[00:00:00] :DD [00:00:02] done [00:00:03] Hi anne :) [00:00:03] Same her. [00:00:04] e [00:00:11] Hi:) [00:01:23] Hi anne! :-) [00:01:30] Julius, you need to excuse me, i decided to ignore that stuff almost a year ago, i tried for months, but you see the problem :) [00:01:55] I cannot see any problem. [00:02:13] It is an open discussion. [00:02:15] anne: hacking the planet? [00:02:20] it sure is Julius! :) [00:02:30] let's not get bummed out by this racket [00:02:30] what is #zm ? [00:02:58] Julius, I know, but then i ask people on how many things we work together that you guys can understand perspective of people who do the development? [00:03:45] lukas: ? [00:03:55] pls rephrase it [00:05:47] Julius, What we do together that you can understand why people who develop rbose have a problem with values and solutions proposed by the cult movement? How much we work together? [00:07:04] Not much. [00:08:03] I still don't understand, what is the problem with any movement as this is an open and free enviroment. [00:08:25] Specially when I talk about it in hungarian. [00:08:36] Exactly, what we do free and open source? [00:09:15] yeah [00:09:19] I assume. [00:10:27] *** Quits: Cyclo (Cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) (Quit: ZzZZZZzz) [00:11:20] phew [00:12:52] caly is making me sad. [00:12:55] true story [00:14:04] Maybe nazi should complain too that they cant talk and need a channel? [00:14:11] lol [00:14:30] taking it a bit extreme I think, we're not perfect, come on :) [00:14:38] if you have personal problems with someone, why not take it in private [00:14:40] Julius, we get many people from many projects, eco-villages, music artists, architects, people without that heavy load of ideologies. And then main rbose channel looks like hub for cult crap, because people who work on something are busy working, and only the advert army has always a lot of time. [00:14:43] I think this is horrible [00:16:51] *** Joins: Kubu (quassel@RBOSE-992up3.95-102-176.t-com.sk) [00:16:52] "advert army" :-D [00:17:07] Now they create a channel with spam [00:17:14] Hi Kubu! [00:19:53] Kimsan is that not spamming? [00:20:07] you are not using rbose to spamm about that crap [00:20:12] ? [00:21:15] Fat64, i think open discussion is necessary about common purpose. 90% of communities fail and disappears. Among the reasons is a situation when people really have not much in common. [00:21:40] I do not wish to chat with you anymore Viper. I dislike your attitude and I'm tired of the prejudices you have against me. [00:21:51] Kimsan, The question is what are our goals? why do we want to be here? and as you can see, these objectives are in conflict (between the different individuals and between groups and the objectives of a particular person) [00:21:57] you just use rbose to spamm about that shit here [00:22:05] lukas: you can't let go? :) [00:22:32] I am going to bed. let's be better persons tomorrow, all in our own way. [00:22:34] cheers [00:22:36] Viper: where thst deep hate comes from? [00:22:38] :-D [00:22:41] good night Fat64 [00:22:45] gn Viper <3 [00:23:20] gn guys! [00:23:31] Fat64, purpose is fundamental issue for projects and communities, they exist because of clear common intention, not because people disagree [00:24:16] anne: What is troubling me is that Viper, for an example, have different goals - as you point out - than me. But he keeps minimizing me and my goals by labeling it as "spam", even though I keep it away from him and the others. I won't, as the wished, discuss the Z mov. in here anymore. [00:24:25] We need to solve that soon and not ignore. We ignored for a year already. [00:24:30] they wished* [00:24:41] I use another room for that now. [00:24:47] RBOSE is not place to promote that movie or any of that shit [00:25:16] Viper: [00:21:57] Viper: where thst deep hate comes from? [00:25:30] *** Quits: Julius (Julius@psyc.RBOSE) (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.1 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) [00:25:32] -|UFO|- Julius-ZM has quit FREENODE (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.1 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) [00:25:45] Viper: Which is why I don't promote it. [00:26:22] should i copy past old topic here? [00:26:45] There is thecrapmovment.gov space. Should we make a channel for microsoft, childporn and nazi too because some people don't get why since the beginning we are focused on free and open source? [00:27:54] kimsan developers are tired of that crap. And if developers leave then you can look after all [00:28:12] Kimsan, I do not understand how the hierarchy can be reconciled with the lack of hierarchy, proprietary with free, money with volunteers etc. [00:29:25] anne: Where are you getting at? [00:29:54] Viper: I haven't been disturbing any developers. [00:30:07] this crap do that [00:30:13] What jfanatics had freed to the world? Ticket for a one day visit to their holly themepark costs over $200... Any single blueprint out there? Or only believe that "there is something!" ? [00:31:10] lukas: That is fruitful topics and very good questions. But there's no room for discussing that because Viper thinks it's crap. [00:31:24] topics that CAN have fruitful discussions, I mean. [00:31:27] Kimsan, Do you remember why we created RBOSE? [00:31:38] i think it's crap to, i think they cheat and use people since years [00:31:42] anne: Yup. [00:31:47] is the problem what people actually write in main chan, or how it looks to new users? [00:31:57] so why? [00:32:05] kalken: I'm keeping it away from the main channel now anyways. [00:32:52] anne: Because we were unable to use the methods we thought was most in line with our core principals, the Movement disallowed us, so we branched [00:33:26] it distracted the open source devs [00:33:32] It sure did. [00:33:38] and then tryin to get them again [00:33:40] ^^ [00:33:45] this is architecture and making happens, not asking for money all over the world and not sharing with pople anything http://www.ted.com/talks/cameron_sinclair_on_open_source_architecture.html [00:33:46] URL Title: Cameron Sinclair on open-source architecture | Video on TED.com [00:33:49] Childish, I agree. [00:34:29] i have a hard time seeing the problem with discussing everyting. I'm in about 10 or so supposed "movements" and i think most people dont realize that EVERYBODY is connected to EVERYBODY, always. I dont see why people just dont ignore things they dont want to hear. [00:34:46] if nobody is answering ppl will soon know what they can talk about :D [00:34:54] !poke kalken [00:34:54] ACTION pokes kalken in #RBOSE a bit with a fun trigger [00:34:54] lukas: that video is really interesting, where is this project hosted on the web? [00:34:57] :D [00:35:33] are we allowed to talk about ted? [00:35:43] kalken, it's not so simple, we think that work of thepenisproject is so aligned with foss like software patents [00:35:46] or link to videos not free? [00:35:48] Viper: Why do you engage in that immature behaviour and change the topic? You said you didn't want to see anymore of that crap, and now when I've taken the discussion elsewhare - you followed [00:35:48] ted is good, i think [00:35:55] Who's really obsessed with the movement, Viper? [00:36:17] you ptomote that crap and new movie [00:36:21] *promote [00:36:47] lukas: i know that. But it seems like discussions about certain subjects personally offends some people. [00:36:53] Viper: have you even seen it? [00:36:57] yes [00:36:59] Viper: No, I promote sharing of thoughts. [00:37:05] movie no topic yes [00:37:32] can i link cal earth stuff? [00:37:40] what about youtube? [00:37:55] is that ok? [00:38:02] can i past link of nazi crap? [00:38:06] Very good that you ask Viper for permission. [00:38:08] can i past link of child porn? [00:38:14] Kimsan, we are extremely tired with it, we find it against what we do, i felt several times just to switch off my connections because people spam so much about it, we are just few, and the advert army is bigger, since the beginning we wanted to have a space where don't talk about this crap, and it's like old bad smell [00:38:52] lukas: Which is why I've now moved the topic elsewhere, where it can be discussed freely. But Viper keeps harrassing me. [00:39:09] I'm not waving it in front of his face. [00:39:12] I'm trying to show respect. [00:39:14] but why don't move it to dr.spin? [00:39:45] You tell me why I should. [00:40:14] Kimsan if you like so much Dr.spin ask him to make an irc network for you [00:40:34] hmmm [00:40:50] i just wonder, so many like-minded people there, would be much more efficient to collaborate there on that subject, than for us to host stuff we fundamentally disagree about [00:40:55] as Caly said before you can open #dr.spin channel in any other network and promote his crap there [00:40:56] The problem is that t z m has no irc, but people need it, but why rbose should fix this problem? [00:41:06] I don't know any spinning doctor, and I don't