[00:00:18] DNS: arn't you gonna visit Sweden soon? [00:00:28] we need more DJS [00:00:33] http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6095019/Permaculture_collection_-_audio_video_text_-_30GB [00:00:34] URL Title: Permaculture collection - audio/video/text - 30GB (download torrent) - TPB [00:00:37] 30 GB of permaculture [00:00:37] hm no not so far planned [00:00:40] ;D [00:01:41] Come on [00:01:50] ;D [00:03:16] hi Simon :D [00:03:19] !slap Simon [00:03:21] ACTION slaps Simon a bit around #RBOSE with a good mood [00:03:28] lukas: !!! [00:03:42] whats up my polish little teddy bear? [00:03:45] where have you disappear last time? [00:03:48] hows life? [00:03:51] haha [00:04:14] life is good :) how about you? [00:04:44] simon, we are cooking something, maybe you would like to take a look http://rbose.org/wiki/Sandbox2 [00:04:49] i have to be better on coming in here!!.. i believe i have to install IRC software again and have autojoin [00:04:55] love to be here [00:05:26] Time for Zzz! <3 [00:05:30] Sleep tight :) [00:05:34] It's always great when you are around :) [00:05:43] life is good thank you. Have my projects going on and trying to learn more about life and spirituality right now [00:05:45] good night Antilect [00:05:50] oh [00:06:19] *** Quits: Antilect (Antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) (Quit: Lämnar) [00:07:00] reading alots about conciousness lately [00:07:46] there is an interesting project in Portugal you could be interested in [00:07:58] oh rly? [00:08:00] tell me more [00:08:30] Billll6: !!!! [00:10:04] i'm searching for the link... [00:10:08] ;D [00:10:10] simon: Maybe you will have something to add on http://rbose.org/wiki/Spirituality then :D [00:10:11] URL Title: Spirituality - RBOSE [00:10:32] Kimsan: [00:10:34] wow [00:10:34] ! [00:10:42] great stuff you've got there [00:11:37] simon, it should be here, but i get no response atm from this site http://solarpowervillage.info/ (checked 2-3 days ago and it worked) [00:12:12] i see :) [00:12:16] np, ill save it [00:12:37] you have to wait until the sun goes up! lol [00:13:57] hi kalken :] [00:14:05] hello friends :) [00:14:11] the suckiest thing in the world is to be forced to work :P. Would love to spend time on learning and growing instead [00:14:18] then teaching [00:14:30] how do you guys do? [00:14:33] do you work? [00:14:43] kalken: !!!! [00:14:48] mannen, myten, legenden [00:14:57] !hug simon [00:14:59] ACTION hugs simon for kalken and hopes that simon enjoys it :) [00:15:40] I study [00:15:50] simon: the thought is to minimize expenses, to be able to earn less and still have freedom [00:16:00] simon: I'm unemployed, for the moment. Living sparsely :P [00:16:03] few of us are looking at land, and how to build stuff etc [00:16:13] creating something the right way [00:16:17] on solid ground :D [00:17:26] simon: i work full time, but i have no gf atm so there is still time to hack during late hours :D [00:17:49] :) [00:19:00] I said already today, so you can easily check out in logs. Link is here http://rbose.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=News [00:19:02] URL Title: News - RBOSE [00:19:27] kalken, Kimsan , i see. [00:19:33] kalken: you mean buy land? [00:19:35] and build [00:19:39] or just grab and build :D [00:20:57] yes, buy land or find ppl who think alike [00:20:58] it depends probably, buying the land or lending it at first is the easiest step from perspective of community researchers, there are other much more important steps [00:22:41] http://www.valdezlink.com/sperm_count.htm [00:22:42] URL Title: Sperm Count Dropping in the USA? [00:23:23] simon: i can't function in this so called "society" much longer. To many people with too small hearts [00:23:42] optimizing a shitty game and loosing connection to what life should be about [00:24:11] i have no time to do it [00:24:32] and no time to argue about it with ppl who think its "ok" [00:25:11] +1 [00:25:45] but sometimes i waste time on arguing :| [00:26:42] simon, please check the wiki link in query [00:26:43] everytime i do that it just sucks out the energy i need to do something better :) [00:27:05] lukas: im reading it right now :) [00:27:12] thanks [00:27:27] i love you guys <3 [00:27:31] fucking best [00:28:16] haha [00:28:20] lukas: the way i think about it it that if ppl do not even have time to ask the right questions to "understand" not what i was saying, but what i meant, they will probably never have any time to do something about it anyways :) [00:30:40] kalken: for maybe 9 months ago i got depressed for becoming aware of how the world and people really is. I mean i wanted this utopia in my head right now and when i discovered that it was soooo hard my brain kinda imploded. [00:30:45] kalken, yes, i experienced something like that, i once tried to talk with my friend about the stuff which matters, it was like 4 months of talking with wall, due to that I parted a lot past relations and decided find already like minded people or at least people who have time to think [00:31:23] *** Joins: Gambler (Gambler@RBOSE-s22umr.pool.telekom.hu) [00:31:51] I believe you just have to find balance in your life and always work with yourself. And never, never stop giving even if you dont get anything back [00:32:18] simon: i understand you. The great thing about feeling that way for a while is that you soon learn to coop with reality, but still never loose that feeling :D [00:32:25] simon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hW6Dm_m5t4 [00:32:26] You4Tube 2[Title] Richard Alpert (Ram Dass) on LSD 2[Category] Howto 2[Duration] 0:08:00 2[Views] 190662 2[Rating] 4.92 2[Uploaded] 2007-01-29 2[Description] Richard Alpert (Ram Dass) discusses the psychological implications of the LSD psychedelic experience. [00:32:39] simon, it's not easy, but there is a lot going around, and we have here i would say a nice tracker of what's happening all over the world, ofc with focus on the stuff we work on [00:33:55] yes indeed [00:34:00] thank you for the link kalken [00:34:04] ill check it out [00:34:21] He tooks LCD 300 times, crazy. [00:34:51] love that video. But i dont agree on his twist about needing LSD. But that may be true if ppl have been feed with lies about how good "competing is" and how one should not trust anybody else. when people learn that from day one, they might need some drug to be able to think differently for a few seconds, when they get older :D [00:39:06] When asked what the implications of there being no other on the free enterprise market system might be Alpert responded, “what it does, if I understand it right, is it moves the basic motivation from an achievement, competitive, to a collaborative kind of enterprise. Which means I’m not working to beat you out but you and I are both working to make it.” [00:41:04] have to sleep now. Nice talking to you guys! [00:41:22] G'n kalken [00:41:23] good night :) [00:41:59] Goodnite [00:43:09] good nigh kalken [00:43:28] great vid kalken [00:43:34] love his quotes [00:43:46] nn kalkis [00:56:08] *** Quits: Naeron_1984 (Naeron_1984@RBOSE-qjl78a.pool.telekom.hu) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [00:57:02] guys [00:57:08] gtg to bed [00:57:20] cu tomorrow. [00:57:26] take care until next time [00:57:29] <3 [00:57:36] *** Quits: simon (qwebirc@RBOSE-a3vg1n.