums, i think the activity may be more visible there [14:02:32] Prom has been busy on the forums. [14:02:38] xP [14:02:45] He certainly has found his niche there. [14:03:06] i am not following that right now, but thats the info i can give you [14:03:06] on EOS actually the Sweedish group (headed by Enrique I think) has been doing some real life presentations [14:03:09] Lots of meaty stuff to dig into if one has the time from him. [14:03:18] In swedish ? [14:03:30] I guess? XD haven't been there [14:03:40] Hard to follow groups whose webpages are not in English for me :-) [14:03:49] :P [14:03:53] theres no website [14:03:57] just the EOS site [14:04:06] real life implies real life [14:04:09] anyway [14:04:20] How do we know unless someone posts about it on a forum :-) [14:04:31] or make a wiki :D [14:04:34] yeah Enrique ahs been doing so [14:04:37] in english [14:04:39] :P [14:04:52] Its a pity there seem to be at least 3 different groups working on reprap when all efforts should be combined. [14:05:12] the Slovenian group has been focusing primarily on getting the webdev NPO up and running [14:05:26] That reminds me, Ant may well benefit from assistance from you if you have the time to help out with PIC programming for his Reprap. [14:05:47] * DustWolf shrugs [14:05:53] well I'm accessible [14:05:55] I guess [14:06:05] it's just hard for me to figure out what to spend my time on [14:06:15] so an email would be in order [14:06:24] I know what you mean. [14:06:43] I should probably mention though that I've not been working on PICs and will take me some learning (my asm skills are in x86) [14:06:44] Email to your EOS account ? [14:06:53] jure.sah@technate.eu works [14:06:58] Noted [14:07:02] *** Joins: Baradosa (qwebirc@RBOSE-f7cf12b0.pool.invitel.hu) [14:07:11] Guys channel is logged [14:07:17] yeah no prob [14:07:24] Hi Baradosa [14:07:26] I don't let spambots terrorize me ;) [14:07:32] :) [14:07:45] they only flood you hehe [14:07:55] Pity we don't have an anti-spam task force.. [14:08:01] the mx is gmail apps [14:08:07] implies their spam filter [14:08:13] also I use thunderbird [14:08:28] :) [14:08:33] spam can't touch me [14:08:42] Phantom: what do you think of umbrella? [14:08:50] hi Baradosa *=) [14:08:53] I find the thunderbird spam filters a little over zealous at times. [14:08:58] hi Caly :P ltns [14:09:05] umm [14:09:07] Nanos: it's adaptive [14:09:22] Its a bit shit if you ask me.. [14:09:23] DustWolf: hi there, how's things? [14:09:31] bussy :) [14:09:35] I'm often having to dig stuff out of the spam bin that shouldn't be there. [14:09:37] yourself? ;) [14:09:45] http://rbose.org/wiki/People [14:09:46] URL Title: People - RBOSE (at rbose.org) [14:09:52] add yourself folks! [14:09:59] I never had Thunderbird spam filter dissapoint me [14:10:15] Often technology dispoints me, but then I suppose @m quite fussy. [14:10:47] DustWolf did not follow last time so cant say much [14:10:49] Caly: I distinctly remember having added myself there once before :P [14:11:12] *** Quits: Baradosa (qwebirc@RBOSE-f7cf12b0.pool.invitel.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [14:11:13] How is your Reprap thing going Caly ? (If I've got the facts straight that is..) [14:11:16] let's hope the IT wizzards here set up a mailserver for our domain soon [14:11:41] *** Joins: Baradosa (qwebirc@RBOSE-f7cf12b0.pool.invitel.hu) [14:12:17] mail servers are a bit of a nightmare... why I ended up just using google apps [14:12:26] Nanos: well, we're collecting parts and contacts still, i think we have about 3 complete sets of electronics, i still have most axcles, bolts, bearings and such for at least 3 machines, but nothing complete yet. [14:12:28] sold my soul to google but... [14:12:35] * Phantom hate google [14:12:50] they're better than MS xD [14:12:53] Have you contacted Ant yet as he is also developing a Reprap from scratch as I understand it. [14:13:14] what is M$? HAHA [14:13:30] Nanos: I was recently approched by another Swede that has another kind of 3D printer ( called UP! ), and he wanted to print the plastics for us. [14:13:43] My solar vehicle is still not operational, not helped the last few weeks/months by the builders pilling rubbish on top of it. [14:13:52] he was going to do a testprint any day he said. [14:13:54] Ant owns a plastics company incidently.. [14:14:25] hehe [14:14:54] !windows [14:14:55] I am scared about such as operating system, because it would take my freedom away. Learn about software freedom: http://rbose.org/wiki/Software & http://rbose.org/wiki/Free_Software [14:15:07] Phantom: I don't feel like bashing today [14:15:08] I can imagine having some of my vehicle parts made by a reprap machine. [14:15:10] DustWolf: i too only use gmail etc. the best out there for now, except the extensive data mining i get for free in the package xD [14:15:35] We run our own mail server here, got sick of everyone else's being unreliable. [14:15:47] that's the spirit [14:15:55] Nanos on M$? [14:15:57] Yep [14:16:00] :/ [14:16:11] lol [14:16:28] anyway [14:16:30] umbrella [14:16:32] My business partner deals with the technical side of that, I more kept the hardware running side of things. [14:16:46] * Nanos listens about umbrella [14:16:48] oh ffs, toss that shit Nanos ! [14:16:48] DustWolf did you check Umbrella website? [14:16:58] yeah lol :P [14:17:00] If we had someone who knew how to operate the other shit we would :-) [14:17:08] "lol" ? [14:17:18] I've been in on this for a while I mena [14:17:29] Nanos you can ask here or in Freenode i am sure some one would help you [14:17:29] but also, the front page is not quite what I had envisioned [14:17:40] though the relations people need to tell us what to do about that [14:17:50] Nanos: so ask around, there are plenty [14:17:51] they're the only ones who have been actually working on something too [14:17:53] You can login with RBEF account in umbrella website [14:17:58] and edite Front page [14:18:09] I don't want to edit the front page :P [14:18:21] Or add any info lol [14:18:31] another youtube video perhaps [14:18:32] suggestions and so on [14:18:33] anyway [14:18:34] Not had a great deal of success asking anywhere to be honest.. [14:18:43] This is why my partner makes it all work.. [14:18:49] how was the common login implemented? [14:18:51] manilaenglish more or less pulls the whole load on the umbrella project. [14:18:59] good work for just one man duh. [14:19:04] as i said you can log in with rbef account into umbrella [14:19:09] I don't mean to sound so negative [14:19:17] I mean how does it work [14:19:23] what technology does it use [14:19:24] Venux link db [14:19:33] would be even better if he stopped wasting time writing letters to TZM [14:19:35] I'm keen to see how different sites can use the umbrella site. [14:19:53] magically I guess [14:19:59] The Zeitgeist Mobment(ality) [14:20:03] is the code GPLed? [14:20:14] ask Venux about it i dont know [14:20:28] there doesn't seem to be a way to do that right now xP [14:20:32] but thanks anyway [14:20:42] I'll see what I can derive from looking at the results [14:20:55] I can tell you that we gonna use Turbogears so you can log in into wiki/pms/everything [14:21:02] i'd say the BIG BIG BIG issue with RBEF/EOS/Umbrella today is that they don't COMMUNICATE [14:21:20] in RBOSE [14:21:45] why oh why can't they get their head around that and simply use IRC, Mumble, Google groups etc. [14:22:03] there are technologies which can be used to attain the independence and coordination levels I'm looking for [14:22:22] recoding everything in the same programming language and using a central db isn't my idea of it [14:22:39] DustWolf: WORD! [14:23:06] I've been working with openid but it's far from ready technologywise [14:23:32] not to mention it's completely impractical xP [14:24:34] if you say "link db" I imagine there is a script copying the logins between the sites SQL dbs [14:26:50] But maybe i am wrong DustWolf need to ask Venux how he did it [14:27:31] At some point I'd like to make my efforts compatible. [14:28:35] Does anyone know about themostatic radiator valves ? 