[00:10:57] *** Quits: Haseldow (haseldow@RBOSE-b8e0548f.ipredate.net) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [00:13:00] *** Joins: Haseldow (haseldow@RBOSE-63143569.ipredate.net) [00:57:16] zzZZzzz...? [01:00:41] watching permaculture videos [01:00:54] nice [01:00:55] right now, alley crops! [01:01:31] *** Joins: Cyclo_ (Cyclo@C5AB1F.517811.C1AA74.06E43B) [01:02:13] what's the name of the video then? [01:04:26] Alleycropping.avi [01:04:32] it's in the awesome permaculture torrent [01:04:38] we discussed yesteryesterday [01:04:44] huh? [01:04:49] linx! [01:04:55] *** Parts: Fodi69 (Fodi69@RBOSE-7d0f92b2.pool.t-online.hu) [01:10:33] *** Quits: Haseldow (haseldow@RBOSE-63143569.ipredate.net) (Client closed the connection) [01:10:54] *** Joins: faresz (qwebirc@RBOSE-22264bfc.catv.broadband.hu) [01:13:03] got a magnet link for that torrent? [01:14:03] *** Joins: Haseldow (haseldow@RBOSE-b86437dc.ipredate.net) [01:14:17] magnet:?xt=urn:btih:42d2032988c8e5b64b3271fa893b8b08bcf91246&dn=An+Introduction+to+Permaculture&tr=http%3A%2F%2Ftracker.prq.to%2Fannounce [01:14:20] from tpb [01:14:45] worked like a charm, thanks [01:14:59] great =) [01:15:37] are you seeding it? [01:15:51] tnx, downloading. [01:15:51] yep [01:15:59] not sure if it's via this one tho [01:16:03] since I got mine through onebigtorrent [01:16:09] (found no magnetlink on that site) [01:16:20] 1 seeder... [01:16:33] *error* [01:16:51] it shouldn't matter if they're sharing the same files [01:16:51] *ERR* [01:17:01] and if we're on the same dht [01:17:03] oohohoo [01:17:12] I'm not sure how torrents are set up [01:18:57] magnets are a bit strange, but still good [01:19:08] at the absolute beginning you connect to a tracker and get some friends on a DHT [01:19:10] (centralized) [01:19:20] I thought magnet links were just a hash that was used to find peers with the files [01:19:21] but from then on you get to know new friends/peers through your current friends. [01:19:39] so it just works with the routing inside the dht [01:19:47] which I know very little of [01:19:58] very distributed in the end, unless every node is RSA [01:20:00] eh [01:20:07] some organization. [01:20:22] NSA* sorry. [01:21:17] yeah magnet links are just hashes, any other data in them is optional [01:21:31] yes. [01:21:39] but if you at first, with no friends try to use a PURE magnet link [01:21:41] you won't get shit [01:21:42] :) [01:21:50] I think bittorrents have all that extra information like file names in them by default [01:21:55] so if you're interested in how it works [01:21:58] that's how it works [01:22:05] there's a flag for trackers sometimes/most of the times [01:22:43] I've been using magnet links for some time, the performance overall seems better than bittorrent links [01:23:06] it's good , cryptoanarchy is good. :) [01:23:16] hmm I got a filename length error [01:23:17] I'm very pleased with the whole design [01:23:28] OS? :G [01:23:43] linux [01:24:09] Seeding to 0 of 0 connected peers. [01:40:33] weird, it was working fine, now I can't download any of the files [01:44:34] *** Quits: Kimsan_ (Kim@RBOSE-a335de8c.cust.tele2.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [01:44:50] wow [01:44:56] maybe try the torrent at onebigtorrent? :o [01:54:04] *** Quits: Cyclo_ (Cyclo@C5AB1F.517811.C1AA74.06E43B) (Connection closed) [02:13:05] *** Quits: Haseldow (haseldow@RBOSE-b86437dc.ipredate.net) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [02:13:47] now I'm seedin' [02:15:08] *** Joins: Haseldow (haseldow@RBOSE-acb389a4.ipredate.net) [02:23:57] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vTmwn7T1bg [02:23:58] You4Tube 2[Title] 2Pac's Killer Arrested 2[Category] Entertainment 2[Duration] 0:02:11 2[Views] 312 2[Rating] 3.88 2[Uploaded] 2010-12-28 2[Description] the murderer of Tupac Shakur has been arrested. Suge Knight has been charged in the death of Tupac Shakur. 