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Quit: Page closed) [01:00:44] *** Joins: anne (anne@RBOSE-v19qfo.adsl.tpnet.pl) [01:26:02] *** Quits: Kimsan (Kim@RBOSE-lrfah1.cust.tele2.se) (A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.) [01:26:25] hi anne =) [01:41:27] *** Quits: Gambler (Gambler@RBOSE-s22umr.pool.telekom.hu) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [01:43:28] *** Joins: expectopatronum (qwebirc@RBOSE-fog.4s4.138.189.IP) [01:43:44] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6lnKxWB6b0 [01:43:45] You4Tube 2[Title] The Venus Project, A Transition (improved :p) 2[Category] Education 2[Duration] 0:01:38 2[Views] 4 2[Rating] None 2[Uploaded] 2011-01-25 2[Description] This video has no description. [01:43:50] i made the video better [01:43:51] :) [01:44:37] ''This nation has now decided to completely transform into a non-monetary resource based dynamic equilibrium management economy with decentralized production for efficiency, however following a central but peripherally evolving model and design of all-encompassing cities to generate abundance and self-preservation and jointly managing with a p2p computer system the resources that are finite and significant to all.'' [01:44:51] anne [01:45:25] LoL [01:45:52] Hi:) [01:49:13] Hi Caly:) [01:49:33] its better with P2P lol [01:50:31] hey [01:50:40] anybody familiar with this word "Msilihin"? [01:53:21] hah yes [01:53:23] :p [01:53:25] p2p [01:53:37] serious? [01:53:42] this is Uzbek right? [01:53:55] decentralized production for efficiency, however following a central but peripherally evolving model and design of all-encompassing cities to generate abundance and self-preservation and jointly managing with a p2p computer system the resources that are finite and significant to all [01:54:17] o n/m [01:54:18] decentralized however following a central but PERIPHERALLY evolving [01:58:09] , quote random [01:58:09] anne: Quote #41: "Science is simply common sense at its best, that is, rigidly accurate in observation, and merciless to fallacy in logic. ~ Thomas Huxley" (added by dns at 05:03 PM, August 04, 2010) [01:59:52] , quote random [01:59:52] anne: Quote #147: "according to Malthusian-Darwinian theory, everyone must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living ~ Buckminster Fuller" (added (1 more message) [02:00:29] , quote random [02:00:29] anne: Quote #28: "Escape the Gates of hell. Use Linux. ~ Winfried TrĂĽmper" (added by dns at 02:19 AM, August 04, 2010) [02:01:39] ,quote random [02:01:40] DNS: Quote #47: "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. ~ Albert Einstein" (added by GhettoTux at 05:39 PM, August 04, 2010) [02:01:47] :D [02:02:06] !8ball everything ok this night? [02:02:07] DNS, my 8-ball says: i do not know an answer right now, but maybe later. [02:02:15] lol [02:09:03] expectopatronum that's Zeitgeist shit [02:09:12] its not [02:09:15] read it [02:09:17] tht video [02:09:21] that* [02:09:42] is a p2p system to manage the earths finite resources shit? [02:10:01] no it's about the penis project [02:10:33] are self-sustaining cities producing from renewable plastics made with cellulose fibers for the production of goods, the growth and research of medicinal plants and organic semiconductors to the production of housing, clothing and food. Concentrating renewable production, they have been able step outside of the chaotic and violence breeder money empire! [02:10:36] ? [02:10:38] shit? [02:11:01] =P [02:11:09] expectopatronum, yesterday you did not know what is p2p and now you are ready to suggest world changes, sorry, but that sounds like amazing ignorance [02:11:13] where are you from? [02:11:25] if i see a better option i grab it [02:11:31] im not egoisitc like you [02:11:44] expectopatronum where are you from? [02:11:46] do research before you make propaganda [02:11:52] byeee [02:11:59] cya [02:12:53] If I see any more propagan like this in real life I will go nuts [02:13:00] propaganda* [02:13:26] i feel you there [02:14:03] well nuts meaning I get out a megaphone and yell at them [02:15:54] *** Quits: expectopatronum (qwebirc@RBOSE-fog.4s4.138.189.IP) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [02:22:41] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1349532/Dubai-islands-falling-sea-Dubai-World-sinks-fund-crisis.html#ixzz1BxE6FxI8 [02:22:42] URL Title: Dubai islands falling into the sea: Dubai World sinks after fund crisis | Mail Online [02:23:30] "The project, a man-made archipelago designed to resemble a map of the planet, is facing disaster as its islands have begun sinking, a tribunal heard this week. [02:23:30] The development, which sits a mile and a half from the mainland, is all but vacant after investors who bought up its ‘nations’ saw their finances collapse after the economic crash." [02:46:18] ohai gais! [02:46:45] hi duxck :D [02:47:49] Hey lukas how's it going? [02:49:31] all fine, working on tg2 atm [02:49:44] what about you? [02:51:19] hey [02:51:35] i'm in windows and cry quite a lot :P [02:52:32] got a question whenevr i hit a zeittard link it rarely takes me to where the lnik is suppsoe to take me it usually will either lead me to a 404 page, to the front site, somtimes the frotn of the forum site, and everyonce and a while to the actually link that i was orginal suppsoe to go too [03:22:21] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pblfqJ7H7aI [03:22:22] You4Tube 2[Title] Eben Moglen on the future of networking 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 1:01:43 2[Views] 72 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2011-01-05 2[Description] A open source vision to the future integrity of the Internet. How technology can help develop politics. A very interesting lecture / speech by Eben Moglen. [full video!] Title: How can we be the silver-lining of the cloud - Freedom and privacy are endangered in the c [03:22:32] Dont miss this one folks =) [03:30:41] what do you click zeitbowel movement links in the first place, Billlllll [03:37:10] GOODNIGHT [03:37:14] arrrrbose [03:37:16] :D [03:43:22] gn :) [03:43:51] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gePIc6xXXA&feature=channel lol [03:43:52] You4Tube 2[Title] How to Make a Geodesic Dome ...even if yer stoopud. Part 1 of 2 2[Category] Tech 2[Duration] 0:07:35 2[Views] 7455 2[Rating] 4.92 2[Uploaded] 2009-12-21 2[Description] ok.... not that I'm saying anyone is stoopud or anything... oh, nevermind. [03:53:54] *** Quits: Fodi69 (Fodi69@RBOSE-437m0d.pool.telekom.hu) (Quit: ) [03:59:17] *** Quits: anne (anne@RBOSE-v19qfo.adsl.tpnet.pl) (A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.) [04:18:10] *** Joins: Billll7 (billll@RBOSE-eb3hlc.res.rr.com) [04:21:25] *** Quits: Billll6 (billll@RBOSE-eb3hlc.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [04:22:19] -|UFO|- Billll2 has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [04:22:27] -|UFO|- Billll has joined on FREENODE [04:32:36] *** Quits: Caly (Calyptratus@RBOSE.org) (Quit: Become the change!) [04:32:37] -|UFO|- Caly has quit FREENODE (Quit: Become the change!) [04:32:56] *** Quits: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-i97fcv.biz.rr.com) (Quit: Leaving.) [06:30:23] *** Joins: Sixth_Ape (sixth_ape@RBOSE-l5qtu7.mweb.co.za) [06:47:36] *** Quits: Sixth_Ape (sixth_ape@RBOSE-l5qtu7.mweb.co.za) (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) [06:47:47] *** Joins: Sixth_Ape (sixth_ape@RBOSE-l5qtu7.mweb.co.za) [07:02:11] “I don’t regard The zeitgeist Movement as an activist movement. Rather, it seems to me to be a very passive movement that is misled by doctrines that have a pleasant sound, but collapse on analysis. Among them is the idea that we should “stop supporting the system” and should not “fight it,” that is seek to change and overcome it. That means that we should withdraw into passivity. Nothing could be more welcome to those with po [07:02:11] *** diogenez was kicked by RBOSE (Sorry, but we are tired of "zeitgeist movement" on this channel.) [07:02:21] *** Joins: diogenez (Administrator@RBOSE-q3g2og.ph.cox.net) [07:03:00] My feeling is that however sincere the leaders and participants may be, the movement is seriously misguided. It is not leading towards change, but is undermining it by encouraging passivity and withdrawal from engagement, and offering a false sense that some real alternative is being proposed, except in terms so abstract and divorced