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[14:50:34] :D [14:52:58] oh well, better grad the bull by the horns [14:53:03] *grab [14:53:19] time to go out and showel snow before it gets dark [14:53:41] good luck Caly :D [14:54:00] * Caly is thinking about making a flamethrower to deal woth the wite shit [14:54:11] would be alot more fun... [14:54:34] why not snowblower? :P [14:55:17] suggestions on eco-friendly cumbustionables? [14:55:27] Phantom: to heavy and cold to work with [14:55:38] i got a busted elbow and a bad back [14:56:03] when you melt it then it would freez [14:56:07] after a while [14:56:19] sure, much better for studded tires than snow [14:56:26] easier to sand [14:56:29] wood ? [14:56:34] hmm... [14:56:44] Caly why not warm up ground? :D [14:57:00] Snow would melt dont need to clean or anything haha [14:57:03] hard to do now thou [14:57:28] true [14:57:33] No local volunteer labour then :-) [14:57:36] Now ground is like stone hehe [14:57:44] mmmm [14:57:52] I remember last winter my efforts to clear the local paths did seem to infect a few others to copy my behaviour. [14:58:13] =) [14:58:24] Not quite enough to clear the entire street mind you, sadly. [14:58:52] Perhaps in new communities one might make use of geothermal power to make sure the pavements are always toasty warm.. [15:00:00] I had hoped to have my vehicle ready for testing in the snow N ice. [15:01:36] *** Quits: Sixth_Ape (sixth_ape@RBOSE-fe313cb9.wbs.co.za) (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) [15:02:08] I think time to study a bit of MMORPG life with LOTRO :-) [15:02:26] Ever notice how MMORPG's never suffer with mass unemployment issues.. [15:03:01] haha [15:03:14] I want my MMORPG to reflect reality rather better in that way. [15:08:47] It was somewhat amusing the other day how on both a poor peoples forum and a rich peoples one, neither wanted low paid jobs to be created! [15:10:53] wtf rich people forum and poor people forum? LOL [15:11:10] You need to give you ID number or something on that forum [15:12:06] Poor is like Zeitgiest, rich is where it costs you £200 a year subscription to belong.. [15:12:33] both are waste of time [15:12:37] and shitty haha [15:12:57] One can get useful information from both. [15:13:08] Sometimes the same :-) [15:13:14] btw tzm is not only poor people [15:13:15] Such as, being a landlord is profitable.. [15:13:30] are you saying that PJ is poor? or JF [15:13:34] Mostly poor though, they tend to scare away any rich folk that turn up. [15:13:48] Well, those two are not poor, but not millionaires either :-) [15:13:57] How do you know that [15:14:10] BTW how do you know that VTV is poor? [15:14:13] As PJ rents his apartment, he doesn't seem that poor. [15:14:17] Because he ask donations? Haha [15:14:30] Indeed, VTV might be loaded :-) [15:15:02] He appears poor mind you.. even though he is a landlord.. [15:15:30] But I guess he is just starting out as a landlord and hasn't got all tough with his tenants that don't pay. [15:16:14] so if a guy have less then 1 m then hes poor hehe [15:16:15] In the rich peoples forum there is a landlords section, I notice how heartless they are over their tenants. [15:16:37] i would avoid that kind of forums [15:17:08] Its useful to know, even if rather stressful listening to how, lets say unpleasently rich they are.. [15:17:25] check TV! [15:17:39] Some want a better future for all though, so they aren't all evil! [15:17:44] Which channel ? [15:18:20] any [15:18:26] or news [15:18:40] i guess same shit is on that forum [15:20:03] Its useful in knowing how they got rich, how they stay rich and how they think. [15:20:36] more rich more poor [15:20:42] Listening to both sides, I can understand why each hates the other :-) [15:21:11] The rich hate the poor because they don't organise and do anything about their lot, and the poor hate the rich for exploiting them too much. [15:21:33] *** Joins: TESTbot (TestBot@localhost) [15:21:33] *** Parts: TESTbot (TestBot@localhost) [15:22:08] dont organise what? [15:22:27] Themselves to help themselves. [15:22:37] hehe [15:22:38] One aspect of what makes a rich person rich, is how they cooperate with people. [15:23:05] so in other words rich hate poor because poor peole have no $ [15:23:09] The poor sit around complaining and not even working with their neighbour in the same boat to improve their lives. [15:23:20] right [15:23:24] and you belive that crap? [15:23:34] Sure, I@ve seen it with my own eyes! [15:23:39] I didn't used to think the poor was so stupid.. [15:24:09] But, having hung around with so many of them for so many years, and seen them pass up perfectly good oppertunities to improve their own lives because they are too lazy, I have less sympathy. [15:24:11] i guess you spend too much time with rich people [15:24:29] Perhaps, but I've been poor a long time myself too! [15:24:50] I often find personal experience helps to clalify what is true. [15:24:54] are you saying that poor people are lazy? [15:25:01] Many yes, its a common theme. [15:25:09] and rich are hard workers [15:25:10] LOL [15:25:13] Generally yes :-) [15:25:29] ||_ |[]| ||_ [15:25:53] sorry Nanos but that is BS [15:26:13] Why do you think poor folk are poor ? [15:26:36] Why europe was rich? [15:26:41] hard workers???? [15:26:49] and sitll are [15:26:53] *still [15:27:07] Africa and Asia people are lazy [15:27:22] +n [15:27:56] Or they dont count [15:28:31] http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=231&id=303035 <--- LOL [15:28:34] URL Title: Migrating from Windows to Linux - The Zeitgeist Movement (at www.thezeitgeistmovement.com) [15:29:38] in China people childer work hard and stil Poor [15:29:43] can you explain that Nanos? [15:30:11] What, the europeans are harder workers than those in Africa ? [15:30:28] From what I can gather, its down to tempreture, the colder the climate, the harder people work. [15:31:02] So people are poor because they are lazy [15:31:14] Now its temperature [15:31:24] are you kidding me? [15:31:25] Some children will become rich though, those that I imagine end up working with others. [15:31:52] So tell me please How Europe get Rich [15:32:01] Aspecial UK [15:32:06] and Queen [15:32:17] Hard working ?:P [15:32:54] http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/intelligence_and_skin_color/ [15:32:57] URL Title: Ecological correlations between IQ, skin color, temperature and GDP per capita (at majorityrights.com) [15:33:11] At first yes, later on it was exploiting others. [15:33:58] One see's the same in microcosm on forums and even here, where because we cooperate, we are going to be richer than those that do not. [15:34:01] they still exploit Africa [15:34:08] Oh indeed yes, sadly. [15:34:11] Asia and south America [15:34:20] so please dont tell me rich people work hard [15:34:46] On the whole, they work harder to become rich than the poor do to stay poor. [15:34:58] Thats not to say, that once someone is rich, they don't sit back and exploit others with little work. [15:35:03] Rich people dont work they never did [15:35:11] They PLAY with poor people [15:35:29] How do you explain how a small shop owner becomes rich without working in his own shop all hours ? [15:35:40] Thats rich people once they have become rich. [15:35:49] Getting to that stage often requires a lot of work.. [15:36:00] Or scamming.. [15:37:57] in other words stealing [15:38:08] Yes, some get there like that. [15:38:30] all of them did [15:38:35] Not all. [15:39:09] If you dont belive me ask God, hes here lol [15:39:51] *** Joins: kman (erik@RBOSE-d0fb07bb.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [15:40:44] Hey Kman :) [15:40:58] btw guys you can join #news channel [15:41:08] feeds are working nice :D [15:44:37] nanos what about them mexicans [15:44:43] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-d4b8b615.bredband.skanova.com) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [15:45:01] They are lazy LOL [15:45:03] I remember a professor said that mexicans are genetically lazy [15:45:10] LOL [15:45:14] no joke [15:45:35] o/ [15:46:04] -|UFO|- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [15:46:05] I don't know enough about them, we don't get many here :-) [15:46:13] I can quite imagine that.. [15:47:17] Solution is to try and breed in less laziness into humans, though if the future is one where machines do all the work, is perhaps not necessary. [15:47:27] Even today much work is done by machines as it is. [15:47:47] Nanos so Rich people are doing hard working Poor people do nothing and are Lazy [15:47:56] Maybe we should pray to rich people [15:47:56] As such, perhaps one doesn't have to worry about the lazy people, as long as the people that do want to work can find each other and work together. [15:48:00] ? [15:48:01] LOL [15:48:07] Generally yes thats true. [15:48:12] W00t [15:48:15] I'm not sure they would listen :-) [15:48:31] What would we ask of the rich people