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[02:56:39] yes [02:56:42] whats up [02:56:48] !poke Fat64 [02:56:51] ACTION pokes Fat64 in #RBOSE a bit with a good behaviour [02:59:16] YES [02:59:20] I was thinking [02:59:28] what is dns planning to do, transitional wise [03:02:36] 0_o [03:03:01] like prepare for moving to warmer country [03:03:07] or just to some community [03:03:08] hehehe [03:03:12] because I am [03:03:17] and curious what other people are thinking [03:03:21] yea sometimes i would like to be in ecuador [03:03:26] instead of germany [03:03:30] :> [03:03:53] close to the equator oh yeah [03:03:59] yea [03:04:05] the political climate there then? [03:04:12] humm [03:04:13] it's between southamerica and northamerica .___. [03:04:18] opens up for all kind of shenanigans [03:04:23] ;D [03:04:27] well ok, not between but close [03:04:31] !tz ecuador [03:04:33] DNS777, The time in Ecuador is Wed Dec 29 09:04:31 PM 2010 (UTC-5000) [03:04:48] !weather ecuador [03:04:50] 39,900,000 results | Ecuador : Weather Underground @ http://www.wunderground.com/global/EQ.html | Quito, Ecuador Forecast : Weather Underground @ http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/84071.html | Weather.com - Ecuador @ http://www.weather.com/common/drilldown/EC.html [03:04:53] haha [03:05:04] !weather galapagos [03:05:06] Weather for Galápagos, Spain: 4°C, Current: Clear, Wind: N at 10 km/h; Humidity: 93%; Thu: Chance of rain (6°C|2°C); Fri: Chance of rain (6°C|3°C); Sat: Chance of rain (8°C|1°C) [03:05:18] spain ;D [03:05:22] !weather Guayas [03:05:24] Weather for Guayas, Ecuador: 26°C, Current: Mostly Cloudy, Wind: N at 2 km/h; Humidity: 69%; Wed: Partly sunny (29°C|22°C); Thu: Chance of rain (30°C|23°C); Fri: Chance of rain (30°C|23°C) [03:05:28] 26 in ecuador [03:05:32] !weather Hagfors [03:05:33] uh yea [03:05:34] Weather for Hagfors, Sweden: -13°C, Wind: W at 0 km/h, Humidity: 78%; Thu: Chance of snow (-6°C|-8°C); Fri: Chance of snow (-1°C|-7°C); Sat: Mostly sunny (-6°C|-8°C) [03:05:37] -13 here xD [03:05:42] !weather hamburg [03:05:42] my mom goes to work in -30 [03:05:44] Weather for Hamburg, Germany: -9°C, Current: Mostly Cloudy, Wind: E at 8 km/h; Humidity: 93%; Thu: Clear (2°C|-6°C); Fri: Chance of snow (3°C|-2°C); Sat: Chance of snow (3°C|-6°C) [03:05:48] nice [03:05:56] IT SUCKS BRO [03:05:58] we need to move [03:06:00] lol [03:06:01] :D [03:06:14] so yeah, I will write down ecuador .. on the list here [03:06:37] !weather quito [03:06:40] Weather for Quito, Ecuador: 13°C, Current: Cloudy, Wind: N at 0 km/h; Humidity: 88%; Wed: Chance of storm (20°C|7°C); Thu: Chance of storm (19°C|8°C); Fri: Chance of storm (19°C|8°C) [03:07:54] hm :o [03:08:02] big diff ey [03:10:12] ecuador is big [03:10:14] :> [03:10:28] hueg [03:10:35] huuuuge [03:10:35] DNS777: tell me more about ecuador [03:10:47] a lot of sexy chicas [03:10:49] hahaha [03:10:50] :> [03:10:53] ;D [03:11:09] no but srsl [03:11:27] hm maybe we can speak about that soon in mumble? [03:11:30] would be better [03:11:48] its quite a long time ago as i was readin more about ecuador but i can refresh [03:12:05] I have no mic [03:12:08] but I will fix it [03:12:13] get a headset [03:12:16] ;D [03:12:18] yeah, not at home right now [03:12:20] @parents x) [03:12:26] limited hardware [03:12:33] but we will definitely have a long talk. 