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[00:54:40] ;D [00:55:55] i will :) [00:58:47] netsplit? [00:58:50] lol [00:59:54] well it wasn't me ;D [01:01:03] *** Quits: Fodi69 (Fodi69@RBOSE-437m0d.pool.telekom.hu) (Quit: ) [01:02:59] [00:55] Fat64: plz add this in our wiki in the free culture list under free media ... [01:03:00] [00:55] ;D [01:04:19] *** Joins: Diago__ (Diago@RBOSE-njq.nq9.84.186.IP) [01:04:19] *** Quits: Diago_ (Diago@RBOSE-njq.nq9.84.186.IP) (Connection closed) [01:04:43] *** Diago__ is now known as Diago_ [01:04:54] I am a fat cat [01:05:31] is that bad? [01:05:50] who is bad? [01:06:09] \o/ [01:06:14] I bring bad to a whole new level baby [01:06:26] bad is good. Good is bad [01:06:35] Good is the new bad [01:06:42] Cobra is the new Viper [01:06:52] bad is the new god? [01:06:52] *** Viper is now known as Phantom [01:07:17] that's wright. [01:07:42] Two wrongs don't make it right, but two wrights make a plane. [01:07:59] my bed isnt bad btw [01:08:18] -|UFO|- nick change by Viper to Out`Of`Control on FREENODE [01:08:19] ok bedder than other bets maybe [01:08:28] lol [01:08:43] * DNS stops [01:09:01] 9:] [01:09:02] lol [01:09:09] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_ICcz6kXP0 [01:09:10] You4Tube 2[Title] BIRDY NAM NAM - THE PARACHUTE ENDING - Video Clip by Willy Sweeney 2[Category] Music 2[Duration] 0:03:19 2[Views] 666935 2[Rating] 4.94 2[Uploaded] 2009-05-29 2[Description] Birdy Nam Nam The Parachute Ending video clip by Willy Sweeney (c) (C) 2008 Has Been http://www.myspace.com/birdynamnam [01:09:11] you stop being bad? :D [01:09:12] watch and be amözd [01:12:06] :) [01:16:10] O_O [01:17:25] ๏̯͡๏﴿ [01:28:28] *** Quits: Diago_ (Diago@RBOSE-njq.nq9.84.186.IP) (Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~) [01:30:05] *** Quits: Kimsan (Kim@RBOSE-lrfah1.cust.tele2.se) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [02:08:31] *** Joins: expectopatronum (qwebirc@RBOSE-2bv.bim.145.201.IP) [02:08:43] hi [02:08:52] hi :) [02:09:01] Hi expectopatronum :) [02:09:09] i think centralization wouldnt be that bad [02:09:18] hi akk [02:09:20] all [02:09:25] :) [02:09:44] centralization is bad [02:09:54] you mean control? [02:10:36] it would create integration [02:10:41] expectopatronum, central computer say you should be banned [02:10:43] what should be centralized expectopatronum ? [02:10:47] !globalban expectopatronum [02:10:48] ACTION globalbans expectopatronum with a rocket and launches it to the moon *boom* [02:10:52] no [02:10:54] wait [02:11:05] * Phantom waiting [02:11:14] you can't just say that centralization is un-bad :t it's not taken in any context [02:11:15] meaow [02:11:17] kurr [02:11:17] if one country can have a capital [02:11:17] purr [02:11:26] why not a global nation [02:11:27] ? [02:11:38] because there would be ultimate power [02:11:41] over the globe [02:11:55] and they could do whatever they want? :) [02:11:59] expectopatronum, there is no "NO", this is central decision, fukking stupid and only for people who like to doom themselves [02:12:11] i think they do whatever they want to do already [02:12:20] but its easier if its just one gov [02:12:24] :/ [02:12:33] exactly [02:12:44] i mean easier for them expectopatronum [02:13:00] ahmm Computer ..... umm THE Computer says NO! :D [02:13:09] `say No [02:13:10] <|UFO|> Phantom: (say ) -- Sends to . Can only send to if supybot.plugins.Anonymous.allowPrivateTarget is True. [02:13:13] but what could it say no to? [02:13:21] `say #RBOSE No [02:13:21] <|UFO|> No [02:13:36] to anything [02:13:40] what could a compuet deny? [02:13:45] expectopatronum, check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbCKLr_vHhY [02:13:46] You4Tube 2[Title] Pt. 1/10 - What You've Been Missing - Ep. 1 - Exposing The Noble Lie - WYBM 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 0:14:37 2[Views] 57561 2[Rating] 4.96 2[Uploaded] 2010-11-05 2[Description] See Reference Source