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[04:38:45] *** Joins: idk (idk@RBOSE-k3nhbi.bb.online.no) [05:10:11] !morning all [05:10:12] ACTION wishes everybody in #RBOSE a wonderful morning and a great start in the day! [05:12:33] *** Quits: Caly (quassel@RBOSE-2e4719.bredband.skanova.com) (A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.) [05:12:35] -|UFO|- Caly has quit FREENODE (Remote host closed the connection) [06:20:38] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-3na.e1m.31.41.IP) [06:20:47] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-3na.e1m.31.41.IP) (Connection closed) [06:21:10] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-3na.e1m.31.41.IP) [07:09:12] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-3na.e1m.31.41.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [08:25:53] *** Joins: Kebap23 (Max@RBOSE-cj24d2.adsl.alicedsl.de) [08:26:10] -|UFO|- Kebap23 has joined on FREENODE [08:36:45] *** Joins: idk_ (idk@RBOSE-k3nhbi.bb.online.no) [08:50:14] *** Quits: DNS777 (DNS777@NetAdmin.RBOSE) (A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.) [09:09:51] *** Quits: traph (traph@RBOSE-n3h.o6s.10.46.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [09:10:25] *** Joins: traph (traph@RBOSE-dmtj9p.btc-net.bg) [09:10:31] *** Joins: Absalom (Absalom@RBOSE-fb2tr7.lavasoft.net) [09:40:39] http://www.reddit.com/r/Gift_Culture/ [09:40:41] URL Title: Gift Culture & Gift Economy [09:43:09] http://www.freeebay.net/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=712 [09:43:11] URL Title: FreeeBay - Gift Culture and Gift Economy - Beta 1.03 - Sharing Economies [10:19:59] *** Quits: kman (erik@RBOSE-t6qvlm.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [10:55:11] *** Joins: kman (kman@RBOSE-cvmmnp.student.uu.se) [11:05:35] Hi folks [11:06:30] !morning Viper [11:06:31] ACTION wishes Viper a Good Morning :-) (And not only because lukas requested that) [11:07:02] !hammer Viper [11:07:03] ACTION slaps Viper with a big |-| /-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ of hard informations (Only because lukas requested that.) [11:07:20] for equilibrium that you got up so late ;P [11:08:49] lol [11:11:02] lol [11:37:34] *** Joins: Antilect (Antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) [11:38:33] lukas, Viper: check that freebay article whey you have the time :) [11:39:45] kalken, i was going to do exactly that! finished with codding for a moment :D [11:39:51] and thanks! [11:40:04] ok thanks kalken :) [11:42:17] between the lines i think he gives the perspective, that gift/direct trade economies can coexist, but from an RBOSE perspective it might be relevant to make "trade"-economy obsolete by making gift economy work in more and more places :) [11:43:10] if one thinks about it, that is basically how open source utilizes the "trade"-economy in a way. (e.g lots of free and open source software is developed by someone getting paid today) [11:44:56] another aspect is that trying to leave the "trade"-economy completely at once will probably be hard, because one still have to buy certain resources today (e.g computers etc) [11:46:35] still its clear to me that we (as human beings), have to make the trade-economy obsolete at some point, because it stops people from sharing knowledge/resources with others in the most efficient way [11:47:49] it becomes really clear when one thinks about it this way. Because the person who has most "money" probably need least resources, and the person who has little money probably need more resources :) [11:47:55] *** Joins: LookAround (qwebirc@RBOSE-ueq.uhl.228.195.IP) [11:48:23] yeah [11:52:37] and personally, i can't even share the resources i want today, because to some point i still need to be able to pay rent/buy food/resources etc. When that need for "trading" becomes less relevant, people who want can share more and more with others, without actually "sacrificing" anything. [11:53:38] that for me will be the big "change" in thinking. [11:55:28] word :) [11:56:43] *** Quits: LookAround (qwebirc@RBOSE-ueq.uhl.228.195.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [12:30:58] kalken, freebay article? [12:36:03] kman, I'm still reading too, there you go: http://www.freeebay.net/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=712 [12:36:04] URL Title: FreeeBay - Gift Culture and Gift Economy - Beta 1.03 - Sharing Economies [12:41:54] *** Quits: kman (kman@RBOSE-cvmmnp.student.uu.