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The National Identity Register, the database that holds personal information and fingerprints of card holders, would also be destroyed under this first piece o [10:50:41] http://www.ips.gov.uk/cps/rde/xchg/ips_live/hs.xsl/53.htm [10:50:42] URL Title: IPS - Identity cards (at www.ips.gov.uk) [10:52:08] ,pillow lukas [10:52:09] * rBOTse quickly throws a pillow in the face of lukas [10:52:26] :) [11:08:47] *** Joins: Tuohimetsa (Mouho1@RBOSE-acec1f1c.yok.fi) [11:12:10] *** Quits: SoNeta (piespy@rbose.IRC.people) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [11:13:10] *** Joins: SoNeta (piespy@RBOSE-3511f9dc.static.versatel.nl) [11:18:10] *** Quits: SoNeta (piespy@rbose.IRC.people) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [11:19:10] *** Joins: SoNeta (piespy@RBOSE-3511f9dc.static.versatel.nl) [11:19:44] *** Quits: Fodi69 (Fodi69@RBOSE-f194bed4.pool.t-online.hu) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [11:25:38] *** Joins: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-fdc989f1.mobileonline.telia.com) [12:01:56] *** Joins: kman2 (kman@11ED70.39EA55.859DFC.C0D209) [12:02:31] *** Quits: Haseldow (haseldow@RBOSE-99d34d76.ipredate.net) (Client closed the connection) [12:05:42] *** Joins: Haseldow (haseldow@RBOSE-c386dded.pp.htv.fi) [12:08:59] *** Quits: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-fdc989f1.mobileonline.telia.com) (Connection closed) [12:18:35] *** Quits: kman2 (kman@11ED70.39EA55.859DFC.C0D209) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [12:43:38] *** Joins: Kebap23 (c3f5f304@RBOSE-07cbf943.mibbit.com) [12:45:26] http://www.fefe.de/nowindows/ [12:45:28] URL Title: Please do not port software to Windows! (at www.fefe.de) [12:51:22] *** Joins: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-fdc989f1.mobileonline.telia.com) [12:53:31] *** Quits: Haseldow (haseldow@RBOSE-c386dded.pp.htv.fi) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [12:53:43] *** Joins: Haseldow (haseldow@E1A5C2.984159.5EE570.E8EB24) [12:56:50] Kebap23, :) [12:58:24] *** Joins: Haseldow_ (haseldow@RBOSE-7ddeffa7.ipredate.net) [12:58:50] *** Quits: Haseldow (haseldow@E1A5C2.984159.5EE570.E8EB24) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [12:59:05] *** Quits: Haseldow_ (haseldow@RBOSE-7ddeffa7.ipredate.net) (Quit: leaving) [12:59:35] *** Joins: Haseldow (haseldow@RBOSE-7ddeffa7.ipredate.net) [13:00:57] *** Joins: halott (qwebirc@RBOSE-54265312.pool.t-online.hu) [13:01:13] *** Quits: halott (qwebirc@RBOSE-54265312.pool.t-online.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [13:03:34] *** Quits: Tuohimetsa (Mouho1@RBOSE-acec1f1c.yok.fi) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [13:23:26] *** Quits: Darren (qwebirc@49E764.25249B.D7A51A.62514C) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [13:24:31] *** Joins: Antilect (Antilect@RBOSE-3855d092.tbcn.telia.com) [13:43:18] *** Joins: scrdcow (scrdcow@866F01.DF75AF.4F603D.005D07) [13:50:11] *** Joins: Tuohimetsa (Mouho1@RBOSE-acec1f1c.yok.fi) [14:01:34] *** Joins: Diago (Diago@B38B54.5998A2.B56C6D.80C475) [14:07:04] *** Joins: Fodi69 (Fodi69@RBOSE-f194bed4.pool.t-online.hu) [14:08:23] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@A96332.9941FA.E7691E.E7CF6F) [14:09:52] *** Joins: idk (idk@RBOSE-664672aa.bb.online.no) [14:16:30] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@A96332.9941FA.E7691E.E7CF6F) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [14:21:37] *** Quits: SoNeta (piespy@rbose.IRC.people) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [14:39:31] *** Joins: SoNeta (piespy@RBOSE-3511f9dc.static.versatel.nl) [14:47:46] *** Quits: Fodi69 (Fodi69@RBOSE-f194bed4.pool.t-online.hu) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [14:52:37] *** Joins: Mecha3 (Antilect@RBOSE-3855d092.tbcn.telia.com) [14:55:33] *** Quits: Antilect (Antilect@RBOSE-3855d092.