from reality as to be virtually meaningless.” Noam Chomsky [07:04:01] I couldn't make myself watch it again just to give arguments against it. It's too creepy and also a waste of time [07:04:24] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-e2j.9m6.27.41.IP) [07:04:26] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-e2j.9m6.27.41.IP) (Connection closed) [07:04:51] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-e2j.9m6.27.41.IP) [07:13:52] *** Quits: Sixth_Ape (sixth_ape@RBOSE-l5qtu7.mweb.co.za) (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) [07:14:08] *** Joins: Sixth_Ape (sixth_ape@RBOSE-l5qtu7.mweb.co.za) [07:14:39] *** Quits: Sixth_Ape (sixth_ape@RBOSE-l5qtu7.mweb.co.za) (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) [07:15:55] you guys read those great comments? [07:16:58] I just read the one above, but it's amazing to me that Chomsky bothered even to write something about it [07:17:08] ya read the last comment [07:19:30] the idea of self sacrifice being a important part of any domination system is important to note [07:20:06] i could only imagine what Mr. T would say [07:39:19] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-e2j.9m6.27.41.IP) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [07:39:47] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-b29.6p9.31.41.IP) [08:01:52] *** Joins: kman (erik@RBOSE-o3t75g.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [08:08:45] *** Joins: Baradosa (Baradosa@RBOSE-ar3h73.pool.invitel.hu) [08:11:18] morning folks! [08:12:10] *** Joins: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-hocik6.pool.telekom.hu) [08:12:18] *** Quits: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-hocik6.pool.telekom.hu) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.1 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [08:12:35] hi Viper :) [08:21:32] <|UFO|> 08<06Out`Of`Control@FREENODE08> Hey lukas :) [08:23:08] Morning Viper! [08:23:57] <|UFO|> 08<06Out`Of`Control@FREENODE08> :D [08:24:18] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-b29.6p9.31.41.IP) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [08:38:07] *** Joins: Emerik (qwebirc@RBOSE-m14i2g.catv.broadband.hu) [09:10:52] *** Joins: Absalom (Absalom@RBOSE-fb2tr7.lavasoft.net) [09:14:02] *** Joins: Julius (Julius@RBOSE-t3c.eqt.228.195.IP) [09:14:20] -|UFO|- Julius-ZM has joined on FREENODE [09:14:21] -|UFO|- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Julius-ZM [09:14:39] !morning all [09:14:41] ACTION wishes everybody in #RBOSE a wonderful morning and a great start in the day! [09:16:00] *** Joins: JsonBot (jsb@RBOSE-t3c.eqt.228.195.IP) [09:16:19] *** Parts: JsonBot (jsb@RBOSE-t3c.eqt.228.195.IP) [09:44:20] *** Quits: Haseldow (haseldow@RBOSE-ql0dat.ipredate.net) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [09:46:22] *** Joins: Haseldow (haseldow@RBOSE-t6h3i4.ipredate.net) [10:41:13] *** Joins: VeraHG (qwebirc@RBOSE-90c9ct.xtra.co.nz) [10:41:51] hello [10:44:36] *** Quits: Fat64 (herp@NetAdmin.RBOSE) (pms.rbose.org fat64.rbose.org) [10:45:24] Ohai VeraHG [10:45:32] *** Joins: Fat64 (herp@NetAdmin.RBOSE) [10:46:09] what's up? [10:46:50] hunger is what's up :) [10:46:54] Need food stuff [10:47:48] oh i just finished cooking [10:47:54] what about a fruit soup [10:48:06] and mushroom waffels? [10:49:35] sound awesome [10:49:44] but for me it will be fishsticks with peas :) [10:49:49] cus i'm a lazy ass atm [10:51:15] :) [10:51:28] if noone complains [10:51:35] thats the most efficient [10:51:56] luckily i don't have anyone who has to eat my gormĂ©t food besides myself :) [10:52:12] :) [10:52:23] very convenient:) [10:52:48] im fortunately married someone who eats anything i cook [10:52:57] that gives confidence:) [10:53:21] Or if it is really bad she/he just don't want to hurt your feelings :P [10:53:50] he actually eats it [10:53:54] i saw it! [10:53:54] but that should have surfaced before the "married" part :) [10:54:07] :) [10:55:29] yeah i had committed some kitchen crimes before that [10:56:03] a moment - nappychange [10:56:09] (not mineĂ– [10:59:13] where are you from, duxck? [11:00:15] Sweden [11:00:17] You as well? [11:00:29] im from NZ [11:00:41] Hmm, you don't use Ă– dont you? :) [11:00:51] as originally im from hungary [11:00:57] I actually do [11:01:07] my name even contains ű [11:01:24] which isn't in the computer of registry of births [11:01:36] in NZ [11:02:16] so you got an ö instead? [11:02:26] well ĂĽ which is almost as bad:) [11:02:32] :) [11:02:38] not me but my daughter [11:03:08] but i know who supplies my personal information to companies from the way they misspell my name [11:03:16] everyone does it uniquely [11:03:33] hehe [11:03:36] do you eat swedes/rutabagas? [11:03:41] where in hungary are you from? [11:03:48] the southern part [11:04:14] i know swedes are native in swede, is that ight? [11:04:28] but id never seen any until i came here [11:04:38] i didnt actually know what that plant was at all [11:05:18] apparently after being the sole foodware for 2 winters in the world war I it wasn't too popular in europe anymore [11:11:28] whut? [11:11:33] swedes are the swedish people :P [11:12:02] i hope we werent the food for two winters in WW1 :P [11:13:05] i'm no swede, i'm an earthling! [11:13:22] VeraHG: is there a thing plant called "swede"? [11:14:25] here they call it sede [11:14:38] but nz english isn't the queens english [11:14:46] americans call it rutabaga [11:15:02] and its also called some kind of turnip [11:15:12] but here its swede for everyone [11:18:46] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutabaga [11:18:47] URL Title: Rutabaga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [11:18:58] !w Rutabaga [11:19:01] Rutabaga | The rutabaga, swede (from Swedish turnip), or yellow turnip (Brassica napobrassica, or Brassica napus var. napobrassica, or Brassica napus subsp. rapifera) is a root vegetable that originated as a cross between the cabbage and the turnip (See Triangle of U). The roots are prepared for food in a variety of ways, and its leaves can also be eaten as a leaf vegetable. @ [11:19:02] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutabaga [11:22:06] so it seems in swedish its rotabagge [11:25:40] ,t en sv rutabaga [11:25:41] duxck: kĂĄlrot [11:25:43] :) [11:25:49] i love our bots! [11:25:50] :) [11:26:01] bot means stick in hungarian [11:26:12] i love sticks as well so it's cool :) [11:26:19] a eooden stick [11:26:20] :) [11:26:23] wooden [11:26:41] so do you eat kálrot? [11:29:32] Sometimes yes [11:29:40] cool:) [11:29:53] do you have recipes for it? [11:30:08] because apart from cooking it... [11:30:43] im trying to use it instead of german turnip but its not the same [11:30:43] ,t sv en potatisklyftor [11:30:44] duxck: potato wedges [11:30:58] ,t sv en klyftpotatis [11:30:59] duxck: potato wedges [11:31:01] and kiwis cant cook - dont tell them! [11:31:02] :) [11:31:31] okay, well you take potatoes, carrots and swedes and pil them and in the oven for 45minutes [11:31:31] how do you include swede into potato wedges? [11:31:36] you can also add ... [11:31:44] ,t sv en rödbetor [11:31:45] duxck: beetroot [11:31:48] beetroot :) [11:31:48] what do i do in the oven? [11:31:58] i love your words [11:32:31] they aren't as cool when you speak them all the time :P [11:32:39] *** Joins: Kimsan (Kim@RBOSE-lrfah1.cust.tele2.se) [11:32:44] do i dice them first or in whole [11:32:55] oh they may not be duxck [11:32:56] dices or wedges [11:33:05] but if you start with annoying words [11:33:19] you dont feel like talking ater a day [11:33:37] oh but I gotta ask VeraHG, Do you like Besh o Drom? [11:33:59] im not sure i know it [11:34:10] Awesome hungarian sort of folk music :) [11:34:10] whats that? [11:34:16] goodness:) [11:34:24] i have no idea [11:34:36] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dnFsAJutDo [11:34:37] You4Tube 2[Title] Besh O droM 'Amikor En Kissrac Voltam' Music Video 2[Category] Music 2[Duration] 0:03:05 2[Views] 154974 2[Rating] 4.93 2[Uploaded] 2006-12-05 2[Description] music video for hungarian band besh o drom. the track is the remix of a 1968 music festival contest winner - and so is the video. dir. balint d. sos; dp - mark gyori. [11:34:38] there you go [11:34:46] i dont watch movies [11:35:07] is it a modern type? [11:35:11] or original? [11:35:35] http://soundcloud.com/greenqueenmusic/gypsy-hill-besh-o-drom-balaka [11:35:36] URL Title: Gypsy Hill Besh o DroM "Balaka" by greenqueenmusic on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free [11:35:38] no video there :) [11:35:43] modern [11:35:56] they play around quite a lot with their music [11:36:01] i see [11:36:11] i definitely like original folk music [11:36:12] but clear to their roots [11:36:23] im rather into jazz, funky andd classical [11:36:32] they you'll like these [11:36:42] i love jazz, funk and classical as well [11:36:51] ill look them up when im not trying to hypnotize my daughter into sleep:) [11:37:04] hehe you should try hypnotize her with this music :) [11:37:07] you are rreally open, then! [11:37:12] :) [11:37:31] im using the ancient technique of rocking her [11:37:38] it doesnt work [11:37:47] Oh lord, that's so 11th century :P [11:37:57] she is the physical form of the idea: AWAKE [11:38:09] Tried Ether? [11:38:18] I hear that always work ;) [11:38:22] thats so xviii century:) [11:39:28] no kidding with a mum about the kid:) [11:39:52] i've lost my sense of humor about kids when i got pregnant [11:40:01] :/ [11:40:23] very neanderthal [11:41:06] guess its even harder in this society where its basically about "every man for himself" [11:41:52] oh im in a better position [11:42:03] i dont see anyone for weeks [11:42:09] i dont like people [11:42:13] in gweneral [11:42:17] only a few [11:42:43] the ones who dont fit the "frame" of an obedient worker i guess :D [11:42:55] but in a cooperating society it could be different [11:43:12] you actually may be right, kalken [11:43:26] i prefer eccentric people... or scientists [11:43:41] or simply decent ones:D [11:43:53] we will know for sure in a near future when we have built a society based on cooperation instead of competitive achievements [11:44:07] do you believe we will? [11:44:18] believe? im going to built it [11:44:25] with everyone that wants to [11:44:39] ill need to talk to you more often [11:44:52] i have plenty of questions [11:45:07] i'm almost always here :) [11:45:25] *** Joins: bg71 (qwebirc@RBOSE-28canp.catv.broadband.hu) [11:45:26] ill be back to you then [11:45:33] but now i need to go [11:45:34] great :) [11:45:50] VeraHG: ok, have a great day! [11:45:52] i finally managed to rock my baby asleep [11:46:01] you too kalken [11:47:00] ,t en sv goodbye [11:47:01] VeraHG: adjö [11:47:08] adjö duxck [11:48:00] *** Quits: VeraHG (qwebirc@RBOSE-90c9ct.xtra.co.nz) (Quit: Page closed) [11:58:02] *** Joins: jani1981 (qwebirc@RBOSE-7jj7up.pool.digikabel.hu) [12:10:19] *** Quits: jani1981 (qwebirc@RBOSE-7jj7up.pool.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [12:11:03] *** Julius is now known as Julius|NotHere [12:11:05] -|UFO|- nick change by Julius-ZM to Julius-ZM|NotHer on FREENODE [12:19:09] *** Quits: bg71 (qwebirc@RBOSE-28canp.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [12:24:02] *** Quits: |UFO| (supybot@Unidentified.Flying.Object) (pms.rbose.org viper.rbose.org) [12:24:02] *** Quits: Grits (Hominy@RBOSE-dkvesl.shawneelink.net) (pms.rbose.org viper.rbose.org) [12:24:02] *** Quits: Billll7 (billll@RBOSE-eb3hlc.res.rr.com) (pms.rbose.org viper.rbose.org) [12:24:02] *** Quits: SoNeta (piespy@RBOSE-gkfu2h) (pms.rbose.org viper.rbose.org) [12:24:02] *** Quits: Viper (Viper@NetAdmin.RBOSE) (pms.rbose.org viper.rbose.org) [12:24:57] *** Joins: |UFO| (supybot@Unidentified.Flying.Object) [12:24:57] *** Joins: SoNeta (piespy@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [12:24:57] *** Joins: Viper (Viper@NetAdmin.RBOSE) [12:24:57] *** Joins: Grits (Hominy@RBOSE-dkvesl.shawneelink.net) [12:24:57] *** Joins: Billll7 (billll@RBOSE-eb3hlc.res.rr.com) [13:01:45] *** Joins: Nanos (nanos.org.uk@RBOSE-dl7.hqi.93.84.IP) [13:02:17] Good day all. 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[19:08:44] no [19:09:52] i was updating from console, the package was called ttf-mscorefonts-installer, might be something related to wine [19:10:55] for sure my fonts in browser look different now, i did not agreed to that license ad denied it permission to be installed [19:10:55] oh i delete it [19:17:15] *** Joins: halott (qwebirc@RBOSE-bfevtr.pool.t-online.hu) [19:17:37] `fortune [19:17:38] <|UFO|> Viper: Q: Why did the programmer call his mother long distance? A: Because that was her name. 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[20:33:53] *** Joins: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-i97fcv.biz.rr.com) [20:34:55] *** Quits: Baradosa (Baradosa@RBOSE-ar3h73.pool.invitel.hu) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [20:35:02] * Viper trows #developers at BranManFloMore :D [20:35:06] Hey! [20:38:26] Oops [20:38:36] * BranManFloMore goes to the list. [20:41:13] viper class as in professor and students [20:41:15] lol [20:41:30] * Viper dont like them [20:41:31] LOL [20:41:57] BranManFloMore you can add channels to auto join [20:42:40] I don't know how to do that on Pidgin. [20:49:30] oh Pidgin [20:49:43] you can do that i dont remember how [20:50:36] Errrrr.... [20:50:57] huh [20:51:26] Let me know when you remember, I'm on Pidgin a lot. [20:51:43] *** Joins: God (God@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [20:52:30] checking :D [20:53:08] Sounds like I would to install a plugin for probably, huh? [20:53:21] I would have to* [20:53:42] Conversation/Add/Room List [20:54:04] Ah! [20:55:21] *** Parts: God (God@rbose.org) [20:55:57] *** Joins: God (God@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [20:57:18] *** Parts: God (God@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [20:57:27] *** Joins: God (God@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [20:57:31] *** Parts: God (God@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [20:57:43] Okay, I'm about to experiment. [20:57:50] *** Quits: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-i97fcv.biz.rr.com) (Quit: Leaving.) [20:57:59] *** Joins: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-i97fcv.biz.rr.com) [20:58:10] its not working here lol [20:58:13] Okay, it didn't work. [20:59:01] *** Joins: God (god@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [20:59:02] I'm going to try again. [20:59:05] *** Quits: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-i97fcv.biz.rr.com) (Quit: Leaving.) [20:59:06] *** Quits: halott (qwebirc@RBOSE-bfevtr.pool.t-online.