Notes for Episode 01 here - http://www.scribd.com/doc/41222746/WYBM-E01-Notes-References-Links-11-05-10 WYBM - Episode 01 -Part 1 of 10: What You've Been Missing was created to fill the massive gap created by [02:14:04] maybe it could say... too much children but it would the peoples decision to follow that advice or not [02:14:08] since there is not armed force [02:14:10] you see? [02:14:21] no armed* [02:14:30] computer says you should have no food [02:14:33] check this video, it has answers for people who want to doom themselves ^ [02:14:45] yeah check that video its great [02:14:49] it couldnt say that lol [02:14:57] the computer does not grow the food [02:15:08] cities are self-sustainable [02:15:11] in food production [02:15:14] computer says no porn for you NO! lol [02:15:20] hah [02:15:35] i think the computer is not making decisions but calculating [02:15:43] ^^ [02:15:44] how many houses are needed, etc [02:15:54] it can control food production, it can control cities, and that control = power over your life to decide what you need and what not [02:15:59] ok computer says no more houses [02:16:04] how could it control food production? [02:16:05] lol [02:16:09] you should live in street [02:16:15] *on [02:16:15] if every city grows its own food [02:16:28] people do not grow food robots do that [02:16:44] computer ==> robots ==> food ==> people [02:16:48] cameras, monitors, sensors, water pipes, doors and locks, what cannot be and is not already connected to it? [02:16:49] machines perhaps, like automated tractors? [02:17:10] lol [02:17:14] computer break down no food [02:17:16] it wouldnt go that far [02:17:32] food is stored at the poles [02:17:40] in any case the computer does not control food production [02:17:42] i said [02:18:09] ? [02:18:15] why transport food to the poles [02:18:17] in US army there is about 7 000 drones already, these are directly controlled by computer, and indirectly by people, wake up [02:18:18] sounds stupid [02:18:21] to save it thre [02:18:42] yes but they are drones, wake up [02:18:42] save from people? ok lol [02:18:50] and however u want it they are controlled by people [02:18:51] lol [02:18:57] or has the computer decided to bomb the US? [02:19:00] dont think so [02:19:20] WTC 911 [02:19:25] maybe it was a drone inside plane [02:19:30] lol [02:19:37] yes but the computer didnt make that deiciosn [02:19:59] he was programmed [02:20:30] the computer only scans the earth for its resources and calculates the most efficient ways to deliver for our needs [02:20:37] and most sustaiable [02:20:41] sustainable [02:21:29] expectopatronum, it's that really so relevant for the dead who killed them? or maybe they should blame people like you who advocate that there can be an entity above others? (read: central) [02:21:45] its not entity [02:21:52] how could u make a better decision [02:21:53] ? [02:22:10] not let kill anyone is my decision [02:22:17] exactly [02:22:30] if the computer says not engouh for everyone it calculates another way [02:22:33] no need for fukking kings, cybernetic or not [02:22:42] but in its programming there is not in case of X = kill people [02:22:48] it wouldnt have that program [02:24:02] why we need a computer or a leader to say how much food i need [02:24:08] I can make that decision for me [02:24:13] food is GROWN at cities [02:24:35] expectopatronum is really sold ;D [02:24:41] computer tell you how much food to buy? [02:24:42] I will try to grow things with hydroponics this year [02:24:44] it will be fun [02:24:51] if u wanted to grow food outside ur city or go build a house somwhere else [02:24:52] u could [02:24:56] and people would think thats cool [02:25:26] the computer is not telling not to do things [02:25:45] and if it said no... which is not the case.... it doesnt have drones to go kill you [02:25:52] Phantom, because you drink one day 4 dm3 of water and next day probably 1000, and probably you one day eat