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [14:58:12] hehe i thought you would like it [14:59:47] haha [15:10:30] *** Joins: Antilect (Antilect@RBOSE-3855d092.tbcn.telia.com) [15:11:56] ,quote add Courage is contagious. When a brave man takes a stand, the spines of others are often stiffened. ~ Billy Graham [15:11:56] duxck: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). [15:12:05] ,register [15:12:05] duxck: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel. [15:12:08] !register [15:12:13] ,help register [15:12:13] duxck: (register ) -- Registers with the given password and the current hostmask of the person registering. You shouldn't register twice; if you're not recognized as a user but you've already registered, use the hostmask add command to add another hostmask to your already-registered user, or use the identify command to identify just for a session. This command (and all other (1 more message) [15:12:24] duxck: /w rbotse ,register [15:13:03] *** Quits: Mecha3 (Antilect@RBOSE-3855d092.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [15:13:06] ah /msg not /w ^^ [15:13:17] got it [15:13:27] ,quote add Courage is contagious. When a brave man takes a stand, the spines of others are often stiffened. ~ Billy Graham [15:13:27] duxck: The operation succeeded. Quote #160 added. [15:13:33] *** Joins: Mecha3 (Antilect@RBOSE-3855d092.tbcn.telia.com) [15:13:34] ,quote show 160 [15:13:34] duxck: Error: The "Quote" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "show" in it. Try "list Quote" to see the commands in the "Quote" plugin. [15:13:41] ,list quote [15:13:41] duxck: add, change, get, random, remove, search, and stats [15:13:45] ,quote get 160 [15:13:45] duxck: Quote #160: "Courage is contagious. When a brave man takes a stand, the spines of others are often stiffened. ~ Billy Graham" (added by duxck at 02:13 PM, December 30, 2010) [15:15:03] *** Quits: Antilect (Antilect@RBOSE-3855d092.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [15:15:34] :) [15:17:11] *** Quits: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-fdc989f1.mobileonline.telia.com) (Connection closed) [15:23:06] *** Quits: Diago (Diago@B38B54.5998A2.B56C6D.80C475) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [15:32:04] *** Joins: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-fdc989f1.mobileonline.telia.com) [15:33:36] Guys, I wonder what you think about such a thought: I think we here are part of the population which has a shift in values. We no longer value the same what majority of our population does. The most important value out there is scarcity. Other people love to create deficits, limits but we don't. Many other new values and lack of many are a consequences of this. We don't value obsolescence, patents, intellectual property, work which is kept proprietary instead [15:33:38] of being shared. Because the scarcity is the number one value for others, this makes us really noticeably different. 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(idk@RBOSE-664672aa.bb.online.no) [15:36:28] *** Joins: DNS (DNS777@NetAdmin.RBOSE) [15:36:28] *** Joins: obst (obst6@RBOSE-83d0ea30.kimsufi.com) [15:38:45] *** Joins: Antilect (Antilect@RBOSE-3855d092.tbcn.telia.com) [15:41:29] I dont think, scarcity is the number one value for others [15:41:34] *** Quits: Mecha3 (Antilect@RBOSE-3855d092.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [15:41:42] it is more of a tradition, consesus of sort [15:41:59] agree to the rest though [15:47:53] I think it is for most Kebap23 [15:48:47] thanks Kebap23, i somehow feel surrounded IRL by people loving scarcity, maybe they haven't thought ever about it, but they behave this way on subconscious level all the time [15:51:59] for example most people for example tend to say to each other "you need to take a professional to do it", while in fact they just need _enough_ knowledge and experience [15:52:16] Germans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHw5T4_JmmM [15:52:17] You4Tube 2[Title] lol internet 2[Category] Entertainment 2[Duration] 0:03:16 2[Views] 466614 2[Rating] 