[00:12:59] http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Gulf_War_II_%28video_game%29 [00:13:01] <|UFO|> Title:  Gulf War II (video game) - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia (at uncyclopedia.wikia.com) [00:38:28] *** Joins: pettter (pettter@RBOSE-ff0771f2.acc.umu.se) [00:42:10] *** Joins: FAT64_ (herp@RBOSE-1113b09e.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [00:50:17] *** Joins: Haseldow (haseldow@RBOSE-571cde36.ipredate.net) [01:08:43] .seen lukas [01:08:55] .seen lukas [01:08:55] lukas was last seen online 10 hours, 58 minutes ago (as lukas_) . 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[05:33:10] *** Joins: Sixth_Ape (sixth_ape@RBOSE-7706ad33.mweb.co.za) [06:06:36] Morning folks [06:20:13] hi Phantom :) [06:35:09] http://www.sott.net/articles/show/219826-FBI-accused-of-planting-backdoor-in-OpenBSD-IPSEC-stack [06:35:10] <|UFO|> Title:  FBI accused of planting backdoor in OpenBSD IPSEC stack -- Big Brother -- Sott.net (at www.sott.net) [06:50:01] hey [06:52:09] *** Quits: Sixth_Ape (sixth_ape@RBOSE-7706ad33.mweb.co.za) (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) [07:01:27] anybody on? [07:06:24] yup [07:06:30] hi Billll :) [07:06:41] hey [07:06:46] what's up? [07:07:43] I'm working on apache proxy atm [07:09:37] http://www.auroville.org/panoramas/index.html [07:09:38] <|UFO|> Title:  Virtual Auroville (at www.auroville.org) [07:15:29] oo a apache proxy [07:15:46] I take it so apache can bypass router firewalls ehh? [07:43:40] *** Joins: kman (erik@RBOSE-a26fa841.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [07:45:57] * Phantom 10   14Pedro Del Mar 10 14Mellomania Deluxe Episode #463 - mixed by Pedro Del Mar 4☣ 14http://toronto.etn.fm:8130/listen.pls 103Exaile10 [07:45:58] <|UFO|> Title:  SHOUTcast Server (at toronto.etn.fm:8130) [07:46:04] Morning kman :D [07:47:00] o/ [07:47:41] just redid my mumble server =P [07:48:07] rbose.hopto.org:64738 [07:49:18] Billll: is this running on gnu/linux? o_0 [07:49:37] would you know the differnce :D [07:49:45] yes [07:49:51] i can see that [07:49:55] and FEEL [07:49:57] lol [07:53:52] oooo [07:54:07] it's on a win machine :D [07:56:12] bo0h! [07:56:17] oh, that's a shame :( [07:56:23] i think you have your 2tb drive now? [07:57:20] Billll: i can hear your new harddrive cant wait to get a proper filesystem installed [07:57:29] :> [07:57:53] DNS I have a 2tb HD [07:58:15] yes I should install a a os on it [07:58:25] I was out hunting yesterday and today :D [07:58:53] hunting? [07:59:14] are all supermarkets closed in ohio? [07:59:16] 0_o [07:59:28] no [07:59:33] it's hunting season [07:59:36] I hunt deer [07:59:49] ^_^ [08:00:00] for what? [08:00:02] :O [08:00:03] for the fun? [08:00:24] yes for fun [08:00:29] I enjoy hunting [08:00:35] :) [08:00:44] well [08:00:54] * DNS shakes perplexed his head [08:01:11] it sucks to be out in the middle of nowhere and sit in a cold field or woods for hours but other than that it's cool [08:01:19] :D [08:01:23] perplexed? [08:02:14] wonders if should kill Billll for fun?!?!?! O_o [08:02:24] lol [08:02:38] to late a movie already came out about killing Bill >_> [08:02:54] I killed two deer though [08:03:10] got nice shots off on both of them [08:03:31] did it had any chance to shoot you? [08:03:42] Billll: how would you feel as one of those deers? [08:03:56] happy that a human shot you out of fun? [08:03:57] lukas no [08:04:18] it's lame Billll like bottom of The Lame Lake [08:04:32] meh I've been donig it since I was a kid [08:05:01] we still gotta eat meat [08:05:06] doesn't change fact it's lame [08:05:37] kill kill kill, die die die [08:05:50] Lukas I'm just saying it's better than the store bought meat, because at least the deer got to live free in the wild unlike store bought cattle/chicken [08:06:34] Billll, and you just this time decicded to take adventage of two free beings and remove them? how you gonna fix that? [08:07:04] lukas what do you mean? [08:07:17] lukas you say when I go fisihnig and I kill fish that's bad as well? [08:07:32] I eat the meat I don't put it to waist [08:07:58] yeah but what if that deer got into some PCB's or something [08:08:09] I think it's shameful to kill somethnig and not eat it [08:08:13] what if it has rabies or worms [08:08:37] Grits yeah I'm wondering if the deer has worms [08:08:38] lol [08:08:42] what if you run over a skunk, should you eat that? [08:08:53] So you did not kill it to eat??? [08:09:02] I was cutting the meat back of it's spine seemed to have things that might be worms but I'm unsure [08:09:15] I've killed and eaten wild animals, I don't find them nearly as tasty as cows [08:09:17] not even close [08:09:22] Grits I never had skunk before would be interesting to eat [08:09:31] at chinese buffets I eat the raw claim stuff [08:09:32] yeah go kill a raccoon and eat that [08:09:35] why dont people eat their dogs and cats? [08:09:44] Grits raccon meat is good stuff [08:09:45] lol [08:09:53] it's like rubber are you kidding me [08:10:01] no way [08:10:03] love it [08:10:14] oh yeah do you jerk the meat [08:10:18] I like it if it's cooked [08:10:33] you jerk the meat don't lie [08:10:36] yeah definily jerked or if it's a bit overcooked it's great [08:10:39] lol [08:10:45] lol [08:10:53] I would sooner eat mice than raccoons [08:11:02] http://www.youtube.com/user/theRSAorg#p/u/0/zDZFcDGpL4U [08:11:03] <|UFO|> Title:  YouTube - Kanaal van theRSAorg (at www.youtube.com) [08:11:06] my cat eats mice raw, won't touch raccoon meat [08:11:16] wow [08:11:30] I had coon meat before I suppose I aquired a taste for it [08:11:31] if I don't like it and my cat won't eat it I consider it poisonous [08:11:47] Grits :D [08:11:51] lol [08:12:08] I eat all kinds of wild food [08:12:21] cool [08:12:32] Bill, I don't eat meat personally, but i just wonder, that beside the moral issues and issue if we at all need to kill conciseness beings because of nutritions, how you plan to counteract it just simply of the act of extraction? where