[00:00:15] it like talking with total no-doers and just whiners, no help, no contribution, that whining for _rights_ to spam others [00:00:31] it like talking with total no-doers and just whiners, no help, no contribution, that whining for _rights_ to spam others8 [00:00:46] yeah lukas [00:00:51] they do that again and again [00:00:51] WORD lukas [00:00:55] i heard that vtv &co say [00:01:08] with freedom comes responsability, [00:01:39] this is a freedom place that some of urs are providing for the rest of you. [00:02:04] i can see no freedom as long as people are treated that way [00:02:11] we say "Here, take it, it's free# not "Here com and fuck us up our asses" [00:02:13] mkay? [00:02:26] I find if intriguing. What counts as do-nothing? [00:02:46] not contributing to any project is do-nothing [00:03:00] just don't get how it makes everybody pissed, we have been tolerating this crap for a year, since the moment we wanted to give up with this shit, if you look for other advertisement boys, you are in wrong place [00:03:44] lukas: i totally respect your right to not listen to movement stuff, as i respect the right of others to talk about exactly that stuff [00:03:57] pax they talk only about that [00:04:05] thats not free talk [00:04:10] pax, sure, there are other places for that [00:04:14] we started this place in order to find solutions to this, not to suppress one side or another [00:04:32] sorry, thats exactly pj's line of argument [00:04:34] prolonging this pointless argue is a good exaple ov very unproductive activity, wich always will inevitablyu end up in beeing counter-productive instead. [00:04:58] I think getting angry at the wrong behaviour is counter-productive and it takes more energy than just overlooking. [00:05:05] Also, the bottom line seems to be. [00:05:09] Get people involved in projects! :) [00:05:23] I like working toward things, not against things. [00:05:28] as it takes focus off of the constructive and productive projects we are working on [00:05:33] they don't get what means foss project oriented focus, that there are places to freely work on something one likes, it doesn't mean they are free to spam everybody, they don't respect that others don't want this shit [00:05:55] worst than any religious group [00:06:03] empower those others to ignore things they dislike, dont shut down the speaker [00:06:07] if people would talk more about projects and productive things, and this wouldnt be so much talk about zmcrap in this channel, then we probably would have no kick for that... its just somewhere after a year of tolerating this shit its a point to say ok WE ARE TIRED [00:06:15] i never seen such spamming from religious people even [00:06:53] right, so talk towards actual sollutions here, not tinfoilhat totalitarian outdated crap. [00:07:06] I've never cared about either the people who spam in here, or people who talk about counter-productive things. [00:07:09] Antilect, you can get involved yourself in projects. No body here will force anybody to do that. [00:07:16] lukas, I know :) [00:07:27] It should be encouraged by warmth, not by whip :D [00:07:38] And people who wish to waste their time whining and such. [00:07:40] Let them do that. [00:07:47] I just never listen to them. [00:07:48] you do that, take mirror [00:07:49] but not spam here [00:08:03] Viper, are you serveradmin? [00:08:16] Maybe you could make two channels when people join. [00:08:33] I want to put it this way: some guys come here, and having their assumptions that there must be only one solution, that they must force everyone to "switch" at once, they need to control everything, ...based on that they think that everybody is about total hegemony, but we are not, we are one project out of hundreds of thousands there, there is place for everything, but they just see the world through prism of ultimate domination, they know that with their [00:08:34] system there will be no place for disagreement, and they know the global ban awaits for them, so they get pissed with this limited perspective that other people don't want to get zvangelized all over the unholy Internet [00:08:34] Antilect maybe people that talk about crap should go to other network? [00:08:35] one for spam