if we did pray to them ? [15:49:12] nanos for a raise? [15:49:28] Nice thought, but doubtful they would listen to that request. [15:49:42] sleep with their daugher? [15:49:50] Thats more possible :-) [15:49:54] ;) [15:50:05] They do give away free advice though. [15:50:08] what is next Obama care about People of USA? Haha He is rich you know "hard working" [15:50:25] He probably worked hard at some point.. [15:50:29] I feel in the future people will get higher up on the work ladder by killing each other off to the top [15:50:40] Doesn't that happen already.. [15:50:48] not in america [15:51:04] you need a job blow the persons head off above you [15:51:22] *** Joins: TESTbot (TestBot@localhost) [15:51:22] *** Parts: TESTbot (TestBot@localhost) [15:51:25] a horrible thought but a rational decision if you can get away with it [15:51:25] Sounds an almost Klingon style :-) [15:51:45] Kilngon style? [15:51:52] StarTrek reference. [15:51:55] o [15:52:00] oh haha I get that now [15:52:17] Nanos give a nobel price to the Rich people for "hard working" ||_ |[]| ||_ [15:52:40] I might if they used their wealth wisely to help others.. [15:53:03] I did notice how poor people if they suddenly became rich, would behave as badly as the rich folk did. [15:53:44] I want to be rich, but not turn out like an asshole, I still want to be able to help people afterwards. [15:54:28] It worries me that I might not listen to mistakes I might make in solutions to help people, as that is one of the mayor failings I see in people at the top, when they stop listening to people at the bottom. [15:55:03] Just earlier when I was chatting with some rich people, they swore blind to me that the world isn't anythng like I've said it is, that there are not tons of poor people out there.. [15:55:37] I don't know what world they live in.. [15:55:51] Well, actually I do, its one where they just don't come into contact with poor people and their shitty lives. [15:56:14] I noticed on some TV shows lately, where rich folk spend a few weeks living among the poor, how it really opens their eyes. [15:56:27] But, all they had to do was to listen to the poor folk in the first place and believe them! [15:57:04] When I talk about cockroach infected homes, its not considered worth worrying about. [16:03:15] *** Joins: Hakufu (Hakufu@RBOSE-1083bef0.bredband.tre.se) [16:03:33] It was perhaps interesting that crime did feature in their list of concerns, with many moving to countries where crime was less, or that legally they had more options to defend themselves. (My favourite being a guy with miniguns mounted in his driveway!) [16:04:03] Nanos: [16:04:05] Crime being somewhat related to being poor.. [16:04:20] Yes ? [16:04:21] it is theoretically impossible for the "few at the top" to manage something effiicently [16:04:39] best intentions don't help [16:04:40] Why ? [16:04:53] I have done this myself though when I ran a coop in a MMORPG.. [16:04:55] they don't have all the information [16:05:06] I would agree that that is a key part to success. [16:05:09] it works for smaller groups [16:05:15] not applicable on a global scale [16:05:20] or nationwide or whatever [16:05:25] It would be better to have a system that didn't rely on a few, as it would be more robust to mistakes. [16:05:37] distributed systems work best [16:05:47] I don't mind what the solution is as long as we test them out first! [16:05:52] I would tend to agree with you there. [16:06:03] take for example [16:06:12] monarchy vs economic system [16:06:41] *** Joins: Diago (Diago@B38B54.890583.4D0704.93077D) [16:06:43] a monarch may have the best of intentions but all I have seen with them running the supply and demand is awful inequality and lack of balance [16:07:03] the economic system on the other hand, albeit flawed, manages the nuances much better [16:07:26] * Nanos nods [16:08:01] must be why its so popular :) [16:08:26] *** Parts: Diago (Diago@B38B54.890583.4D0704.93077D) [16:09:16] as for crime, I think that's somewhat culturaly dependant [16:09:23] Is part of the reason I'm keen to make use of the existing system as much as possible. [16:09:36] Also generally agreed with you there. [16:09:50] in societies where individuals never find themselves in situations where they have to fend for themselves [16:09:54] crime is very low [16:10:06] take the number of policemen in Sweeden as an example [16:10:12] I think EOS fits well there too, in its effort to want to plug a business into the current system. [16:10:21] yeah that's the idea [16:10:33] what we've been pursueing anyway [16:10:44] Yes, I would hope if we did the same here, that crime would be lower in some areas. [16:11:00] such things take time [16:11:01] I notice a lot of chatter on the Z forums about that kind of solution, business wise. [16:11:18] aka cooperative style, outside dealing with money, internal,not ncesssarly money related. [16:11:34] that'd be because it's the only realistic plan [16:11:39] Indeed. [16:11:41] Agreed. [16:11:42] but it kind of depends how you manage the finances [16:11:52] it is still possible to do it all wrong [16:12:02] e.g.: hand total control of the money to P.J. [16:12:03] Agreed. [16:12:13] Transparency helps. [16:12:22] sometimes it doesn't [16:12:29] I'm not sure where it wouldn't offhand. [16:12:39] monarchy [16:12:40] :P [16:12:56] it doesn't help if everybody knows [16:13:05] Its still not clear to me that one :-) [16:13:09] so long as this one person on top can't handle all the little bits and pieces [16:13:21] Does it hurt if we know how many toilet rolls the king spent money on last week ? [16:13:35] not if you can't influence it [16:13:43] I mean [16:13:49] it doesn't help in that case [16:13:55] Kings should listen to their subjects views though.. [16:14:11] they do, when the subjects implement strikes [16:14:15] If the King was spending a fortune on toilet rolls and someone mentioned it. [16:14:17] er.. protests [16:14:31] Easier to just listen when they speak, than wait for them to protest.. [16:14:34] it just doesn't work out like that honestly [16:14:46] Like the difference between good and bad management. [16:14:50] what about all the minorities that nobody cares about? [16:14:54] Bad will fail to listen to staff. [16:15:04] They need to be listened to. [16:15:28] assuming the monarch is an all powerful entity that is wide enough to accomodate everyone's problems [16:15:37] in reality he's only human [16:15:39] I remember as a manager myself once, I listened to everyone. [16:15:46] He needs to learn to deligate :-) [16:15:52] it doesn't work out [16:16:05] you get funding channeled into big impressive problems [16:16:12] with people dieing on the streets from hunger [16:16:16] But isn't that just due to poor managers ? [16:16:41] I think not [16:16:47] Are you talking about part of the solution to that is to make sure the people have enough to sort out their own problems ? [16:17:16] Would you say that the idea of a guaranteed income is thus a good one for now ? [16:17:24] this conversation could go on forever without proof :P [16:17:46] I remember reading a study about market dynamics that pointed stuff out in more proveable terms [16:17:51] something about an information problem [16:17:59] One reason I want to build a MMORPG to better study these solutions. [16:18:26] MMORPGS have controled properties and often leave out important real life problems [16:18:35] take for example EVE, the perfect capitalist society [16:18:38] I see money as an analog computer solution to this information problem. [16:18:57] where all market dynamics is taken into account -- except that transportation only takes time, not fuel [16:19:21] which is what makes perfect capitalism possible [16:19:27] EVE is quite a good example, though its perhaps interesting how difficult it is for players to build a banking system, with constant efforts ending in someone stealing money from customers and running off with it.. [16:21:02] the way people handle systems is further difficult to predict in a simulation because well... they're all people [16:21:19] The lack of mangaement tools in EVE does make it difficult to do much in the game compared to what one can do in reality. [16:21:40] for example? [16:21:42] From what I see, people behave in EVE as they do in real life. [16:21:51] Parcel service. [16:22:04] It is difficult to set up a post office system for mail for example. [16:22:05] you could implement that if enough players set their minds to it [16:22:11] Its just about doable with secure