see why I should take it anywhere else since I've showed you the respect and moved the discussion elsewhere, already. [00:41:25] you can talk about t z m on their teamspeak [00:41:25] *** Fodi69 was kicked by RBOSE (Sorry, but we are tired of "teamspeak" on this channel.) [00:41:35] lol :x [00:41:47] *** Joins: Fodi69 (Fodi69@RBOSE-qfanjv.pool.telekom.hu) [00:41:51] mumble ftw! [00:41:53] i dont like these kicks and shit [00:41:53] :D [00:42:14] it gives bad smell and fucks with my feeling of love and respect [00:42:33] Kimsan, it's like having a zientology church mission in your backyard, why we should support this? [00:42:55] lol lukas w0rd [00:43:19] According to you it is analogous, yes. I don't make that associations. [00:43:28] -|UFO|- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [00:43:37] how about respect for those having hade close to traumatic experince resulting in getting out and building THIS place? [00:43:43] kalken: ask PJ for an irc server [00:43:51] Fat64: WORD [00:44:07] nice [00:44:17] haha [00:44:33] kalken: i'm serious, try it [00:44:36] or use ts [00:44:45] Kimsan that group is against what we do. So why we should promote them? [00:44:56] tell me please [00:45:04] Viper: It's you and not me who talks about promotion. [00:45:09] I haven't promoted anything. [00:45:13] Stop saying I have. [00:45:24] you are talking about it all the time [00:45:35] Talk/discussions equals promotion? [00:45:50] I did not see you talking about any rbose projects [00:45:50] Kimsan: you think, rbose should make an irc server for t z m but why? [00:45:50] *** Fodi69 was kicked by RBOSE (Sorry, but we are tired of "T Z M" on this channel.) [00:45:53] Fodi69: i've been an irc admin there and i know all the shit. And im sick and tired of it also so i dont really discuss it. I dont agree with the structure, and i think many people who "think" they do good actually have very bad communication skills. [00:45:58] *** Joins: Fodi69 (Fodi69@RBOSE-qfanjv.pool.telekom.hu) [00:46:01] Why does it bother you, when I have the discussions in a separate room? [00:46:20] afaik Kimsan is pretty tired of them also, because they fucked him over :D [00:46:23] After we said enough is enough [00:46:26] Kimsan: am i right? [00:46:59] Kimsan, i would agree, your input to this subject was like almost none. It's that we ourselves get emotional and disturbed of our work on daily basis when people, including ourselves just advocate it, paste link to it, and so on. [00:47:00] Kimsan and now you are doing same [00:47:35] kalken: Completely. But I don't really see why Viper keeps up with this harassment when I have moved the discussions elsewhere. He's stalking me. I don't know why. [00:47:40] is there nothing els to talk about? [00:47:48] lukas: To what subject? [00:48:05] The spam and promotion, that you call it? [00:48:09] No, I haven't engaged in that. [00:48:16] It's already almost a year, and we still get all disturbed by this crap. [00:48:18] Viper: is it you who i should ask permissions on what to post here? [00:48:23] is youtube videos ok? [00:48:35] afaik they make money by showing things to ppl [00:48:49] Yeah, let's stop with that too. [00:48:54] did i ever said dont past this link here? [00:48:57] kalken im not sure if you saw the disclaimer we have created? [00:49:05] this says quite a lot [00:49:09] kalken, you need to buy their videos, only few are free as in beer [00:49:16] ridiculous dissection of semantics here [00:49:23] kalken: you should only respect, what is in the disclaimer [00:49:40] what Fodi69 said [00:49:42] you should search permission for everything in that [00:50:09] -|UFO|- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [00:50:10] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Calyp [00:50:36] Anyhow, please leave me alone now Viper. I've done you no harm and if you think that I've in some way have, I'm truly sorry. I won't ever mention t'z'm in front of you again. Don't worry. [00:50:54] we need common ground, just it, otherwise it will not work, we all know that [00:51:09] lukas: fully agree with that [00:51:35] its just hard to see where the line goes [00:51:45] and who decides when its crossed [00:52:03] kalken /rules [00:52:19] Viper: how can I create a new wiki page? [00:52:32] lets move to #wiki [00:52:36] just type a new title in adressbar [00:52:40] ok :x [00:54:02] kalken, some people advocate that everything what is important for the project should be created by the community and written down, so people can check it when there is a problem. Everybody should be involved, but you cannot get that if people are not present on the meetings since more than 6 months. [00:54:51] i agree with that also. But for me thats a whole other topic [00:55:02] i'm sure there are some who never been on any meeting [00:55:03] *** Joins: expectopatronum (qwebirc@RBOSE-5mr.150.145.201.IP) [00:55:04] for some of us is tzm probably like a curse or nightmare which try to follow us now already for about 2 yrs, and i ask man can i just get a good dream again? [00:55:04] *** DNS was kicked by RBOSE (Sorry, but we are tired of "tzm" on this channel.) [00:55:08] *** Joins: DNS (alien@kidnapped.from.mars) [00:55:11] l:D [00:55:26] :) [00:55:34] hi [00:55:43] hi [00:55:52] Hi [00:55:53] o/ [00:55:55] i just saw the beginning of the film that must not be named [00:55:55] :p [00:56:03] hehe [00:56:20] lol [00:57:58] i'm just saying treating ppl nice (even ppl one dont agree with) nice will get one further than making other people angry by using bad communication [00:58:19] and thats a universal rule [00:58:27] not related to any specific subject [00:58:52] if energy is not there to do that, maybe its best not to communicate at all [00:59:55] hink people define bad language differently, or hm it depends somehow on relations and environment [01:00:06] words are at least just w0rds [01:00:10] ooops [01:00:22] i think =hink [01:00:35] I'm personally tired with this to the extend described by DNS. It just worries me that we as a whole are not focused on the why, how, what but rather are pulled by the nightmare from the past. it's like you want to really work for people, give all to others, and then there are these dangerous notions, of central management, without addressing the issue of control, with heavy transhumanian (21 century eugenics) notions, full of hidden [01:00:36] policies, secrecy, double communication propaganda and neuroliguistic programming. It's really something i don't want to have anything in common. How that is related to foss? [01:01:10] hi guys [01:01:16] hello :) [01:01:47] i see you're having some deep descussion again hehe [01:01:51] ja cque just needs to change his mind about centralization [01:01:52] lukas: discussing other things does not mean supporting them. [01:02:14] i had a nice talk with Floss-ppl about the good things iphone does [01:02:18] and it did not bother them [01:02:19] kalken, yes, but then there are places for that [01:02:26] they thought they could do it better [01:02:45] *** Joins: Phantom (Viper@RBOSE-51bh0u.static.versatel.nl) [01:02:55] lukas: maybe there should be a channel to discuss even t_z_m and who does not want to do that simply isn't going to join ... [01:03:47] what you focus on on solely in your control ... nobody can force you to have nightmares about pj lol [01:03:47] Kubu: dont even talk about it. Its against the rules [01:03:47] Kubu, i think so, but dr.Spin didn't like that, and he shut down it for his community, which he owns [01:04:17] *** Joins: Out`Of`Control (Viper@RBOSE-51bh0u.static.versatel.nl) [01:04:34] *** Quits: Phantom (Viper@NetAdmin.RBOSE) (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [01:04:46] lukas: who's dr.spin? [01:04:57] *** Out`Of`Control is now known as Phantom [01:05:16] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=peter%20joseph [01:06:13] oh lol [01:06:41] lukas: what 'dr.spin' does is out of our control ... we need to decide what WE do ... [01:07:31] ? [01:07:35] lol [01:07:49] LoL [01:08:19] Kubu, we need to build, develop, make things happen, and we do that by getting directly involved in project we care about [01:08:50] lukas: sure, but a channel for folks who want to waste time isn't going to prevent anybody from doing that [01:09:07] *** Joins: God (God@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [01:09:16] you said yesteday about money as a vote, sure thing to some extend within proprietary system, but with foss you "vote" different way [01:09:35] lukas: put an annoying bot there which is going to remind them every 5 minutes that they're wasting time and that's it lol [01:09:37] *** Quits: God (God@RBOSE-gkfu2h) (Quit: Changing server...) [01:09:38] *** Joins: God (God@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [01:10:07] *** Joins: |God| (God@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [01:10:22] *** Quits: God (God@RBOSE-gkfu2h) (Quit: ) [01:10:22] *** Quits: |God| (God@RBOSE-gkfu2h) (Quit: ) [01:10:25] i said it a moment