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [20:59:09] *** Joins: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-i97fcv.biz.rr.com) [20:59:20] Nope. [21:00:25] *** Parts: God (god@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [21:00:32] *** Joins: God (god@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [21:00:43] ok it works for me i tell you how [21:00:48] a sec lol [21:01:16] Oh no. [21:01:18] I see it. [21:02:00] Thank you God! [21:02:11] And Viper. [21:02:12] :) [21:02:17] hehe yw [21:02:57] you makr autojoin ? [21:03:22] *** Quits: God (god@RBOSE-gkfu2h) (Quit: Leaving.) [21:05:01] Sort of, when I log in- the rooms show up in my buddylist for me to click on each one instead of typing "/list" to manually do it like I always did. I guess it's quicker now, if that's what you mean by "autojoin"- I think I did it. [21:05:30] *** Joins: Cyclo (Cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) [21:05:36] no [21:06:12] go to Buddies/Add Chat [21:06:26] select irc Account [21:06:42] *** Joins: God (god@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [21:07:24] press on Room List [21:08:27] select a channel press Add Chat "Mark Autojoin when account connects" press Add [21:08:32] to same step for each channel [21:09:06] *do [21:09:18] Hi Cyclo! [21:09:30] Hey Viper [21:09:39] *** Quits: God (god@RBOSE-gkfu2h) (Quit: Leaving.) [21:10:09] Where it says channels, how do I type them in? [21:10:20] BranManFloMore you cant type channels [21:10:33] *** Joins: God (god@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [21:11:03] Then I don't understand how to drag it in. [21:11:11] you dont need to drag anything [21:11:32] ok right now go to the main Pidgin window. [21:11:54] Press on "Buddies" then "Add Chat" [21:12:12] let me know when you are there [21:12:17] There. [21:12:33] now you see account tab? select irc account as you have more accounts [21:12:44] Okay, done. [21:12:54] press on Room List [21:13:04] Okay. [21:13:06] you get channel list [21:13:19] select #test [21:13:26] Okay [21:13:27] and press on Add Chat [21:13:35] Okay [21:13:39] you get new window [21:13:43] Yes. [21:13:50] mark Autojoin when account connects [21:13:55] then press Add [21:13:59] Okay. [21:14:01] should be irc account [21:14:12] do same for all irc channels that you would like to join [21:14:23] Okay. [21:14:26] :) [21:14:38] then reconnect and see if it works [21:16:18] Okay, lets see how this works. [21:16:24] *** Quits: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-i97fcv.biz.rr.com) (Quit: Leaving.) [21:16:33] *** Joins: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-i97fcv.biz.rr.com) [21:16:54] *** Quits: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-tmde8k.mobileonline.telia.com) (A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.) [21:17:19] *** Quits: God (god@RBOSE-gkfu2h) (Quit: Leaving.) [21:24:58] *** Quits: ebro69 (qwebirc@RBOSE-drij2g.c-220.tvnetwork.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [21:30:34] *** Kebap_ is now known as Kebap [21:30:36] it works branman :) [21:32:11] Yup yup, now it's automatic. [21:32:12] :) [21:34:23] *** Quits: Julius (Julius@psyc.RBOSE) (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.1 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) [21:34:24] -|UFO|- Julius-ZM has quit FREENODE (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.1 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) [21:35:23] *** Joins: simon (qwebirc@RBOSE-a3vg1n.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [21:35:49] yo bitches [21:36:34] Yo simon! [21:36:43] hey Viper whats up :) [21:36:46] how are you? [21:36:47] fine thanks [21:36:52] welcome back lol [21:37:09] How are you? [21:37:13] thank you. i was here yesterday saying hello. And now im here once again [21:37:27] i wish to see you more in here [21:37:35] Im fine. thank you. Right now im thinking of meditating before sleep [21:37:47] simon: yo bitches <--- Hey bitch. [21:37:48] oh ok [21:37:51] yea. ill stick around. rbose is awesome [21:38:02] BranManFloMore <3 [21:38:13] how life Viper ? [21:38:22] everything working out for you? [21:38:27] yeah [21:38:32] *** Joins: Fodi69 (Fodi69@RBOSE-vuujle.pool.t-online.hu) [21:38:45] hi simon :) you made it! you said you will be here today and you are [21:38:47] no shit no fun life sucks then [21:38:52] ,praise simon [21:38:52] * rBOTse Go for the moon simon. If you don't get it, you'll still be heading for a star. [21:38:54] lukas!! [21:38:58] the one [21:38:58] :D [21:39:03] ,smack all [21:39:03] * rBOTse smacks all with the Nobel Prize aka joke [21:39:07] how are you lukas ? [21:39:09] haha [21:39:40] *** Quits: Fodi69 (Fodi69@RBOSE-vuujle.pool.t-online.hu) (Quit: ) [21:39:53] ?? people [21:39:54] people: A social network diagram for RBOSE IRC, and a list of RBOSE contributors you can find here: http://rbose.org/wiki/People [21:40:11] If you could choose one country to live in. Which country would it be? [21:40:15] and why? [21:40:18] thanks, i just eat supper and and plan to work on something :) how about you? [21:40:54] I would live in Canada because I would always say at the end of my sentence "Ey!". [21:41:10] Hey BranManFloMore Ey! [21:41:19] lol [21:41:20] the one with less control LOL [21:41:25] And if I was homesick, I wouldn't be far. [21:41:28] ey! [21:41:40] im thinking of starting a fund [21:41:50] where the money goes to buying land [21:41:55] to build stuff on [21:42:13] just dont know where the land should be located [21:42:40] Hmmm.... [21:42:53] personally i would go for a warm country [21:43:27] but still as Viper said. A country with less control is good [21:43:35] I guess it would be somewhere around the equator? [21:43:39] *** Joins: Geist88889 (Geist88889-ZM@RBOSE-nacbt0.netcologne.de) [21:43:46] simon, i don't know, have the same dilemma, i would check legislation and if gov is pain into ass, then relations among people, climate and physical conditions, then big area, and i would all the time think to do that with other skilled people who love to learn and make things [21:44:09] Hi Geist88889! [21:44:55] i agree lukas. But the government wont be a pain in the ass if you buy the land [21:44:58] *** Quits: Geist88889 (Geist88889-ZM@RBOSE-nacbt0.netcologne.de) (Quit: www.rbose.org ;)) [21:45:05] then you can choose how to use it [21:45:07] i read it as earn lol was like wtf [21:45:58] simon you cant build in hollad on your land [21:46:08] oh [21:46:10] You need to get papers and so on [21:46:12] that sucks [21:46:20] Same is in most EU from what i know [21:46:23] in Sweden you can [21:46:29] but sweden is cold [21:46:43] simon, not really, you might need massive amount of $ for permissions if you would like to build wind station, or build housing, in poland you cannot to any of that without them, you need even is some constructions get permission for any change in building [21:47:04] you cant even upgrade/change your balcon haha [21:47:16] in Italy for example they can build whatever they want from what i know, it's their own problem if this will fall down [21:47:26] you spend more $ on papers then building stuff [21:47:35] exactly Viper [21:47:37] italy sounds great! [21:48:12] so Italy is non governed you say? [21:48:16] in housing and stuff.. [21:48:16] when do we go? [21:48:27] white house and take it over LOL [21:48:28] kalken: :D [21:48:31] <3 [21:48:48] jk [21:49:22] simon, I'm just saying that the conditions created by govs are important to not waste lifetime on courts or bureaucrats [21:51:00] well lets say italy is "the place". First i would say we need to gather people to do this seriously. Ppl that really could think of moving to italy and create "the place". Then we would need funding, but thats the easy part. [21:51:27] from my current perspective seems that smaller countries (smaller population) do often better in terms of relations [21:51:44] lets say we are 30 people that are serious about this. We create sites and projects with the only intention to gather money. [21:52:11] lets do it without money [21:52:30] its all about getting people to understand the "why" [21:52:36] kalken: yes but thats the long road :p [21:52:57] it's very hard to get in small communities such degree of specialization that community can afford to have bloodsuckers only controlling others and doing nothing else [21:52:57] *** Quits: Absalom (Absalom@RBOSE-2q9b81.bredband.comhem.se) (Quit: ) [21:53:21] this thing about being able to help someone just because they give you a piece of paper with some numbers on, is one of the things that is seriously wrong with this world [21:53:57] kalken, i'm totally with you on this [21:54:36] But the money isnt for help. Its for the land [21:54:52] no shortcuts if the cost is taking advantage of other people, this would be totally wrong from my perspective (and is right now as we all see) [21:54:58] unfortenly you still