and one for projects talk? [00:08:38] lol [00:09:03] One channel where you can talk about anything and waste your time (with a pun in topic to show that it's not desired), and one channel for serious discussions and to welcome people to our friendly umbrella of intellectual people? :) [00:09:15] Antilect you have tons of irc network for that [00:09:53] Antilect maybe we should make a #porn channel too? [00:10:00] we tried to ignore that, but we get here a lot of nice people specialist from permaculture, we get architects who want to help, people building powerplants, few scientists, good artists, they all post about us, and the after a short moment they are like "wtf is this about? why these people talk about such stuff and not about projects?" and i got ivited to international conference to talk about our project, but haven't decided yet to go there, because of this [00:10:01] stuff, we look like clowns often because 50% of stuff in main channel was related to this topic and not any project, these guys are only interested in advertising and they hope they can stay consumers who just want new shiny shit for free, and that somebody will build the future for them [00:10:16] yeah. [00:10:22] That I agree with. [00:10:34] People create representations of RBOSE based on their experience when they come here :) [00:10:40] Did you see my solution? [00:10:56] Topic: "RBOSE is not an organization. We're all individuals, mind your manners and language for it reflects back only upon you, not RBOSE." [00:10:57] why don't we just let a trigger move the person to #offtopic ^^ [00:11:01] Yeah. [00:11:03] That's great! [00:11:11] viper: what about a trigger like ;ignore "movement" "shit" "whatever", so everyone can decide on what he likes to see and what not? [00:11:13] A bot that encourages :) [00:11:41] pax why crap lovers dont go to other network and keep it there? [00:12:02] Antilect, we are a project and i know you would like to be free as well to advertise your proprietary crap which restricts freedom of other people [00:12:04] why restrict freedom? why have rules? [00:12:04] One thing is working on projects. Another aspect of rbose is coming up with ideas. Another is just caring and catering the level of discussion and veracity of claims :) [00:12:20] pax that crap take freedom [00:12:23] lukas, sorry I don't understand your english. [00:12:31] people are like in cages talk about that and nothing els [00:12:46] hm well if some1 likes to talk about this zmcrap, please use another network, or join #fukk_tzm for now [00:13:01] sorry, that is exactly the notion i could not accept with tzm and will not here [00:13:01] *** pax was kicked by RBOSE (Sorry, but we are tired of "tzm" on this channel.) [00:13:06] I'm calm, gentle, even humble. Like a monk. I wish to restrict none, and focus on creation of a good atmosphere everywhere I go. [00:13:08] That's my goal. [00:13:13] It's like an invisible project I have. [00:13:23] if some1 wants to talk about windows and proprietary software, please use another network... and do NOT create a channel for that [00:13:26] One that cannot be measured in code for instance. Making people feel at home :) [00:13:49] :D [00:13:56] That does not create friends, but at least it creates enemies :) [00:14:35] Antilect, you are the only guy here heavily spamming us with this shit [00:15:12] Antilect is it ok i go to your home and bring some shit with me? lol [00:15:17] lukas, I'm sorry you feel that way. And unlike you, i'm not prepared to loose our friendship over such an issue. [00:15:22] I value everyone in RBOSE too much. [00:15:28] So I guess I'll just shut up then. [00:17:01] Words are not enough, this platform has been created to let the development speak for itself. [00:18:05] A good train of thought. [00:18:28] Irony: when we ask for help, those folks even not help with simple testing. But they spam like crazy. [00:19:28] Why people dont spam about reprap? [00:19:35] Did you see new reprap? haha [00:19:38] shit in your home in another words, stick on the doors a sentence "my home is for cult, be free" [00:20:14] Yeah, seriously, a for those organisations, do. We are having dialogue with RepRap developers, Free Software Foundation (!!!) Auroville, Transition Towns, OSE, and various other groups, we are attracting developers, and we still keep seeing this topics every sigle fucking day, and it's sooooo fucking depressing to have that shit spammed continuously [00:21:13] Antilect did you see Wolfstrap? [00:21:18] Viper, yes. [00:21:24] cool :D [00:21:28] ^^ [00:21:31] Viper: i'm building one... [00:21:37] nice :D [00:21:43] jeah, with kman [00:21:55] but let's say, loosely interpreted. [00:21:57] hehe [00:21:57] How do you add quotes? [00:21:57] Make some pic's [00:22:14] Antilect ,list quotes [00:22:26] we used what we have at hand, so it'll be a bit sturdier with a bigger print surface.. [00:22:27] ,add quote <--? [00:22:36] ,list quotes [00:22:36] Viper: Error: 'quotes' is not a valid plugin. [00:22:44] umm [00:22:48] ,list [00:22:48] Viper: Acronym, Action, Admin, Alias, Anonymous, Channel, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Feeds, Filter, Games, Google, Karma, Lmgtfy, Math, MeetBot, Misc, Mumble, Nickometer, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, Scheduler, Seen, Services, Status, String, Test, Time, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, WOTD, Web, Welcome, and Youtube [00:22:56] we thought it'd be nice to print barebone laptop chassies or sumthin' =P [00:22:58] ,list quote [00:22:58] Viper: add, change, get, random, remove, search, and stats [00:23:01] ,help quote add [00:23:01] lukas: (quote add [] ) -- Adds to the quote database for . is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. [00:25:32] Can we add a script so that everytime someone uses one of our non-desired words it says "Please remember. Don't waste your limited life-time critisizing or complaining. Instead, work on solutions and projects that don't burden your peers in this world." :D [00:26:02] umm [00:26:06] yes there is already something like that [00:26:09] it can be then ignored, that is why kick is there [00:26:13] yep [00:26:13] Yeah. [00:26:17] We can add kick aswell :) [00:26:21] I mean, it's just to hint. [00:26:25] ,quote add #RBOSE "The future is disorder. An opportunity like this has presented itself five or six times since we got up on our hind legs. It is the best possible time to be alive, when almost everything you thought you knew, is wrong." [00:26:25] Caly: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). [00:26:27] Sorry, but we are tired of "xxx" on this channel. [00:26:30] thats very clear [00:26:33] Also others who join see the "attitude" and "philosophy" behind such a kick. [00:26:34] Right? [00:26:37] btw, nobody said to you that you are not free to pray to your crappy idols, just take this outside of this project and stop your followers crusade [00:26:40] Now the kick is more anger than guiding :) [00:27:17] a kick is not a ban [00:27:22] should b clear [00:27:29] a kick is harsh [00:27:41] are you pussys afraid of kick? [00:27:42] my idea is we tell them how we feel, it can be automated [00:27:46] Antilect, you haven't seen irritation yet, we used the kick to not shout and fight with people, as you see above [00:27:48] the talk about this was for me personalyl much "harsher" [00:27:50] why do you have to call us pussies x) [00:27:57] yes DNS [00:28:02] but there are other ways [00:28:16] lukas, btw I've never had any idols. [00:28:17] so you can create new way as we said before [00:28:22] LOL [00:28:30] if you want to spend time to develop a c module or rewrite the source code of anope services, please do [00:28:40] Except for maybe Yoko Kanno and Carl Sagan :) [00:28:52] lol [00:29:24] ohh i got kicked lol [00:29:48] I just realized something. [00:29:55] right, what's the fuss, it's just a fkn kick. [00:29:59] what other ways Fat64? people say there are "other ways" but we hear only things which we tried already - for last 360 days, few time a day, fukking spammers... [00:30:00] The reason people write in this channel is probably to address everyone. [00:30:14] lukas, we should add a kick for curses :) [00:30:34] there is kick for flood. Why none complain about that? [00:30:35] lukas: what have you tried? My idea was that we give people content automated 5Please realize that people feel really bad when you discuss this topic. See these