ago: it's like having a zientology church mission in your backyard, why we should support this? it's fundamentally against what we do [01:10:41] lukas: now, that's just nitpicking ... [01:10:58] *** Quits: Phantom (Viper@NetAdmin.RBOSE) (A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.) [01:11:06] should the mumble and list irc channels look like a cult center? [01:11:34] lukas: how is one channel going to do that? [01:11:55] lukas: I mean ... don't get all hung up about this ... it's really not a big deal it seems to me [01:12:12] if it becomes a problem it can be removed ... [01:12:18] !hug RBOSE [01:12:20] ACTION hugs RBOSE for kalken and hopes that RBOSE enjoys it :) [01:12:24] :) [01:12:26] !hug all [01:12:26] ACTION expands her arms and hugs the whole #RBOSE :D [01:12:26] but I do not see why it should become a problem ... [01:12:28] * Viper 10   14LC Brown 10 & 14Best of Vocals 12 4☣ 14http://scfire-ntc-aa06.stream.aol.com:80/stream/1065/listen.pls 103Exaile10 [01:12:28] :) [01:13:01] Kubu, would you be willing to read the log from our discussion? [01:13:20] i don't want to repeat all the arguments there [01:13:21] lukas: which one? [01:13:25] sec. [01:14:10] this one: http://rbose.org/logs/RBOSE/%23RBOSE.log.2011-01-16 [01:14:18] maybe one solution would be not to put new ppl i mainchan by default? [01:14:36] lukas: sure ... I hope it's a least a little to the point lol [01:15:17] damn, got to sleep now. Stay nice guys! and i see you all tomorrow :) [01:15:20] kalken, maybe, would be great to have all people interested really in rbose and not shit talking on the same ground [01:15:35] sleep well and thanks! :) [01:15:42] lukas: where does the discussion start? [01:15:53] good night kalken [01:16:29] Kubu, [21:52] [01:16:39] !night kalken [01:16:41] ACTION wishes kalken a Good Night. Sleep well :-) (If you wonder, DNS requested that) [01:16:59] i will study engineer in post scarcity [01:17:17] hey that old zietgeist discussion again :) [01:17:34] Hey Kebap! [01:17:52] <|UFO|> 09<09Kebap23@FREENODE09> heya viper :) [01:18:02] Kebap, exactly, it's very productive as always :( [01:18:13] !lol [01:18:14] RANDOM: http://youtube.com/watch?v=W9_DQjQbtTY [01:19:49] lukas: aaah, where are the arguments ... it just goes on and on about BS [01:20:26] lukas: maybe you could repeat the argument for me after all :) [01:22:47] <|UFO|> 09<09Kebap23@FREENODE09> this topic needs a faq [01:23:08] *** Joins: ZaiKo (qwebirc@RBOSE-jmdmi1.pool.t-online.hu) [01:23:18] Kubu, i would like to be able to provide better argument, but when the subject itself is BS, then what you can do? put some flowers to it to make it look pretty? ;) [01:23:45] *** Quits: ZaiKo (qwebirc@RBOSE-jmdmi1.pool.t-online.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [01:24:03] maybe we could change background in the logs :| [01:24:04] jk [01:24:19] lukas: so it's banned to talk about because you think it's BS so tohers shouldn't be allowed to talk about it? :S [01:24:56] is anyone familiar with pootle? [01:25:33] Kubu, it's not banned, it just not welcome [01:25:47] lukas: what's the difference? [01:25:48] Fodi69, I am [01:26:08] lukas: is that some 1984-speak? [01:26:16] lukas: i can't save my translation [01:26:33] we do not kill people, we just terminate their unfulfiling existence [01:27:13] Fodi69 you are asking help with translating crap? [01:27:16] lol [01:27:18] oh man, if feel in these discussions like a bunch of believers is going after you and tries to indoctrinate you at all cost when you say i'm not interested in this, do you know that feeling? [01:28:17] lukas: so make the channel and never come there ... how is that difficult? I do not understand this ... [01:28:37] lukas: to be frank ... it seems more like some ego thing man [01:28:48] lol [01:29:06] i came back to the same discussion [01:29:15] read logs Kubu pelase, you connected yesterday, hard for one man in such a time get a year perspective [01:29:19] <|UFO|> 09<09Kebap23@FREENODE09> yeah [01:29:56] the only thing we dot not agree with with jacque is centralized systems [01:29:58] right? [01:30:06] lukas: there is nothing of substance in those logs that i can see ... [01:30:27] lukas: an argument to ban certain topic should be easy to articulate if it exists [01:30:31] expectopatronum please /join #fukk_tzm [01:30:40] there you can ask about anything bot wont kick you [01:30:44] focus should be on projects, not talking about what the world could be like :D that sums up most of what everybody is trying to say [01:30:47] ? [01:30:56] Kubu, from what i know you are that crap movement chapter leader or admin, so i understand your personal involvement, we don't want to have anything to do with it, can you get that or will try establish crap mission instances all over the net? [01:31:43] ure all childish [01:31:45] lukas: lol, no I'm not ... where did you get that? [01:31:53] <|UFO|> 09<09Kebap23@FREENODE09> i am not childish nono [01:32:05] ,lmgtfy suspended users [01:32:06] lukas: http://bit.ly/aN5eLt [01:32:14] check this ^ [01:32:26] lukas: I've clashed with my chapter for exactly the reasons you created rbose for [01:32:43] why you support this nonsense? your king is banning you guys, so you cannot give up in other spaces? [01:34:06] wow, n1 [01:34:24] <|UFO|> 09<09Kebap23@FREENODE09> heya pax [01:34:28] they are really BIG :D [01:34:31] lukas: you've been *actively* involved with them lukas so don;t give me that crap, you made wiki for them if I'm not mistaken ... [01:34:34] hey kebap [01:34:53] Yo pax :D [01:35:04] lukas: Well, the banning isn't exlusive for the Z-M it seems, since you removed another one of our free zones (#zm) in which I thought I could share my thoughts and discuss with others interesting in the subject. [01:35:05] viper :) [01:35:21] Silly witch hunt. [01:36:02] *** Quits: Kimsan (Kim@RBOSE-lrfah1.cust.tele2.se) (Quit: Leaving) [01:36:25] i think ppl are trying to point out that focus must be on projects, not discussions about "opinions" on life in general :D [01:36:35] lukas: you've got ego issues with pj because he shunned you after you invested a lot of work there? [01:36:42] lukas: is that what this is about? [01:36:45] otherwise we could sit here for ever not understanding each other [01:37:41] Kubu: there are some real cool projects going on here: http://wiki.rbose.org/wiki/Projects [01:37:42] URL Title: Projects - RBOSE [01:38:01] Kubu you can create a new project too [01:38:10] Kubu, no, it's about looking like idiots whenever non-crap fans connect to us [01:38:20] kalken: I have real project right here ... trying to prevent rbose behaving exactly like zientology [01:38:37] Kubu put it on wiki [01:38:39] or pms [01:38:53] Viper: hm, maybe I should [01:39:01] right now i see only talking [01:39:26] Viper: am I not going to banned for discussing crap or something? [01:39:34] None was banned from rbose [01:39:48] Kubu why are u here? [01:39:55] yeah, just kicked repeatedly :) [01:39:58] talking about that crap is not a project [01:40:30] If you see something bad put it on wiki or pms [01:40:45] You can put it in gobby too [01:41:22] best is to create a solution of course [01:41:29] anne: I was hoping to work on projects in noncensored and open atmosphere as opposed to Z ... now, I'm finding out that it's just a different set of directives and censored topics [01:41:34] rather then listing problems [01:41:43] but sure we need to knwo about some problems [01:41:51] Kubu, it has nothing to do with ego, i ignored that stuff for 8 months, i was pulled into this by what was going on, i don't put my name even of stuff i make, no ego issues here, i just wonder how many minutes this crap will take from our lives? if you were in shit, that doesn't mean you want to spend any moment more in it [01:42:08] then=than [01:43:00] lukas: nobody is asking you to ... you control what you do with your time, don;t make excuses for it and blame others ... [01:43:00] as kalken pointed out, what is wrong with project oriented focus? why you need so much folklore and ideology around it? [01:43:51] Kubu, man, why you come here, ignore the problem all the developers with no exception have with it, and say please believe with me in zientology? [01:43:52] lukas: I'm all for project oriented focus ... what I'm not for is censorship and banned topics [01:44:14] it's not my personal issue, it's a community issue [01:44:19] lukas, i agree [01:44:48] me too [01:44:56] Kubu, we cannot be a community if we stand against values of each other [01:45:00] Kubu child porn nazo topics are banned here too [01:45:07] *nazi [01:45:39] Viper: oh no, your favorite topic? [01:45:43] but thats direct harm [01:45:52] same with that cult movement [01:45:56] no [01:45:58] why [01:46:10] it never states harm to anyone [01:46:15] nazi yes [01:46:29] it did [01:46:35] child porn does not state it but its obvious [01:46:47] when? [01:47:06] it didnt .p [01:47:13] I told you join #fukk_tzm ask there [01:47:22] i guess its emty there [01:47:24] empty [01:47:28] i am there too [01:47:36] no its not empty [01:48:52] I really hoped rbose is not going to be just another bunch of controlfreaks ... it's a shame, good luck with your projects [01:48:55] *** Quits: Kubu (quassel@RBOSE-992up3.95-102-176.t-com.sk) (Connection closed) [01:49:36] haha. [01:50:21] Kubu, no, it's about looking like idiots whenever non-crap fans connect to us <-- you said it man! [01:50:29] [23:42] At least the channel became very active. :-D <-- lol qft [01:50:36] (expectopatronum, in such case we would apply to the highest age expected by law from all the countries people connect probably, but we would first discuss it) [01:52:24] ... zeitgeist! [01:53:21] and tzm too [01:53:21] *** Kebap was kicked by RBOSE (Benutze nicht das Wort tzm in diesem Channel!) 