have to pay for land. [21:55:19] i've seen techniques to build houses from piles of dirt, producing energy by simply using the sun and the wind. I agree land could cost something, but their might be people sitting on land and dont know what they can do with it also [21:55:40] lets not forget that resources are "owned" by good people also :D [21:55:47] :) [21:56:03] kalken. yes ofcourse. Thats why we should buy land with plenty of resources [21:56:06] like wood [21:56:10] and stone [21:56:12] ;D [21:56:14] and dirt [21:56:19] and sun [21:57:14] lets get people fuck $ :) [21:57:32] 30 ppl would probably be able to buy quite a lot of land when selling of resources they dont need in daily life anymore [21:57:58] or as i said. Getting in touch with people who own land, and help them do something good with it [21:58:05] for everybodys sake [21:58:36] one have to be really ignorant to not see the problems we all are heading to [21:59:01] *** Quits: Kebap (kebap@RBOSE-v8lh2e.adsl.alicedsl.de) (pms.rbose.org viper.rbose.org) [21:59:01] *** Quits: |UFO| (supybot@Unidentified.Flying.Object) (pms.rbose.org viper.rbose.org) [21:59:01] *** Quits: Caly (Calyptratus@RBOSE.org) (pms.rbose.org viper.rbose.org) [21:59:01] *** Quits: Grits (Hominy@RBOSE-dkvesl.shawneelink.net) (pms.rbose.org viper.rbose.org) [21:59:01] *** Quits: Billll7 (billll@RBOSE-eb3hlc.res.rr.com) (pms.rbose.org viper.rbose.org) [21:59:01] *** Quits: Viper (Viper@NetAdmin.RBOSE) (pms.rbose.org viper.rbose.org) [21:59:01] *** Quits: SoNeta (piespy@RBOSE-gkfu2h) (pms.rbose.org viper.rbose.org) [21:59:36] yeah, some people have already some resources, the only trick is go get people free from thinking in terms of exploiting others [21:59:59] hehe [22:00:01] well [22:00:22] i would rather do this with ppl who know what is really wrong with this world today, then buying a better reality for me and a few friends [22:00:27] the risk of beeing exploited is high [22:00:29] i mean [22:00:52] why? [22:00:57] *** Joins: Grits (Hominy@RBOSE-dkvesl.shawneelink.net) [22:00:57] *** Joins: |UFO| (supybot@Unidentified.Flying.Object) [22:00:57] *** Joins: SoNeta (piespy@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [22:00:57] *** Joins: Viper (Viper@NetAdmin.RBOSE) [22:00:57] *** Joins: Caly (Calyptratus@RBOSE.org) [22:00:57] *** Joins: Billll7 (billll@RBOSE-eb3hlc.res.rr.com) [22:00:57] *** Joins: Kebap (kebap@RBOSE-v8lh2e.adsl.alicedsl.de) [22:01:03] if i had land i'd give it up in a sec [22:01:03] if i own land and invite you to join me and build whatever you want to build on it. Then you do it. What stops me to just kick you out from my land when you are done? [22:01:07] no questions asked [22:01:20] last message i got [21:59] one have to be really ignorant to not see the problems we all are heading to [22:02:48] simon, it must be done in different way, single owner can put everybody in relation master-peasant [22:03:33] the only problem i see to day is that its logical that the most egoistic, self centric people with out any regreats about how much they take from everybody else, sits on most of the resouces [22:03:42] simon we are exploited right now [22:03:42] but buying is the simplest off all, it's for dumb people, you take a loan and you have it, you take advantage of other people, you have it, the more you do that, the more money you have, and I would not call it "buying a better reality" [22:04:29] well you doesn't have to fund it with a loan [22:04:43] i would like to see projects IRL built up of the same principles as open source software. Knowledge about doing things is shared. [22:04:48] included that case as well [22:05:16] i fear that bringing money into this will start the endless loop of utter crap again [22:05:31] with ppl optimizing what is benificial in that [22:05:50] you cant just go from 0 to 100 in a second. You have to take one step at a time. Sure we all share a common goal but thats not the world we live in today. [22:06:21] building business model and so on [22:06:25] ofc, but we can not buy ourselves out of this mess either [22:06:28] Someday we have to start from where we are and then we will learn and evolve and do everything better from that spot [22:06:30] like versions [22:06:34] v1,v2,v3 [22:06:52] simon: someday is within a year for me [22:07:10] with or without ppl who have time to wait :) [22:07:15] if we buy land and invite everyone to come and join us. What bad would come from that? [22:07:58] first fine best location [22:08:01] *finde [22:08:10] if we get in contact with ppl owning land, and they understand what we are trying to do and gets onboard, what bad would come from that? [22:08:25] yeah [22:08:54] simon, there is a book about that, 90% of communities fail mainly because of you are suggesting as most important [22:09:07] what* you are suggesting [22:09:12] the primary solution for a community change is education for creating awareness. Thats hard when 90% is unaware. So the best thing todo from my perspective is to create a place where you can live in harmony (even if its not 100%) and then start ecucating people and show others that it is possible [22:09:30] actually i think the posibility of getting screwed over by self interests is lower when ppl understand that its not business that makes the world go around [22:09:36] *** Quits: Fat64 (herp@NetAdmin.RBOSE) (pms.rbose.org fat64.rbose.org) [22:09:50] it has always been about what people do [22:10:28] it might even come to the point where nothing is for sale [22:10:31] money isn't the problem. People is. [22:10:42] Control [22:10:57] You dont talk to money you talk to people. Money doesnt control the world its people. [22:11:11] simon: i agree with you that money is not the problem. Its the requirement of direct or indirect trades that is the real problem [22:11:28] yea [22:11:32] *** Joins: Fat64 (herp@NetAdmin.RBOSE) [22:11:41] wb Fat64! :) [22:12:23] lukas: money is not important at all. What is important is what you do. [22:12:48] simon, i know, and it's important for me _why_ i do it [22:13:10] and i know exactly _why_ i don't want to mess with money [22:13:11] i'm always going to have my "personal economy" until i can get everything i need when i need it without those papers. But i rather work building something with people who understands what things really matter [22:14:01] http://tinyogg.com/ [22:14:01] so tell me. Whats the problem with buying land with money? :) [22:14:02] URL Title: TinyOgg - Welcome! [22:14:12] yo DNS :D [22:14:13] check that out :) [22:14:17] y0y0 [22:14:23] and i dont expect to be lying resting on a bed with a robot running da house anytime soon :D [22:14:26] ( DNS, yes, i have seen it last time, it's nice :D ) [22:15:42] kalken, my brain would die in such passivity for sure, and i can be quite sure it would happen to more people [22:15:57] :) [22:16:11] i'm too restless to not do things [22:16:16] its how i feel alive [22:16:24] wait just lying or lying with robot? hehe [22:16:47] !8ball is your 8ball lying? [22:16:48] DNS, my 8-ball says: si. [22:16:57] !dance [22:16:58] !8ball omg really? [22:16:58] ACTION headbangs wild, climbs over the heads of the nicklist and stagedives from the channel-topic on Viper in #RBOSE [22:17:00] DNS, my 8-ball says: yes indeed. [22:17:03] lol [22:17:05] simon, we might have money already as kalken pointed, but we will achieve little with people thinking in terms of money [22:17:35] simon as you said before money is not the problem but people [22:17:41] lukas: exactly. [22:18:00] i see no progress with such people, they just want new shinny shit [22:18:22] no i want a shit with apple logo :D [22:18:25] if we create a community that is based on direct trades of stuff it will not solve anything either [22:18:47] ppl have to think bigger than this [22:20:35] i also see the problem with letting "everyone" join because soon some capitalist will come and