cans. [16:22:18] and I don't agree people act in EVE like they do in real life [16:22:24] for one, in real life, people pay for fuel [16:22:28] What aspects do you think are not the same ? [16:22:53] everything that isn't raw capitalism I guess [16:23:09] Unless they have a solar vehicle :-) [16:23:24] also note that in EVE, it is forbiden from the game gods themselves to use any kind of automation [16:23:36] Ships don't require maintence I notice.. [16:23:45] True, but people often break that rule.. [16:23:56] In my MMORPG< I want to allow that, as I want to encourage automation development! [16:24:05] :P [16:24:18] Imagine if you end up plugging in a hydroponics computer system into a MMORPG and get the players to code the automation system for you :-) [16:24:23] *** Joins: TESTbot (TestBot@localhost) [16:24:23] *** Parts: TESTbot (TestBot@localhost) [16:24:35] I have thought about making MMORPGs useful yes [16:24:38] Same as I want to encourage the real use of money for game money and trade. [16:25:08] As I see a benefit in having a global system that could be charged at zero cost to people. [16:25:21] eg. no exchange fees. [16:25:34] A monthly fee for some members yes. [16:25:43] But I'd also like to allow free membership too. [16:26:02] Which I imagine will need to be limited at first to X memberships due to lack of resources to allow the place to fill up too much. [16:26:26] Its those first steps I see to resource allocation solutions, infarstructure to put into place to allow that to happen in some way. [16:27:04] well [16:27:14] let me know when you're in alpha stage :P [16:27:17] I noticed on one auction site forum for example, they used chocolate bars as an imformal currency. [16:27:20] Will do :-) [16:27:49] what I was thinking about was making a MMORPG with a lot of microbiology science in it [16:27:57] for educational purposes [16:28:09] to get kids hooked on the real thing rather than something fake :P [16:28:20] I would like to use real science in mine too. [16:28:26] but this will never be programmed as I don't have that kind of time [16:28:42] I might listen to a lot of your suggestions then :-) [16:28:49] ;) [16:29:06] It will be running in MS Windows at first, so your need a machine with that on to play it :-) [16:29:19] a got a few VMs laying around [16:29:32] Silverlight. [16:29:42] VMs with windows [16:29:46] :P [16:30:05] Eventually I'd like versions for other systems. [16:30:14] Progress is slow there too.. [16:31:47] I've at least got my site converted to Silverlight 4 now, http://www.nanos.org.uk [16:31:48] URL Title: Nanos Homepage (at www.nanos.org.uk) [16:33:11] *** Joins: Diago_ (Diago@B38B54.890583.6B6856.BE1721) [16:34:40] *** Joins: Sixth_Ape (sixth_ape@RBOSE-02e3a0da.iburst.co.za) [16:44:56] *** Phantom is now known as Viper [16:45:20] *** Joins: Dani (qwebirc@RBOSE-048c2755.pool.t-online.hu) [16:45:22] *** Parts: Viper (Viper@NetAdmin.RBOSE) [16:45:23] *** Joins: Viper (Viper@NetAdmin.RBOSE) [16:46:02] http://www.truththeory.org/psywar-the-real-battlefield-is-your-mind/ [16:46:04] URL Title: Psywar: The Real Battlefield Is Your Mind | Watch Free Documentary Online (at www.truththeory.org) [16:47:36] Oh I had a thought about how to keep young people from leaving a community, building schools and university, good idea ? [16:47:58] I was wondering what to specialise in for a univerisity how about nanotechnology ? [16:49:25] :P [16:49:34] try biotech xD it's the nanotech that exists [16:50:54] As I was listening to what one of the young people was saying about how their wasn't a university on their island and they would move away to go to one, and probably not come back.. [16:52:43] It also made me wonder, what educational things one could start online, perhaps maths lessons ? [16:53:31] *** Quits: Dani (qwebirc@RBOSE-048c2755.pool.t-online.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [16:55:04] But then the issue of, how to pay the maths tutors.. as I was thinking about a monthly subcription for all services, so how does one work that out, eg. what if everyone wanted maths lessons.. 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[18:49:20] "dance [18:49:26] !dance [18:49:26] ACTION starts a slowdance and grabs the ass of DNS in #RBOSE [18:49:34] :x [18:49:57] !8ball anything special for today? [18:49:58] DNS, my 8-ball says: eh no. [18:50:21] DNS, what do you think about using common db of phrases for rBOTse and missboty? [18:50:40] ?? vagina [18:50:42] vagina: thats where you comin from :) [18:50:51] you mean that? [18:51:22] sure you can copy my phrases you did that be4!!!!!!! [18:51:23] haha [18:51:26] :D [18:52:27] well i thought rather about different ones, like the slaps for example [18:53:29] * RBOSE slaps lukas a bit around the channel with an Eben Moglen lecture [18:59:42] :o [18:59:59] !windows [19:00:00] I hate microsoft. Check: http://rbose.org/wiki/Windows7sins [19:19:14] *** Quits: bitttt (idk-h-reserv@RBOSE-664672aa.bb.online.no) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [19:21:25] *** Joins: bitttt (idk-h-reserv@RBOSE-664672aa.bb.online.no) [19:22:37] !linux [19:22:44] !gnu [19:35:32] `nicks [19:35:32] <|UFO|> Viper: Absalom, Ades, Antilect, Baradosa, bitttt, Caly, ciacon, comotion, Diago_, dLrG, DNS, DustWolf, faresz, FAT64, GhettoTux, God, Grits, hacked, Hakufu, halott, Haseldow, Julius, kalken, Kebap, kman, lukas, lundburgerr-TZM, missboty, Nanos, obst, p1Mp, pettter, RBOSE, rBOTse, scrdcow, Sixth_Ape, SoNeta, Viper, yourdaddy2, and |UFO| [19:35:34] o_0 [19:35:40] * Viper runs away [19:37:01] ?? gnu [19:37:02] gnu[1]: GNU its name is a recursive acronym for "GNU's Not Unix!" [19:37:04] gnu[2]: The GNU Project was launched in 1984 to develop a complete Unix-like operating system which is free software: the GNU operating system. http://gnu.org [19:37:06] gnu[3]: You can search from IRC at the GNU website by typing: !gnu [19:40:32] *** Quits: kalken (default@RBOSE-fddf66be.bredband.comhem.se) (Quit: leaving) [19:40:33] -|UFO|- kalken has quit FREENODE (Quit: leaving) [19:41:24] -|UFO|- kalken has joined on FREENODE [19:41:28] *** Joins: kalken (default@RBOSE-fddf66be.bredband.comhem.se) [19:43:31] wikileaks was ddosed o_0 [19:43:39] heise reported [19:43:41] aaah [19:43:55] fuck wikileaks [19:44:00] they work for CIA [19:44:14] go figure,,, fkn pentagon [19:44:17] yea who knows [19:44:22] Viper: tsssk [19:44:36] it's not clear [19:44:50] `netcraft pentagon.gov [19:44:53] <|UFO|> DNS: http://pentagon.gov was running Microsoft-IIS on Windows Server 2003 when last queried at 28-Nov-2010 18:44:52 GMT [19:44:57] are you sure Caly? [19:44:58] LOL [19:44:59] its clear for me hehe [19:45:19] DNS: huh? [19:45:34] `netcraft wikileaks.org [19:45:36] <|UFO|> Viper: http://wikileaks.org was running Varnish on unknown when last queried at 28-Nov-2010 18:01:19 GMT [19:46:40] Varnish? wtf is that [19:46:54] Caly: i mean sure if the pentagon was that if they run win2k3 server [19:47:00] hehe [19:47:12] !w varnish [19:47:15] Varnish | Varnish is a transparent, hard, protective finish or film primarily used in wood finishing but also for other materials. Varnish is traditionally a combination of a drying oil, a resin, and a thinner or solvent. Varnish finishes are usually glossy but may be designed to produce satin or semi-gloss sheens by the addition of "flatting" agents. Varnish has little or no colour, is transparent, and [19:47:16] has no added pigment, as opposed to paints or wood stains, which contain pigment and generally range from opaque to translucent. Varnishes are also applied over wood stains as a final step to achieve a film for gloss and protection. Some products are marketed as a combined stain and varnish. After being applied, the film @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varnish [19:47:32] !w varnish server [19:47:35] Varnish (software) | Varnish is an HTTP accelerator designed for content-heavy dynamic web sites. In contrast to other HTTP accelerators, many of which began life as client-side proxies or origin servers, Varnish was designed from the ground up as an HTTP accelerator. @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varnish_(software) [19:47:53] i got varnish on my shopping list [19:48:00] haha [19:48:07] waterprotection for windmill stators =P [19:48:15] marine varnish [19:48:33] DNS: ofc not, no clue, i just know it was down recently. [19:48:51] chacked this morning to si if it was back up actually [19:48:52] to get on news Again? :P [19:49:05] yeah [19:49:09] news = TV [19:49:13] !news .ca