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It has been a huge advantage in the ages of conquest, because some people could learn a lot from such sources, and use it against others :( [01:58:45] *** Quits: kman (erik@RBOSE-9ll4m8.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [01:58:48] like zeitschei [01:59:26] strike that [01:59:35] lukas, i have an opinion on that too, but its late for me, and you have been discussing this shit for 2-3 hrs already very emotionally, so i will pass today :) [02:00:20] ok :) [02:00:27] thanks [02:00:35] hey you're welcome [02:01:08] Caly, Kebap, in gobby there is some more work in subject of new website. Added, there a concept of a template similar to the idea Caly with others were using in wave (without nice formating ofc). Would be cool if you would like to take a look at it. It's based on the meeting we had. [02:01:10] I had the feeling that both sides had a valid point to make today, despite bitterness and emotions [02:01:40] !pillow all [02:01:41] ACTION starts a pillow fight in #RBOSE, and throws a pillow in everbodys face [02:01:45] (: [02:01:52] <|UFO|> 09<09Kebap23@FREENODE09> pax i have such feeling very often nowadays, in very many different topics [02:02:12] <|UFO|> 09<09Kebap23@FREENODE09> lukas: will do [02:02:20] cool [02:02:35] <|UFO|> 09<09Kebap23@FREENODE09> dns: yeah pillow is a good hint for me lol gn8 all :) [02:02:49] !night Kebap [02:02:51] ACTION wishes Kebap a Good Night. Sleep well :-) (If you wonder, DNS requested that) [02:03:16] DNS, take a look to when you wake up, i didn't ask because i knew you haven't sleep for a "while". [02:03:25] good night [02:03:34] good night Kebap23 [02:04:09] sleep well, all of you leaving, and bye to all who stay [02:04:23] *** Quits: pax (pax@RBOSE-ut38gk.dip.t-dialin.net) (Quit: THE MATTRESS HAS ME!) 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I have thought about yesterdays discussion. I think its clear that the focus in here need to be more about projects (creating and getting input) instead of endless discussions about "opinions". Methods used though need to serve the cause. So whatever path it takes, it would be nice if ppl did not stop communicating properly when others ask questions etc, or for that matter when new people arrive. [10:24:32] remember that two persons who do not agree with each other can be the best working couple, if they just concentrate on improving things that actually exists (in text, drawing, code etc) because they think in two completely different perspectives [10:25:49] oh well. Back to work [11:55:05] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-qted39.bredband.skanova.com) [11:55:20] -|UFO|- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [11:55:23] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Calyp [11:57:34] o boyyy [12:00:20] Sounds like it was interesting here [12:05:56] *** Joins: Kimsan (Kim@RBOSE-lrfah1.cust.tele2.se) [12:10:51] did i miss something? [12:10:54] ^^ [12:11:03] Billll6: ?' [12:11:35] that Kubu guy talking about Zm stuff [12:12:30] ah, well, he couldn't stand not talking baout it, so he left finally [12:12:45] -_- [12:13:41] There was alot of comotion the last few days, wich only prooves one fact: entirely to much talk about the shit. [12:13:49] seriously [12:13:52] who the heck was he? [12:13:53] wich ofc is exactly why it needed to get handeled [12:14:05] some ex. chapter rep [12:14:14] chapter rep? [12:14:20] yeah [12:14:23] u mean a spam bot whose human [12:14:24] lol [12:14:29] right [12:15:11] cults program real people to spam their cause almost the same as programmnig sort of except aoftware programmnig is a bit more technical [12:15:44] he thought he'd come here and talk about it as he was apparently ostracized from there... seems like ha had cult-talk abstinence [12:16:05] xD [12:16:08] wtf that's bs why wouldn't they let him talk about that crap there? [12:16:28] he never got to tell that i think [12:16:37] sounds like bs [12:16:39] lol [12:17:12] he came here becouse of same issues we had i guess, failing to see that this is not a replacement cult. [12:17:24] ^^ [12:17:48] but nvmd, we can take it in #FUKK_TZM instead, to much cult talk here [12:18:11] Yeah, I was starting to wonder who really had this cult-talk abstinence... [12:18:58] yeah [12:27:57] Hi folks [12:29:48] hi [12:30:29] :) [12:43:03] *** Joins: Emerik (qwebirc@RBOSE-m14i2g.catv.broadband.hu) [12:43:23] *** Quits: Emerik (qwebirc@RBOSE-m14i2g.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [12:49:46] *** Joins: Emerik (qwebirc@RBOSE-m14i2g.catv.broadband.hu) [12:50:39] *** Quits: Emerik (qwebirc@RBOSE-m14i2g.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [13:10:05] ?? people [13:10:06] people: A social network diagram for RBOSE IRC, and a list of RBOSE contributors you can find here: http://rbose.org/wiki/People [13:10:09] 10:23 < kalken> guys. I have thought about yesterdays discussion. I think its clear that the focus in here need to be more about projects (creating and getting input) instead of endless discussions about "opinions". Methods used though need to serve the cause. So whatever path it takes, it would be nice if ppl did not stop communicating [13:10:14] properly when ohers ask questions etc, or for that matter wh en new people arrive. [13:10:17] 10:24 < kalken> remember that two persons who do not agree with each other can be the best working couple, if they just concentrate on improving things that actually exists (in text, drawing, code etc) because they think in two completely different perspectives [13:11:00] Good paste, kalken [13:11:02] True kalken [13:13:51] *** Joins: Antilect (Antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) [13:14:04] Hi Antilect [13:17:17] i have sort of begun to make an environment where everything is compiled from source-code, and put in /opt/. This means that ppl can configure complete setups of for example mediawiki/ircservers or whatever, then just transfer their /opt/ to other computers who should do the same [13:18:02] this might be a good way to build demo-environments and letting ppl who know how to install different things to that, and just let "user" or programmers focus on getting things done inside this environment [13:18:31] Hej! :) [13:18:33] there are still a few things left before the environment is complete, but i think it might be something good to have [13:19:29] this environment can also be used to test different versions of things, because the startupscript is actually running binaries via symlinks [13:20:05] oh, and its also quite platform independent (different linux-dists etc) [13:25:11] put it on gobby [13:25:20] nice idea [13:26:54] yes. I run 3 of these types of environments on some servers already, but it needs to be rebuilt do be more general [13:27:10] but it works really well [13:28:00] to make it even easier i'm going to built it in kvm, so the whole machine can be duplicated also [13:28:27] cool [13:28:33] :) [13:28:56] btw can you close kvm while its up? [13:29:00] *clone [13:29:14] yes it should be possible [13:29:18] virsh does that [13:29:28] ok i need to test it out [13:29:34] i have kvm setup with NAT at home now [13:29:39] nice [13:29:53] having some troubles to do portforwarding from host to guests but it should be possible [13:30:32] i had problems with setting up bridge on kvm [13:30:40] ok [13:30:56] i use ubuntu as host, and the server 10.10 has very good setup for kvm by default [13:31:02] debian as guests [13:31:40] i have now VirtualBox [13:31:54] yes i have tried that also [13:32:05] seems like kvm is more efficient and open though [13:32:08] i start it in screen :D [13:32:14] :) [13:32:26] i was using kvm but bridge thing mess up my network settings [13:32:48] yes, it can be a pain [13:32:58] but i have figured it out now [13:33:15] when you have time put it on wiki please [13:33:19] if i had some damn time to make a guide i will [13:33:30] or tell me how i will add it to wiki [13:33:38] in gobby or something [13:33:38] ok [13:35:24] *afk for a few hours now. bbl [13:35:39] l8er kalken [13:41:10] *** Quits: faresz (faresz@RBOSE-8h0rsa.