ruin the party [22:20:50] most peoples values are fucked up right now [22:20:56] and they dont even realize it yet [22:21:23] (they might include me in some cases) :D [22:23:30] same here [22:27:46] i feel just haning around here for a few month have changed me, so i can imagine that if daily life changed also, it will only be to the better [22:28:26] well sure but the community wouldn't be based on money [22:28:38] its only about buying land :p [22:28:54] yes :) [22:28:57] not to buy food, shelter, stuff and more stuff [22:29:00] for me its plan b :D [22:29:09] and plan a? [22:29:30] to get intouch with ppl who have land and understand what is in their best interest [22:29:56] most people that have land and $ are thinking to buy more food if something go wrong [22:30:07] But what when that food end? lol [22:30:15] most yes, but we only need to find one right now :D [22:30:21] who does not fit that pattern [22:30:33] kalken: and how do we find theese ppl? [22:30:42] you tell me :) [22:30:43] *** Joins: Fodi69 (Fodi69@RBOSE-vuujle.pool.t-online.hu) [22:30:48] i dont have any answers [22:30:50] not yet [22:31:06] we have master plan in gobby :D [22:31:17] i dont even know who are talking, and who are actually ready to do something for real :D [22:31:29] i believe that a plan like that is for sure possible. But hard. [22:31:33] *** Joins: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-hocik6.pool.telekom.hu) [22:31:35] research communities [22:32:11] So lets say i buy land [22:32:16] simon: building a completely free os from scratch was not easy either, but somebody started doing it anyway [22:32:25] *** Quits: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-hocik6.pool.telekom.hu) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.1 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [22:32:27] and soon others joined up to continue the work [22:32:27] and then decide to make it open [22:32:31] would you join? [22:32:40] yes [22:32:50] great. Then ill start collecting [22:32:53] ;D [22:32:54] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pMyYuyWFx8 [22:32:55] You4Tube 2[Title] This Day In History: The Invention Of The Handjob 2[Category] Comedy 2[Duration] 0:01:11 2[Views] 306 2[Rating] 4.89 2[Uploaded] 2011-01-25 2[Description] Handjob inventor Fred Gilgoff describes the inspiration for the two-person masturbation technique. [22:33:43] simon, lol [22:33:58] lukas: :) [22:34:39] thing is that it would probably take a while for me to get that money and it would be better to choose a spot together [22:35:20] 1. funding together 2. choosing spot together 3. investigating resources together 4. build it together 5. collaborate! [22:35:23] so, project "finding suitable land" was started :) [22:35:38] and project "getting people who own that land to join up" also [22:35:43] :) [22:36:04] yea [22:36:05] ;D [22:36:09] simon maybe some people are building something and we can join [22:36:09] sounds good [22:36:24] Viper: yes i agree [22:36:43] do you know of any? [22:36:49] we need research communities [22:36:56] yes check in gobby [22:37:20] give link [22:37:57] are you on linux? [22:38:06] sudo apt-get install gobby-0.5 [22:38:51] http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/wiki/Download [22:38:52] URL Title: Download – Gobby [22:39:37] hmm is gobby 0.5 not available for windows-users? [22:39:46] its 0.49 [22:39:52] ok [22:41:57] simon let me know when you install it [22:42:25] Viper aka the keymaker [22:42:31] hehe [22:42:56] simon, we pay cost to it when we operate with money. Any idea why people feel not being connected with themselves and others? I don't sell my ass anymore, I'm not interested in abusing other people, I'm very happy with that ...because I don't have anymore contradicting mindfart that i should connect with others by disconnecting from them (in another words work with them only if they pay me, so i can discriminate them) [22:44:56] people then look for spirituality or even some strange things to fill the gap, i see no need for that in my life, but the condition is: we really need not contradict ourselves and our brain will be full of peace [22:45:13] brains* [22:45:21] Which means I’m not working to beat you out but you and I are both working to make it.” [22:45:27] :) [22:46:03] :) [22:46:16] `fortune [22:46:16] <|UFO|> Viper: You learn to write as if to someone else because NEXT YEAR YOU WILL BE "SOMEONE ELSE." [22:47:00] damn |UFO|. You sure look smart this evening [22:53:56] *** Joins: anne (anne@RBOSE-pptet2.adsl.tpnet.pl) [22:54:56] hello anne :) [22:55:02] HI guys! i ve just checked logs. [22:56:16] Many ppl start thinking were to build community (me to) but its not essencial. [22:57:39] *where [22:57:50] my personal problem is that i need to get out of this "working 9-17" way of life, because otherwise i will probably both end up insaine, and without energy to do something useful [22:57:59] Hey anne :) [22:58:13] Hi Viper! [22:58:38] *** Joins: Gambler (Gambler@RBOSE-teau9o.pool.telekom.hu) [22:58:42] and the more creative that "other environment" is the better [23:01:33] I began my search from the analysis of the English speaking countries. and i have my own preferences. eg. Guyana, India, Costa rica (spanish speaking and very expansive) [23:01:39] *** Quits: Diago_ (Diago@RBOSE-njq.nq9.84.186.IP) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) [23:01:48] i think most people dont even think [23:01:57] i need to check the information about italy [23:02:13] anne: i've read a few good things about costa rica [23:02:32] seems like a good amount of their energy is from renewable resources etc [23:02:56] that indicates that their are some sane persons in high positions [23:03:01] yea, they have good madical care [23:03:12] and belize [23:04:39] Viper: i think that most people not even think about that they dont think :D [23:04:57] I seen some older people in front of TVs, they are like zombies since the beginning of their retainment, they have been fooled at least twice: once because they believed they need sell themselves in order to live, second that the time they had to learn what life is about was by the first taken away, and now they just sit and watch shadows on cave's wall, looking at the TVs for 20-30 years already, while the life happened behind their backs :( [23:05:42] ofc, very few people get paid for thinking for them selves :) [23:06:03] most are apart of a system with ppl in top laying out the agenda [23:06:34] 30 years of that would probably make the smartest person dumb [23:06:45] or atleast adaptive [23:08:55] i analyzed databes from wikipedia and https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gy.html. [23:09:19] kalken, it has this effect unfortunately, and i'm not sure if that was the case with older people always, somehow respect for them seems to be common in the past, so maybe something seriously changed [23:10:33] yes. In the past one was more dependent on the environment surrounding. Now a days it seems possible to buy oneself out of almost any situation [23:12:07] then the current media ontop of that that teaches people that they are what they wear, etc. And shit is changing pretty fast [23:12:26] some people even think that they are what they work with, these days [23:13:20] the question "what do you do" almost always responds to people telling about what their dayjob is :D [23:13:39] kalken, guyana is interesting becouse they have low destiny and high levels of emigration so you can ask to be there as a resident when you're on vacation [23:13:55] *** Joins: duke (qwebirc@RBOSE-6ss90o.pool.digikabel.hu) [23:13:56] and also buy a land [23:14:56] *** Quits: duke (qwebirc@RBOSE-6ss90o.pool.