wikileaks ddos [19:49:16] 41 Results | WikiLeaks Hit By DDoS Attack Just as Its Newest Leak is Leaked Early (Mashable - ‎1 hour ago‎) @ http://mashable.com/2010/11/28/wikileaks-ddos-attack/ | Wilileaks undergoing 'mass Denial of Service attack' (Breaking News) (DigitalJournal.com - Michael Cosgrove - ‎1 hour ago‎) @ http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/300798 | WikLeaks Reports It Is Under A Denial Of Service Attack [19:49:17] (TechCrunch - ‎1 hour ago‎) @ http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/28/wikileaks-ddos-attack/ [19:49:25] TV = PROPAGANDA [19:49:45] hacker get ddos? lol [19:49:53] ^^ [19:50:00] ^^ [19:50:03] happens [19:51:00] as Nanos said rich people are "hard working" The poor one are "Lazy" [19:51:01] LOL [19:51:15] lol [19:51:21] lol [19:52:38] sure like the world bank is "fightin against inflation" [19:52:44] very hard workin ppl also [19:52:46] :X [19:53:10] [Sunday 28 November 2010] [15:35:03] Rich people dont work they never did [19:53:11] [Sunday 28 November 2010] [15:35:10] They PLAY with poor people [19:53:24] yep [19:53:31] basically [19:54:03] *** Joins: DustWulf (qwebirc@RBOSE-8d765021.ctrl-alt-del.si) [19:54:18] wb DustWulf :) [19:54:26] hehe [19:54:31] webchat :) [19:54:32] in windows [19:54:39] shrug [19:54:42] !windows [19:54:44] Evil word hehe [19:54:46] I have been discussing with the others [19:54:49] !windows [19:54:49] EOS meeting [19:54:50] I am all about free software and i can not help with the closed source winblows. Learn about the Free Software Foundation: http://rbose.org/wiki/Free_Software_Foundation [19:55:02] anyway [19:55:10] DNS good to see you :) [19:55:12] yeah? How was it [19:55:16] ;D [19:55:19] we got some news [19:55:27] !hello DustWulf [19:55:35] hum [19:55:40] maybe lag? [19:55:42] it still has to go to the EOS director for approval but the plan is to have [19:55:49] nope changed a bit [19:55:59] !hello DNS [19:56:02] automatic recent changes / entries, etc from all over the community on our page [19:56:06] broken :/ [19:56:18] my nick is not registered ;) [19:56:23] DustWolf's is [19:56:37] !8ball are u broken? [19:56:38] DNS, my 8-ball says: nope. [19:56:38] oh [19:56:59] !8ball Yes? [19:57:00] Viper, my 8-ball says: not the right time. [19:58:18] !windows [19:58:20] I would be lost with such as restricted operating system and i would like to show you informations about Gnu/Linux. Check: http://rbose.org/wiki/Gnu_linux [19:58:23] *** Joins: pax (pax@RBOSE-cd714b11.dip.t-dialin.net) [19:58:35] Hey Pax :) [19:58:53] hi viper, hi all :) [19:59:04] hi pax [19:59:19] de-en-es! :) [19:59:30] YES! :D [20:00:08] you talking about http://rbose.org/wiki/People ? [20:00:09] URL Title: People - RBOSE (at rbose.org) [20:00:26] so I'm comming carrying questions from EOS :P [20:00:39] we were thinking of dumping our wiki and using the RBOSE one [20:00:43] in umbrella spirit [20:00:57] o_0 [20:01:01] O_o [20:01:09] :P [20:01:18] yours is nicer [20:01:34] :D [20:01:36] we know, we put there a lot of work :P [20:01:48] all we really need is [20:01:52] 1. your permission ;) [20:02:07] you'll never get that :D [20:02:10] but, umbrella is not what we like last days.... [20:02:28] 2. a category for EOS articles :P with a link to our site somewhere [20:02:32] oh..? [20:02:34] problem? [20:02:38] DustWulf, http://www.theprojectumbrella.org/Community_Organization [20:02:43] O_O [20:02:54] dust: no, just an invitation [20:02:57] i was like WTF [20:03:07] this is totally now what we want to do [20:03:12] not* [20:03:19] okay.. I can understand that [20:03:20] this is totally NOT what we want to do [20:03:37] but that was just somebody's idea right? [20:03:44] lukas dont post that shit or i ban you!!!! LOL [20:03:44] we don't have to accept it [20:03:50] Viper, lol [20:04:06] !globalban lukas [20:04:06] ACTION globalbans lukas to nowhere. To global ban people with real actions is stupid, and i just make some fun out of it ;-p [20:04:24] wtf! [20:04:30] lol [20:04:33] so beside that wild idea... [20:04:58] second their idea which is problem: money [20:05:02] DustWulf what kind of permision? [20:05:08] third: proprietary [20:05:09] use our Wiki? [20:05:10] yours I guess :P [20:05:42] uhm... at EOS we're trying hard not to be this evil organization that dictates your everything [20:05:46] you dont need permission for that [20:06:05] am i right guys? [20:06:06] we'd hate to see the potential for cooperation go to waste based on someone's wild idea really [20:06:32] but propertiary and stuff like that is a problem and should be removed, yes [20:06:48] EOS? [20:06:50] and money... I don't know what you mean exactly :P [20:07:05] http://www.eoslife.eu/ [20:07:07] URL Title: European Organisation for Sustainability (at www.eoslife.eu) [20:07:42] that's EOS :P [20:08:26] hmm [20:08:26] so basically you're saying I should just go ahead? xP [20:09:23] DustWulf, just don't post shit :) and keep it advert and spam free, you can use it as an individual as we all do, you like projects then you develop them, simple as that, we don't support institutional approach :) [20:09:55] and any proprietary stuff will be deleted right away [20:09:57] and no proprietary shit [20:09:58] does linking to EOS as the name of the author organization count as spam? [20:09:59] !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [20:10:04] ;D [20:10:16] nah DustWulf [20:10:47] oky :) [20:10:55] !dance DustWulf [20:10:56] ACTION does a crazy Disco Dance with DustWulf in #RBOSE [20:11:02] xP [20:11:21] !naked [20:11:27] lol [20:11:28] !fun [20:11:30] ACTION shows all the triggers of the RBOSE IRC Fun TCL v0.02: !fun (this list), !8ball, !ban, !dance, !dns, !globalban, !hammer, !hello, !hug, !irc, !kick, !lol, !missboty, !morning, !music, !night, !pillow, !poke, !slap, trigger, !windows [20:11:50] so anyway [20:11:58] we looking forward to helping eachother :) [20:12:04] !pillow [20:12:04] ACTION quickly throws a pillow in the face of scrdcow [20:12:06] !lol [20:12:08] RANDOM: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_22rxseQXlXs/S_Lz4jPKkZI/AAAAAAAAY_g/3Xdr0jW43GI/s1600/jobs-vs-gates.jpg [20:12:17] even if umbrella corp becomes as evil as it's supposed to be according to the name [20:12:42] any info on how to make that common login thingy? :) [20:13:04] you mean idenitfy in irc? [20:13:07] DustWolf, i believe it is tracked as an issue in the PMS [20:13:28] thanks kman [20:13:29] u can use /ns group [20:13:33] the webiste thing [20:13:34] if u mean this [20:13:38] k k [20:14:32] what is theprojectumbrellas connection to rbose? [20:15:00] * DustWulf gets lost in the PMS looking for the shared website logon [20:15:02] DustWolf, are you familiar with the redmine PMS system? If not, i encourage you to explore it. It is a great tool for soft and hardware development. [20:15:23] ?? pms [20:15:24] pms[1]: Project Management Software: http://pms.rbose.org [20:15:26] pms[2]: PMS Wiki: http://rbose.org/wiki/Project_management_software [20:15:27] you need to register in PMS and Wiki [20:15:33] *** Quits: ciacon (quassel@RBOSE-abc6626d.unitymediagroup.de) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [20:15:40] *** Joins: ciacon (quassel@RBOSE-abc6626d.unitymediagroup.de) [20:17:27] I just can't find what you've decided to call it xD [20:19:23] DustWulf, I think let's try to work together, and if that will work, then you can start thinking about abandoning your wiki, let's not be radical and emotional just because the wiki is so nice ;] [20:19:48] what is theprojectumbrellas connection to rbose? [20:20:32] our seqrel decided we need to clean up our wiki and I put forth the idea that in spirit of cooperation, we just use yours and pool our resources and move what articles we find useful in ours to your wiki [20:20:35] scrdcow: in the beginning we were participating in its concept design [20:21:07] so it's more thought out than an impulsive decision by one guy :) [20:21:24] scrdcow, currently i really don't know, we wanted to work together, but seems we simply do totally different stuff [20:22:19] lukas: hmm.. seems weird. I just read through a bit on their page. [20:22:39] but have to wander through more [20:23:25] scrdcow: the idea is to link together RBOSE, RBEF, EOS, Atlas and other groups that work towards the same goal [20:23:49] DustWulf, you mean Free Society? [20:23:53] it's a great idea so let's not just give up :P [20:24:02] something like that [20:24:15] we each have another word for it [20:24:18] DustWulf: atlas url? [20:24:24] hmm [20:24:46] *** Joins: jgege (qwebirc@RBOSE-222ef051.pool.hdsnet.hu) [20:24:46] scrdcow: look for atlas in the wiki [20:24:48] one moment [20:24:48] xP [20:25:01] I can't memorize their abberviation [20:25:46] DustWulf, because seems many people think more about hoarding resources differently than about empowering every individual and making absolutely sure that our solutions works for all, and do not restrict freedom of other people [20:25:47] http://atlasinitiativegroup.org/ [20:26:39] EOS is just a research group so we don't force anything .. we just try different things and let you know what works [20:27:00] dns: sorry i didnt work on the rbe definition. currently, i cannot get myself to think in those terms [20:29:03] DustWulf: thx, pax: thx, lukas: thx (any forgotten?) [20:29:13] ;) [20:29:14] pax, i don't know what rbe means either, only what i can say is that from my perspective handling resources in more physical (as in physics) way than operation with any form of credit (scarcity tool), sounds reasonable [20:29:40] just "don't be evil" ;-) [20:29:47] I still think there is a lot to be gained from working together :P [20:30:07] RBE = Resource Based Emperium? [20:30:13] google have it dont be evil thing LOL [20:30:18] !poke pax [20:30:18] ACTION pokes pax in #RBOSE a bit with a gigantic cuddly GNU [20:30:20] hehe [20:30:22] Resource Based Empornium [20:30:27] lol [20:30:50] hmm [20:30:54] Free Society includes Free Sex. the sixties all over again... [20:30:59] perhaps it is best to just try this and see what happens? :P [20:31:28] EOS goal: the highest possible quality of life for the largest possible number of people for the longest possible amount of time [20:31:38] lukas: something along these lines... whatever. guess i need a break. [20:31:38] dns: poke back :) --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5nzeG052_c [20:31:39] You4Tube 2[Title] Sheila Chandra-Taal.flv 2[Category] People 2[Duration] 0:02:22 2[Views] 100552 2[Rating] 4.66 2[Uploaded] 2009-11-29 2[Description] This video has no description. [20:31:58] we are the rebels i guess pax [20:32:02] pax :) [20:32:15] *** Joins: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-5aa36246.biz.rr.com) [20:32:15] * DNS grabs his light saber [20:32:26] Hey BranManFloMore! :d [20:32:45] y0 y0 [20:32:48] !evening BranManFloMore [20:32:53] !evening all [20:33:00] Hey DNS and Viper [20:33:03] :> [20:33:14] * pax grabs lukas' hand and shakes it. hello btw. [20:33:14] hi :P [20:33:15] ,Smack missboty [20:33:15] * rBOTse smacks missboty with interviews [20:33:15] DustWulf, "largest possible number of people" do you mean by that total amount of population, or rather largest possible fraction of human beings? [20:33:33] !hello pax [20:33:34] !globalban Viper [20:33:34] ACTION greets pax (because lukas wants me to), and offers some help. (Type: !help) [20:33:36] ACTION globalbans Viper to an unknown place in an unknown time with an unknown script from an unknown author for an unknown reason [20:33:37] lukas: pretty much what it says, so all people or the most possible [20:34:01] *** Viper is now known as unknown [20:34:06] fukk most :X we work for all :) [20:34:09] it's distinctily possible we won't be able to help everybody, but the goal is to help as many as possible [20:34:15] also known as all [20:34:19] lukas: I am not THAT old :D [20:34:38] !hug pax [20:34:40] ACTION hugs pax for DNS and hopes that pax enjoys it :) [20:34:41] :D [20:35:12] i do i do i do :) [20:35:14] * pax hopes dns enjoys the music [20:35:23] hehehe [20:35:25] !hug scrdcow [20:35:26] ACTION hugs scrdcow for scrdcow and hopes that scrdcow enjoys it :) [20:35:34] he is! [20:35:45] :p [20:35:48] DNS, Free and Open Source Solution by definition work for everybody, because any one can use, learn, share, adjust and improve, we chose solutions like that [20:35:55] (was thinking it would say something witty about one huging oneself) [20:36:17] that was meant to be posted to DustWulf :) [20:36:19] lukas: i didnt know that? [20:36:22] 0_o [20:36:24] ok [20:36:26] hehe [20:36:39] lukas: anybody with skill. [20:36:55] lukas: people without skill is a bit left behind. it can be argued atleast. [20:36:57] you dont need skills to use GNU/Linux [20:37:03] "all" is too strong a word [20:37:07] :P [20:37:17] unknown: not much anyway. [20:37:18] scrdcow, everybody, we make it work for people blind or whatever [20:37:23] basically the only reason it doesn't say "all" is because we want to be scientific [20:37:24] *** unknown is now known as Viper [20:37:37] semantics I guess [20:37:39] it should work for every one [20:37:39] it means all [20:37:43] lukas: yes ofcourse. but that is a common argument, just wanted to raise it. I don't really agree to it. [20:37:54] ,quote get 75 [20:37:54] DNS: Quote #75: "They know enough who know how to learn. ~ Henry Adams" (added by dns at 12:27 AM, August 05, 2010) [20:37:59] lukas: with* [20:38:01] *** Joins: rebel (qwebirc@RBOSE-7726c64a.pool.digikabel.hu) [20:38:22] Hi rebel [20:38:35] DustWulf, that is the crap i cannot stand, the option to adjust allows it to be used by everybody, everywhere [20:38:38] rebel want to join the force? [20:38:45] against the evil emperium? [20:38:47] :P [20:38:54] um [20:39:11] rebel? rbl? fulhack? [20:39:14] is that Yes? [20:39:18] i'm actually joined in the zeitgeist movement hungary [20:39:29] what? [20:39:37] rebel: or maybe another one called rebel. [20:39:49] =_= [20:39:59] ?? rbose [20:40:00] rbose[1]: Resource Based Open Source Environment is a totally free environment without leaders nor governments where you can collaborate with people on projects all around the world. [20:40:02] rbose[2]: RBOSE is a communication platform of people interested in open sourced solutions based on resource management and implementing them in our daily lives. This group is dedicated to openness, fairness and transparency in development. We value diversity, creativity and sustainability. We don't recognize nations, religion nor politics. We believe in organic development, a development which speaks for it self. http://rbose.org/wiki [20:40:04] rbose[3]: You can search from IRC through our wiki by typing: !r [20:40:58] the !r trigger still dont worx again sorry [20:41:03] :x [20:41:19] for the record EOS is also completely open about it's research :P [20:41:37] sounds good [20:41:59] yep [20:42:20] DustWulf, I'm physicist :) [20:42:42] :) [20:43:27] so, all = sum of all people if they want -- if you miss one out of equation, you are doing it wrong [20:45:14] But not Peter Joseph [20:45:17] JK [20:45:19] hahaha [20:45:44] * BranManFloMore sneezes [20:46:51] but [20:47:08] then you're kind of restricting it [20:47:08] if you don't get it then it smells bad with elitism, sexism, ego, speciesm, racism, religious discrimination, nationalism, marginalization, and monetary discrimination [20:47:20] also, the goal isn't final [20:47:42] all = the sum of all people, period :P [20:48:01] as many as possible = everyone that will accept it [20:48:30] ok, let me make a joke [20:49:27] let's say one would say: "no people EOS because this still it is 'as many as possible' and could rationalize it [20:49:53] from* [20:49:58] do you plan to practice science of exclusion? [20:51:52] i heard words like "no tolerance for intolerance", "no freedom to restrict freedom of other people", and seems some people have weird mind loop when it comes to understanding that... they say you are the one who restricts freedom, or is intolerant [20:52:54] :P [20:52:57] ,quote get 130 [20:52:57] lukas: Quote #130: "the gpl takes the freedom to take away freedom. people who think this is less free have more loops in their head than i care to follow. ~ estragib (at freenode FSF channel)" (added by lukas at 12:17 AM, October 13, 2010) [20:53:32] I understand the problem but this isn't what we intended [20:53:42] I also doubt they'd change the wording to "all" [20:53:52] I'm just trying to makes things clear [20:53:57] great quote! [20:54:00] * Viper love it [20:54:09] unless you'd want it to also say that it'd provide the "best" quality of life and "forever" [20:54:54] in plainer terms, it means all [20:55:53] but it strives to reach as many as it cans [20:55:57] *** Quits: jgege (qwebirc@RBOSE-222ef051.pool.hdsnet.hu) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [20:55:57] *can [20:56:14] DustWulf, here is an interesting term: [20:56:14] so restricting it in any way would be bad, obviously [20:56:19] Democracy (gr. δημοκρατία Democratia "government by the people", the words δῆμος demos "people" + κρατέω krateo "lust") - the political system in which the source of power is the will of the majority of citizens (their governments are acting directly or through agents) [1] . [20:56:43] democracy sucks :P [20:56:51] it has the same flaw as "it's distinctily possible we won't be able to help everybody, but the goal is to help as many as possible" [20:57:10] no it's not [20:57:25] democracy does not strive to serve as many as possible [20:57:28] it strives to serve most [20:57:36] because as many and majority can be redefined by so called "as many as possible" aka "majority" [20:57:51] I disagree [20:58:06] besides you could redefine any word to mean anythign [20:58:26] lukas: pretty much what it says, so all people or the most possible -- you used here even the term "most" [20:58:43] != majority [20:59:25] majority = most , or i miss something? [20:59:40] that word has two meanings [20:59:47] *** Joins: jgege (qwebirc@RBOSE-222ef051.pool.hdsnet.hu) [20:59:52] the context displays it's different meanings [20:59:59] both of them is not every one [21:00:30] one defines a process one defines the end state [21:00:37] "all" is the final thing [21:00:47] we could be trying forever and never succeed [21:01:03] "as many as possible" is the process of striving [21:01:13] so long as you always do this [21:01:18] what used to came up as result of work of people who had in mind option to exclude "some"? [21:01:21] you're heading towards "all" [21:01:44] if people wanted to exclude anything they wouldn't be working towards the same goal [21:01:56] since the goal clearly is "as many as possible" [21:02:04] not "as many as possible except some" [21:03:02] "possibility" is an objective thing [21:03:17] either it's possible or it's not [21:03:22] it's not up to anyone to choose [21:03:52] but it's certainly up to access to information and other conditions [21:04:16] whereas what exactly is to make you ensure you will provide your service to all? [21:04:25] all can be subjective as well [21:04:36] for example, just redefine some people as not people [21:04:44] therefore they're no longer in the group of "all people" [21:04:55] yes, that is exactly what sux [21:05:27] we are not objective in this by any chance, we don't know future solutions, so we can say it is possible only to current access to information [21:05:51] according* [21:06:03] in other words, it's semantics [21:06:16] either you describe the final result or you describe the process [21:06:21] *** Joins: idk (idk@RBOSE-664672aa.bb.online.no) [21:06:34] for some reason the Technocrats opted to describe the process [21:10:38] it would make a good forum thread though [21:11:38] to ask the other EOS people what they think of this [21:11:41] for me any step to exclude someone out of definition of human being is clear danger, so any redefinition toward smaller group of people should be considered suspected [21:11:45] maybe they'd change the line [21:12:41] there is a nice saying, let me check if i find translation [21:16:56] !poke all [21:16:56] ACTION pokes everybody in #RBOSE a bit with an Open Source solar panel [21:16:59] bakk [21:17:01] :) [21:17:29] :P [21:18:38] wb [21:18:42] It goes like "Target the sun and reach the moon, target the stars and reach the sun". I personally never plan to target less than improvement of life of all human beings. It might look "scientifically" as not the best way, but i think it's a good approach , because basically I don't think we should let our minds to be in stated of heaving an option to marginalize or remove out of equation people, and turn them into mistake. [21:21:19] *** Joins: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-204ba029.cust.telenor.se) [21:21:43] -|UFO|- disconnected from FREENODE: Ping sent at 2010-11-28T21:19:41 not replied to. [21:22:02] -|UFO|- |UFO|` has joined on FREENODE [21:22:14] -|UFO|- |UFO| has quit FREENODE (Disconnected by services) [21:22:15] * DNS sings silently a song somewhere between the nicks in the nicklist "aaaaa haaaard days night" [21:22:17] -|UFO|- Kebap23 has quit FREENODE (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [21:23:03] -|UFO|- Kebap23 has joined on FREENODE [21:23:04] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Kebap23 [21:23:05] -|UFO|- nick change by |UFO|` to |UFO| on FREENODE [21:23:06] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +o |UFO| [21:23:08] *** Joins: soulrider (qwebirc@RBOSE-f9018407.catv.broadband.hu) [21:23:55] People who do it the other way probably can be recognized sooner or later as psychopaths, aka scientists without consciousness when it comes to area of science. [21:24:33] * DNS @_@ [21:30:11] *** Quits: lundburgerr-TZM (lundburgerr@5048B2.E9D5BE.E339CA.C53C66) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [21:32:05] people who do what? [21:32:16] !dance Grits [21:32:16] ACTION presents the moonwalk on the topic with Grits in #RBOSE [21:32:45] *** Quits: DustWulf (qwebirc@RBOSE-8d765021.ctrl-alt-del.si) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [21:33:25] Grits, people who think that some people can be omitted, excluded [21:33:50] are irrelevan, etc. [21:34:54] *** Quits: halott (halott@RBOSE-6d74a051.pool.t-online.hu) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [21:35:49] ahh back to linux <3 [21:36:03] wb DustWolf :) [21:38:50] ty :) [21:44:24] there, RSS feed integrated :) [21:46:30] *** Quits: soulrider (qwebirc@RBOSE-f9018407.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [21:46:46] yeah check News :D [21:46:50] i mean #news [21:47:01] xP was saying on eos site xD [21:48:31] DustWolf, have you seen this http://rbose.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=News ? [21:48:33] URL Title: News - RBOSE (at rbose.org) [21:48:46] http://eoslife.eu/ :) news bar [21:48:48] :P [21:48:49] URL Title: European Organisation for Sustainability (at eoslife.eu) [21:49:16] cool lukas :) [21:49:25] *** Quits: kman (erik@RBOSE-d0fb07bb.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [21:49:36] its strange that some people feel that say they strive for "betterment for all kind" still excludes people, calls most others who dont think like them "they", and build up boundaries [21:49:40] :) [21:50:01] *some people that says [21:52:02] kalken :) [21:52:45] we are not there yet because people (for some reason) say we can not think like that yet... [21:55:00] None tell me How or What to think [21:55:08] !! :D [21:56:41] *** Joins: kartacs811 (kartacs@RBOSE-21cb593a.pool.digikabel.hu) [21:56:54] *** Quits: kartacs811 (kartacs@RBOSE-21cb593a.pool.digikabel.hu) (Quit: ) [21:57:20] *** Joins: Eper (kartacs@RBOSE-21cb593a.pool.digikabel.hu) [21:58:07] *** Quits: Hakufu (Hakufu@RBOSE-1083bef0.bredband.tre.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [21:58:15] :P [21:58:18] *** Quits: Eper (kartacs@RBOSE-21cb593a.pool.digikabel.hu) (Quit: ) [21:59:06] kalken, i think there should be no permission for life sacrifice in order to achieve something, i don't know how to explain it in other words [21:59:36] i know many scientist which don't give a shit about other humans' lives [21:59:49] *** Quits: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-204ba029.cust.telenor.se) (Connection closed) [22:00:35] lukas: i'd say most people i know seem to have empathy that (for some reason) stops at the border of their country. [22:00:59] yes :( [22:01:11] its pretty sick when one thinks about it.. [22:01:28] but yet we are raised to believe that is whe way to be [22:01:39] *the [22:06:59] phew, kitchen painted and snow showeled "It is now possible to view many political developments around the world through the lens of those who participated in those events. As such, our understanding of those events is deeply enriched. That alone is often enough to place transparency ahead of national regulations regarding confidentiality." [22:07:00] SPIEGEL++ :D [22:11:25] *** Quits: jgege (qwebirc@RBOSE-222ef051.pool.hdsnet.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [22:11:40] *** Quits: comotion (preston@RBOSE-f90c9e66.177.getinternet.no) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [22:11:42] * DustWolf sets his RSS aggregator to use a squid proxy [22:28:29] *** Joins: comotion (preston@RBOSE-f90c9e66.177.getinternet.no) [22:35:39] http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/ [22:35:40] URL Title: Cable Viewer (at cablegate.wikileaks.org) [22:36:38] Can't wait to see the US crumble and collapse under international preassure [22:36:59] *** Quits: rebel (qwebirc@RBOSE-7726c64a.pool.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [22:41:25] *** Joins: ePER (nasa.getto-i8@RBOSE-21cb593a.pool.digikabel.hu) [22:46:53] *** Quits: Baradosa (Baradosa@RBOSE-f7cf12b0.pool.invitel.hu) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [22:53:41] http://techrights.org/2010/11/27/patent-tax-on-linux-swpats/ [22:53:44] URL Title: Intellectual Ventures and Other Microsoft-affiliated Groups Are Poisoning Linux With Patents | Techrights (at techrights.org) [22:56:02] *** Quits: ePER (nasa.getto-i8@RBOSE-21cb593a.pool.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Jjt http://script.nasa.hu) [23:01:40] mother fuckers [23:01:54] does assange still have his secret parcel at hand, or does it consist of all the documents recently released? [23:06:39] "It also highlights Centrifys focus on ensuring compatibility with Ubuntu, an area which involved some embarrassing bugginess for Likewise immediately following the Ubuntu 10.10. release." [23:07:15] how strange that Likewise hits the skids in the same generation of Ubuntu that has Centrify in its partner repositories [23:07:34] especially considering Centrify wasn't in any Ubuntu repository before that [23:07:42] fucking Canonical, they're being evil [23:07:59] fuck this I'm going to switch to MenuetOS [23:08:21] lol [23:08:36] I don't care if there are only twenty apps for it and I can't browse web pages [23:08:42] mentueos is even more proprietary than ubuntu is [23:08:59] who cares its written in assembly, they can't protect the source [23:09:09] * DNS pukes [23:09:41] what, you don't like assembly? [23:09:51] *** Quits: Diago_ (Diago@B38B54.890583.6B6856.BE1721) (Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~) [23:10:26] we like free and open source and not proprietary and closed source! [23:10:33] you can quote me on that :P [23:10:44] Grits: what's wrong with debian? [23:10:47] assembly is by definition open source, there's no way to obfuscate it [23:10:52] I like having a 1.4 megabyte OS that reproduces all the essential functionality of Winblows, which takes up several hundred megs [23:11:07] plus it boots in 1 second [23:11:11] also, just because you have the source it does not mean it is open sourced [23:11:28] yeah well they can try and stop me from modifying it to suit my own desires [23:11:36] as far as I'm concerned it's open [23:11:46] the can't, but they can try to stop you from distributing those changes [23:12:00] yeah they can try [23:12:19] you can't put the genie back in the bottle [23:13:15] I'll torrentz that shit and let the cloud protect it for me [23:13:44] *** Joins: Cyclo (Cyclo@C5AB1F.517811.C1AA74.06E43B) [23:16:45] pax: "The embassy cables will be released in stages over the next few months. The subject matter of these cables is of such importance, and the geographical spread so broad, that to do otherwise would not do this material justice." [23:17:38] Grits: why not Trisquel then? [23:17:58] Ubuntu but all free and no evil =P [23:18:50] Grits> you can't put the genie back in the bottle <--- WORD [23:18:58] Assange would agree =P [23:19:21] hi Cyclo 0/ [23:19:38] caly: i assume he is a dead man :( [23:19:39] Caly, hey there. :] [23:19:52] !poke pax [23:19:53] ACTION pokes pax in #RBOSE a bit with a Freeduino card [23:20:02] !hello #RBOSE [23:20:03] Heya #RBOSE! DNS asked me to greet you all, and thats what i just did. If anybody needs help, type !help [23:20:06] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SnQyaQZxcM [23:20:07] You4Tube 2[Title] Weed, Wheelchairs & Woodstock - Beyond Medical Marijuana w/ Burt Aldrich/Barton/Gloria 2[Category] Nonprofit 2[Duration] 1:06:08 2[Views] 265 2[Rating] 2.33 2[Uploaded] 2010-11-25 2[Description] After a live call-in with Burt Aldrich, a medical marijuana activist Paula Gloria and Joe Barton go farther down the rabbit hole of emotions and passions over medical marijuana and how a right for one is a right fo [23:20:15] What's Trisquel? [23:20:25] htttp://trisquel.info [23:20:30] http://trisquel.info [23:20:31] URL Title: Trisquel GNU/Linux | Run free! (at trisquel.info) [23:20:35] ;D [23:20:37] pax: sure, that would be tragic, but a drop in the ocean, and Wikileaks will not fall with him. assasin assange will only fuel the fire [23:20:38] grr [23:20:48] you confused Firefox with a superfluous t [23:20:52] GNU FTW [23:20:56] Grits: ? [23:20:57] what a fucking stupid program [23:21:08] !dance all [23:21:09] ACTION is so far not programmed to dance with all at once in #RBOSE [23:21:26] !8ball will you dance with all soon? [23:21:27] DNS, my 8-ball says: no. [23:21:30] :o [23:22:10] pax: it's the same when it comes to chasing pirates, it only feeds the anger and the development to make that system obsolete. [23:22:18] thei shjooting themself in the foot [23:23:40] chrisk> vegalyra: linux.fm radio through a kaosspad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoedHmcJi7Q [23:23:41] You4Tube 2[Title] linux.fm played live through a KaosPad K3 and a Kaossilator 2[Category] Music 2[Duration] 0:07:41 2[Views] None 2[Rating] None 2[Uploaded] 2010-11-28 2[Description] Just found linux.fm that plays the source code of the Linux kernel only. Very funny, so I made some music on top of it. [23:23:59] caly: they won't care about the conspiracy loonies. can't convince them otherwise anyway. but they cannot let the public see official sources [23:24:13] I'm checking out Trisquel. [23:24:14] huh? [23:24:22] Grits: sweet [23:25:29] *** Quits: comotion (preston@RBOSE-f90c9e66.177.getinternet.no) (Client closed the connection) [23:27:38] http://rbose.org/wiki/People < caly what are you doin there with bill in da back? [23:27:39] URL Title: People - RBOSE (at rbose.org) [23:27:44] lol [23:27:59] *** Joins: comotion (preston@RBOSE-f90c9e66.177.getinternet.no) [23:28:33] friggin flash [23:28:41] Where am I at? [23:30:39] BranManFloMore: it displays channel activity if you said nothin or less its not showed [23:31:04] ;D [23:31:15] but the images changes all the time [23:31:23] viper made a nice vid from it [23:31:26] Hmmm.... [23:32:01] I guess it shows that Caly and Billll like PMing each other through IRC a lot lately? [23:32:45] heh y0 i think its some hours ago as they had a conversation [23:33:01] *** Joins: Kebap_ (kebap@RBOSE-9f2493f5.adsl.hansenet.de) [23:33:15] -|UFO|- Kebap_23 has joined on FREENODE [23:33:16] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Kebap_23 [23:35:32] I noticed the Trisquel Game live CD [23:35:32] *** Joins: _Kebap (kebap@45364A.B56BEA.051970.37446A) [23:35:37] that's pretty cool [23:35:41] Gamer [23:35:47] *** Quits: _Kebap (kebap@45364A.B56BEA.051970.37446A) (Connection closed) [23:36:00] -|UFO|- Kebap23 has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [23:36:14] *** Quits: Kebap (kebap@rbose.org) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [23:36:54] *** Joins: Kebap (kebap@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) [23:37:12] *** Joins: Billll (Billll@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) [23:37:26] BranManFloMore: nope, not at all, it just means it missed that Caly and Calyp are the same person, despite the fact that they claimed to have fixed exactly that in o.4 [23:37:44] *** Joins: BranManFloMizzle (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) [23:37:48] Ah, okay. Makes sense. [23:38:01] see, i'm in two places. I prolly just talked with bill under that nick some time here. [23:38:25] PM:ing won't show at all, it only trackjs channel action [23:38:36] from what i understand. Really cool feature otherwise. [23:38:41] DNS: viper made a nice vid from it <--- First time I saw this, pretty awesome. [23:38:53] Indeed. [23:39:03] * Caly agrees [23:39:16] *** Quits: comotion (preston@RBOSE-f90c9e66.177.getinternet.no) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [23:45:26] *** Joins: Geistisin3 (Geistisin3-RB@RBOSE-8f1d3725.user.ono.com) [23:46:09] *** Quits: Geistisin3 (Geistisin3-RB@RBOSE-8f1d3725.user.ono.com) (Connection closed) [23:52:06] *** Quits: Absalom (Absalom@RBOSE-32c2aa3d.bredband.comhem.se) (Quit: ) [23:58:12] Viper, why is your skills "hidden"? [23:59:43] BranManFloMore: nope, not at all, it just means it missed that Caly and Calyp are the same person, despite the fact that they claimed to have fixed exactly that in o.4 <--- Caly, they fixed it if you change nick without disconnecting , but it doesn't work when you open new connection (maybe some user data are different for these your connections?)