like a human being, another day like a crocodile, it's so unpredictable! you know people cannot think for themselves... they need a king to tell them that they should clean their teeth [02:26:14] lol [02:26:26] ppl can think for themselves [02:26:35] so u prefer not sharing [02:26:42] but abusing? [02:26:55] u wouldnt care about foo [02:26:57] d [02:26:57] computer control is Not sharing! [02:27:11] abusing what? [02:27:17] who would care about food [02:27:27] eating a crocodile [02:27:27] :p [02:27:27] oh man [02:27:30] i care about my food you care about your food [02:27:34] yes [02:27:40] i dont care about your food lol [02:28:02] expectopatronum, did you thought about self-sufficiency? [02:28:08] yes [02:28:10] ? [02:28:32] every city is self sufficient [02:28:39] even in the production of goods [02:28:42] now now, how does that work [02:28:45] each city has its own fablab [02:28:46] there isn't metal everywhere [02:28:46] every home should be self sufficient not a city [02:28:48] ok, then why want to be dependent on production on food by some central system? what kind of sufficiency this is? [02:28:58] how can you have metal production in every single city if the resources are not there? [02:29:01] you can't do magic tricks. [02:29:05] this is real life expectopatronum [02:29:07] the computer doe snot control food production [02:29:11] get it in ut hea [02:29:12] d [02:29:14] ur [02:29:32] WHAT? [02:29:46] if there is no metal... grow materials like ford hemp car [02:29:54] :D [02:30:03] how are you gonna repair computers without metal and so on? [02:30:14] hemp does not work like that. [02:30:18] expectopatronum, another question: what would you say about a life being who has no blind idea how to take care about food with own brain? [02:30:49] we do know [02:30:52] that they need computer... [02:30:54] we build the system to provide food [02:30:55] lol [02:30:59] built [02:31:10] i have idea [02:31:13] THE COMPUTER DOE SNOT PRODUCE FOOD [02:31:13] *** expectopatronum was kicked by RBOSE (Turn caps lock OFF!) [02:31:15] you're not replying [02:31:19] oh gosh. [02:31:29] *** Joins: expectopatronum_ (qwebirc@RBOSE-2bv.bim.145.201.IP) [02:31:32] chicken factory :D [02:31:33] expectopatronum_: chill man :) [02:31:38] the computer does not grow food [02:31:42] :) [02:31:44] cap cap cap [02:32:05] we need a central force to bring us together [02:32:08] expectopatronum_: have you thought about how the world works and how reliant we are on many places of earth [02:32:10] a force for peace [02:32:19] I get that you're wrapped up in the movie [02:32:21] yes [02:32:32] movie? [02:32:35] we need metal, silicone chips, and other resources [02:32:38] :) [02:32:44] Fat64 i dont need it [02:32:50] I need only chicken factory :D [02:32:51] oh i know that [02:32:56] whahaha [02:33:01] Phantom :| [02:33:10] a computer has many many things and elements in it [02:33:15] joke [02:33:37] Phantom: 1.8 million people die in traffic every year, we should make use of the dead bodies and make food out of it. [02:33:41] :-) whaddya think [02:33:50] just grind it down, make mince [02:33:54] guiltfree [02:33:57] imagine a global force that helps provide technology for abundance [02:34:20] a new UN [02:34:21] expectopatronum_: like, the internet? ;) [02:34:25] what about dogs and other animals ? :D [02:34:28] abundance is a terrible word [02:34:29] no... hand powe [02:34:30] r [02:34:40] Phantom: sure. they are roadkill [02:34:41] volunteer force [02:34:44] peace army [02:34:45] unarmed [02:34:46] :p [02:35:00] expectopatronum_, we use technology in other way, we make it distributed, so people can take care about their live, they can collaborate, because it's extremely beneficial and in fact we do already above any nations, but still we offer free choices to everyone, we don't need central system [02:35:34] we do... to bring us together [02:35:35] everything is emergent, let's not force systems upon people, a global centralization would only result in corruption :/ [02:35:54] Fat64, exactly [02:35:54] yes violence is emergent [02:35:58] it's not secure in any sense [02:36:02] war is emergnet [02:36:14] through this type of culture, I believe so yes [02:36:15] lets not for peace [02:36:18] :) [02:36:19] we need to protect our NATIONS! [02:36:21] us and THEM [02:36:39] lets not force peace cuz everything is emergent [02:37:24] I am tired, cheers guys [02:37:32] cheers :) [02:37:36] good night fat64 [02:37:41] good night [02:37:41] !hug all [02:37:42] ACTION expands her arms and hugs the whole #RBOSE :D [02:38:11] we need a central force that helps provide people... with the technology to be self-sufficient [02:38:26] why not p2p ? [02:38:43] its easy to bring down central system [02:38:45] can p2p synthesize materials? [02:38:48] try to do that with p2p [02:38:49] from bits into atoms [02:38:50] ? [02:38:55] no [02:38:59] we need a real force [02:39:03] oh, this guy don't know what he is talking about [02:39:09] or someone will disconnect ur p2p [02:39:20] p2p 10000 pc's [02:39:25] central 1 main server [02:39:39] what is easy to bring down? [02:40:29] in p2p each pc is a server [02:40:41] ahhh [02:41:06] ok, but about workforce [02:41:22] this is really annoying sometimes when people who have no blind idea what means decentralized technology, distributed solution just talk about the only thing which they know, like centralization, expectopatronum_ no offense but it's really [02:41:24] 10000 will always be faster then 1 [02:41:54] 10000 slow is faster then 1 supper fast pc [02:42:11] ok so every computer is a server... and they calculate together [02:42:12] ok [02:42:17] thats good [02:42:22] that is power of p2p [02:42:24] no central computer [02:42:36] there you go :) [02:42:36] no central :) [02:42:41] but a decentralized computer scanning the earth and its resources [02:42:46] doable [02:42:54] so we have that... [02:43:05] to some extend [02:43:10] we need a force that will unite us [02:43:13] a global peace army [02:43:26] not un peace corps [02:43:27] peace army = BS [02:43:28] peace army hahaha [02:43:40] do you understand words you use? [02:43:41] well... volunteer working force [02:43:49] i dont mean weapons [02:43:56] you know what i mean [02:44:22] ur weapon could be loce :D [02:44:24] love [02:44:25] lol [02:44:29] i'm volunteer and evrybody here as well [02:44:33] we need freedom!!! no army/force [02:44:48] well yes but we should create a force to help people if they want it [02:44:50] not to impose it [02:45:03] to deliver this systems for self-sufficiency [02:45:06] these [02:45:16] we need people that think and not follow others [02:45:29] yeah, exactly, we need people who understand word "freedom" the way it works for all humanbeings, to not let screw up development [02:45:30] aks questions use logic [02:45:42] ure thought brought you to follow open source [02:45:43] *ask [02:45:50] people can think [02:45:55] and follow a movement for peace [02:46:42] not follow but use freedom :D [02:46:54] use freedom to follow [02:47:35] we not follow open source, or free software, we question a lot when we talk with Free Software Foundation, expectopatronum_ people really can not follow, maybe hard to imagine but it works this way for people who critically think in all aspects of their life [02:48:32] its not following as in venerating [02:48:35] "Following people aren't smart." ~ 2Pac [02:48:39] but being a force [02:48:48] comething together... thats following together one goal [02:49:09] you misplaced the meaning [02:49:13] it works this way: [02:49:59] i want to work on smething what is important for me, then 20 other people want to work on something what is important for them, he find we have common goal, we collaborate and not follow [02:50:11] we* find [02:51:24] we try to critically think in every single aspect, question every single systsem, design, relation, equation, observation [02:51:40] WTF they kill birds it used an avicide poison called DRC-1339 to cull a roost of 5,000 birds that were defecating on a farmer's cattle feed across the state line in Nebraska. [02:51:45] and what could those things be [02:51:45] ? [02:51:51] one is war and the other peace [02:51:59] work towards war and work towards peace [02:51:59] ? [02:52:01] no [02:52:07] those who follow peace [02:52:14] can work in different things to attain it [02:52:30] they follow peace but not without thinking critically [02:52:35] http://www.sott.net/articles/show/221987-Bye-Bye-Blackbird [02:52:36] URL Title: Bye Bye Blackbird -- Earth Changes -- Sott.net [02:55:37] work on freedom :D [02:56:21] *** Phantom is now known as Viper [02:57:03] you think u can be self sufficient however most of the things u would use to... for example a hydroponics system... you are getting stuff from the monetary system [02:57:08] u are not making the plastic [02:57:31] so we need a central force that provides the materials for self-sufficiency [02:57:44] and that makes people think critically and come together [02:57:45] you can make plastic at home [02:57:48] from plants [02:57:54] If you know how [02:57:55] with mushrooms [02:57:56] ? [02:57:59] expectopatronum_, the bankers make the plastic [02:58:02] lol [02:58:30] no Obama make plastic [02:58:32] so a central force to provide the basic materials for self sufficiency and helping hands to build such communities [02:58:34] He shit plastic LOL [02:59:15] you dont need central force [02:59:20] if you can do stuff local [02:59:26] without belonging to the monetary system [02:59:30] think the p2p way [03:00:05] the central force is a feeling [03:00:13] of belonging to a greate movement [03:00:18] no what? time for religion? [03:00:18] greater [03:00:41] why? [03:00:51] Why you need a leader [03:00:51] ? [03:01:04] i dont say we do [03:01:20] local force :D [03:01:25] local power [03:01:35] ,smack central [03:01:35] * rBOTse smacks central with a physics handbook [03:01:49] ,praise local [03:01:49] * rBOTse Go for the moon local. If you don't get it, you'll still be heading for a star. [03:01:51] yes but ure local force could be... the ku kux klan being self sufficient [03:01:53] expectopatronum_, you are on this planet, you want to belong to specific stone, banker, own somebody, or maybe you could stop on the fact that we are already all on this planet togheter, you don't "feel" that? maybe some live on the moon for you? [03:02:09] not to worry about money more time to kill black men [03:02:39] i bet if u ask many people they would say it is good to bomb iraq [03:02:40] NO [03:02:48] we don not ALL feel that [03:03:06] we feel MTV lol [03:03:15] what? [03:03:16] :p [03:03:20] or macdonald [03:03:24] lol [03:03:29] *** Joins: rborgx (qwebirc@RBOSE-f308hf.adsl.datanet.hu) [03:03:31] i made a video [03:03:41] does anyone have a youtube account [03:03:42] ? [03:03:45] hi rborgx [03:03:55] expectopatronum_, if you want to tell your kids that kings are ok, please go to moon better ;) [03:04:07] im not saying that [03:04:16] sakul [03:04:37] hctib [03:04:49] do you understand what means central and what concequences of that there are? [03:05:31] expectopatronum_ check this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbCKLr_vHhY [03:05:32] You4Tube 2[Title] Pt. 1/10 - What You've Been Missing - Ep. 1 - Exposing The Noble Lie - WYBM 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 0:14:37 2[Views] 57561 2[Rating] 4.96 2[Uploaded] 2010-11-05 2[Description] See Reference Source Notes for Episode 01 here - http://www.scribd.com/doc/41222746/WYBM-E01-Notes-References-Links-11-05-10 WYBM - Episode 01 -Part 1 of 10: What You've Been Missing was created to fill the massive gap created by [03:05:36] if there was a global force to provide people with the tools to be self sufficient [03:05:45] that means central [03:05:53] is rbose central [03:05:53]