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [12:49:15] kalken, nice points there [12:50:48] yes i think it was an interesting read [12:51:41] so far seems we should take example from AA, and be careful about money cause this is just psychopathic and not caring, ...and "private science" i a bitch, not a science anymore, but reading further.... [12:52:07] :) [12:57:23] i agree. There is a big differens in optimizing money gain, and optimizing getting rid of money (by making it obsolete). Thus, sometimes one has to do a little of both. [13:02:48] lukas: one thing i thought was interesting was his examples of how "paying off" someone one knows (a neighbour for example) can have the opposite effect (and almost be offensive) :) [13:03:25] For example: “I need to talk to someone. Can I give you $200 for an hour- long session?” [13:03:53] thats so LOL, but still thats basically what a shrink does everyday [13:04:21] gets even more ironic when one thinks about that the "shrink" is the one that is supposed to fixs peoples minds [13:05:18] i need to try doing this with a friend to see how they react :D [13:05:57] "hello, it was a long time since we talked on the phone. You got half an hour? i'll pay you 20 bucks" [13:07:17] don't tell me even, my wife is a psychotherapist. I could say a lot about this. But this time i will say only this: friendship in today society sux, therefore people simply pay to get support [13:07:48] yes. we are all cought up in the net of this to some point. [13:07:57] question is how do we get out of it :D [13:07:59] and yes, i experienced exactly that what he wrote there about neighbors, being some time on one side, other time on the opposite, i would call that mistakes for sure, but we learn by mistakes [13:09:53] i agree. I would never do business with friends. I rather not do business at all, but thats not possible yet [13:10:45] *** Joins: kman (kman@RBOSE-cvmmnp.student.uu.se) [13:12:37] yeah... and that reminds me the relations i quited because of money, some of my former friends were putting and offering money for everything, i started to see that a bit sick, offensive for other people [13:14:18] haha, working as a consult for a few years, i can not agree with you more. And when one sees it for what it really is, and understand how people always "optimize" things. Its pretty clear that this is not healthy for any part. [13:17:35] *consultant [13:32:56] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-dt7.i3b.27.41.IP) [13:33:04] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-dt7.i3b.27.41.IP) (Connection closed) [13:33:27] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-dt7.i3b.27.41.IP) [13:37:36] *** Quits: kman (kman@RBOSE-cvmmnp.student.uu.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [13:41:17] *** Joins: Fodi69 (Fodi69@RBOSE-p0v4jl.ip.adsl.hu) [13:57:40] "So even if you believe that proprietary firms can hire the very best programmers, an open-source project (with a wider diversity of coders) could easily outperform the proprietary project." [14:03:27] kalken, there is one thing i really hate about business today: in business you find a formula, tries not let anybody else copy it, and you are payed over and over for the same, so your costs per unit can go down, but you simply love the fact people _have_a_problem_ which you can exploit, and make money out of it [14:03:47] but when it comes to gift it looks different [14:06:00] with gift in foss community, nobody usually wants to do over and over the same, you usually want to solve the problem once for all and for everybody, so nobody else will waste time, energy or other resources, so they can do other useful things [14:37:05] *** Quits: Sixth_Ape (sixth_ape@RBOSE-4qkpo2.mweb.co.za) (Connection closed) [14:44:11] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-dt7.i3b.27.41.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [14:48:09] lukas: yes. And in business there is a thin line between making money by solving problems, and making money by creating problem :) [14:48:37] and if one finds a way to "solve" a problem and make money out of that, it would basically be the end of the business if that problem was no longer a problem [14:49:10] *** Joins: Caly (quassel@RBOSE-2e4719.bredband.skanova.com) [14:49:24] -|UFO|- Caly has joined on FREENODE [14:49:25] -|UFO|- Caly has quit FREENODE (Changing host) [14:49:28] -|UFO|- Caly has joined on FREENODE [14:52:15] *** Quits: Fodi69 (Fodi69@RBOSE-p0v4jl.ip.adsl.hu) (Quit: ) [15:17:46] kalken, exactly [15:33:22] *** Joins: Diago_ (Diago@RBOSE-njq.nq9.84.186.IP) [15:54:20] http://www.freestatevoice.com.au/health/item/616-lemons-kill-cancer-insitute-of-health-sciences-baltimore-md [15:54:22] URL Title: LEMONS KILL CANCER. Insitute of Health Sciences, Baltimore, MD. [16:00:59] *** Joins: Fodi69 (Fodi69@RBOSE-p0v4jl.ip.adsl.hu) [16:01:16] *** Quits: Fodi69 (Fodi69@RBOSE-p0v4jl.ip.adsl.hu) (Quit: ) [16:03:55] Caly, i don't see any reference there, am i missing something? [16:06:32] nope, you're right [16:06:33] http://hsionline.com/ [16:06:34] URL Title: HSI - The Health Sciences Institute [16:08:08] seems to be some kind of business rather than a research facility [16:14:10] http://blog.ivman.com/wp-content/World4Americans.jpg [16:38:41] *** Joins: Sixth_Ape (sixth_ape@RBOSE-4qkpo2.mweb.co.za) [16:53:43] *** Joins: Kimsan (Kim@RBOSE-lrfah1.cust.tele2.se) [17:03:24] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-g3u.vos.26.41.IP) [17:03:33] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-g3u.vos.26.41.IP) (Connection closed) [17:03:56] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-g3u.vos.26.41.IP) [17:04:39] i'm listening to Jordan Maxwell here.. tha man seems dellusional enough.. xD [17:15:18] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-g3u.vos.26.41.