is sustainability of this solution? you took something free, and how you want to fix it? [08:13:05] Lukas I like meat it tastes good [08:13:06] >_> [08:13:47] I like steak the best [08:14:02] But you kill for fun. Not because you need to eat or something [08:14:16] I like my steak bloody to on rare, I like to taste a piece of the wild in my meat if at all possible tbh [08:15:45] no I see your point lukas [08:15:53] I agree, I don't like killing things [08:16:06] but I'd rather do it than have someone else doing ti if you can understand [08:16:15] because ultimatly I'll still be eating meat at the end of the day [08:16:17] Billll, so you are saying that taste is enough to kill animals? [08:16:33] and until we can figure ways of growing a steak in testtubes I'll be eating meat [08:17:28] lukas I'm saying I don't like killing plants either [08:17:36] each time I kill a plant I feel sorry I do it [08:17:39] Just compare the picture of permaculture and slaughterhouse. Put them both on your wall in the room, side by side. And then ask for costs of your so called "taste". [08:17:47] I can't beleive people would eat plant killing poor helpless plant [08:17:54] they did nothnig to nobody you know [08:18:08] plant is not as an animal [08:18:47] a plant has feelings [08:18:49] I think its stupid when people go hunting for fun [08:18:52] it knows when your awake O_o [08:18:57] it feels emotions [08:19:08] it's been proven I think in some scientific studies [08:19:31] Phantom hunting isn't fun [08:19:34] >_> [08:19:46] you just said you kill it for fun lol [08:19:55] [08:00:24] yes for fun [08:19:57] [08:00:29] I enjoy hunting [08:20:07] no I said it's fun in a few aspects in general I'm freezing my balls off [08:20:17] I enjoying the hunting when i actually hunt [08:20:27] the other 98% of the time I'm freezing my balls off [08:20:33] I enjoy Building :D [08:20:36] I enjoy the meat if i get a kill from the hunt [08:21:11] are you saying you had no meat at home? lol [08:21:24] I have meat [08:21:30] but not meat I didn't prcoess and kill [08:22:01] and the meat I have has been raised on farms and the cattle and chicken was probably (I can assume) treated poorly and not free unlike the deer [08:22:13] yeah well beating a raccoon's head when it's stuck in a trap isn't exactly a thrilling hunt [08:22:15] atleast I give thanks to the deer for providing me with the meat [08:22:50] and I give it a respectful killing at that by using it's meat and killig it usually fastly [08:23:22] I don't kill the smallest deer I see I kill the big ones as well [08:23:23] i go kill a guy be thankfull and take his $ and home and land :D [08:23:32] i will be very thankfull i pray every day LOOOL [08:23:38] if it's to small it hasn't enjoied life enough to where I can take it away and enjoy it's meat [08:23:39] :D [08:24:30] well what about lions? or bears? [08:24:31] if you want to shoot something shoot a cow [08:24:53] both eat animals. Obvously something is wrong with those animals as well [08:25:04] or shoot minks [08:25:07] Grits I can go cow hunting across the street [08:25:33] to bad I am emotionally attched to most of the cows across my street though since i named them and they graze my yard sometimes [08:25:48] minks are nasty sons of bitches, if there ever was a creature that deserved to be made into a coat it's a mink [08:26:08] yeah save the minks, whatever, say that when you get sideways of one of them [08:26:12] you'll be singing a different tune [08:26:49] lol [08:26:56] I think they could probably fuck up a pit bull [08:27:31] lol [08:28:14] ever seen I'm unsure what they are but they look like giant rats the size of a small dog [08:28:17] I've been thinking a lot about GMO lately [08:28:28] I'm with Joad Cressbeckler on this one, I fear wrath-minded taters [08:32:35] ooo [08:37:39] you heard of The Onion? [08:38:25] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsBRfmErTEA [08:38:26] <|UFO|> Title:  YouTube - Joad Cressbeckler Fears Genetic Modification Causes 'Wrath-Minded Taters' (at www.youtube.com) [08:39:02] * Phantom 10   14Agnelli & Nelson 10 14Wear That Dress (John O' Callaghan Remix) 4☣ 14A & N Project 103Rhythmbox10 [08:39:51] *** Phantom is now known as Viper [08:46:09] *** Joins: JoshStrobl (qwebirc@RBOSE-0e212012.rioaccess.com) [08:46:36] Wow, the new site is totally awesome (rolls eyes). [08:46:46] Better than the "still in construction" =D [08:47:07] Its just Other dummy JoshStrobl [08:47:10] Hi there :D [08:47:25] Import is not main page but what is inside "WIKI" :D [08:48:29] So who runs the main server? [08:48:52] http://pms.rbose.org is up [08:48:53] <|UFO|> Title:  RBOSE PMS (at pms.rbose.org) [08:48:59] I know that Viper ;) [08:49:07] pest server is down [08:49:10] wiki is on that one [08:49:26] Maybe you guys should think about implementing GnuNet [08:49:36] Or mirroring the website. [08:50:10] any idea is welcome you can put it on pms as wiki is down :/ [08:50:54] ugh, another f-ing thing I gotta register for... [08:50:55] lol [08:51:19] soon we move to TG2 then one account will be for all :D [08:51:41] I'm already implementing an AOSDT Authentication layer I coded. [08:51:58] Going to be used on the new collaboration website, along with phpBB integration eventually. [08:52:07] turbogears2 [08:52:32] ^Yea, we talked about TG2 before. I think it was in the Dev. channel a few months back. [08:52:51] oh ok [08:55:21] brb [08:55:25] * JoshStrobl walks away for a sec [09:03:33] *** Quits: DNS (alien@kidnapped.from.mars) (Connection closed) [09:05:37] * JoshStrobl walks back in... [09:06:04] wb [09:06:25] Thanks. So how have you been Viper? [09:07:21] i am fine thanks [09:08:07] How are you? [09:09:06] Meh, ok. Could be better, could be worse. [09:09:30] btw i do not support any more umbrella project [09:10:06] and rbef [09:10:34] Fine by me, I haven't been involved in it in a while, I'm opening up a new project due to a bit of resistance from a couple stubborn RBEF members. An RBE Consortium so RBE