4.70 2[Uploaded] 2007-04-09 2[Description] A music video by Jakob Bienenhalm http://bienenhalm.de/ Credits: Music & Video: Jan C. Obergfell Dance & Performance: Julia Schramm Sebastian Glaser [15:52:18] silly germans :D [15:52:46] * Phantom 10   14The Dada Weatherman 10 & 14Viper's Dream 4☣ 14The Green Waltz http://stream101.jamendo.com/stream/244237/ogg2/11%20-%20The%20Dada%20Weatherman%20-%20Viper%27s%20Dream.ogg?u=0&h=ff21c1a86e/listen.pls 103Exaile10 [15:54:39] lukas, yeah i also think this is mostly not conscious [15:55:15] lukas: fully agree. Most people learn how to be stupid. And they seem to accept a reality which is actually mostly a behaviordriven system that has evolved when scarcity really was a big problem. Now it seems like this system has great problems with non-scarcity also, because then we do not have any method to value things. [15:57:11] and if one cant even identify and look at the box that creates this problem, it will then be impossible to try to solve the problem inside that box. Its like bad math rules. Hard to correct with formulas later :D [15:57:30] we have SO MANY people thinking that if they work will be more rare, it will be more valuable, how many don't think this way? in fact let's ask from physical perspective about the number of occurrence of something and does it really has anything to do with quality of it? does less photons emitted from a specific device would be of better quality, if the device produces same photons anyway?!\ [15:58:51] :) [15:59:07] their* work [16:00:57] if feels something like pain in my head when I even try today grasp how one can have such values, I just cannot anymore, and it's a pain in brain, a short circuit ;) [16:01:35] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQv-sdMCClQ [16:01:36] You4Tube 2[Title] End of Liberty 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 1:14:06 2[Views] 550606 2[Rating] 4.79 2[Uploaded] 2010-10-31 2[Description] Join the movement: http://inflation.us [16:04:31] so, if one is working on a project that he can sell for 10 000 euro (it takes him few weeks complete it), you know he cannot share it with everyone, because it will loose it's value! [16:07:11] therefore a person would do 2 or 3 projects a year, so others can appreciate its value, and then we can think about patents and intellectual property, so others cannot do it, because if you forgot such mechanisms are there to stimulate productivity! Or maybe let's think... does the statistical Joe Doe got it all wrong? 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[17:14:43] gee... i just woke up ^^ [17:15:45] i really need to get my shit togeteher... stores close before i get up =/ [17:16:19] *** Quits: Grits (Hominy@RBOSE-512d31d6.shawneelink.net) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [17:16:50] *** Joins: Grits (Hominy@RBOSE-512d31d6.shawneelink.net) [17:22:22] Guys check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQv-sdMCClQ [17:22:23] You4Tube 2[Title] End of Liberty 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 1:14:06 2[Views] 550606 2[Rating] 4.79 2[Uploaded] 2010-10-31 2[Description] Join the movement: http://inflation.us [17:31:03] *** Mecha3 is now known as Antilect [17:35:35] *** Joins: Emerik (qwebirc@RBOSE-9f8d8d9b.catv.broadband.hu) [17:35:41] *** Quits: Emerik (qwebirc@RBOSE-9f8d8d9b.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [17:38:49] http://www.naturalnews.com/030863_food_safety_bill_Codex_Alimentarius.html [17:38:50] URL Title: Food safety bill invokes Codex harmonization and grants FDA authority to police food safety of foreign nations (at www.naturalnews.com) [17:41:15] *** Joins: Emerik (qwebirc@RBOSE-9f8d8d9b.catv.broadband.hu) [17:42:04] Phantom: thanks... this is real madness. 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