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [13:41:32] *** Joins: faresz (faresz@RBOSE-8h0rsa.catv.broadband.hu) [14:18:12] *** Joins: Emerik (qwebirc@RBOSE-m14i2g.catv.broadband.hu) [14:19:19] hi [14:19:54] *** Quits: Emerik (qwebirc@RBOSE-m14i2g.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [14:34:17] oh, the patience! [14:34:19] ^^ [14:40:35] Viper: did you setup the bridges yourself manually or via the virt-manager? [14:40:38] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-nft.06n.30.41.IP) [14:40:39] when you attempted kvm [14:47:30] .seen Atomraider [14:47:35] ,seen Atomraider [14:47:35] Julius: Atomraider was last seen in #RBOSE 24 weeks, 5 days, 18 hours, 58 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: nice trick:) [15:05:41] got this from kalken: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.andersj.se/ check out his "do it your self"-section [15:05:42] URL Title: Google Translate [15:06:16] hi Everyone [15:10:45] Hi lukas! :) [15:11:08] Fat64 i set up bridge in interfaces [15:11:36] Now virtualbox do that for me [15:11:50] ,any atomraider [15:11:50] Viper: atomraider was last seen in #RBOSE 3 weeks, 1 day, 15 hours, 16 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: *** Atomraider has quit IRC (Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4546, sources date: 20100519, built on: 2010-06-28 07:30:12 UTC 4546 http://www.kvirc.net) [15:13:16] *** Joins: Croatush (qwebirc@RBOSE-g81nsp.kabelnet.hu) [15:15:05] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-nft.06n.30.41.IP) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [15:21:15] nice Viper :) [15:21:54] that page about kayaks and equipment is really neat :) [15:22:27] yeah [15:22:42] Development summary for last 24 hours: [15:22:43] 2 edits in the wiki http://rbose.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges [15:22:44] To stay updated in real time join #developers #mumble #news #pms and #wiki channels. To learn more about the news system go to http://rbose.org/wiki/News [15:25:14] lukas: did you know kman is sewing a tent`i think it's mbased on designs and techniques from that site as well =) [15:25:33] nice :D [15:25:39] didn't know that [15:37:26] "You show me a capitalist, and I'll show you a bloodsucker." -Malcolm X [15:37:50] haha [15:37:58] :D [15:41:34] *** Joins: Diago_ (Diago@RBOSE-njq.nq9.84.186.IP) [15:58:19] *** Joins: Mecha3 (Antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) [16:01:00] *** Quits: Antilect (Antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [16:10:28] http://www.patriotactionnetwork.com/forum/topics/hu-dollarbased-system-product?xg_source=activity [16:10:30] URL Title: Hu: Dollar-Based System 'Product of the Past' - Patriot Action Network [16:29:02] *** Joins: Fodi69 (Fodi69@RBOSE-t64560.pool.t-online.hu) [16:29:48] Caly, you for sure remember the tree of technologies from wave. What do you think about approaching it this way: [16:29:55] hi Fodi69 :) [16:30:05] hi lukas [16:30:44] lukas: oh, i was supposed to check gobby... [16:31:01] We have been thinking about making a technological dependency map of free and open source technologies, so people who want to be in point X (let's say they want to print a PCB), can see all the paths to this point (like building reprap, milling machine, using some chemistry, etc. and then see all the steps necessary to get there) ...and once they are in point X what they could do from there. [16:31:31] sounds great! [16:32:02] forgot login again xD [16:32:57] let me paste in query [16:33:10] There is also a related idea, to build something like 'emergency and development network' that if something goes really bad with our economy, we have a social insurance, a list of contacts of people who want to help each other, then provide a training for them and know-how about how to create a conditions where the individual is no longer so dependent on the external forces, but can secure needs, water, heating, energy, food, housing, etc. [16:33:11] Then we would try to work in that network even without economical problem, to really create a network of gift, support and sharing. [16:35:26] What do you guys think about that last idea? [16:36:59] sounds great lukas :) [16:38:32] *** Joins: Emerik (qwebirc@RBOSE-m14i2g.catv.broadband.hu) [16:38:46] *** Joins: Lundburgerr-TZM (lundburgerr@RBOSE-h1sso7.cust.bredband2.com) [16:39:27] We would need to make an analysis of exact physical needs, figure out what exactly is needed in life of a human being. And people who would be interested could start convert instable assets into stuff that will have high use value and allow production and growth, offer a meaning in life. [16:40:26] I know I want to do that, lol. [16:44:46] yeah, sounds like a plan! [16:45:05] :) [16:46:58] I watched a TED about a developing concept of a shelter. Unfortunately it's in polish. The guy suggested that house should be no longer a space when the resources are streamed to by corporate pipes and cables, but your shelter should make that job on it's own, by design, for everyone who want, allowing the people to not be manipulated by economical speculations and top down control. [16:48:29] I think we know that already. We just need to make it happen :) [16:51:06] sure [16:51:48] lukas: perhap's i can get some airtime with you later this evening? [16:52:01] sure :) [16:52:48] great. my gf's home any minute, so it's dinner and a movie, socializing a bit etc, then i'm go =P [16:53:27] have a great time :D [16:53:48] http://www.peopleokwithmurderingassange.com/ [16:53:49] URL Title: People OK with murdering Assange - 01-16-2011 @ 5:03pm EDT [16:55:45] O_o [16:57:29] yeah, made by a serial killer "U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel and author" [17:02:18] What about betraying human specie on this planet? Damn nationalists. They hate other people because they have been born on different geographical locations. Hate generated out of coordinates, it's so clever :( [17:10:19] WHAT TO WATCH [17:13:12] *** Joins: diogenez (Administrator@RBOSE-q3g2og.ph.cox.net) [17:14:12] *** Quits: Julius (Julius@psyc.RBOSE) (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.1 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) [17:14:13] -|UFO|- Julius-ZM has quit FREENODE (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.1 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) [17:18:24] *** Joins: Julius (Julius@RBOSE-r1m.ufh.228.195.IP) [17:18:42] -|UFO|- Julius-ZM has joined on FREENODE [17:18:44] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Julius-ZM [17:21:36] *** Julius is now known as Julius|NotHere [17:21:38] -|UFO|- nick change by Julius-ZM to Julius-ZM|NotHer on FREENODE [17:22:38] 22.9% [17:27:40] *** Quits: Julius|NotHere (Julius@psyc.RBOSE) (Connection closed) [17:27:45] *** Joins: Julius (Julius@RBOSE-r1m.ufh.228.195.IP) [17:28:00] -|UFO|- Julius-ZM has joined on FREENODE [17:28:01] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Julius-ZM [17:28:16] -|UFO|- Julius-ZM|NotHer has quit FREENODE (Read error: No route to host) [17:29:55] *** Julius is now known as Julius|NotHere [17:29:57] -|UFO|- nick change by Julius-ZM to Julius-ZM|NotHer on FREENODE [17:31:22] *** Joins: JsonBot (jsb@RBOSE-r1m.ufh.228.195.IP) [17:31:35] *** Parts: JsonBot (jsb@RBOSE-r1m.ufh.228.195.IP) [17:36:17] *** Quits: Absalom (Absalom@RBOSE-fb2tr7.lavasoft.net) (Quit: Leaving) [17:37:10] *** Joins: halott (qwebirc@RBOSE-j061dq.pool.t-online.hu) [17:57:58] -|UFO|- disconnected from FREENODE: Ping sent at 2011-01-17T17:55:54 not replied to. 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I was thinking about designing something with the reprap actually ^^ [18:20:10] Not sure as in- iv got a pretty good idea to improvise with. [18:20:20] ok [18:21:22] :) [18:21:37] :) [18:21:47] hey @ all [18:22:04] hi DNS :) [18:22:30] o/ [18:26:42] somehow it seems we dont have such as hard winter like last year [18:26:52] !weather hamburg [18:26:54] Weather for Hamburg, Germany: 9°C, Current: Overcast, Wind: S at 11 km/h; Humidity: 81%; Mon: Chance of rain (10°C|5°C); Tue: Cloudy (9°C|1°C); Wed: Chance of rain (5°C|-1°C) [18:27:02] at least not in germany [18:27:36] but well climate is fucked up so it still could come in march lol [18:29:30] *** Joins: plnoct (plnoct@RBOSE-nbsqgm.pool.t-online.hu) [18:43:03] don't !weather Mölndal [18:43:07] !weather Mölndal [18:43:10] Weather for Mölndal, Sweden: 2°C, Current: Overcast, Wind: S at 23 km/h; Humidity: 100%; Mon: Chance of rain (4°C|0°C); Tue: Partly sunny (2°C|-6°C); Wed: Clear (1°C|-6°C) [18:48:19] -|UFO|- DNS777 has joined on FREENODE [18:48:21] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v DNS777 [18:50:47] *** Julius|NotHere is now known as Julius [18:50:48] -|UFO|- nick change by Julius-ZM|NotHer to Julius-ZM on FREENODE [19:07:36] *** Joins: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-hocik6.pool.telekom.hu) [19:15:37] *** Joins: Cyclo (Cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) [19:17:18] *** Joins: Baradosa (Baradosa@RBOSE-29i902.pool.invitel.hu) [19:17:21] !weather sthammar [19:17:23] Weather for Östhammar, Sweden: 2°C, Wind: SW at 6 km/h, Humidity: 85%; Mon: Chance of snow (4°C|-6°C); Tue: Chance of snow (1°C|-7°C); Wed: Clear (0°C|-8°C) [19:23:30] *** Joins: Antilect (Antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) [19:26:11] *** Quits: Mecha3 (Antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [19:26:22] *** Joins: Absalom (Absalom@RBOSE-ea4neu.bredband.comhem.se) [19:27:25] *** Joins: expectopatronum (qwebirc@RBOSE-uml.aua.138.189.IP) [19:28:23] hi [19:30:54] Trezker> "Julian Assange is not an American citizen and he has no constitutional rights. So, there's no reason that the CIA can't kill him." John Hawkins [19:31:15] hi expectopatronum [19:31:21] hi caly [19:31:30] lovely logic there... [19:31:39] tamera has no university [19:31:43] summer university [19:31:47] :( [19:31:52] Bummer, let's go there and build one! [19:32:03] Fuck John Hawkins [19:32:08] not that i need one, school is generally crap anyway [19:32:15] :) [19:32:32] Viper: no, kill him as soon as he sets foot outside of the US, he says it's OK. [19:32:33] it has a solar village project to feed 50 people [19:33:02] ? explain [19:33:10] in othwer words hawkins says that there is no reason that every1 who is not american citizen can be killed by cia? this sounds sick [19:33:38] *cant [19:33:39] speaking of impeckable logic... http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs788.ash1/167865_138996009494782_100001531501786_244531_4288444_n.jpg [19:34:00] why do lakes dont evaporate? :p [19:34:01] ya i know this Caly [19:34:18] DNS: quite right. Go buy ammo [19:34:24] :x [19:35:45] ah fuck, need to hack the shit out of the phone :( [19:36:03] i recycle phones but its a bitch that one cant use simcards [19:36:13] this locking thing is crazy shit [19:36:30] yeah new phones build in memory and simcard [19:36:38] haha [19:36:50] reprogrammable remotely [19:36:51] lol [19:37:02] you need call provider to ask to switch to other one [19:37:19] yes, or ask some government to pimp your phone [19:37:25] fuck this [19:37:42] next they ask to put a chip in my brain [19:38:04] or that gps system in car [19:38:28] and if it break you pay for it lol [19:38:40] *** Joins: pax (pax@RBOSE-cc7qqs.dip.t-dialin.net) [19:38:50] Hey pax! :) [19:39:00] i saw tv show yesterday, many electric cars are will be available soon [19:39:14] hi viper :) [19:39:16] hi all [19:39:20] hi [19:39:23] yeah they say that now agees about electric cars lol [19:39:44] i was a bit in disbelief, i thought someone had killed the electric car and would kill it again [19:39:44] :p [19:40:05] but most companies are developing them, they are expensive but soon they'll be cheaper [19:40:25] there was electric car in 90s [19:40:41] then in 2000 [19:40:50] if everyone starts using electric cars, how is electrcity produced? [19:40:52] oh [19:41:00] who killed the electric car is a god documentary [19:41:09] is electricity produced with oil? [19:41:30] if that was the case we would be charging our cars with oil inderectly [19:41:40] indirectly [19:41:55] http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1405611374523233913# [19:41:56] URL Title: Who Killed The Electric Car - Nederlands Ondertiteld [19:42:16] electric eels ;) [19:42:17] expectopatronum, your brain works thanks to electricity, electricity is one of 4 fundamental forces in universe, no oil needed [19:42:29] making electricity with oil is cleaner then driving on oil [19:42:40] oh [19:43:42] check that video [19:43:53] i will, i know about it [19:43:57] thanks :) [19:44:29] friction is electricity, our asses stay on chairs and don't go through it on the other side thanks to electricity [19:44:31] it just bothers me that many big energy concerns are investin in electric gas station and create "independent" daughter-companies for that...and they buy just a "green license", but dont have green power plants and they dont build new ones, they just cheat "legally" :/... i hope that more REAL independent people take care about that [19:46:08] eh gas station = charging station [19:46:34] :x [19:46:47] expectopatronum, wind, water flow and every shape exists thanks to electricity, this is what keeps atoms and particles in distance - i simplified issue a bit, but i hope its inspiring for you to look into this [19:55:45] to add maybe more interesting stuff: our bodies and cells move thanks to electricity, our bodies are flexible thanks to electricity, when you keep a spring in your hand, or a paper, electricity is what gives it the characteristic and behavior they have, we smile thanks to it, it's all present :) [20:00:14] ships swim in water ofc thanks to it as well, the interesting thing is that we keep looking at things in our life without, but we don't ask questions, for example everyone probably in his life was looking at fireplace, but how many ask what fire really is? :) "well, fire is... fire?!" ;) [20:01:11] fire is mad by the devil [20:01:17] fire is evil! [20:02:15] yeah and i am chucky [20:02:28] lol [20:06:52] lukas, the electric universe? [20:07:30] will never meet my friend [20:07:34] :( [20:07:52] i should start a study here [20:08:30] in my country [20:10:01] *** Joins: Simi (qwebirc@RBOSE-9fqmmo.static.enternet.hu) [20:10:11] *** Quits: Simi (qwebirc@RBOSE-9fqmmo.static.enternet.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [20:10:31] where could i go that would be cheap [20:11:06] expectopatronum, maybe that could help http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/ ? [20:11:07] URL Title: Free Online Course Materials | Courses | MIT OpenCourseWare [20:11:54] *** Joins: Croatush_ (qwebirc@RBOSE-g81nsp.kabelnet.hu) [20:13:01] *** Quits: Croatush (qwebirc@RBOSE-g81nsp.kabelnet.hu) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [20:13:11] expectopatronum, as long people around you think how to make more money next month and not how to reduce costs of things they need, if you depend on them, you will be forced to play this game [20:13:52] and they are forced by the very nature of how money work [20:15:02] pax: hi! :) [20:15:20] have you moved to auroville yet? [20:15:21] greets mr kalken :) how are you? [20:16:02] no, have been kept to germany by paperworks, but will move til march [20:16:06] i'm quite alright. Little bit low on energy atm but i think its because of the weather :) [20:16:16] pax: how are you? [20:16:23] ull move there? realy? [20:16:34] to auroville [20:16:39] ? [20:16:40] thats pretty normal. thanks, fine too [20:16:48] expectopatronum: yep [20:17:03] pax: i've been reading about tamera. Seems like a nice place also :D [20:17:18] yes but its not a place to move to, its a research village [20:17:36] yeah, i might have tested that first if i hadn't "booked in" for av [20:17:46] just getting to the point where i can allocate time to do something useful instead of this hamstering money stuff would be nice :D [20:17:59] twhat will u do in auroville? [20:18:04] expectopatronum: it is both. it is going to grow to 50k people [20:18:22] tamera? [20:18:31] ,w tamera [20:18:32] kalken: Error: Google must be dumb because it is unable to find location tamera. Pease try search for city together with country, for example: weather Oslo, Norway [20:18:38] !w tamera [20:18:38] kalken: quite a good idea :) you heard of mark boyle? maybe an option, too [20:18:41] Tamera | Tamera is a peace research village with the goal of becoming “a self-sufficient, sustainable and duplicatable communitarian model for nonviolent cooperation and cohabitation between humans, animals, nature, and Creation for a future of peace for all." It is also often called a “healing biotope." Literally translated, "biotope" simply means a place where life lives. In Tamera, however, “healing [20:18:42] biotope” is also described as a “greenhouse of trust,” “an acupuncture point of peace,” and “a self-sufficient future community." It is located on 335 acres (1.36 km^2) in the Alentejo region of southwestern Portugal. Aerial shot of the village @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamera [20:19:08] expectopatronum: some agriculture a la fukuoka and working in the library, i guess [20:19:15] along with working on myself :) [20:19:20] cool :p [20:19:41] is it expenesive? [20:19:47] depends :D [20:19:56] on? [20:20:35] i made it with less than 100 a month as a guest, and you can live moneyless there, if you are prepared and like to put some work into it [20:20:45] pax: no, have to check that up. Btw, i saw a nice documentary a few weeks back. 180° south its called [20:20:57] newcomer phase seems to be a little more costly [20:21:06] *** Quits: halott (qwebirc@RBOSE-j061dq.pool.t-online.