documents: [00:30:41] but kick for spamm is ok??? [00:30:47] x) [00:30:54] sometimes there will be people wandering in here.. and [00:30:57] we give them a kick? [00:31:01] Yes [00:31:01] I know. [00:31:04] I think we can come up with a better idea. [00:31:06] That's my view. [00:31:22] ok this talking go nowhere [00:31:30] you have a problme make new tool we will use it [00:31:49] no, curses normally does not upsat a larger part of the community, cult-talk does. ' [00:32:04] and now you're just ranting on about how all that mentions the word MUST be a cultist [00:32:09] let's not generalize too much Caly [00:32:18] FUCK YOU [00:32:20] that spam is a cult spam crap [00:32:21] .0 [00:32:26] Fat64, I guess you have there some right, but how many hours we need to spend on writing that :( They just don't respect that other people have enough. Brainwashed followers. [00:32:28] Viper: so when a newcommer comes here.. [00:32:31] that must be a spammer? [00:32:33] by definition? [00:32:49] lukas: we do it once. and it's automated. DONE :) [00:32:52] Fat64 if new guy join to spam about crap he can leave [00:32:56] i dont need them here [00:32:57] and we can focus on something else [00:33:37] I believe you guys are blinded by your rage :/ [00:33:47] *** Quits: Absalom (absalom@rbose.org) (A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.) [00:33:48] you dont like kick make new tool. How many times i need to say that???? [00:33:50] some are just curious. [00:33:56] when one or more people on a regular basis keeps bringign up subjects in a promoting manner that is agains our disclaimer, it is spamming. [00:34:01] simple as that [00:34:24] I love it how everyone is so fast to jump upon the rage-tank. [00:34:25] Caly, I think Fat64 really want to help with it, i never seen him advocating this crap. It's just we get really pissed, and people haven't seen that and thought, yeah, kick is so bad idea.... [00:34:32] according to you it's as simple as that, I don't believe we win new people by thinking like that [00:34:50] I want a caring environment. [00:34:53] Does people really have to be 100% rbose to be here? [00:34:54] Fat64 more is not always better [00:35:00] Viper: fine [00:35:05] What about the 30%ers, and the 80%ers and so on? [00:35:18] Or maybe that's another discussion. [00:35:30] I have a really bad feeling about this place right now [00:35:43] Solutions are bountiful, but where there are strong opinions, there are few solutions. [00:35:48] ~Carl Sagan [00:35:50] Fat64 look at that cult. They got much more people [00:35:51] just because of zmkicks, Fat64? [00:35:52] Antilect, as i said you are free to pray to whatever you want, but this is not church. Go and find one, and come here to work on not related to it stuff. [00:36:14] because of the way this is being executed [00:36:30] Fat64: please be a bit more specific [00:36:34] Viper: that's not statistics. [00:36:35] Fat64 if you have better idea make it work we will use it [00:37:11] they still don't keep dragging their other shit onto here, wearther it's zeitcult or sharia law or gangster rap or C# programmig or Monsanto. [00:37:12] I have an idea! I just don't have the time to sit down and study the entire code of supybot and make all these alterations right now, I have lots of things going on in my life :) I am suggesting ideas because I can. [00:37:23] its easy to say this is wrong. Build make something new then talk [00:37:33] but I wanted you guys to give me critique on the idea :P [00:38:03] so if you dont like kick build something new or STFU [00:38:04] -|UFO|- fat64 has joined on FREENODE [00:38:07] [00:35:43] Solutions are bountiful, but where there are strong opinions, there are few solutions. <--- where there are only few working on solutions, and few people who just whine a lot, situation look bad, but in fact the whiners not capable of building anything due to mindset just sabotage work of others. [00:38:08] Fat64: i agree that kick is not the optimal solution forever, but for now it seems to be the best [00:38:13] -|UFO|- fat64 has left on FREENODE [00:38:18] it would be much easier if the regulars here lerat to keep that shit to them selves, or in private rooms or other networks. [00:38:27] *learned [00:38:30] lukas, sure hehe. [00:39:04] DNS: I don't get it, people wants to leave because of the kickfunction x) how is it the best [00:39:11] lukas, I hear you. I have never intentionally sabotaged anything, except x-mas at my familly. [00:39:23] but yeah, for the core developers here I think it is the best. you guys seems to enjoy it [00:39:56] lol Antilect :D [00:40:05] Viper, sad truth. [00:40:09] ;) [00:40:09] Antilect: Error: ")" is not a valid command. [00:40:14] devbot, 3 [00:40:14] Antilect: Error: "3" is not a valid command. [00:40:48] Fat64 some devs where planning to leave because of this crap [00:41:09] Fat64: the counterpoductiveness od the zeitcult promoters wich is the same ones crying about leaving, is no loss, we're more productive without them. [00:41:10] Fat64, I know i will leave when this crap will be around. And I think it might go for others. We year ago setup this project to get rid of it, but the advertisement army is the biggest spam legion out there. [00:41:19] Fat64 i am not sure if any dev stay with this crap going on here [00:41:21] every day [00:41:44] Who are these individuals that anger you so? [00:41:47] Say their names. [00:41:48] EVERY fkn damn day... [00:41:56] i will leave for sure [00:41:58] WORD Caly! [00:42:01] every day i get spammed with this crap [00:42:17] we could change "name"? :) [00:42:24] so we wont' be affiliated with them [00:42:27] Yeah. [00:42:32] Fat64 change name wont change anything [00:42:37] you sure? [00:42:44] spammers will finde you [00:42:51] Jim Rohn said it well. [00:43:45] Fat64 the name is not the problem. Spammers that bring this topic every day again and again [00:44:02] I second that [00:44:07] You like to talk about crap go to pj cult group or go to CS [00:44:13] not here [00:44:14] RBOSE is the network that broke out of . [00:44:15] "When the wise farmer is planting his seeds he knows of a few simple things. The crows will get their share, yet he still keeps sowing. Because, the moment you start chasing crows... You leave the field..." [00:44:18] if we change name, it's not the same [00:44:51] [00:44] RBOSE is the network that broke out of . No [00:44:52] there will be no fkn namechange [00:44:59] Viper: that's how people see it [00:45:07] they see it wrong [00:45:09] and? [00:45:11] Caly: you love to swear [00:45:18] Viper: YES but that's not important x) [00:45:25] that's how it is. [00:45:28] I dont care how people see it [00:45:29] it's PJ semantics, and we don't speak moron in here. [00:45:32] ok [00:45:39] this is a fantastic discussion [00:45:40] we speak open development, It was a fork. [00:46:15] Fat64 people see rbose as part of that cult [00:46:25] or part of rbe [00:46:38] You can bet yor ass i fkn love to swaer, dammit [00:46:44] Do you guys read Why What How???? [00:46:50] The moment people start branding each other with misrepresentations, the intellectual growth decays :] [00:46:51] *spicy* [00:46:59] Fat64, people advocating this crap are trying to say they are part of the project, they are here, and they will spam even if we change name. [00:47:24] But who is advocating that stuff in here? [00:47:34] Antilect, you [00:47:36] Antilect you are one of them [00:47:39] No way. [00:47:42] lol [00:47:42] Yes [00:47:44] lol [00:47:45] That's just ridiculous! [00:47:56] You defend spammers [00:48:04] As I said. [00:48:13] I walked in, and it feels like I've just missed a big battle. [00:48:24] Of wich I wanted no part in, but get the blame for :) [00:48:29] So no. [00:48:39] http://www.communitysolution.org/ [00:48:41] URL Title: Community Solutions [00:48:47] did you see this folks? [00:49:24] haha [00:49:31] nuke USA lol [00:49:33] joke [00:49:50] Or maybe, I'm the only one who "is part of this death cult anti open-source sect" that you speak about :D [00:49:53] Then I have to wonder. [00:50:12] I am coding! [00:50:13] you start to get it [00:50:17] pseudocode ftw [00:50:31] Fat64: :) [00:50:32] yeah, well, acctually nuking america would have a green effect even including the radiation hazards [00:50:39] lol, they spew soo much shit [00:50:43] haha [00:51:22] the firstpage is weird x) it just complains about how us fucks shit up [00:51:24] but sure [00:51:55] hehe [00:52:32] btw did you guys see debian squeeze stable is released? http://debian.org [00:52:33] URL Title: Debian -- The Universal Operating System [00:52:43] (: [00:52:51] q: [00:53:14] ,pillow Antilect [00:53:14] * rBOTse quickly throws a pillow in the face of Antilect [00:53:18] * Antilect needs it. [00:53:19] ahaaa [00:53:26] Lukas thinks I'm a sect leader X) [00:53:26] !pillow all [00:53:27] maybe that's why all my repos was foobared today DNS. [00:53:28] ACTION starts a pillow fight in #RBOSE, and throws a pillow in everbodys face [00:53:32] lol Antilect [00:53:35] !hug all [00:53:36] * Antilect sends his minions on lukas. [00:53:36] ACTION expands her arms and hugs the whole #RBOSE :D [00:53:39] port80.se and sunet.se was *404* [00:53:43] <3 [00:53:45] Antilect, just a follower and orator [00:53:51] I follow lukas order 100% [00:53:51] lukas, you are santa clause! [00:53:57] lol Fat64 [00:53:58] he sends text messages to my brain every night [00:54:03] looool [00:54:04] you wouldnt believe the shit I do [00:54:08] hahahah [00:54:17] `fortune [00:54:17] <|UFO|> Viper: The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and the lightning bug. -- Mark Twain [00:54:37] huh [00:54:38] .fat64 cook.tea [00:54:43] Thanks Antilect, i try my work speak for me :) Must be because of the free development i contribute to. [00:54:51] * Fat64 drinks tea :> green cozy tea. [00:54:55] hehe [00:54:56] listening to chinese relaxing music [00:55:04] ok i need some tea too :D [00:55:06] brb [00:55:10] http://wiki.yuri.se/index.php/RBOSE [00:55:11] URL Title: RBOSE - Wohnzimmer [00:55:11] CODE IS DONE [00:55:23] Wohnzimmer? [00:55:25] hehe [00:55:48] it's for our flat LEBENSRAUM, yes we're geeks and we name everything xT [00:56:02] wo0t [00:56:12] you have a wiki runnin [00:56:19] wo00000000000t [00:56:19] always [00:56:21] lol [00:56:22] it's my proxybrain. [00:56:25] :D [00:56:27] :) [00:56:36] you can write whatever you want on it [00:56:36] "Let others lead small lives, but not you. Let others argue over small things, but not you. Let others cry over small hurts, but not you. Let others leave their future in someone else's hands, but not you." Jim Rohn :) [00:57:02] who's Jim Rohn? [00:57:12] !w jim rohn [00:57:14] no way, no such channel like that Fat64 :D it's like shitting in your dinner plate or putting a time bomb in own basement [00:57:14] Jim Rohn | Jim Rohn (September 17, 1930 - December 5, 2009) was an American entrepreneur, author and motivational speaker. His rags to riches story played a large part in his work, which influenced others in the personal development industry. @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Rohn [00:57:24] A motivational speaker :) [00:57:29] <3 [00:57:48] lukas: :) it's editable [00:57:53] ok :) [00:57:59] thx [01:00:56] Fat64 wiki page about that crap? [01:00:59] lol [01:01:07] if we get wikis like that i am out [01:01:10] ? :/ [01:01:14] !poke Viper [01:01:14] ACTION pokes Viper in #RBOSE a bit with a TCL script [01:01:20] you guys told me.. Code or GTFO [01:01:22] or STFU* [01:01:33] x( [01:01:56] Fat64 that is not solution [01:02:04] making crap wiki page [01:02:09] Viper, can be an other page, not indexed [01:02:15] The Idea is to keep it outside [01:02:26] then talk to me, criticize the idea. [01:02:31] not make wiki pages channels and i dont know what els [01:02:35] don't tell me "CODE THE BEST SOLUTION EVERYONE WILL LIKE" [01:02:38] "OR STFU" [01:02:40] no need for putting this smell in wiki, but we can use other page simply [01:02:45] I want feedback :) [01:02:57] Fat64, :D [01:03:27] Fat64 ok when you are done show it in #test :D [01:04:55] Guys ANy one have idea how user profile page should look? [01:06:30] the question is 1st for me what should the profile page should be linked to [01:06:46] the content [01:07:03] maybe module like you can add stuff [01:07:06] hehe [01:07:10] umm [01:07:53] http://www.webcaston.com/GHTYTYTY [01:07:54] URL Title: Watch the live streaming of GHTYTYTY [01:07:56] touch down [01:07:56] a mean diff modules you can choose from [01:08:12] where is your guys NFL spirit [01:08:22] you PLAY to WIN THE GAME [01:08:22] or create own and summit to database [01:08:31] aha [01:08:31] 0_o [01:09:25]