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [23:15:24] anne: sounds great [23:17:03] *** Joins: Irwine (Irwine@RBOSE-ogd.7fq.240.89.IP) [23:17:44] Hi Irwine:) [23:18:28] *** Quits: Irwine (Irwine@RBOSE-ogd.7fq.240.89.IP) (Quit: Leaving) [23:19:33] kalken Guiana Highlands Ecovillage, Ecology Outpost (Brazil, Guyana, Suriname & Venezuela) -->forming http://directory.ic.org/22861/Guiana_Highlands_Ecovillage_Ecology_Outpost_Brazil_Guyana_Suriname_Venezuela [23:19:34] URL Title: Guiana Highlands Ecovillage, Ecology Outpost (Brazil, Guyana, Suriname & Venezuela) :: Communities Directory [23:19:46] *** Joins: Simi (qwebirc@RBOSE-9fqmmo.static.enternet.hu) [23:20:37] *** Quits: Simi (qwebirc@RBOSE-9fqmmo.static.enternet.hu) (Quit: Page closed) [23:20:59] but they have lidership Core Group and Identified Leader. [23:22:13] but its interesting Punta Mona http://directory.ic.org/20741/Punta_Mona http://www.puntamona.org (Costa Rica) [23:22:14] URL Title: Punta Mona :: Communities Directory [23:23:06] *** Joins: Miqaell (qwebirc@RBOSE-j95icr.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [23:24:08] anne: Punta Mona sounds interesting for sure [23:26:36] i'm abit twisted when it comes to leadership etc. afaik some structure is always needed, but the question is always how to get that structure as flat and transparent as possible [23:26:58] and two people seeking for others Finca Brian Y Emilia (Forming) http://directory.ic.org/6449/Finca_Brian_Y_Emilia_Forming (Costa Rica) [23:26:59] URL Title: Finca Brian Y Emilia (Forming) :: Communities Directory [23:27:10] yes [23:27:17] *** Quits: diogenez (Administrator@RBOSE-q3g2og.ph.cox.net) (Quit: Leaving.) [23:28:14] yo im back [23:28:19] sorry. got a call [23:28:47] and i really like Permaship http://sites.google.com/site/permaship1/ (Bulgaria) [23:29:16] hello anne [23:29:23] are you swedish? [23:29:43] and also new Auravilles (without money and Mantramandir) in India, Canada and USA [23:29:46] no [23:29:51] polish [23:30:10] anne: wow. I need to visit some of those places in a near future :D [23:30:21] anne do you know lukas ? [23:30:30] sure we do [23:30:37] a little [23:30:44] i mean IRL [23:30:47] hi btw [23:30:53] hey Caly! :) [23:31:08] Calyp: hello :D [23:31:15] =) [23:32:55] lukas i have a question [23:33:12] connecting engineers, mechanics and farmers would be the real key to success :) [23:33:16] are you not using money in your ordinary life? [23:33:47] *** Quits: Miqaell (qwebirc@RBOSE-j95icr.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Quit: Page closed) [23:34:42] kalken, first you can visit gobby -->cccc---> people seeking people;) [23:34:56] i love gobby btw:) [23:35:00] simon, i do, but i try to not :) I'm used to solving problems other gave up on. [23:35:42] anne: hehe i'm preparing mentally, cause when i enter gobby i will never log out again :D [23:35:53] lukas: and what do you pay for? [23:36:32] whats up with gobby? [23:36:41] its an collab text editor? [23:36:42] from which perspective i should answer? :) [23:36:57] lukas: i mean: rent, foot etc [23:37:01] simon yes [23:37:17] just wondering if you managed to get ppl giving you such resources [23:37:22] interesting to know [23:37:27] food* [23:37:28] simon: gobby is easy collaboration, and can publish context to wiki [23:37:58] simon: there is a resource-sharing project that might take care of this [23:38:15] sounds great! so do you have any open documents or such? [23:39:31] this is the basics, but there are more plans and other projects that completes it http://wiki.rbose.org/wiki/Karma [23:39:32] URL Title: Karma - RBOSE [23:40:12] its e.g about getting rid of the requirements for direct trades in a smart way [23:40:14] nice! [23:40:26] i have an point of view on number 5. [23:40:33] so stuff is starting to come in to the right hands :D [23:40:33] another* [23:43:02] in my head it gets down to actually creating a more "sane" environment to live in, and documenting every step openly, so that it gets easier and easier for other people to do the same [23:43:24] [22:38] sudo apt-get install gobby-0.5 [23:43:25] [22:38] http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/wiki/Download [23:43:26] URL Title: Download – Gobby [23:43:37] if the core of this is done right, development will never stop heading in the right direction [23:44:21] and maybe for once we will use the exponential function to our advantage :D [23:44:45] i agree with you kalken. And you are a very good and caring person with a big heart my friend. [23:45:23] actually i think that most of us are here for that reason [23:45:43] our [23:45:44] lukas: is it a secret with you and anne? [23:45:57] our [23:46:01] sorry :D [23:46:51] our consciousness tells us that somebody is got do something right soon, because otherwise things will not solve them selves [23:47:27] kalken: yes and WE are thoose somebody [23:47:42] sure i could invest this time in starting my own business, taking care of my own "house". But thats not going to make me sleep well at night [23:47:52] its all about ACTION [23:48:00] everything else is just bs [23:48:01] yes :) [23:48:02] :P [23:48:49] simon, no, but we don't find talking about our private relation relevant in any way for our project [23:48:54] and i dont have time to go around the internet telling everybody who dont think as i do that they are wrong :D [23:49:31] Simon oooooooooooo [23:49:47] lukas its relevant becouse i would love to get to know you [23:49:52] more deeply [23:50:00] Billll7: !! haxxor [23:50:11] The best haxxor in the haxxworld [23:50:18] whats up? [23:50:18] no way [23:50:19] lol [23:50:24] it's good [23:50:27] was at a buffet [23:50:31] You only have to stare at him and youre hacked. [23:50:37] let me present to you..... [23:50:41] BILL THE THRILL! [23:50:47] lol [23:51:00] i see [23:51:03] Simon how are you? [23:51:06] so youre full? [23:51:12] Simon yes [23:51:15] lol [23:51:36] im very much fine thank you. I have to sleep soon but would rather stay here and chat [23:52:01] ah ok [23:52:12] And you Billll7 still working for the gov? [23:52:14] :) [23:52:19] nope [23:52:25] I'm in medical school [23:52:35] wow [23:52:39] how is it? [23:52:43] sucks [23:52:44] tell me everything! [23:52:50] why? [23:53:01] *** Joins: Fodi69|2 (Fodi69@RBOSE-vuujle.pool.t-online.hu) [23:53:04] it's long and boring but I like seeing patients [23:53:13] you like people. you should become a great doc [23:53:25] you mean girls? [23:53:34] Simon I come from a engineering background so I had to catch up on 4 years of biology [23:53:43] ;D [23:54:07] I bet you will revolutionize the medical industry [23:54:21] i think we need to coordinate things in gobby to get this party started. [23:54:25] *** Quits: Fodi69|2 (Fodi69@RBOSE-vuujle.pool.t-online.hu) (Quit: ) [23:54:26] they were not ok with me and my engineering background that lacked a lot of biology but I'm top in my class so far [23:54:56] thats great to hear Billll7 ! Im glad for you. [23:55:08] How many years you got left? [23:55:24] kalken: what's the purpose? [23:55:45] getting alternatives on places, and thought about getting access to resources? [23:55:48] not braging but I get a lot of flack from doctors who ask "so where you did you do your premed" I answer back"I never did premed I have a ba in engineering", then they say "o wow, how'd you get into medical school?" [23:55:50] lol [23:55:59] Simon I have two years left [23:56:10] simon: and maybe even start figuring out what people will "sign" up for when they join [23:57:26] i see a big problem with keeping it completely open for anyone to join, as i said before. Because most peoples values goes against most of the things that will make this place the best place on earth :D [23:57:27] Billll7:haha [23:57:42] awesome as always [23:58:21] Openness is not always necessary [23:58:31] you always have to count on choice [23:58:49] and privateness [23:59:06] yes, openness about knowledge is one thing, direct access to resources is a bit trickier [23:59:29] atleast if ppl start hamstering as they are used to :D