organizations can agree on standards in any subject. [09:10:49] then eos move the wiki into rbose wiki [09:11:12] eos? [09:11:18] yes [09:11:30] Who the hell is eos? [09:12:16] ,g eos [09:12:23] !g eos [09:12:30] meh I forgot the commands [09:12:31] fail [09:12:50] hi Josh, bots are simply not here [09:12:52] http://www.eoslife.eu/ [09:12:55] <|UFO|> Title:  European Organisation for Sustainability (at www.eoslife.eu) [09:13:09] DustWolf is director or something of EOS [09:14:04] We have enough wikis? There is one for RBEF, Project Umbrella, EOS and RBOSE. No real single place where all the information aggregates. [09:14:16] Eos move tehre wiki into rbose wiki [09:15:13] i am not sure if you understand me umm [09:15:24] btw there is nothing in Ubrella wiki [09:15:27] *umbrella [09:15:34] or rbef [09:15:58] actually there is, prometheus apparently has been doing a lot of work, he just hasn't published anything on the homepage. [09:16:07] He's been bitching the whole time about it. [09:16:41] Promotheus dont like rbose [09:16:51] he was talking BS here last time [09:16:52] When did his opinion change? [09:16:54] Hmm [09:17:06] he post it later on rbef forum [09:17:11] lol [09:17:22] Ah, I probably didn't read it. [09:17:30] I only read about 5% of what he says, if that. [09:17:43] he support God or something hahah [09:17:44] He gets so easily off-topic too. [09:17:54] I think atm (based on limited amount of info) this is the most similar wiki to RBOSE wiki out there: http://www.appropedia.org/Welcome_to_Appropedia [09:17:57] <|UFO|> Title:  Appropedia (at www.appropedia.org) [09:18:47] Hey was the Murmur server hosted on the RBOSE wiki server also? [09:18:54] Yeah [09:18:57] Meh [09:19:12] router is dead or something [09:20:37] http://www.appropedia.org/Induction_heating [09:20:39] <|UFO|> Title:  Induction heating - Appropedia: The sustainability wiki (at www.appropedia.org) [09:27:46] *** Joins: Absalom (Absalom@RBOSE-cc38473a.lavasoft.net) [09:30:22] Viper -> Want me to set up a temporary RBOSE mumble server real quick? [09:30:27] I need to anyways. [09:32:19] on windows? [09:32:39] i think bill is running a mumble server on windows [09:33:08] hey [09:33:16] yes I am running a mumble server [09:33:18] on winblows [09:33:19] >_> [09:33:35] Billll start other pc with linux a mumble server :D [09:33:48] ok :D [09:33:50] tomorrow [09:33:53] :D [09:34:01] lol [09:34:09] I'm getting one set up for AOSDT at the moment, unfortunately on a Winblows machine. Getting a new 500gb harddrive for my laptop, gonna run Atlas Linux OS on that ofc. [09:34:18] Josh get ur mumble server up as well :D [09:34:31] Doing it right now in fact... [09:34:46] coolio [09:35:20] Josh are you working on WIN OS??? LOL [09:35:52] Well this isn't my computer, otherwise I'd install Linux on it.. [09:36:18] just intall linux and say there was a virus LOL [09:37:00] Haha, I would if there wasn't so much shit I'd have to backup on this computer initially. [09:37:21] huh [09:37:27] Plus when I tried Ubuntu 10.10 on here, it kept having a fucking mouse freeze. [09:37:28] dual boot use free space :D [09:37:38] Tried the whole "disable b.s. in grub" and it didn't work. [09:37:43] So I was like "fuck you ubuntu" [09:38:06] Or I should say noobuntu [09:38:46] Josh on what part of Atlast OS are you working? [09:39:27] Well I'm searching around for any shitty computers to throw Debian server onto. Then I can install Apt-Portal. Currently working on the cloud-based software center. [09:39:45] bit hard when you don't have the platform that it'll operate on =D [09:40:05] you can run debian on anything from what i know umm [09:40:46] Yes but I want a dedicated machine for the software repository [09:40:56] i see [09:40:58] I'm quite picky... [09:41:06] you have 100mb line?:D [09:41:25] Nope but I'll be upgrading to a T1 soon. [09:41:39] oh ok [09:41:47] I'm pretty sure that'll do lol [09:57:54] *** Quits: JoshStrobl (qwebirc@RBOSE-0e212012.rioaccess.com) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [10:14:04] *** Joins: anne (anne@RBOSE-d53a348b.adsl.tpnet.pl) [10:16:12] morning anne :) [10:17:01] FAT64 https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gy.html -->interesting collection of information on different countries;) [10:17:03] <|UFO|> Title:  CIA - The World FactbookCIA - The World Factbook (at www.cia.gov) [10:17:14] morning Viper:) [10:17:35] *** Viper is now known as Phantom [10:18:25] *** Phantom is now known as Viper [10:29:01] *** Quits: anne (anne@RBOSE-d53a348b.adsl.tpnet.pl) (Connection closed) [10:30:51] Mornings! [10:31:05] hi duxck :) [10:31:19] morning duxck :D [10:32:15] * Viper 10   14ATB 10 14Desperate Religion 4☣ 14Trilogy 103Rhythmbox10 [10:32:19] crazy people! 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[18:56:13] *** Joins: Fodi69 (Fodi69@RBOSE-733412ea.pool.t-online.hu) [18:56:53] *** Diago__ is now known as Diago [18:57:17] Kebap, i left you an msg in query as well :) [18:57:31] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@B91081.AE5DD2.AD9D71.CDDA0D) [18:57:35] hmm [18:57:42] *** Quits: Fodi69 (Fodi69@RBOSE-733412ea.pool.t-online.hu) (Quit: Leaving) [18:57:45] i might have lost some query msgs :( [18:59:01] thanx kebab.gooda [18:59:07] *** Joins: JoshStrobl (qwebirc@RBOSE-0e212012.rioaccess.com) [19:01:38] Kebap: just check your log [19:01:45] *** Joins: wikibot (wikibot@localhost) [19:01:46] *** Parts: wikibot (wiki-bot@wiki.rbose.org) [19:02:05] its complicated [19:02:41] *** Quits: casti (casti@RBOSE-354fe0f4.adsl.alicedsl.de) (Connection closed) [19:05:10] *** Quits: Diago (Diago@30F012.FB3BB3.A88F84.54912A) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [19:05:39] * Kebap slaps lukas around a bit with a large trout [19:06:25] !poke Kebap [19:06:27] ACTION pokes Kebap in #RBOSE a bit with a good behaviour [19:06:42] lol [19:06:42] *** Joins: Diago (Diago@30F012.FB3BB3.A88F84.54912A) [19:07:20] :D [19:13:56] man 1 deer I just cut up has about 80 pounds of meat on it [19:14:44] the hide on it is pretty thick as well I'll make a coat out of it once it's dried out [19:17:12] =) [19:17:33] yeah all deer hide is pretty much the same thickness [19:17:49] yup yup [19:18:01] stretch it and tack it down, bloody side up, rub salt all over it [19:18:19] I don't think you'll have enough for a coat from one deer. [19:18:20] I got the buck skull drying out as well will look cool when I put it out front of my house so my next door neighbor can see it all the time [19:18:41] I always put them up on the roof [19:18:49] nice [19:19:23] my neighbr yells at me for working on my truck in my driveway and she's a good distance from my house [19:19:34] I haven't killed anything for several months, the last one was the raccoon I mentioned [19:19:42] ah ok [19:19:52] and a bunch of possums [19:19:56] Grits go two deer* [19:20:00] hell I guess that was last winter [19:20:08] I was helping my friend get some food for his dogs [19:20:16] *** Joins: Baradosa (Baradosa@RBOSE-80fee66c.pool.invitel.hu) [19:20:24] going to make a deer blanket out of it [19:20:43] better get to scraping the guts off it then [19:20:56] already did that :D [19:21:08] I used my truck to rip the bottom half of the hide off [19:21:10] did you keep the feet on it? [19:21:18] Gritss yeah I did [19:21:24] smooth [19:21:30] their in the front yard still to piss of the neighbor [19:21:35] hahaha [19:21:54] I did the skinning in my front yard [19:21:58] so she could see [19:22:05] it was a blood bath [19:22:20] the blood is still out there, with hair and guts [19:22:22] I've got skins all over my property [19:22:29] nice [19:22:39] my cat uses a possum skin for a rug [19:22:59] I have a nice skinnig tree tree out front which give my neighbor a sort of a nice veiw [19:23:38] haha nice [19:23:39] I'd still rather eat a cow [19:23:49] so would my cat for that matter [19:23:59] yeah [19:24:30] I could hunt cows across the street from me but I am to emotionally attached to them since I have names for about everyone of them [19:24:48] ,quote get 154 [19:24:48] lukas_: Quote #154: "As long as there are slaughterhouses, there will be battlefields. ~ Leo Tolstoy" (added by lukas at 05:47 PM, November 27, 2010) [19:25:00] *** Joins: duke007 (qwebirc@RBOSE-265ef2c2.pool.digikabel.hu) [19:25:47] Lukas I agree [19:25:52] I think aniamls need to be free [19:25:57] *** Quits: duke007 (qwebirc@RBOSE-265ef2c2.pool.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [19:26:05] and when I need to eat the animal I got to hunt for it [19:26:25] cows wouldn't even exist if not for humans creating them, fuck their freedom [19:26:40] I don't like slaughter houses as much as I don't like abortion but I'm prochice, and I eat meat [19:26:47] *** Joins: duke007 (qwebirc@RBOSE-265ef2c2.pool.digikabel.hu) [19:26:48] prochoice* [19:26:50] and I really don't care how miserable a pig is before I eat it [19:27:06] you can quote me on that for later dates to other people if you want to :D [19:27:15] *** Parts: duke007 (qwebirc@RBOSE-265ef2c2.pool.digikabel.hu) [19:27:35] sure if they're treated nicely that's better but really they were only born as food so it doesn't matter in the end what you do to them [19:27:55] gotta eat something [19:28:14] I agree [19:28:25] conceptually speaking there's no difference between taking the life of a pig and taking the life of a potato [19:28:29] cows are cool [19:28:37] I'd like one for a pet [19:28:43] or even vat-raised cloned pig meat, it's still arguably "alive" [19:29:00] are we going to throw a fit if vat-raised cloned pig meat is mistreated? [19:29:36] the problem I have is most of the "food" we're sold is only just barely food [19:29:47] Grits I agree on "conceptually speaking there's no difference between taking the life of a pig and taking the life of a potato" [19:30:14] just because a potato can't scream for it's life doesn't me it doesn't feel pain [19:30:33] same as a gazelle with a lion biting its neck [19:30:51] no scream but you can be damn sure the gazelle is in pain [19:31:01] true true [19:31:08] the way they kick and fight briefly to try to get away demonstrates that [19:31:22] but you'll notice they quickly give up and just die [19:31:47] they're still in pain but they stop fighting after a point [19:32:21] but we are intelligent beings, we can see another path [19:32:28] in which we survive on other things than misory and torture [19:32:33] misery* [19:32:45] plants are intelligent as well [19:32:50] x) [19:32:54] yeah but like I said you gotta eat something [19:33:06] they have been living billions of years in harmony [19:33:12] I draw the line at eating humans or things that eat humans. [19:33:14] you got to eat something, and you could minimize the sufforing, why wouldnt you? [19:33:25] Grits I agree I won't eat humans [19:33:26] anything else is fair game, if it's tasty it's subject to being eaten by me [19:33:48] yeah like I said that's better if they don't have to suffer [19:33:49] Grits: kinda simpleminded [19:34:02] it's ruining the planet and if you're in us, you're REALLY ruining the planet by eating meat [19:34:07] but in the end the result is the same, you have a live organism at the expense of a dead one [19:34:11] unless you go out and hunt it yourself [19:34:36] I don't eat worms but if I did I wouldn't feel badly about it [19:34:42] fat64 is a lion wrong for eating meat? how about a bear? [19:34:44] same with fleas or mosquitoes or ticks [19:35:01] grits I have ate worms before [19:35:07] yeah I'm sure you have [19:35:09] a lion kills its prey after that prey's been living in the free his/her whole life [19:35:14] there are so many differences [19:35:17] Grits in boyscouts I did it [19:35:27] and have to say it wasn't to bad [19:35:28] haha boy scouts got it [19:35:29] but sure, one could simplify everything and say, it's just molecules altering it's position in the cosmos [19:35:32] we can rape kids. [19:35:34] and so on. [19:35:37] and [19:35:39] =) [19:35:40] you have to squeeze the dirt out of worms first [19:36:07] fat64 how can you call it living in the free if there are lions roaming around trying to eat you [19:36:11] but we need to function together, as a whole. and why put emotional and physical stress to other beings [19:36:14] fat64 I see steak man I see steak [19:36:15] they live in constant peril of being eaten [19:36:17] Billll, you don't get even for a moment that you have more choice than wild animals? [19:36:31] Grits: well. there's nothing called absolute free :T [19:36:33] I don't know about the molecules stuff, I see steak [19:36:36] :o... [19:36:36] you have different levels of freedom [19:36:49] lukas you eat meat? [19:36:57] no [19:36:59] *** Joins: duke (qwebirc@RBOSE-265ef2c2.pool.digikabel.hu) [19:37:03] *** fat64 is now known as Fat64 [19:37:12] lukas tell me how I can make a steak without killing and I'll do it [19:37:23] I do eat meat, because I lik eit [19:37:24] <-- made seitan steak once. :) [19:37:25] like it [19:37:31] Grits: you seem very narrow minded [19:37:33] not because I think it's better than not eating meat [19:37:38] just because I like it [19:37:40] why should lots of animals suffer for your simple pleasure [19:37:55] it's cheap to man [19:37:56] they needn't suffer, but if they do suffer I won't feel badly about it [19:38:03] I kill a deer that's saving money in my wallet [19:38:11] Billll: then that deer dies pretty quick. [19:38:17] I don't aim to make animals suffer when I kill them [19:38:28] if I can I just slit their throat, they're blacked out in a matter of seconds [19:38:28] I get a blanket, meat, and free legs and heads to put in my frotn lawn to piss off my neighbor [19:38:52] Grits: all your meat comes from your own slaughtering? [19:38:56] well I don't know about saving money [19:39:07] you had to pay for a rifle, surely, and probably a hunting license [19:39:19] and what do you get out of it, some stringy meat and a smelly rug [19:39:28] fat64 not all but these two deer this year did [19:39:30] :D [19:39:35] and believe me unless you tan it that thing will smell like deer forever [19:39:41] if I could I'd do it all the time [19:39:46] grits stopped replying x| [19:40:00] no I don't kill all the meat I eat [19:40:01] Billll, you don't know much about taste I think, you can eat up to 10 animal species and you think that your diet is diverse, in fact you consume over and over again the same, very primitive, with plants there are thousands of them, so that story about steaks is kinda interesting ...for people without imagination [19:40:07] most of it I get from a grocery store [19:40:27] Grits and a deer head to piss off my neighbors [19:40:30] hunting sucks as well [19:40:40] 90% of the time I'm sitting in a woods freezing my ass off [19:40:47] hunting is not fun [19:41:02] it's fun to think abotu stuff to pretend I'm somewhere hot and not there until deer come by [19:41:05] hunting does suck, and if you don't know what you're doing it's generally a lot of effort with little or no reward [19:41:06] Grits: then they suffer. [19:41:22] I think you're missing the point, I don't care if they suffer [19:41:35] of course it'd be better if they didn't but in the end it doesn't matter [19:41:35] you lack empathy? [19:41:43] no what do you mean "in the end" [19:41:45] there is no the end [19:41:52] we always change [19:42:08] Lukas I don't like killing plants >_> [19:42:31] I mean in the end, an animal grown for food is destined to be slaughtered [19:42:34] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@B91081.AE5DD2.AD9D71.CDDA0D) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [19:42:35] that's just the way of it [19:42:39] plants have no signal processing unit, it's hard to say, no they have no consciousness but we're not sure. but with animal it would surely make sense to have it, since we descended from them [19:42:43] and they have a lot of neurons [19:42:47] I barely like the fact we have to breathe in air to live as well [19:42:48] >_> [19:43:08] so really it makes no difference how you treat the pig, as long as it's reasonably healthy when it's killed the meat will be the same [19:43:11] Billll: mm. been thinking bout that too :T and all the waste we create, our bodies could be 1000 times better :) [19:43:24] Grits: yes. but you support that [19:43:28] I don't know how you can argue plants have no "signal processing unit" [19:43:35] what does that even mean, anyway, are you saying they don't have brains? [19:43:39] you don't have to support the existence of cows, pigs used for food [19:43:50] they are in horrible conditions and some can't even walk because how they breed them [19:43:50] you had to pay for a rifle, surely, and probably a hunting license <-- true and I bow hunt as well [19:44:06] they may not have a "brain" per se but they definitely have structures inside them that enable self-regulation and biofeedback. [19:44:09] so grits, you're thinking so strange :) like as we HAVE to have it like this [19:44:25] no, not like we have to have it, like I'm going to have it as long as I'm able to [19:44:28] because I like to eat animals [19:44:43] plants don't feel pain and this is a very odd comparison [19:44:44] they taste good and they heighten my aggression [19:45:03] it's of course false that plants don't have "pain" response [19:45:08] taste seems to be a super high priority for you [19:45:19] in fact they have a response that significantly more pronounced and intense than do animals [19:45:22] plants has nerons and the same trans. chems. as we.. to some part... *me learnt from ted* :P [19:45:37] Absalom: show me :) [19:45:53] and when they are young they PLAY like animals to practise finding the sun [19:46:16] and also, if you eat meat, the animals have already eaten loads of plantbased food [19:46:23] so in the end you minimize the suffering by just eating plantbased food [19:46:23] yum [19:46:25] the world is a trip, eat what you want. eat yourself.. or eat what you always had.. :P [19:46:27] if that's your main concern [19:46:28] :) [19:46:40] I don't give a damn about minimizing the suffering of my food [19:46:43] plants don't feel pain and this is a very odd comparison <-- plants do feel pain does a apple not bruise? how about a pear? [19:46:49] i's the culture of pleasure Fat64, so it must be super high priority [19:47:00] Just because a apple and a pear do not scream for their life does not mean they do not feel pain [19:47:06] http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/stefano_mancuso_the_roots_of_plant_intelligence.html [19:47:06] Billll: they probably don't have a consciousness about it [19:47:07] URL Title: Stefano Mancuso: The roots of plant intelligence | Video on TED.com (at www.ted.com) [19:47:07] <|UFO|> Title:  Stefano Mancuso: The roots of plant intelligence | Video on TED.com (at www.ted.com) [19:47:09] 's what I meant [19:47:16] it's just reflexes [19:47:20] local ones as well [19:47:24] when I kill animals myself I try to do it as quickly and painlessly as possible [19:47:31] that's good grits. [19:47:32] Fat64 funny if they didn't have a conscious plants would be destroying the earth O_o [19:47:38] if I could I'd force all slaughterhouses to use nitrogen hypoxia to kill animals [19:47:41] Billll: + [19:47:42] ?* [19:47:53] but that's not going to happen, so I'm not going to fight over it trying to make it happen [19:48:08] just suggesting that plantss in many ways may be selfaware of their enviroment [19:48:08] you can switch over to a vegetarian diet :) and learn how to be awesome with spices [19:48:12] and get good tasting food [19:48:20] and in that is conscience [19:48:20] just an idea. :) [19:48:31] or I can eat meat burned over a wood fire and get great tasting food [19:48:38] Billll: kinda hard to know if they are "aware" in some sense [19:48:51] fat64 your suggesting plants have no self awarness I would suggest otherwise [19:48:54] nothing beats a piece of smoky meat pulled off a wood fire [19:48:57] Billll: ok, go [19:49:03] how would you know? [19:49:20] fat64: ever heard of a plant polluting? [19:49:23] nobody's going to complain about killing the tree to cook the pig, but listen to them whine about how the pig was treated when it was still alive [19:49:31] on massive scales* [19:49:31] living a life it would not even have had if not for humans producing it for food [19:49:40] *** Joins: Fodi69 (Fodi69@RBOSE-733412ea.pool.t-online.hu) [19:49:47] plants can't really move much so why would they need to have an awareness of pain that keeps reminding them... to do what [19:49:56] nono [19:50:00] they can respond, sure :) but I think it's just simple functions [19:50:01] Plants move constantly. [19:50:03] plants are aware of pain [19:50:09] my plants don't move from the soil [19:50:13] and plants are aware of the sun [19:50:15] they can't really do macro evasions [19:50:22] the plant will grow towards the sun [19:50:23] neither can a paraplegic [19:50:26] a* [19:50:32] in that sense. YES :) but can they uproot and walk away from fire? [19:50:38] and so on [19:50:38] *** Joins: Emerik (qwebirc@RBOSE-942bf3ac.catv.broadband.hu) [19:50:39] a paraplegic can't [19:50:48] but we can talk to a paraplegic? [19:50:50] we can communicate [19:50:52] fat64 can a man with no legs and arms move? [19:50:57] and a paraplegic has the same kind of brain, we can relate [19:50:59] not if they're comatose [19:51:06] Billll: normal humans can move [19:51:12] plants can move [19:51:16] they cannot uproot [19:51:19] what do you mean by move? [19:51:21] sure they can [19:51:25] ok, none of my plants can [19:51:29] fat64 think about it :) [19:51:30] there are many plants that don't live in soil [19:51:30] Billll, a crystal of NaCl will grow as well in a specific direction [19:51:31] and that are the ones I eat from [19:51:43] but still [19:51:45] spanish moss is a good example [19:51:45] duckweed [19:51:48] do you think there's an active mind going on there [19:51:49] saying [19:51:51] "oh this is bad" [19:51:52] water lillies [19:51:53] "let's move" [19:51:57] or just reflexes [19:51:59] algae [19:52:06] lukas your coming up with justification to why you eat palnts I'm simpling stating eating plants is wrong but i eat plants anyways [19:52:06] plenty of plants that are motile [19:52:13] creeper vines [19:52:32] I still don't understand who is suffering when I eat a plant. Also, they want you to eat the plants fruits [19:52:34] lichens [19:52:38] so the seeds can pass through your system [19:52:43] and land in the soil [19:52:43] BAM [19:52:46] you have more plants. [19:53:08] simply* [19:53:09] most fruiting plants only produce the fruits they produce because of human intervention [19:53:12] picking tomatoes does not really hurt the plant, it's GOOD :) [19:53:14] have you ever seen a "wild" apple? [19:53:22] they call them crabapples [19:53:27] how about a "wild" cherry [19:53:32] definitely not edible [19:53:33] Grits: human intervention has caused so much, it's hard to keep track [19:53:38] but who is suffering? [19:53:40] what's the problem? :) [19:53:54] whoever dies to feed the living, they are the ones who suffer [19:53:58] but the suffering ends when they die [19:54:10] plants suffer when you eat them [19:54:17] what does it matter if they suffer one second or two years [19:54:40] so your saying if I made a gentically engineer deer that was pretty much has no brain that be pefectly ok to eat? [19:54:42] I suffer when I hear people complaining about how terrible it is to eat animals but don't draw the same conclusion about plants [19:54:49] because if they did then they'd starve altogether [19:54:58] the suffering never ends [19:55:00] slowly starve to death eating nothing but fungus [19:55:01] because you still pay for meat [19:55:08] and that means they will keep having hogs [19:55:16] and maybe st john's wort [19:55:18] or a big fat placebo [19:55:48] fat6764 if I knock a deer out before I kill it, then it doesn't suffer at all [19:55:59] it be like eating a plant then [19:56:05] I was talking about the grocery