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [17:28:22] http://blog.ivman.com/wp-content/World4Americans.jpg [17:28:23] Sn bullshit. [17:28:49] Att gruppera ett helt land och mrka dem som idioter gr emot varenda hrstr av knnedom i min kropp. [17:29:18] X) [17:32:27] *** Quits: Sixth_Ape (sixth_ape@RBOSE-4qkpo2.mweb.co.za) (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) [17:50:17] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivci5CZt-oM [17:50:18] You4Tube 2[Title] Towards a New Economic Model 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 0:09:04 2[Views] 193 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2011-02-04 2[Description] A new economic model is emerging more suited to the age of information and without money, buying or selling. The implementation and operation will not be driven top-down but bottom-up reflecting the inversion of power made possible by the Internet. Please read our whitepaper entitled: [18:06:39] *** Joins: lundburgerr-TZM (lundburgerr@RBOSE-h1sso7.cust.bredband2.com) [18:18:57] Hi folks! [18:26:31] ?? people [18:26:32] people: A social network diagram for RBOSE IRC, and a list of RBOSE contributors you can find here: http://rbose.org/wiki/People [18:37:54] *** Joins: Cyclo (Cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) [18:43:08] `fortune [18:43:08] <|UFO|> Viper: Q: Why did the WASP cross the road? A: To get to the middle. [18:43:13] `fortune [18:43:15] <|UFO|> Viper: You will stop at nothing to reach your objective, but only because your brakes are defective. [18:43:26] ,quote random [18:43:26] Viper: Quote #24: "The Internet is not a network of computers. It is a network of people. That is its real strength. ~ Rik van Riel" (added by dns at 11:33 PM, August 03, 2010) [18:43:35] ,quote random [18:43:35] Viper: Quote #30: "Creating your own blog is about as easy as creating your own urine, and you're about as likely to find someone else interested in it. ~ Hal Faber" (added by dns at 02:36 AM, August 04, 2010) [18:43:47] haha [18:43:48] ,quote random [18:43:49] Viper: Quote #57: "Honest pioneer work in the field of science has always been, and will continue to be, life's pilot. On all sides, life is surrounded by hostility. This puts us under an obligation. ~ Wilhelm Reich" (added by Kebap at 09:06 PM, August 04, 2010) [18:43:59] ,quote random [18:43:59] Viper: Quote #23: "Control over the use of one's ideas really constitutes control over other people's lives; and it is usually used to make their lives more difficult. ~ Richard Stallman" (added by dns at 11:01 PM, August 03, 2010) [19:01:36] *** Joins: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-iqqiau.cust.telenor.se) [19:06:40] *** Quits: Absalom (Absalom@RBOSE-fb2tr7.lavasoft.net) (Quit: Leaving) [19:34:54] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-9m3.k6f.30.41.IP) [19:38:37] *** Joins: iamme2 (iamme@RBOSE-0fk.a77.30.41.IP) [19:39:56] *** Quits: traph (traph@RBOSE-dmtj9p.btc-net.bg) (Connection closed) [19:42:58] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-9m3.k6f.30.41.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [19:47:50] *** Joins: traph (traph@RBOSE-dmtj9p.btc-net.bg) [20:24:19] *** Quits: iamme2 (iamme@RBOSE-0fk.a77.30.41.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [20:28:59] *** Joins: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-i97fcv.biz.rr.com) [21:12:52] *** Quits: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-iqqiau.cust.telenor.se) (Quit: Lmnar) [21:14:19] -|UFO|- tropology has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [21:20:01] -|UFO|- tropology has joined on FREENODE [21:54:16] -|UFO|- Kebap23 has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:57:34] *** Quits: Kebap23 (Max@RBOSE-cj24d2.adsl.alicedsl.de) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [21:57:45] *** Joins: Kebap23 (Max@RBOSE-1vg5mu.adsl.alicedsl.de) [21:59:59] -|UFO|- Kebap23 has joined on FREENODE [22:22:17] *** Quits: Cyclo (Cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) (Quit: Leaving) [22:55:58] -|UFO|- tropology has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [23:01:24] -|UFO|- tropology has joined on FREENODE [23:06:57] *** Joins: kman (erik@RBOSE-lvrkg1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [23:15:42] *** Joins: Joppos (ozmonatov@RBOSE-gd1hbg.priv.bahnhof.se) [23:18:19] *** Joins: anne (anne@RBOSE-vs3t9d.adsl.tpnet.pl) [23:18:44] Hi :) [23:25:45] *** Quits: Diago_ (Diago@RBOSE-njq.nq9.84.186.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [23:38:00] Hey anne! :) [23:38:50] hey Viper:) [23:45:14] *** Quits: lundburgerr-TZM (lundburgerr@RBOSE-h1sso7.cust.bredband2.com) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds)