[00:00:49] Hehe [00:00:59] * BranManFloMore burps [00:01:00] I dont know [00:01:12] is it important to know my skilz? [00:01:27] Less you know longer you live HAHA [00:01:29] jk [00:01:30] http://www.webpagetest.org/result/101128_CS3/1/performance_optimization/ [00:01:32] URL Title: WebPagetest - Optimization Check Results (at www.webpagetest.org) [00:01:43] Viper: Less you know longer you live HAHA <--- LoL [00:02:15] btw wikileaks work for CIA [00:03:27] Other way they would not talk on TV about them hehe [00:04:40] I guess it's true, the revolution will not be televised. [00:06:39] yeah I'm not terribly impressed with wikileaks [00:06:52] BranManFloMore: BT? :P [00:07:33] I don't know what that means. [00:07:43] their lyrics :P [00:07:51] "the revolution will be televized" [00:07:52] I think [00:08:58] I think you mean Gil-Scott Heron: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS3QOtbW4m0 [00:08:59] You4Tube 2[Title] The Revolution Will Not Be Televised - Gil Scott-Heron 2[Category] Education 2[Duration] 0:02:38 2[Views] 201205 2[Rating] 4.86 2[Uploaded] 2009-04-28 2[Description] A collage of Youtube clips to the original recording from Gil Scott Heron's classic first album. Please rate & share - and Check out other stuff on my channel. Words from the later, and more well-known recording are: You will not be able to [00:09:16] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NItWb5hy-W0 [00:09:17] You4Tube 2[Title] BT - Revolution 2[Category] Music 2[Duration] 0:03:53 2[Views] 4120 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2010-06-23 2[Description] The song from a video game ATV Offroad Fury 2 [00:09:17] :P [00:09:30] Ah :) [00:09:34] :) [00:10:23] not that I care much for commercial music :P [00:10:37] we have #music channel :D [00:10:40] All oldies do eventually. [00:10:47] lukas: How the transscribing is going? [00:11:16] transcribing* [00:13:57] *** Quits: pax (pax@RBOSE-cd714b11.dip.t-dialin.net) (Quit: THE MATTRESS HAS ME!) [00:14:07] lol [00:15:25] time for sleep.. :) [00:15:29] goodnight everybody [00:15:35] good night DustWolf [00:15:38] Take care man. [00:18:22] *zZz* [00:30:33] *** Quits: idk (idk@RBOSE-664672aa.bb.online.no) (Quit: Lost terminal) [00:30:53] *** Joins: comotion (preston@RBOSE-f90c9e66.177.getinternet.no) [00:39:59] *** Joins: adam (qwebirc@RBOSE-9bf9bf17.bredband.comhem.se) [00:43:03] hi adam [00:46:08] *** Quits: Antilect (Markus@RBOSE-e6ebb2a4.tbcn.telia.com) (Client closed the connection) [00:46:08] -|UFO|- Mecha2 has quit FREENODE (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [00:47:02] -|UFO|- mode change by |UFO| on FREENODE: +v kalken [00:51:07] http://usahitman.com/aussie-bank%E2%80%99s-computer-glitch-leaves-millions-without-money/ [00:51:10] URL Title: Aussie bank’s computer glitch leaves millions without money | USAHM Conspiracy News (at usahitman.com) [00:57:02] lukas: yeah, that's correct, i might have connected from my stationary machine [00:59:37] Viper: oh common, how do you come to the conclusion that wikileaks is affiliated with the central intimidation agency? [01:00:42] i mean... seriously? sources? [01:03:44] *** Quits: Cyclo (Cyclo@C5AB1F.517811.C1AA74.06E43B) (Connection closed) [01:04:21] umm [01:04:35] Everything what they post is not new [01:05:09] people with brain knew it already [01:05:19] that kind of shit about US and so on [01:06:04] http://usahitman.com/expats-recalled-as-north-korea-prepares-for-war-2/ [01:06:07] URL Title: Expats recalled as North Korea prepares for war | USAHM Conspiracy News (at usahitman.com) [01:12:03] Viper: is still a vast difference to get it in black and white, and in a graspable content non the less. [01:14:15] Caly: continuing on, do you think north korea is informed enough not to send its whole sector back into the dark ages? [01:14:50] Viper: even people with brains need to see things to believe them [01:20:53] sorry need to go [01:20:58] Good night guys! :D [01:21:03] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6fY6plEuF4 [01:21:04] You4Tube 2[Title] Breaking News - More shelling, Korea at "The Brink Of WAR"!! 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 0:05:24 2[Views] 1502 2[Rating] 4.22 2[Uploaded] 2010-11-28 2[Description] Many are going into bomb shelters! Island being evacuated now! Press being escorted off the island. Will NUKES be used as threatened? China is NOW sending ships to the area too! What about that chinese missile we saw over california? And what ab [01:21:08] See ya Viper [01:21:22] *** Viper is now known as Out`Of`Control [01:32:07] http://www.alternet.org/rights/148849/scientists_warn_naked_body_scanners_may_cause_cancer [01:32:08] URL Title: Scientists Warn Naked Body Scanners May Cause Cancer | Civil Liberties | AlterNet (at www.alternet.org) [01:33:51] http://usahitman.com/poll-majority-oppose-body-scans-nearly-half-seek-alternative-to-flying/ [01:33:52] URL Title: Poll: Majority oppose body scans, nearly half seek alternative to flying | USAHM Conspiracy News (at usahitman.com) [01:36:03] http://usahitman.com/airport-screeners-denied-radiation-badges/ [01:36:07] URL Title: Airport Screeners: Denied radiation badges? | USAHM Conspiracy News (at usahitman.com) [01:37:53] GN folks! [01:38:02] Take care Caly. [01:38:14] tnx bro [01:38:20] laterz [01:38:26] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-d4b8b615.bredband.skanova.com) (Quit: Leaving) [01:38:26] -|UFO|- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Quit: Leaving) [01:45:43] *** Quits: Nanos (nanos.org.uk@C97B34.93ABE9.6F51D1.FC33A7) (Quit: Leaving.) 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Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, healthcare, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent..." -Bill Gates"The world today has 6.8 billion people thats headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, healthcare, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent..." [02:27:40] -Bill Gates [02:27:55] oops [02:28:27] oh my god this fucking clown doesn't understand math [02:28:46] he's got a term that's the product of four terms multiplied [02:29:11] he's saying the term has to be near zero, so therefore one of the four terms must be near zero [02:29:15] what a fucking clown [02:29:58] but I love that quote of his, basically he's saying vaccines and the medical industry can "prevent" 1 billion people [02:40:29] http://usahitman.com/fake-bomb-aboard-german-passenger-jet-%E2%80%98was-made-by-u-s-firm-to-test-airport-security%E2%80%99/ [02:40:30] URL Title: Fake Bomb Aboard German Passenger Jet ‘Was Made By U.S. firm To Test Airport Security’ | USAHM Conspiracy News (at usahitman.com) [02:40:31] Grits' URL: http://xrl.us/bh9iae [02:54:03] Grits, "do a really great job on new vaccines, healthcare, reproductive health services" did you wonder what that has to do with lowering number of people by 10-15 percent according to plans of this Bi11 Gates? [02:55:16] ok, i read your last line, my thought as well [03:12:40] yeah the statement implies using vaccines and the medical industry for population control [03:23:57] http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/Ancient.Civ_Technol/chambers.under.N.AZ.html [03:23:59] URL Title: Steve Quayle News Alerts (at www.stevequayle.com) [03:28:02] *** Joins: anne (anne@RBOSE-d57c33a8.adsl.tpnet.pl) [03:34:14] *** Quits: anne (anne@RBOSE-d57c33a8.adsl.tpnet.pl) (Connection closed) [03:34:18] *** Joins: anne (anne@RBOSE-d57c33a8.adsl.tpnet.pl) [04:06:31] *** Quits: anne (anne@RBOSE-d57c33a8.adsl.tpnet.pl) (Connection closed) [04:18:29] *** Quits: SoNeta (piespy@IRC.Relation) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [04:19:29] *** Joins: SoNeta (piespy@RBOSE-3511f9dc.static.versatel.nl) [04:23:45] *** Quits: SoNeta (piespy@RBOSE-3511f9dc.static.versatel.nl) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [04:24:45] *** Joins: SoNeta (piespy@RBOSE-3511f9dc.static.versatel.nl) [04:33:33] *** Quits: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-5aa36246.biz.rr.com) (Quit: Leaving.) [04:46:47] *** Quits: Grits (Grits@RBOSE-512d31d6.shawneelink.net) (Connection closed) [05:22:39] *** Joins: Sixth_Ape2 (sixth_ape@RBOSE-42b2b479.mweb.co.za) [05:28:50] http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/poverty-matters/2010/nov/26/africa-water-privatisation [05:28:51] URL Title: Is the stage being set for new water wars in Africa? | Claire Provost | Global development | guardian.co.uk (at www.guardian.co.uk) [05:28:55] Sixth_Ape ^ [05:28:59] hi :) [07:04:12] *** Joins: Grits (Grits@RBOSE-512d31d6.shawneelink.net) [07:16:09] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@A96332.AE5EF9.CA50E8.8F710D) [07:37:26] *** Quits: Sixth_Ape2 (sixth_ape@RBOSE-42b2b479.mweb.co.za) (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) [07:40:23] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@A96332.AE5EF9.CA50E8.8F710D) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [08:09:31] *** Joins: Mecha (Markus@RBOSE-e6ebb2a4.tbcn.telia.com) [08:10:19] -|UFO|- Mecha has joined on FREENODE [08:58:27] *** Joins: kman (erik@RBOSE-d0fb07bb.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [09:01:42] *** Joins: Julius (Julius@RBOSE-fb89d19f.pool.digikabel.hu) [09:01:58] -|UFO|- Julius-ZM has joined on FREENODE [09:01:59] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Julius-ZM [09:02:29] *** Quits: Julius (Julius@psyc.RBOSE) (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.1 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) [09:02:29] -|UFO|- Julius-ZM has quit FREENODE (Client Quit) [09:27:02] *** Joins: Absalom (Absalom@RBOSE-96a728da.lavasoft.com) [09:35:57] *** Joins: Baradosa (Baradosa@RBOSE-0d0c8259.pool.invitel.hu) [09:47:14] *** Quits: Baradosa (Baradosa@RBOSE-0d0c8259.pool.invitel.hu) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [10:05:45] *** Joins: Caly (qwebirc@873345.18D280.11DC76.10D07C) [10:06:46] *** Caly is now known as Guest52298 [10:07:48] *** Guest52298 is now known as Caly [10:08:21] zup folks ? [10:50:04] http://www.sott.net/articles/show/218723-Spanish-woman-claims-ownership-of-the-Sun [10:50:05] URL Title: Spanish woman claims ownership of the Sun -- Don't Panic! Lighten Up! -- Sott.net (at www.sott.net) [10:55:37] *** Parts: Caly (qwebirc@873345.18D280.11DC76.10D07C) [10:58:18] *** Joins: Naeron_1984 (Naeron_1984@RBOSE-1b7ee8d9.pool.telekom.hu) [11:07:04] *** Joins: Baradosa (Baradosa@RBOSE-0d0c8259.pool.invitel.hu) [11:09:08] *** Quits: Baradosa (Baradosa@RBOSE-0d0c8259.pool.invitel.hu) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [11:20:26] *** Joins: manilaenglish (qwebirc@65CD78.254CAF.0E0936.58AB97) [11:36:37] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XwES7DwiYY [11:36:38] You4Tube 2[Title] Silence of the Press: US media turns blind eye to RT crew arrest 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 0:04:27 2[Views] 11048 2[Rating] 4.80 2[Uploaded] 2010-11-28 2[Description] An RT crew was locked up in a U.S. jail for 32 hours after filming a protest against a controversial military training facility in Georgia dubbed the School of Assassins. Reporter Kaelyn Forde described her treatment as 'brutal' and intern [11:48:50] *** Joins: Baradosa (Baradosa@RBOSE-43f2cff1.pool.invitel.hu) [11:49:01] Grits, I hear your math skills are still sharp. [11:49:11] * manilaenglish slaps Grits around a bit with a large fishbot [11:49:57] *** Quits: Baradosa (Baradosa@RBOSE-43f2cff1.pool.invitel.hu) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [11:50:04] I noticed a mistake in my math today. I fixed it but I would like someone with good math skills to check it over just to be 100% positive I haven't made another stupid mistake. [11:50:53] http://rbefoundation.com/grouptopic.php?p=20023#p20023 [11:50:55] URL Title: The Manila English Community (at rbefoundation.com) [11:57:14] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U9UxAQk5Zc [11:57:15] You4Tube 2[Title] The Planetary Patriot Truth to America 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 0:05:07 2[Views] 22 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2010-11-28 2[Description] This video has no description. [11:57:25] Hey Manilaenglish! :) [11:59:31] *** Out`Of`Control is now known as Viper [12:02:06] Hey Viper. How have you been? [12:02:22] strange it didn't beep at me. [12:02:39] I guess you've heard we've been attacked by North Korea. [12:02:42] yikes [12:03:16] viper, do you have good math skills? [12:03:21] *** Joins: Emerik (qwebirc@RBOSE-9e1488fa.catv.broadband.hu) [12:04:16] *** Quits: Emerik (qwebirc@RBOSE-9e1488fa.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [12:05:59] maybe i spell it wrong [12:06:04] I am fine thanks. [12:06:29] I was good in math now i dont know lol [12:07:21] you can use calc for that to be 100% syre [12:07:25] *sure [12:07:45] that's my problem too. I 'use to be' good at math. Once upon a time [12:07:47] lol [12:08:18] Could you take a look at this real quick? Just let me know if it sounds good to you or not. http://rbefoundation.com/grouptopic.php?p=20023#p20023 [12:08:20] URL Title: The Manila English Community (at rbefoundation.com) [12:08:36] checking :d [12:08:45] Thanks. I appreciate it. [12:08:47] :) [12:09:33] * 2.4 cows ($1.25 per cow x 2.4 cows = $3) or [12:09:34] * 1.2 cows and 60 bricks (($1.25 per cow x 1.2 cows) + ($0.025 per brick x 60 bricks) = $3) or [12:09:36] * 300 barrels of oil ($0.01 per barrel of oil x 300 barrels of oil = $3) or [12:09:38] that is correct [12:11:56] But RBEF would like to have system with $ or without? [12:12:00] hehehe. That part's correct. That's were I had screwed up earlier then half lost my mind trying to figure out why. I had to leave the house to eat and clear my head before I was able to think straight again. Whew. [12:12:16] RBEF? I really don't know. [12:12:41] I'm just using their forum because it's convenient and I like the people there. :) [12:13:19] I think RBEF's goal is to be like the paypal of resource transfer between RBE projects. [12:13:45] I never agreed with it, but who I am I to stop them, right? [12:14:31] For me, I think it's fine for people to donate directly. [12:15:01] Because RBE system is with no $ [12:15:14] I think what RBEF is trying to accomplish is to ensure people are transparent with the use of donated goods. [12:15:25] OK [12:15:27] umm [12:15:38] I disagree that a resource based 'economy' is without money. [12:16:56] :) [12:17:20] so RBEF is not against money [12:17:27] Yes. I know that. [12:17:43] I am not against money either. I am against types of money. [12:17:56] I don't like debt based money. [12:18:01] yeah me too [12:18:28] And I don't like an economy which allows some people to starve so others can be rich. [12:18:52] i hate it [12:19:46] btw i dont understand this part [12:19:52] 1 brick x $0.025 per brick = $100 [12:19:53] * 1 barrel of oil x $0.010 per barrel of oil = $100 [12:20:22] But I'm realistic about the finite resources and the demand for them. With a small group it's not really an issue. But when we have 100,000 people, then we need an economy to help distribute the resources. If the resources were to become truly abundant as in Jacque Fresco abundant, abundant then there would be no need for money. That scenario has to actually happen before the money would disappear. I believe the MEC economic system allows [12:21:03] *** Quits: faresz (qwebirc@RBOSE-49ecfcd1.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [12:21:09] Ah. The population of people capable of working (whether they truly are working or not) is 100 people. [12:22:34] I don't count children because so that the resources (outside of the free services) used to care for them (more like spoil them) would have to come from the parents' resources. And that will help people stay conscious of the size of the population. [12:23:03] So 100 people represents the adult population. The resources belong to ALL the adults equally. [12:23:22] Therefore the price of every resource is 100 divided by the amount of resource. [12:23:35] ah i see [12:25:53] The salary is given to the workers first so they can decide what resources they want for themselves. Then after an expiration period the amount that was held can be distributed to non-workers. So if automation truly ever made it possible for no-one to work in order to meet the basic needs of society, then everyone would receive an equal amount of resource access. [12:27:22] And if the resources truly ever managed to become so abundant that they were always extremely cheap and available, then the value of the currency would automatically become worthless and unnecessary. [12:27:51] So this economy is a transition economy between today's debt based money and tomorrow's no money. [12:28:38] I like to think of it as the 'gateway' economy. [12:28:38] Economy that we have right now is DEAD long time a go [12:28:59] Yes. I agree. So many people are suffering because of it. [12:29:30] We need to provide for the needs of everyone first. That must be the highest priority. IMO. [12:29:59] yeah [12:30:39] So what do you think of this idea I came up with? [12:30:52] *** Joins: faresz (qwebirc@RBOSE-49ecfcd1.catv.broadband.hu) [12:30:57] If you don't like it you can tell me. At least I'll know why. [12:32:41] i dont know [12:32:45] i just dont like money [12:34:04] I can understand that. [12:34:17] I can respect that. [12:37:21] So if you were to live in a city with this kind of an economy, would you be one of the ones who would do the work and then tell the government to keep the money when it was time to receive your share of the dividends created by the entire society? And just live off the free services? Or would you choose not to work at all, instead just focus on creating things that interest you and sharing your inventions online? [12:37:57] Create and Share :D [12:37:58] The beauty of this is, you have the option to choose either one. [12:38:15] Because your needs would be met no matter what you chose. [12:39:20] What do you think? Isn't it a lot better than what we have now? [12:39:51] sure its much better [12:40:09] *** Joins: warpi-mobile (warpi@RBOSE-2e888869.mobileonline.telia.com) [12:42:45] Hi warpi-mobile :) [12:43:16] I am going to move back to the Philippines soon and my wife and I are going to work on this. [12:43:49] Hello warpi-mobile [12:43:51] manilaenglish, http://pastebin.com/tTsWAba1 [12:43:52] URL Title: * How many books in your life you would like t (at pastebin.com) [12:52:11] thank you, lukas. That is a nice article and I agree with the basics of what it says. I disagree that people should trade 1 hour of value for 1 hour of the same value. I believe the value of all human labor is equal as we are all humans. But the gist of the message I agree with. [12:53:53] And while the 'idea' of abundance sounds good, it isn't proven. And most likely what will happen is starvation without infrastructure and human labor. [12:53:57] *** Quits: warpi-mobile (warpi@RBOSE-2e888869.mobileonline.telia.com) (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) [12:54:22] *** Joins: warpi-mobile (warpi@RBOSE-2e888869.mobileonline.telia.com) [12:54:39] And even after that infrastructure has been created and human labor has been removed, there is no guarantee that the PHYSICAL resources would be abundant. [12:54:50] *** Quits: warpi-mobile (warpi@RBOSE-2e888869.mobileonline.telia.com) (Connection closed) [12:54:56] *** Joins: warpi-mobile (warpi@RBOSE-2e888869.mobileonline.telia.com) [12:55:29] *** Quits: warpi-mobile (warpi@RBOSE-2e888869.mobileonline.telia.com) (Connection closed) [12:55:37] *** Joins: warpi-mobile (warpi@RBOSE-2e888869.mobileonline.telia.com) [12:55:47] Yea, so let's be scared since the beginning and keep doing things in assumption (like in this economy) that there is not enough for all? [12:56:08] Which is why we need an economic system. A system like mine allows for itself to destroy itself if it weren't needed, as in there were enough abundance to go around without limit. [12:56:26] You're assuming there is enough for all. [12:56:31] So we're both assuming. [12:56:55] Understand? [12:57:22] If I'm wrong then the economic model disappears by itself as the currency would be worthless. [12:57:31] If you're wrong then we all die. [12:57:47] Which is the best choice to try first? [12:57:54] How many area of land (excluding 15% of earth which is labeled suitable for humans) there is per every adult human being on this planet today? [12:58:04] not* suitable [12:58:25] So you want to destroy all the land to support our current population without restraint? And how about our future population? [12:58:38] Remember our population grows exponentially. [12:59:01] Really? In Europe we have less and less people. [12:59:20] Can you provide a source? [12:59:43] China has less and less people because of the 1 child per family act. [13:00:00] Europe on the other hand, continues to grow the last I checked. [13:00:52] *** Quits: warpi-mobile (warpi@RBOSE-2e888869.mobileonline.telia.com) (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) [13:01:49] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe#Demographics [13:01:50] URL Title: Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) [13:03:00] I just read an article from overpopulation.org. http://www.overpopulation.org/older.html [13:03:02] URL Title: Population Implosion, Graying of the Population and Negative Population Growth of WOA!! Population Awareness (at www.overpopulation.org) [13:03:07] They claim the birth rate is falling [13:03:23] That doesn't mean the population is negative like they claim [13:03:28] I think they're full of shit [13:03:43] There is 22 000 square meters of land per every adult human being on this planet. Just count. [13:03:43] population growth [13:04:05] It mean 3,5 international football field per person. [13:04:21] And how many square meters do you want to dig up for metals? [13:04:28] We can process same water again and again. Your body is balance with that. [13:04:43] That's all? Only 3.5 football fields? That's not very big. [13:05:09] Well, I'm not going to jump into fantasy feet first is what I'm saying. [13:05:38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_building [13:05:39] URL Title: Natural building - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) [13:05:57] Setup a transition society. And let's see if society can keep from destroying the planet. [13:06:36] there is no need for the extraction of resources we see today, and certainly you don't need to destroy any land. [13:06:59] How many years did the wood for that house take to grow do you think? [13:07:11] How many trees did it take to build 1 house? [13:07:23] This type of building methodology reduces the need for transport of materials, dependency on not available locally resources, lowers energy consumption and reduces building costs, offering higher self-sufficiency, flexibility, and long time lasting constructions which can be counted in thousands of years. These advantages are relevant not only in the process of building, but in process of maintenance as well. Ability to collect other resources within building to [13:07:25] reduce dependency on water and energy providers, is yet another argument for this approach. [13:08:16] So cut down all the trees in the area for 1 house and then plant some more and wait 80 years for them to grow again. hmmm [13:08:43] I'm sorry, Lukas. I understand where you're coming from. I'm just not buying it. [13:09:06] likewise manilaenglish :) [13:09:17] :) [13:09:24] Cool. We agree on something. lol. [13:10:21] So Lukas. What is your plan for getting from here to there? [13:10:41] but it's strange that you labeled the most ecological approach of all this way thought [13:11:10] You can't build an 80 story building out of wood. [13:11:39] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ancient_Bam,_2002.png [13:11:40] URL Title: File:Ancient Bam, 2002.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) [13:11:58] this is not using much wood as you think [13:12:21] same with constructions like The Great Chinese Wall [13:12:53] An 80 story building is probably more sustainable than a single family resident made out of wood or brick. Far better investment. More people can live in them and more comfortably too. And it will support a higher population density. [13:13:30] manilaenglish, from the ground up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cebhomes.jpg [13:13:31] URL Title: File:Cebhomes.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) [13:14:13] okay. So what's the plan? [13:14:27] where does the land come from? [13:14:47] It's around you, isn't it? [13:15:04] so just go out and start digging in my neighbor's yard. [13:15:16] Maybe dig up the park [13:15:34] How about out front of the police station's paking lot, I plow a field? [13:15:53] parking [13:16:17] It's a nice idea but it isn't feasible. [13:16:44] So what's the plan? [13:17:34] Gov Care about People Corporations are Good. Everything is perfect do not change anything LOL [13:17:42] War= Peace [13:17:44] haha [13:17:49] hahahaha [13:17:51] More war more pecae [13:17:53] *peace [13:17:54] Yea. it sucks. [13:18:09] Maybe you could just dig described way, but maybe would be cool to get in contact with people like here http://www.cohabitat.net/ or from Open Source Ecology and organized thousands of people to work together? Join involved architects, engineers and scientists, share the designs and not force anybody to pay for same blueprints? [13:18:10] URL Title: cohabitat - INFO (at www.cohabitat.net) [13:18:10] And if you dont see that go watch move TV [13:18:15] *more [13:19:09] We have to do this in steps. [13:19:58] *** Quits: kman (erik@RBOSE-d0fb07bb.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Quit: Ex-Chat) [13:20:08] So are you working with cohabitat right now? [13:20:32] Where are you living? [13:20:39] Did you build your own house? [13:20:45] huh [13:20:48] We just started first contact 2 weeks ago, but there is more: http://www.ted.com/talks/cameron_sinclair_on_open_source_architecture.html [13:20:49] URL Title: Cameron Sinclair on open-source architecture | Video on TED.com (at www.ted.com) [13:20:58] That's a good start. :) [13:21:27] Fantastic! I've been looking for open source architecture several time [13:21:28] s [13:22:04] I've seen a few open source architecture websites but non of the ones I've looked at were any good. [13:22:15] I hope this one is better. [13:22:20] I really like the idea. [13:23:04] I think given a few more years we'll start to see more of these and then the quality of material available will be more abundant, presented better, and complete. [13:23:17] This guy won TED prize. You can be sure. [13:23:30] TED gives out prizes? [13:23:41] yes [13:23:49] cool [13:23:55] I wasn't aware of that. [13:24:33] Accepting his 2006 TED Prize, Cameron Sinclair demonstrates how passionate designers and architects can respond to world housing crises. [13:25:26] And i really recommend browsing materials here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_building - and alternative for living like pigs in skyscrapers. [13:25:27] URL Title: Natural building - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) [13:25:50] * lukas wonders why rich people don't live in skyscrapers... ;) [13:26:08] Rich people do lie in skyscrapers [13:26:11] live [13:27:27] ok, let me rephrase because my sentence sounded stupid [13:27:44] I would like to see open source multistory apartment plans. [13:27:54] okay [13:28:14] We dont need 80 story buildings for what??? office managers LOL [13:11] You can't build an 80 story building out of wood. [13:28:34] that's strange. I didn't post that again. [13:28:42] Why did that post repeat itself just now [13:28:43] ? [13:28:53] rich workers maybe do live there, but when you think about the type of preferred by people architecture, it's natural, it has land, is green or whatever, and buildings are with small amount of floors [13:29:04] I copy/past it Manilaenglish :) [13:29:17] you said that before [13:29:17] 80 story buildings would use up less resources and less energy after they're built. [13:29:26] ahhhh. I see. [13:29:36] I would not live in 80 story building [13:29:41] And i think we dont need them [13:29:41] Thanks for paying attention. [13:30:05] Its like factory or something [13:30:13] *** Joins: kman (erik@RBOSE-d0fb07bb.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [13:30:23] Yo kman! :) [13:30:28] Viper, i feel the same about such buildings. [13:30:49] chicken factory or something hehe [13:30:55] haha [13:31:01] Hi there ya'll [13:31:07] hi kman :) [13:31:15] So if today's population gets to have 3 football fields of space to themselves. How many football fields of space do we get to have 50 years from now? 100 years from now? And how much space will we have for food? And what about the animals? How much space do they get? [13:31:31] Man i dont need even 1 football field [13:31:48] welcome kman [13:31:48] its too big for me sorry [13:32:01] are you going to eat? [13:32:09] Do you like bread? [13:32:16] I dont need 1 football field to eat [13:32:17] bread uses wheat [13:32:20] Wheat is a grass. [13:32:22] manilaenglish, many people do live with partners, then you have 2 x 3,5 football field [13:32:37] You need a lot of space to grow enough wheat to feed just 1 person let alone the entire planet. [13:32:49] no you dont [13:32:56] okay. But for how long? [13:33:00] not 3 fields [13:33:05] It doesn't sound sustainable. [13:33:27] Right now we make more food then every one on earth need [13:33:30] viper, add corn, squash, pumpkins, cotton, apple trees and so on. [13:33:39] 10 000 square meters (only 1/4 of considered land) is required to produce food for 10 people annually [13:33:40] we make 2 time more food then earth population [13:33:50] So how do we do that??? [13:33:53] ...with permaculture [13:34:05] *** Joins: humanity (qwebirc@E0E056.37BB12.CBB70F.F72205) [13:34:10] because we've consolidated into cities and grow food grouped together in dense populations. [13:34:26] ,morning [13:34:26] * rBOTse wishes everbody in #RBOSE a wonderful morning and a great start in the day! [13:34:28] we grow them flat, that's the basic problem [13:34:39] why is flat a problem? [13:34:41] Hey humanity :) [13:34:42] right [13:34:49] But you don't like skyscrapers [13:34:51] hello [13:34:57] humanity, because you don't use volume, just surface [13:34:57] *** Quits: kalken (default@RBOSE-fddf66be.bredband.comhem.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [13:35:00] We can use them to grow food [13:35:02] *** Joins: kalken (default@RBOSE-1c8c1828.bredband.comhem.se) [13:35:05] But not 80 floors LOL [13:35:05] you want every house made out of cob and wood [13:35:16] Hello Humanity [13:35:19] lol [13:35:29] sure, 80 floors might not be necessary today [13:35:37] maybe 8 floors would be enough [13:35:49] Lets grow food in Skyscrapers :D [13:35:52] manilaenglish, I don't know :) But i think it's a nice, cheap, ecological, self-sufficient, sustainable alternative even for today :) [13:36:06] but I didn't do the math so don't quote me on that. 8 floors just came out of my butt [13:36:23] hehe [13:36:31] Whats the topic? Food production? [13:36:53] kman, building and resources :) [13:36:59] Oh. [13:37:05] sustainable resources and its limits [13:37:24] A broad spectrum of analysis then ^^ [13:37:31] but right now specifically about buildings [13:37:56] yea :) [13:37:58] Im taking a course in timbering this summer actually.- [13:38:03] Looking forward to that. [13:38:21] I think just we may offer to people alternatives, and I don't think that doing things only one way is smart. [13:38:31] That sounds like it will be fun. I want to learn more about ecology myself. [13:38:48] I agree with you lukas [13:39:27] diversity has always been the success of evolution [13:39:35] Did I say that right? [13:40:36] don't know the answer, it's very complex problem, we only know part of history [13:40:51] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qUzqkuKnsc&feature=related [13:40:52] You4Tube 2[Title] Celtic Tiger Vikings 2[Category] Entertainment 2[Duration] 0:04:38 2[Views] 63831 2[Rating] 4.78 2[Uploaded] 2007-03-18 2[Description] Michael Flatley Celtic Tiger Vikings [13:41:03] AND we only know parts of knowledge itself. [13:41:37] It's important to allow experimentation. [13:42:33] regarding the natural constructions, I think that that would be right now good option to help people in Africa and other developing regions [13:42:39] I am going to see what I can do about the poverty in the Philippines. My goal right now is only to provide the necessities for everyone. That is the primary goal. [13:43:03] Like I said earlier, we have to do things in steps. Choose our priorities. Ending poverty is mine. [13:43:36] I think it's a good thing, but in a place like the Philippines there are too many people. [13:43:47] And too much violence [13:43:52] And not enough free land. [13:44:02] I think we'll have no choice but to build UP. [13:44:27] we also don't live flat, so we can move production underground, there is a lot to do in this area :) but smart collaboration with nature, biotech, solar energy and other renewable resources, just make sense to me - they often offer better parameters than today commercial technologies [13:44:29] free as in we have access to it, not free as in they're giving it away. [13:46:00] I agree. We should be definitely be exploring alternative energy solutions. I for one would REALLY love to learn how to fabricate a Fresnel lense [13:46:23] I haven't found anything on how to make a fresnel lense on youtube yet [13:46:49] only how to recycle them (pull them out of large tv screens) :( [13:47:59] Well, I'm getting hungry. I've only eaten once a day for the past 3 days and it's starting to catch up to me. I better go grab my second meal of the day. [13:48:55] *** Parts: manilaenglish (qwebirc@65CD78.254CAF.0E0936.58AB97) [13:56:36] Viper, http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/nov/29/nokia-symbian-closes-meego-awaits [13:56:37] URL Title: Nokia closes Symbian to the world: can MeeGo make up the gap? | Technology | guardian.co.uk (at www.guardian.co.uk) [13:57:03] there you with weak copyleft :( [13:57:49] -|UFO|- fossrox has joined on FREENODE [13:57:50] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v fossrox [13:58:17] http://www.sott.net/articles/show/218675-Documentary-Psychopath [13:58:18] URL Title: Documentary: Psychopath -- Axis of Evil -- Sott.net (at www.sott.net) [14:30:21] *** Quits: kman (erik@RBOSE-d0fb07bb.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [14:33:38] *** Joins: Tuohi (Mouho1@RBOSE-acec1f1c.yok.fi) [14:41:51] hi Tuohi :) [14:42:58] hi lukas :) [14:44:40] *** Joins: Julius (Julius@RBOSE-fb89d19f.pool.digikabel.hu) [14:44:57] -|UFO|- Julius-ZM has joined on FREENODE [14:44:58] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Julius-ZM [14:55:25] *** Joins: Diago (Diago@B38B54.890583.6B6856.BE1721) [14:59:07] *** Joins: soulrider (qwebirc@RBOSE-f9018407.catv.broadband.hu) [15:03:50] *** Quits: soulrider (qwebirc@RBOSE-f9018407.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [15:18:04] *** Quits: Absalom (Absalom@RBOSE-96a728da.lavasoft.com) (Quit: Leaving) [15:39:32] *** Joins: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-41cd7126.cust.telenor.se) [15:43:25] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@A96332.9941FA.6048C7.BFDF38) [15:50:35] Whoop whoop! [15:50:44] DNS: I think I am in love with you... [15:50:48] !dance DNS [15:50:51] ACTION needs some room to dance the Cha Cha Cha with DNS in #RBOSE [15:50:53] !hug DNS [15:50:54] ACTION hugs DNS for GhettoTux and hopes that DNS enjoys it :) [15:50:57] !kiss DNS [15:50:58] \o/ [15:51:01] lol [15:51:04] !rufy DNS [15:51:05] hi GhettoTux [15:51:17] !surprisesex DNS [15:51:21] :O [15:51:25] <3 [15:51:26] :) [15:51:27] hehe [15:51:30] Hey DNS [15:52:12] Who is Dennis Zeit= [15:52:29] dns? [15:52:32] are you Dennis? [15:52:52] maybe ;) [15:53:03] HAWT! [15:54:15] *** Joins: manilaenglish (qwebirc@65CD78.254CAF.0E0936.58AB97) [15:55:02] ,lukas I have a video for you :) [15:55:02] manilaenglish: Error: "lukas" is not a valid command. [15:55:06] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4 [15:55:07] You4Tube 2[Title] Copying Is Not Theft - Best! 2[Category] Film 2[Duration] 0:01:00 2[Views] 209421 2[Rating] 4.50 2[Uploaded] 2010-04-02 2[Description] Our free culture anthem gets a fabulous arrangement by Nik Phelps. Vocals by Connie Champagne. Animation and song by Nina Paley. [15:55:58] didn't know you did rubmixes DNS :) [15:56:13] I want to grind you on the dancefloor to these fat beats [15:56:30] manilaenglish, thanks, i have that video on profile already :) [15:56:48] I thought you might like it :) [15:57:05] We have 3 whole football fields of space already. [15:57:19] When I saw that video I thought of our conversation. [15:57:47] Being and Nothingness [15:57:54] Anyone who has read that book? [15:58:00] By Sean-Paul Sartre [15:58:04] I especially like copying is not theft. Song is in my head. [15:58:16] no. i haven't read it. [15:58:37] *** Joins: Hakufu (Hakufu@RBOSE-baae0a0d.bredband.tre.se) [15:59:38] *** Hakufu is now known as Guest41591 [15:59:48] It seems like an interesting chunk of paper :) [16:00:03] manilaenglish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcvd5JZkUXY I like that one as well [16:00:04] You4Tube 2[Title] All Creative Work Is Derivative 2[Category] Film 2[Duration] 0:02:21 2[Views] 99276 2[Rating] 4.89 2[Uploaded] 2010-02-09 2[Description] Our second "Minute Meme," illustrating how all creative work builds on what came before. Photographed and animated by Nina Paley. Music by Todd Michaelsen ("Sita's String Theory," a Bonus Track on the soon-to-be-released Sita Sings the Blues soundtrack CD!). Photographed a [16:06:47] that's quite a party those characters were having GhettoTux [16:12:56] *** Joins: bittt (idk-h-reserv@RBOSE-664672aa.bb.online.no) [16:17:11] *** Quits: manilaenglish (qwebirc@65CD78.254CAF.0E0936.58AB97) (Quit: Page closed) [16:23:47] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@A96332.9941FA.6048C7.BFDF38) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [16:25:55] *** Joins: Sixth_Ape2 (sixth_ape@RBOSE-42b2b479.mweb.co.za) [16:27:57] *** Quits: Guest41591 (Hakufu@RBOSE-baae0a0d.bredband.tre.se) (Quit: Bersirc 2.2: Looks, feels and sounds (?!) different! 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[17:30:19] *** Joins: Mulder (qwebirc@3024FD.11F0C7.432888.711753) [17:31:36] test [17:41:08] *** Quits: Mulder (qwebirc@3024FD.11F0C7.432888.711753) (Quit: Page closed) [17:50:27] *** Quits: halott (halott@RBOSE-6d74a051.pool.t-online.hu) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [18:02:55] *** Joins: Absalom (Absalom@RBOSE-96a728da.lavasoft.com) [18:04:59] humanity: type !help db [18:05:06] :) [18:05:22] !defintions [18:05:29] !help db [18:10:51] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hEnkN_AhlU&feature=related [18:10:52] You4Tube 2[Title] Tűrhetetlen találmányok 2/6 2[Category] Tech 2[Duration] 0:09:40 2[Views] 9259 2[Rating] 4.29 2[Uploaded] 2008-11-12 2[Description] A Tiltott találmányok című film folytatása öt évvel később, 1997-ben. A témában ajánlom a http://fenykapu.free-energy.hu oldalt. [18:11:47] at 2:40, there is a machine which skew your brain [18:12:21] watch it for 10 sec and the whatch homogen area, like the wall [18:13:03] !slap Julius [18:13:03] ACTION slaps Julius a bit around #RBOSE with a GPLv3 license [18:13:09] :-D [18:13:26] DNS: did you try itŰŰŰŰ? [18:13:32] DNS: did you try it? [18:14:33] *** Joins: Naeron1984|2 (Naeron_1984@RBOSE-1b7ee8d9.pool.telekom.hu) [18:16:30] *** Quits: Naeron_1984 (Naeron_1984@RBOSE-1b7ee8d9.pool.telekom.hu) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [18:17:12] lol and what should be the resilt julius [18:17:18] *result? [18:19:53] DNS: what have you seen? [18:20:06] spirals [18:20:43] and what have you seen? [18:21:00] yeah, even if it is not there it is not there [18:21:08] ? [18:21:12] I seen UFOs. :-D [18:21:15] jk [18:21:16] muahah [18:21:47] spirals, like a fractal [18:21:58] it is nice for 2-3 sec [18:26:51] *** Joins: ciacon_ (quassel@RBOSE-abc6626d.unitymediagroup.de) [18:27:31] *** Quits: ciacon (quassel@RBOSE-abc6626d.unitymediagroup.de) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [18:30:03] *** Joins: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-5aa36246.biz.rr.com) [18:42:34] *** Joins: K-pax (qwebirc@RBOSE-c15f0d37.pool.t-umts.hu) [18:49:25] *** Joins: Baradosa (Baradosa@RBOSE-1a8d5ba4.pool.invitel.hu) [19:00:12] *** Joins: Abba (Absalom@RBOSE-0855220e.bredband.comhem.se) [19:06:13] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-d4b8b615.bredband.skanova.com) [19:06:28] -|UFO|- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [19:06:29] -|UFO|- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Changing host) [19:06:30] -|UFO|- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [19:06:31] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Calyp [19:07:40] *** Quits: K-pax (qwebirc@RBOSE-c15f0d37.pool.t-umts.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [19:17:01] hello all :) [19:19:55] I sense a problem :S [19:20:04] getting a 404 when accesing the RBOSE wiki [19:20:20] Hmmm.... [19:20:40] Hey, it's working fine for me. [19:20:51] ok it works now o.O [19:20:57] may have been temporary I guess [19:29:23] sorry guys, was just playing with it [19:34:08] ok np xP just got me worried for a sec [19:36:18] *** Joins: halott (halott@RBOSE-6d74a051.pool.t-online.hu) [20:17:54] *** Joins: JsonBot (jsonbot@RBOSE-fb89d19f.pool.digikabel.hu) [20:18:28] *** Parts: JsonBot (jsonbot@RBOSE-fb89d19f.pool.digikabel.hu) [20:18:32] *** Parts: Julius (Julius@psyc.RBOSE) [20:19:18] *** Joins: Julius (Julius@psyc.RBOSE) [20:22:30] *** Quits: halott (halott@RBOSE-6d74a051.pool.t-online.hu) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [20:23:00] *** Quits: RBOSE (BotServ1@Resource.Based.Open.Source.Environment) (pest.rbose.org pms.rbose.org) [20:23:00] *** Quits: Kebap (kebap@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) (pest.rbose.org pms.rbose.org) [20:23:00] *** Quits: |UFO| (UFO@Unidentified.Flying.Object) (pest.rbose.org pms.rbose.org) [20:23:00] *** Quits: God (God@localhost) (pest.rbose.org pms.rbose.org) [20:23:00] *** Quits: Ades (andersburlin@DECF35.678AB9.8725C0.319809) (pest.rbose.org pms.rbose.org) [20:23:00] *** Quits: bitttt (idk-h-reserv@RBOSE-664672aa.bb.online.no) (pest.rbose.org pms.rbose.org) [20:23:00] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-d4b8b615.bredband.skanova.com) (pest.rbose.org pms.rbose.org) [20:23:00] *** Quits: obst (obst6@RBOSE-83d0ea30.kimsufi.com) (pest.rbose.org pms.rbose.org) [20:23:00] *** Quits: Billll (Billll@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) (pest.rbose.org pms.rbose.org) [20:23:00] *** Quits: BranManFloMizzle (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) (pest.rbose.org pms.rbose.org) [20:23:00] *** Quits: Grits (Grits@RBOSE-512d31d6.shawneelink.net) (pest.rbose.org pms.rbose.org) [20:23:00] *** Quits: bittt (idk-h-reserv@RBOSE-664672aa.bb.online.no) (pest.rbose.org pms.rbose.org) [20:23:00] *** Quits: yourdaddy2 (Billll@RBOSE-5b82841e.res.rr.com) (pest.rbose.org pms.rbose.org) [20:23:00] *** Quits: Kebap_ (kebap@RBOSE-9f2493f5.adsl.hansenet.de) (pest.rbose.org pms.rbose.org) [20:24:07] *** Joins: Ades (andersburlin@DECF35.678AB9.8725C0.319809) [20:24:07] *** Joins: BranManFloMizzle (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) [20:24:07] *** Joins: bittt (idk-h-reserv@RBOSE-664672aa.bb.online.no) [20:24:07] *** Joins: |UFO| (UFO@Unidentified.Flying.Object) [20:24:07] *** Joins: God (God@localhost) [20:24:07] *** Joins: Kebap_ (kebap@RBOSE-9f2493f5.adsl.hansenet.de) [20:24:07] *** Joins: Kebap (kebap@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) [20:24:07] *** Joins: bitttt (idk-h-reserv@RBOSE-664672aa.bb.online.no) [20:24:07] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-d4b8b615.bredband.skanova.com) [20:24:07] *** Joins: Billll (Billll@RBOSE-f6fff50e.us) [20:24:07] *** Joins: Grits (Grits@RBOSE-512d31d6.shawneelink.net) [20:24:07] *** Joins: RBOSE (BotServ1@Resource.Based.Open.Source.Environment) [20:24:07] *** Joins: yourdaddy2 (Billll@RBOSE-5b82841e.res.rr.com) [20:24:07] *** Joins: obst (obst6@RBOSE-83d0ea30.kimsufi.com) [20:46:12] *** Joins: pax (pax@RBOSE-d5a34c95.dip.t-dialin.net) [20:46:32] heyo [20:47:20] Hey Hey [20:47:39] hi pax [20:49:04] *** Quits: Tuohi (Mouho1@RBOSE-acec1f1c.yok.fi) (Quit: Lhdss) [21:02:43] *** Joins: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-b892627d.pool.telekom.hu) [21:02:52] *** Parts: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-b892627d.pool.telekom.hu) [21:19:22] *** Quits: SoNeta (piespy@RBOSE-3511f9dc.static.versatel.nl) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [21:20:22] *** Joins: SoNeta (piespy@RBOSE-3511f9dc.static.versatel.nl) [21:27:03] The FBI is claiming a kid named Mohamed Mohamud tried to blow up a bomb at an event here in the US. [21:27:12] a naturalized citizen who moved here from Somalia [21:27:55] last summer an FBI agent contacted him and claimed to be an associate of a known terrorist [21:28:05] which is how long ago they say he started plotting it [21:28:06] In Oregon right? [21:28:08] yes [21:28:18] Yeah, heard about that this morning. [21:28:18] just a coincidence that the FBI contacted him at the exact time he started planning it [21:28:24] how did they know what he was planning? [21:28:30] because they gave him the plan, no doubt [21:28:37] this is more false flag bullshit [21:28:45] Soon as I heard fake bombs, I was like WTF [21:29:05] yeah the FBI basically just contacted this kid and talked him into setting off a van full of explosives [21:29:23] Right, they were debating if it was "entrapment" or not. [21:29:25] LoL [21:29:50] it's total entrapment, and further entrapment not to commit a crime [21:29:58] since they say there were no explosives [21:30:15] when they did this in 1993 in the World Trade Center they gave the victim a real bomb to set off [21:30:32] just a cover for the test blasts on the supporting columns [21:31:20] I don't get it, was the Christmas tree suppose to blow up and fall on everyone? [21:32:04] I imagine needles raining down :D [21:33:36] LoL [21:39:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw0WTRR9dv0 [21:39:16] You4Tube 2[Title] "Home-Grown" Terrorism Still a Threat 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 0:02:24 2[Views] 45 2[Rating] 3.00 2[Uploaded] 2010-11-28 2[Description] Last night's arrest of a naturalized U.S. citizen who plotted to bomb a tree lighting ceremony in Oregon is refocusing national attention on the threat of "home-grown" terrorism. Whit Johnson reports. [21:40:57] The somalis in the area aren't saying shit to anyone. [21:41:17] The FBI said he chose the location because there would be lots of people. [21:43:22] They said they got a "tip" that led to reading his emails which disclosed communication with a man in Pakistan accused of terrorism. [21:44:01] The FBI then said they were associates of this man in Pakistan, gave him a fake bomb and then arrested him. [21:44:33] The guy was emailing federal agenet ever since August of 2009 about terrorism shit and now they got him? [21:44:41] yes [21:44:45] Shit don't add up. [21:45:02] agents* [21:45:07] They also claim he somehow mixed up the email address with a password for an account and never managed to contact a second man in Pakistan. [21:45:29] so he was in contact with one man, allegedly in Pakistan, who gave him another email address that he flubbed trying to contact the second person [21:46:04] then the FBI agent arrived and claimed to be the second contact from Pakistan [21:46:20] *** Joins: lundburgerr-TZM (lundburgerr@RBOSE-05844981.cust.bredband2.com) [21:46:24] :-/ [21:46:42] And this kid was in a university too? [21:46:50] taking classes but not seeking a degree [21:47:04] and apparently he enrolled after the FBI agent contacted him [21:47:10] probably the agent's idea [21:47:37] Considering he was 19, he couldn't been enrolled that long. [21:47:39] This is so clearly a BS false flag operation. [21:47:42] he is* [21:47:53] I enrolled at a university when I was 17 [21:48:12] chances are he'd been out of high school a year by August 2009 [21:48:27] Oh yeah? Well, my assumption, I'm thinking he was there at max, a year. [21:48:30] at least one year, possibly two [21:48:54] he attended classes from August to October [21:49:23] maybe August of last year to October this year, I'm not sure [21:49:38] Errrr... Some students take 2 classes, 4 classes, 6 classes a semester. They were not specific with it on the news this morning. [21:49:48] this is just speculation [21:50:02] but my guess is the FBI wanted him on paper somewhere to prove his whereabouts [21:50:55] Wasn't he born in the US though? [21:51:14] Seems like a lot of trouble to go through if that was true. [21:52:08] Grits: this is just speculation <--- Yeah, I have to read up on it more. [21:53:23] He was a "naturalized" citizen. [21:53:35] *** Joins: Cyclo (Cyclo@C5AB1F.517811.C1AA74.06E43B) [21:53:49] Yeah... I remember that terminology. [21:53:55] Hmmm.... [21:54:32] Naturalized means granted citizenship to a foreign citizen. [21:54:45] which is all just superfluous bullshit anyway [21:54:52] citizenship [21:55:37] The word is derived from a word meaning a city dweller. [21:55:40] *** Joins: warpi_ (warpi@RBOSE-a9f20fd4.cust.telenor.se) [21:55:57] *** Quits: Baradosa (Baradosa@RBOSE-1a8d5ba4.pool.invitel.hu) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [21:56:00] *** Quits: warpi_ (warpi@RBOSE-a9f20fd4.cust.telenor.se) (Client closed the connection) [21:56:03] Now it's just like a brand of ownership burned onto people at birth. [21:56:45] "a native or naturalized member of a state or nation who owes allegiance to its government and is entitled to its protection" [21:57:05] greetings from springsteen [21:57:34] * DustWolf takes a short break [21:58:23] According to this definition, a citizen owes "allegiance" to a nation. [22:08:55] *** Quits: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-a9f20fd4.cust.telenor.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [22:11:27] *** Joins: kman (erik@RBOSE-d0fb07bb.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [22:17:24] *** Quits: pax (pax@RBOSE-d5a34c95.dip.t-dialin.net) (Connection closed) [22:18:02] *** Quits: humanity (qwebirc@E0E056.37BB12.CBB70F.F72205) (Quit: Page closed) [22:20:54] *** Joins: johnr69 (qwebirc@RBOSE-88c1979e.catv.broadband.hu) [22:23:06] *** Joins: pax (pax@RBOSE-d5a34c95.dip.t-dialin.net) [22:27:13] *** Quits: johnr69 (qwebirc@RBOSE-88c1979e.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [22:46:49] finally some real news again [22:49:57] real news? [22:54:48] yeah the leaked secret us-news [23:02:16] ahh [23:04:44] -|UFO|- Julius-ZM has quit FREENODE (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.1 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) [23:04:44] *** Quits: Julius (Julius@psyc.RBOSE) (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.1 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) [23:05:13] *** Quits: Diago (Diago@B38B54.890583.6B6856.BE1721) (Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~) [23:12:35] *** Quits: kman (erik@RBOSE-d0fb07bb.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [23:15:31] *** Quits: lundburgerr-TZM (lundburgerr@RBOSE-05844981.cust.bredband2.com) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [23:25:25] Ghettotux you around? [23:27:33] yourdaddy2: ofc i am [23:27:49] vait up Gehtto [23:27:52] :D [23:27:58] :) [23:28:03] you're not my daddy though :P [23:29:12] whose your daddy! [23:30:01] i traveled back in time and impregnated myself after i made a sexchange and gave birth to myself [23:31:54] after ;) [23:32:00] gotta love time travel [23:33:01] *** Joins: Kebap__ (kebap@RBOSE-4d1d3b65.adsl.alicedsl.de) [23:33:17] -|UFO|- Kebap23 has joined on FREENODE [23:33:18] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Kebap23 [23:33:30] who is going to eat up all that kebap? [23:34:58] so Billll what can i do for you? [23:35:09] ?? lmms [23:35:09] lmms: Linux Multi Media Studio (LMMS) is a free cross-platform alternative to commercial programs like FL Studio®, which allow you to produce music with your computer. This includes the creation of melodies and beats, the synthesis and mixing of sounds, and arranging of samples. You can have fun with your MIDI-keyboard and much more; all in a user-friendly and modern interface. http://lmms.sourceforge.net [23:35:13] edcept share you a link to probably one of the most awesome games ever created [23:35:18] http://www.bucketbros.com/text/5-reasons-i-bought-unreal-world-rpg.html [23:35:19] URL Title: 5 Reasons I Bought UnReal World RPG (at www.bucketbros.com) [23:35:24] !definitions [23:35:27] ghetto I'm going to setup a wow server [23:35:35] -|UFO|- Kebap_23 has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [23:35:39] u have experince in being a GM? [23:36:12] or u even want to help =P [23:36:18] I'll help [23:36:20] *** Quits: Kebap_ (kebap@RBOSE-9f2493f5.adsl.hansenet.de) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [23:36:44] Billll: yeah I do, but.. ehm, I kinda hate WoW :D [23:36:58] ?? cc [23:36:59] cc[1]: Creative Commons (CC) - http://rbose.org/wiki/Creative_Commons [23:37:01] cc[2]: With this license, you keep your copyright but allow people to copy and distribute your work provided they give you credit - and only on the conditions you EASILY specify here: http://creativecommons.org/choose/ [23:37:03] If you make it run in Linux and on a crappy comp I can be on and off from time to time ;) [23:37:21] I don't even play WoW I develope :D [23:37:27] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-d4b8b615.bredband.skanova.com) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [23:37:35] Billll: were you part of gotwow? [23:37:50] ghetto Bury and I been working on that new emulator converted into C and it rus on freebsd [23:38:03] ?? utc [23:38:05] utc[1]: Universal Time Coordinated - an universal time on Earth which is not influenced by seasons change (UTC = GMT = Zulu = Z = Universal time) [23:38:07] utc[2]: Automated time converter: http://leapsecond.com/java/gpsclock.htm [23:38:09] utc[3]: To see the current UTC time, type: !time [23:38:11] -|UFO|- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [23:38:32] no wasn't apart of gotwow [23:38:34] =P [23:38:46] thought there was abill there :) [23:38:49] my first intro to wow was on a server called wowproject =P [23:38:50] perhaps some other billl [23:39:09] heh [23:39:10] lol [23:39:48] Ghetto game objective is to make coll shitte and maybe make a RBE game for the hell of it [23:40:00] even though I disagree with RBE being the end all solution [23:40:27] aah virtual social experiment [23:40:49] wouldn't it be easier to use som free engines and clients for that? [23:41:30] I think it be interesting to set a server up for a lil bit and make soemthing like it I think the Karmah concept I saw in rbose could be another one to look into but I'm unsure how everything should work and I'd like to eventually learn more and pound out some ideas as well [23:42:07] would definetly be cool [23:42:23] but since i'm on a totally crappy comp i wont be able to run the client .) [23:42:55] hhmm [23:43:13] I'm sure you could help :D [23:43:32] even without wow client* [23:43:52] I'm just glad to have someone who can help and is familiar with WoW priv community [23:48:52] well, i haven't been into it since the pre US closed Beta :) [23:49:07] when blizzard ruined the game and made me wait for soemthing better [23:49:12] like Mortal Online [23:49:24] which isn't made for linux, so cant play it :( [23:54:23] *** Quits: Cyclo (Cyclo@C5AB1F.517811.C1AA74.06E43B) (Quit: Leaving) [23:56:12] Ghetto what's ur computer specs if you don't mind saying you can PM me if you want?