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [20:21:14] 100 euro? [20:21:42] in rupees ofc [20:21:46] *** Joins: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-i97fcv.biz.rr.com) [20:21:51] kalken: is it on the net? [20:21:56] hi bran [20:22:12] so 100 ruppes a month' [20:22:12] ? [20:22:23] are other costs needed? [20:22:24] pax: hi bran <--- y0 y0 [20:22:41] hi Brandon :) [20:22:46] 6000 rupees [20:23:15] it really depends on the level of comfort you want, and the status you have [20:23:21] *** Quits: Fodi69 (Fodi69@RBOSE-t64560.pool.t-online.hu) (Quit: ) [20:23:27] there are levels? [20:23:38] untouchables? [20:23:40] etc? [20:23:51] * BranManFloMore looks at the logs. [20:23:55] Hey Lukas :) [20:23:58] btw expectopatronum, my journey into physics started with bicycle, i was starting in races but one day i was tired of doing over and over the same, and then i asked "why the heck this is riding at all? what makes it possible?" [20:24:10] haha, no, not levels. it is, whether you are guest, newcomer or resident [20:24:41] ive had thouse thoughts lukas [20:24:43] .p [20:24:46] those [20:24:57] expectopatronum: I elaborated on status in the wiki. have you seen? [20:24:59] I've got with the bike from my father a book called "Physics of Sport" and with that question i opened it :) That was this moment. We need to question things which seem to be obvious in our lives, the whole genius process could be described by a sentence "to look on the same stuff with others, but thinking something totally different" :) [20:25:01] so u need 6000 rupees and 100 rupees a month? [20:25:05] no [20:25:10] i havent [20:25:31] !r auroville [20:25:32] dns, whats the trigger? [20:25:34] Wikimedia Error: Unable to parse for: auroville @ http://rbose.org/wiki/Special:Search?useskin=monobook [20:25:44] :O [20:25:53] ,r auroville [20:25:53] lol [20:25:53] kalken: 4a7u8r3o2v12i6l4l7e [20:25:56] :) [20:26:21] kalken, there is some weird loop on the host with this trigger not sure why [20:26:42] seems missboty is abit confused yes :) [20:27:53] it does the same with other destinations which it cannot find over the net, every such a request is redirected to rbose.org [20:27:53] expectopatronum: http://rbose.org/wiki/Auroville/Joining [20:27:54] URL Title: Auroville/Joining - RBOSE [20:28:22] right, that's the link [20:29:16] *** Joins: enive (qwebirc@RBOSE-hjj.qfv.99.109.IP) [20:29:56] *** Quits: Baradosa (Baradosa@RBOSE-29i902.pool.invitel.hu) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [20:30:08] i see [20:30:44] it will be a great experience [20:30:49] =) [20:31:06] expectopatronum: you are looking for a commune like place to stay? [20:31:22] yeah. and it has already been. [20:31:39] yes, maybe [20:31:53] runs like a virus in here, it seems :D [20:32:29] can ppl move to tamera as well? [20:32:48] as far as i know they are still taking people in [20:33:08] you got to go through a test phase of several months, though, wherever you go [20:33:36] so you should write down beforehand what you expect of your future place to live [20:33:38] i cant find that about tamera [20:33:48] !w tamera [20:33:51] Tamera | Tamera is a peace research village with the goal of becoming “a self-sufficient, sustainable and duplicatable communitarian model for nonviolent cooperation and cohabitation between humans, animals, nature, and Creation for a future of peace for all." It is also often called a “healing biotope." Literally translated, "biotope" simply means a place where life lives. In Tamera, however, “healing [20:33:52] biotope” is also described as a “greenhouse of trust,” “an acupuncture point of peace,” and “a self-sufficient future community." It is located on 335 acres (1.36 km^2) in the Alentejo region of southwestern Portugal. Aerial shot of the village @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamera [20:34:26] both tamera and auroville require sort of a spiritual notion [20:35:08] but you can visit it anytime as a guest [20:35:39] is there a commun with a university somewhere? [20:36:25] ? [20:37:53] i want to study [20:38:11] im 19 [20:39:13] i should be in university already [20:39:18] dunno. you can learn a lot in auroville, i.e. research and learn also technical skills. but you cannot study there to get grades [20:39:36] absolutely grade-free there [20:40:36] pax, there was a video about that subject, that people study to improve not to have positions, do you have that link? [20:41:03] lukas: from av? [20:41:32] if so, i cannot remember where [20:44:01] *** Joins: Mecha3 (Antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) [20:44:07] "Towards a sustainable Future" gives a good overview over the history, notion and activities of av [20:44:07] maybe it is featured in there [20:45:20] *** Quits: expectopatronum (qwebirc@RBOSE-uml.aua.138.189.IP) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [20:45:58] *** Quits: Carbon (Carbon@RBOSE-rmh6cm.wi.charter.com) (Connection closed) [20:46:53] *** Quits: Antilect (Antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [20:51:19] *** Quits: Emerik (qwebirc@RBOSE-m14i2g.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [20:52:07] pax: in about 20 years i believe that a lot of people have really understood what living with the environment really means. Atleast i hope that, because otherwise there will be a really dark future ahead :) [20:52:15] *** Joins: expectopatronum (qwebirc@RBOSE-uml.aua.138.189.IP) [20:52:23] im bacl [20:53:33] kalken: probably both will happen. because live is going to get worse, people may want to live in unity with naturre and each other again [20:53:44] *lie [20:53:48] *life [20:54:10] hopefully yes [20:54:30] i think it was this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX9iBZGvjlI [20:54:31] You4Tube 2[Title] AUROVILLE - A Dream of the Divine (part 1of2) 2[Category] Nonprofit 2[Duration] 0:10:59 2[Views] 1717 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2009-07-24 2[Description] UNESCO and The Indian Government have supported this social experiment since 1968. A patchwork of 659 acres (2.67 sq km) on the outskirts of Pondicherry, this intentional community of 2120 people from many nations (43% of them Indian) continues to grow. [20:54:44] but even mentioning it to "ordinary" ppl today is asking of being different :) [20:55:11] most ppl have not even understood that they should not consume just because they can :D [20:55:27] lukas: cool [20:56:49] i could live in a tent, if it only had a fat internet connection :D [20:57:07] kalken: as long as the underlying everyone-for-themselves / nature-is-hostile / survival-of-the-fittest does not change, "morals" wont either [20:57:16] lol [20:57:23] ofc [20:57:36] communes should integrate clothing production [20:57:50] and organic soaps for hygine [20:57:57] most ppl will only optimize whats given. When one realizes that, this sick world becomes logical again :D [20:58:23] expectopatronum: clothing takes endless amounts of work, that's why they often miss it out [20:59:05] kalken: it is deadly logical. that's why it took me 40 years to finally break off. [20:59:43] i have felt the sickness from birth on, yet saw no way out [20:59:56] it clothing production is not integrated them ure still buying from this system [21:00:06] expectopatronum: exactly [21:00:08] yeah. im on my 31th and it took me about 20 years or so, before i even understood why i almost always felt like an outsider [21:00:47] another 7 to figure out some other path [21:01:02] pax, expectopatronum, check the do it yourself section http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.andersj.se/ [21:01:03] URL Title: Google Translate [21:01:17] there are some nice ideas about clothing as well :) [21:01:23] lukas: he's really amazing that guy :D [21:01:33] yes, thanks for that link :) [21:01:48] kalken: i feel with you. i learned in av, that there a thousands, maybe even millions like you [21:02:27] yes. Maybe we are the "normal" ones after all :D [21:02:36] lukas: ok, noted [21:02:44] where is clothes thing [21:02:46] cant find [21:02:47] .:P [21:02:55] http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.andersj.se/ [21:02:56] URL Title: Google Translate [21:03:30] withint the page, cant find it [21:04:09] "do it yourself" [21:04:11] section [21:04:33] yes : [21:04:35] :P [21:04:38] i met a guy from toronto and his life partner. they produced almost everything, except clothes, and almost needed no money in a megacity [21:04:58] fabric is whats difficult not clothes [21:05:12] making fabric [21:06:32] get raw matierals from cotton or sheep, spin it to a thread, then start weaving, then sewing. [21:06:50] you need to understand the process of making it to be able to move forward, and then do you use hands or machines it's a different issue [21:07:14] spinning and weaving have to be re-learned as most of us have no clue any more where clothes come from other than shops, or machines [21:07:46] but then life becomes boring [21:07:47] ? [21:07:56] no, on the contrary [21:07:58] btw: this is really funny (on the subject how stuff works): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf8R5ZlDiJg [21:07:59] You4Tube 2[Title] Joe Rogan - Devolution Of Stupid People 2[Category] Comedy 2[Duration] 0:10:58 2[Views] 