store [19:56:10] which grits said he bought most of his meat from [19:56:24] and how do you know corn in fields doesn't suffer, all cramped together, very little capacity to respire without sucking in the waste of nearby organisms [19:56:26] I don't talk about special cases, I want to minimize suffering :) [19:56:27] even though I think a animal deserves to know who killed it [19:56:33] and how it was killed [19:56:36] overcrowded, fed all manner of toxic chemical stews [19:56:37] that;s just my thing [19:56:52] Grits: they have no nerve system, corn cannot think [19:56:55] fungal infections run rampant through monoculture fields [19:57:01] corn cannot communicate, it does not have a brain [19:57:09] speak for yourself [19:57:10] you are talking rubbish :) [19:57:13] how you mean? [19:57:18] show me the part of the corn where it thinks [19:57:19] corn can turn sunlight into reality [19:57:22] can you do that? [19:57:23] no [19:57:29] you can only unmake the reality plants make for us [19:58:04] let me know when you get smart enough to eat sunlight [19:58:23] that was just a load of rubbish :) [19:58:29] and yes [19:58:32] we can improve on a lot of things. [19:58:35] smart enough to trick bees into wholly enabling your reproductive paradigm [19:58:51] but I do believe we have fucked up evolution a bit, since we have hospitals and so on. [19:58:52] let's see how long it takes you to do that, trick bees into fertilizing your mates [19:58:57] we take care of people with horrible genes [19:59:06] grits [19:59:11] you're diverting [19:59:15] might be as simple as jacking off in a beehive and stuffing ripe ladies with pollen [19:59:21] http://www.earthlings.com/earthlings/video-full.php [19:59:22] lol [19:59:23] URL Title: VideoFull (at www.earthlings.com) [19:59:24] <|UFO|> Title:  VideoFull (at www.earthlings.com) [19:59:27] you never know, give it a shot if you're so much smarter than plants [19:59:27] I still don't understand how you can compare the suffering of a plant ? that does not really exist, with one of animals that have brains like us [19:59:31] look at what they've discovered [19:59:45] smart is hard to define my friend [19:59:52] we can still calculate cause - effect. [19:59:52] or are you suggesting plants just accidentally learned how to do these things [20:00:02] that's good :) and that means we can change a lot of things [20:00:04] the same way humans accidentally learned to do everything [20:00:07] and understand models of reality [20:00:12] guess what there's no god [20:00:22] no magical man in the sky cares about animal suffering [20:00:30] I care about it [20:00:34] I feel it will help us [20:00:35] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0N8no-ql70 <-- lukas take a look at what the plant eaters are doing! [20:00:36] You4Tube 2[Title] Amazon Rain Forest Dying 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 0:01:12 2[Views] 1536 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2008-10-10 2[Description] June 3 - Deforestation of Brazil's Amazon has increased in recent months and is likely to rise in 2008 for the first time in four years. Destroying the world's largest rain forest is viewed as a major source of carbon emissions driving global warming.A Reuters Report.Stop destroy [20:00:40] you're deluding yourself if you think you can really change things [20:00:41] <|UFO|> Title:  YouTube - Amazon Rain Forest Dying (at www.youtube.com) [20:00:49] as society, as species, as environmental friendly people [20:00:54] you're subject to the same physical laws as a potato plant or a waterfall [20:00:59] Grits: [20:01:03] where you going with your rant? =) [20:01:13] I'm trying to disabuse you of your illusions. [20:01:22] Billll: you have to eat GOOD plants. not bad plants. :) [20:01:30] not the one killing the rainforest [20:01:34] O_o [20:01:43] you are killing plants [20:01:44] You seem to think you can just arbitrarily draw some moral distinction between plants and animals, between plants and people, animals and people, it's all superstitious rubbish. [20:01:46] rainforest [20:02:04] Grits: scientific facts show us that we are fucking up the climate rapidly by eating meat [20:02:06] by eating plants you are hurting plants [20:02:18] so as far as I am concerned, there is a good reason to go vegetarian [20:02:21] I think you're a little confused [20:02:24] why? [20:02:37] if you're talking about industrial agriculture, we don't need to practice it the same way we do now [20:02:50] and also it's very inefficient to eat meat, why would I want to use more resources than I need too? [20:02:53] yes the practices are generally very "inhumane" and toxic to the environment [20:02:55] Grits: BUT WE DO :) [20:02:58] we need to become better [20:03:00] on everything [20:03:04] and why support failing models [20:03:08] but I still am going to continue eating meat, the best I can hope for is that the industry some day becomes sane [20:03:14] .. :) [20:03:16] that's naive [20:03:18] it's becoming worse [20:03:35] absolutely [20:03:42] they know how to make things more efficient~ if you would like to call it that, but that means treating animals MORE like rawmaterials [20:03:46] but then in some ways it's getting better [20:03:46] and not sentient beings [20:03:56] like offering cows self-milking stations that they can exploit as needed [20:04:04] yeah, we have that in parts of sweden [20:04:11] instead of having a person go around with a milking machine milking cows on a schedule [20:04:22] you let the cows decide when to drop their milk [20:04:38] I know :) [20:04:40] so clearly the potential is there in the industry to do things more sanely [20:04:56] not everything is becoming worse, true. [20:04:57] and that's nice [20:04:58] and that's not about respecting the animal, it's about getting better quality and quantity of product [20:05:06] automate everything [20:05:07] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0LFBM3hOLs <-- watcht his [20:05:08] <|UFO|> Title:  YouTube - Mimosa Pudica (at www.youtube.com) [20:05:09] You4Tube 2[Title] Mimosa Pudica 2[Category] Travel 2[Duration] 0:00:20 2[Views] 85442 2[Rating] 4.96 2[Uploaded] 2007-04-21 2[Description] plants have feelings too! [20:05:10] this* [20:05:14] the cows self-optimize the delivery of their milk. [20:05:15] that's basically the general prescription [20:05:30] there you're using cow physiology as part of the automation process [20:05:38] the decision is not made by the machine, but by the cow [20:06:10] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRRpu2g8-HM [20:06:11] You4Tube 2[Title] Beyond Belief: Plants have feelings? 2[Category] Education 2[Duration] 0:07:15 2[Views] 1202 2[Rating] 3.50 2[Uploaded] 2009-10-31 2[Description] One of my favorite and also most bizarre stories on Beyond Belief. [20:06:12] <|UFO|> Title:  YouTube - Beyond Belief: Plants have feelings? (at www.youtube.com) [20:06:32] but try applying that model to the death cycle of food animals and you're only going to have sickly, dying animals hypoxiating themselves. [20:06:47] clearly not an adequate food source [20:07:28] I think I am gonig to become a carnivore, I think eating plants is just horrible [20:07:30] >_< [20:07:37] I'm gonna go do christmas cards [20:07:44] :) bye guys [20:07:50] bye :D [20:07:51] okay Mr. Traditional [20:07:54] nice chatting with you [20:07:55] arguing against eating meat [20:08:15] I think I am for eating meat even more now [20:08:18] >_> [20:08:22] let's talk about the suffering caused by sending christmas cards [20:08:36] haha [20:08:50] all the malaysian children stacking up cards and boxing them as they come off a press [20:09:40] the whole "greeting card" and decorations industry designed solely to provide seasonal boosts to the economy [20:09:57] with christmas as the last roundup of the year before tax time [20:10:15] could there be any more horrible an act than participating in this farce [20:10:44] *** Joins: Diago_ (Diago@30F012.FB3BB3.A88F84.54912A) [20:10:51] make sure you go out and spend your dwindling savings on superfluous plastic gifts for everyone especially with winter coming [20:11:18] so you're sure to start the new year off right, with barely enough to cover the energy costs to keep you from freezing to death [20:12:01] praying for spring to come because you wasted time and effort perpetuating this stupid quasi-religious ritual [20:12:18] yeah let's just talk about christmas cards [20:13:14] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRRpu2g8-HM <-- watch this, plants have feelings lukas and this was proved to be fact [20:13:14] You4Tube 2[Title] Beyond Belief: Plants have feelings? 2[Category] Education 2[Duration] 0:07:15 2[Views] 1202 2[Rating] 3.50 2[Uploaded] 2009-10-31 2[Description] One of my favorite and also most bizarre stories on Beyond Belief. [20:13:15] <|UFO|> Title:  YouTube - Beyond Belief: Plants have feelings? (at www.youtube.com) [20:13:24] *** Quits: Diago (Diago@30F012.FB3BB3.A88F84.54912A) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [20:14:34] I have two fruit-bearing plants growing in my kitchen window right now, and also a ginger plant. [20:14:44] nice [20:14:55] the trees will almost certainly outlive me [20:15:06] as well as the berry bushes I've planted on my property [20:16:12] and the earthbag structures I'm building will outlive the trees, probably [20:18:37] *** Joins: david (david@RBOSE-265ef2c2.pool.digikabel.hu) [20:19:24] hali [20:22:06] hi [20:26:24] *** Quits: david (david@RBOSE-265ef2c2.pool.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Leaving) [20:26:44] *** Quits: Emerik (qwebirc@RBOSE-942bf3ac.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [20:26:54] I make my own christmas cards with thrownedaway material x) [20:26:58] but yeah [20:27:07] christmas is a wasteful holiday [20:27:53] nice [20:28:02] I try to make my own cards as well [20:29:51] I have only payed for the stamps x) [20:30:03] I know a corp that throws away tape, envelopes and lots of paper [20:30:05] \o/ [20:30:13] we have like boxes of tape [20:30:54] odd [20:32:07] it's like that talk , that was posted on facebook group as well.. how if it's slightly odd -> throw away [20:32:15] ~the taperolls have small dents [20:32:27] "Dan Phillips: Creative houses from reclaimed stuff | Video on TED.com" [20:35:49] -|UFO|- Out`Of`Control has quit FREENODE (Remote host closed the connection) [20:35:51] *** Quits: Out`Of`Control (I@M) (Client closed the connection) [20:36:52] *** Quits: duke (qwebirc@RBOSE-265ef2c2.pool.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [20:37:06] *** Quits: God (God@rbose.org) (Quit: ) [20:37:11] *** Quits: |UFO| (supybot@Unidentified.Flying.Object) (Quit: Ctrl-C at console.) 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[22:31:30] not much. How are you? [22:31:50] not so good [22:32:23] why? [22:32:42] got a job for january.dont want.but got to [22:32:48] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@B91081.450ED6.8E82E6.BC18A7) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [22:32:52] hehe [22:33:04] dont really know why [22:33:09] full time job sucks [22:34:37] its the hole situation why im sad [22:35:43] i shouldnt take myself that important. [22:36:24] in sweden they got a judge against it. [22:39:14] *** Joins: freepp (qwebirc@RBOSE-b197489a.pool.telekom.hu) [22:39:33] i saw 2 videos that show the same objekt like over the airport of this japan city [22:40:14] i think somewhere in canada [22:40:52] very very coool [22:41:37] and a bit frightening [22:42:40] doesnt matter [22:44:39] i will find some people who care [22:45:06] *** Joins: duke (qwebirc@RBOSE-b381fabc.pool.digikabel.hu) [22:48:59] have a nice night [22:48:59] *** Joins: Hakufu (Hakufu@0E0F84.C2A8F1.EF5D19.A5AA52) [22:49:11] *** Quits: casti (casti@RBOSE-354fe0f4.adsl.alicedsl.de) (Connection closed) [22:58:30] *** Quits: pax (pax@RBOSE-c97433b9.dip.t-dialin.net) (Quit: THE MATTRESS HAS ME!) 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