141631 2[Rating] 4.92 2[Uploaded] 2008-02-21 2[Description] Joe Rogan Stand Up - Devolution Of Stupid People [21:08:39] never had such a fulfilled time as when I began making things on my own. and it takes less time than wageslavery to get the same amount of shopped stuff [21:08:42] kalken, yes, lol [21:08:48] :) [21:10:24] people gather to do work and talk and joke with each other [21:10:34] better than quake 4 ;) [21:11:06] Yes. Life is awesome graphics also :D [21:11:15] pax, and this is so weird because we have machines which pain 1600 coke cans per minute, and still making something on your won can save you time - the whole issue is that you simply don't need it; can painted or not, the stuff inside has same taste [21:11:37] lol [21:12:02] lukas: yeah. and have you ever tasted piss-tempered coke? :D [21:12:36] kalken: although flying and respawning make a little trouble [21:12:51] :D [21:13:36] pax, sorry not sure what it means :P [21:14:36] Can i guys a bit paraphrase you in the quote db, lol? [21:14:59] lukas: taste coke at 30C :D [21:15:25] I think never tried. [21:16:00] lukas: you missed a good reason for not drinking it at all [21:16:30] I drink it very very rarely. [21:16:38] ,quote add - People gather to do work and talk and joke with each other. Better than quake 4 ;) - Yes. Life has awesome graphics also :D ~ pax & kalken [21:16:38] lukas: The operation succeeded. Quote #162 added. [21:16:50] :) [21:16:54] *g* [21:16:57] awww :) [21:17:15] side by side with bucky [21:17:54] *** Quits: expectopatronum (qwebirc@RBOSE-uml.aua.138.189.IP) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [21:21:32] pax, haha [21:22:09] *** Joins: Irwine (Irwine@RBOSE-di5.o6h.96.2.IP) [21:29:00] *** Joins: ebro (qwebirc@RBOSE-mg80vd.c-220.TvNetWork.Hu) [21:32:15] as so many among you are thinking of joining a commune, why don't you join forces and found one? [21:34:18] pax, I don't know, there are some control issues in communes, 90% of them fails [21:34:51] you cannot fail if you do not try :) [21:35:06] it's not so simple, intensional communities require people to stand on the same ground and have clear defined purpose [21:35:18] i know that one :) [21:35:29] ofc [21:36:06] it is important to speak a lot with each other, brainstorm, actually plan, maybe live together in a flat for a while etc [21:36:37] but you cannot know without ever coming together [21:38:28] yeah, and to some extend our society seems to be more stable under this angle, we usually do not disturb lives of people with different values in our today cities [21:39:52] true. it is one side of the coin. if you ask me, it is also the reason why they will all die soon. [21:40:59] I know what you mean. There is just amazing lack of any cooperation, common purpose and understandings. [21:41:55] But in communities there are plenty reasons that such conflicts can occur, like drugs, attitude toward killing, way people dress and so on - i don't know if this is possible to think about all those important, to not have a crisis later. [21:43:31] yeah, and guess why. who can you trust in a paradigm of competition? i look at my old self and see how paranoid i once was [21:44:54] you can go to war over everything you can think of. name it. maybe the most important prerequisite for a functioning community (provided a minimal material basis) is the notion of giving, in everybody [21:45:36] I mean, people asking for another's well-being rather than their own benefit [21:48:38] I don't know if we know how to deal with such problems (I know I'm really not sure about my self). Let's assume people use offensive language, it might be not a problem among adults, but some do that even if kids are around, and some people may have a problem with that. The issues might be weird like books for kids, that some people teach their kids about "amazing" stories that there was a king or a princes and they were so happy, THE END, [21:48:40] ...because they could take advantage of everybody else. [21:50:36] there are indications of recklessness, selfishness and the like. language is one key, to stick to your example [21:50:44] I don't know what other people think about it, but i find it outrageous to teach kids that there can be an other human being to kick their asses, and that it is normal. [21:51:59] 21:45 < pax> you can go to war over everything you can think of. name it. maybe the most important prerequisite for a functioning community (provided a minimal material basis) is the notion of giving, in everybody [21:52:01] people see things different. let them. you cannot save everybody. gotta start with yourself [21:52:03] this is the key [21:52:03] (I mean to teach that they should accept social classes.) [21:52:33] being so selfish that one actually start to take care of everything around oneself :D [21:53:33] or whatever way one wants to twist it. If everybody gave more than they took, everyone would get more back [21:54:09] lukas: such things can be discussed, even tried out practically, but in the end the decision is with each person. that is the consequence of real freedom and non-governance [21:54:39] kalken: somewhat along these llnes :) [21:56:43] great point guys [21:56:51] points* [21:57:08] you helped birthing them :) [21:58:05] i believe that almost everybody who behaves agressivly have something nagging them on the inside. [21:58:27] atleast thats my experience with ppl getting drunk going around and punching on ppl they just met [21:58:39] an expression to get shit out [21:58:47] take the edge of for a little wile [21:58:51] *while [21:59:40] ofc it does not work, but few people tell them what to do instead [21:59:50] you are lucky if you can let it all out with a first-person shooter ;) [22:00:51] *** Quits: |UFO| (supybot@Unidentified.Flying.Object) (pms.rbose.org viper.rbose.org) [22:00:51] *** Quits: kalken (default@RBOSE-jieh1j.bredband.comhem.se) (pms.rbose.org viper.rbose.org) [22:00:51] *** Quits: Billll6 (billll@RBOSE-7s4f83.res.rr.com) (pms.rbose.org viper.rbose.org) [22:00:51] *** Quits: SoNeta (piespy@rbose.IRC.people) (pms.rbose.org viper.rbose.org) [22:00:51] *** Quits: Viper (Viper@NetAdmin.RBOSE) (pms.rbose.org viper.rbose.org) [22:02:54] *** Joins: test (qwebirc@RBOSE-jieh1j.bredband.comhem.se) [22:02:57] *** Joins: Billll6 (billll@RBOSE-7s4f83.res.rr.com) [22:02:57] *** Joins: kalken (default@RBOSE-jieh1j.bredband.comhem.se) [22:02:57] *** Joins: SoNeta (piespy@rbose.IRC.people) [22:02:57] *** Joins: Viper (Viper@NetAdmin.RBOSE) [22:02:57] *** Joins: |UFO| (supybot@Unidentified.Flying.Object) [22:03:03] *** Quits: test (qwebirc@RBOSE-jieh1j.bredband.comhem.se) (Quit: Page closed) [22:21:07] what is fire? :) [22:21:47] what fire? [22:21:49] % make fire [22:21:50] make: *** No rule to make target `fire'. Stop. [22:22:02] % why? [22:22:03] zsh: no matches found: why? [22:22:47] damn good AI :D [22:23:02] *** Quits: Irwine (Irwine@RBOSE-di5.o6h.96.2.IP) (Quit: Leaving) [22:23:24] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu8c8W-r0Y0 [22:23:25] You4Tube 2[Title] Jimi Hendrix- Fire (Maui) 2[Category] Music 2[Duration] 0:03:46 2[Views] 165693 2[Rating] 4.91 2[Uploaded] 2007-08-12 2[Description] Fire from Rainbow Bridge [22:30:56] *** Joins: Fodi69 (Fodi69@RBOSE-t64560.pool.t-online.hu) [22:33:00] *** Quits: plnoct (plnoct@RBOSE-nbsqgm.pool.t-online.hu) (Connection closed) [22:33:41] nice graphics http://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Plik:Jack_plug.png&filetimestamp=20060512201439 [22:33:42] URL Title: Plik:Jack plug.png – Wikipedia, wolna encyklopedia [22:35:21] noice [22:40:54] http://www.osnews.com/story/24273/How_to_Encode_to_WebM [22:40:55] URL Title: How to Encode to WebM [22:43:37] hehe. Another halfcrappy videocodec, just what we need :D [22:44:57] i wonder what jimi wanted to say with such as lyrics "You try to give me your money, You better save it babe. Save it for your rainy day. I have only one burning desire, let me stand next to your fire." did he wanted us to burn money? hehe [22:45:30] that is why he got killed ;)) [22:45:35] :x [22:47:01] kalken, why you think so? [22:47:35] (maybe i missed something) [22:47:46] *** Quits: faresz (faresz@RBOSE-8h0rsa.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [22:51:29] *** Joins: faresz (faresz@RBOSE-8h0rsa.catv.broadband.hu) [22:51:59] lukas: no i actually like webm. But its still under development so its yet to see how it comes out. As for now its not as good as others [22:52:02] http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2010/05/google-opens-vp8-codec-aims-to-nuke-h264-with-webm.ars [22:52:03] URL Title: Google opens VP8 codec, aims to nuke H.264 with WebM [22:53:01] maybe a company like google can finally set a standard for open video/audio codecs once and for all [22:53:16] it has bothered me for many years that most devices do not support ogg [22:54:30] its interesting to see that large companies actually are working together sort of. 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