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[00:55:30] Yes and no [00:55:35] naja [00:55:44] stupid democracy and politics [00:56:04] yeah man yeah [00:56:22] ähm [00:56:36] sure go on [00:57:04] its ollright [00:57:17] [00:57:21] life is life :) [00:57:30] cmon [00:57:35] men [00:58:03] cant believe this shit [00:58:25] http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1373841/e2ecd259/dumpert_demolitie.html [00:58:26] URL Title: www.dumpert.nl - Dumpert Demolitie [00:58:26] its your world [00:58:34] you can do it with plane much cheaper LOL [00:58:39] ! [01:00:05] ja [01:00:51] -|UFO|- tropology has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [01:01:11] almost there almost there [01:01:21] bang [01:05:29] -|UFO|- tropology has joined on FREENODE [01:07:36] *** Quits: duxck (martin@RBOSE-nsecvj) (pms.rbose.org fat64.rbose.org) [01:07:36] *** Quits: Joppos (ozmonatov@RBOSE-gd1hbg.priv.bahnhof.se) (pms.rbose.org fat64.rbose.org) [01:07:36] *** Quits: DNS (DNS777@localhost) (pms.rbose.org fat64.rbose.org) [01:07:36] *** Quits: lukas (lukas@NetAdmin.RBOSE) (pms.rbose.org fat64.rbose.org) [01:07:36] *** Quits: mutanton (mutanton@RBOSE-4l00an.bredband.comhem.se) (pms.rbose.org fat64.rbose.org) [01:07:36] *** Quits: rBOTse (rBOTse@RBOSE-gkfu2h) (pms.rbose.org fat64.rbose.org) [01:07:36] *** Quits: devbot (supybot@RBOSE-51bh0u.static.versatel.nl) (pms.rbose.org fat64.rbose.org) [01:08:11] *** Joins: duxck (martin@RBOSE-nsecvj) [01:08:11] *** Joins: mutanton (mutanton@RBOSE-4l00an.bredband.comhem.se) [01:08:11] *** Joins: DNS (DNS777@localhost) [01:08:11] *** Joins: rBOTse (rBOTse@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [01:08:11] *** Joins: devbot (supybot@RBOSE-51bh0u.static.versatel.nl) [01:08:11] *** Joins: Joppos (ozmonatov@RBOSE-gd1hbg.priv.bahnhof.se) [01:08:11] *** Joins: lukas (lukas@NetAdmin.RBOSE) [01:13:31] sry where se [01:13:50] again netsplit umm [01:14:07] netsplit? [01:14:23] wtf [01:14:27] yeah there was a netsplit in irc [01:14:30] wtff [01:14:46] äuhhehä [01:15:48] or so. is dns on board? [01:16:02] DNS !:D [01:16:21] ouh! [01:16:23] y0y0y0y0y0 [01:16:37] EEEEEEEEEEEEEyy [01:16:59] olbag [01:17:23] waterbag? [01:17:47] watewa [01:17:58] pffff [01:17:59] lol [01:18:14] runningred [01:18:30] so [01:18:52] [01:19:07] *** Joins: Skakke (qwebirc@RBOSE-irh1n7.os.ergo.no) [01:19:11] tandaradei [01:20:18] ne ? [01:20:31] tanx [01:27:37] kalken: is everybody an independent thinker? hard to see that [01:29:15] is some kind of way we all are, but we are all more or less manipulated by others [01:29:49] ah [01:31:12] everybody who's no men. ... 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[02:56:11] *** Quits: duxck (martin@RBOSE-nsecvj) (pms.rbose.org fat64.rbose.org) [02:56:11] *** Quits: Joppos (ozmonatov@RBOSE-gd1hbg.priv.bahnhof.se) (pms.rbose.org fat64.rbose.org) [02:56:11] *** Quits: DNS (DNS777@NetAdmin.RBOSE) (pms.rbose.org fat64.rbose.org) [02:56:11] *** Quits: lukas (lukas@NetAdmin.RBOSE) (pms.rbose.org fat64.rbose.org) [02:56:11] *** Quits: mutanton (mutanton@RBOSE-4l00an.bredband.comhem.se) (pms.rbose.org fat64.rbose.org) [02:56:11] *** Quits: rBOTse (rBOTse@RBOSE-gkfu2h) (pms.rbose.org fat64.rbose.org) [02:56:11] *** Quits: devbot (supybot@RBOSE-51bh0u.static.versatel.nl) (pms.rbose.org fat64.rbose.org) [02:56:23] *** Quits: Skakke (qwebirc@RBOSE-irh1n7.os.ergo.no) (Quit: Page closed) [02:58:10] *** Joins: duxck (martin@RBOSE-nsecvj) [02:58:10] *** Joins: mutanton (mutanton@RBOSE-4l00an.bredband.comhem.se) [02:58:10] *** Joins: rBOTse (rBOTse@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [02:58:10] *** Joins: devbot (supybot@RBOSE-51bh0u.static.versatel.nl) [02:58:10] *** Joins: Joppos (ozmonatov@RBOSE-gd1hbg.priv.bahnhof.se) [02:58:38] *** Joins: DNS (DNS777@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [02:58:54] *** Joins: lukas (lukas@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [03:11:58] *** Joins: casti (casti@RBOSE-j7levb.adsl.alicedsl.de) [03:14:24] whazzzup ? [03:14:56] i cant' almost believe [03:16:13] did you almost realize ya men ...dam ..can't man... it just can't the f... be man [03:17:55] but mayby it can.. it is.. that's the thing... dam... dam... [03:18:11] :P [03:18:40] *** Quits: duxck (martin@RBOSE-nsecvj) (pms.rbose.org fat64.rbose.org) [03:18:40] *** Quits: Joppos (ozmonatov@RBOSE-gd1hbg.priv.bahnhof.se) (pms.rbose.org fat64.rbose.org) [03:18:40] *** Quits: DNS (DNS777@NetAdmin.RBOSE) (pms.rbose.org fat64.rbose.org) [03:18:40] *** Quits: lukas (lukas@RBOSE-gkfu2h) (pms.rbose.org fat64.rbose.org) [03:18:40] *** Quits: rBOTse (rBOTse@RBOSE-gkfu2h) (pms.rbose.org fat64.rbose.org) [03:18:40] *** Quits: mutanton (mutanton@RBOSE-4l00an.bredband.comhem.se) (pms.rbose.org fat64.rbose.org) [03:18:40] *** Quits: devbot (supybot@RBOSE-51bh0u.static.versatel.nl) (pms.rbose.org fat64.rbose.org) [03:19:10] [03:19:22] na toll.. 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[03:43:11] good night folks [03:46:53] !night Viper [03:46:53] ACTION wishes Viper a Good Night. Sleep well :-) (If you wonder, DNS requested that) [04:12:37] *** Joins: fatboty (FatBoty@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [04:12:38] *** Parts: fatboty (FatBoty@part.time.dancer) [04:31:05] *** Quits: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-i97fcv.biz.rr.com) (Quit: Leaving.) [04:33:07] *** Quits: Caly (quassel@RBOSE-e6eskh.bredband.skanova.com) (A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.) [04:33:09] -|UFO|- Caly has quit FREENODE (Remote host closed the connection) [06:16:09] *** Joins: Sixth_Ape (sixth_ape@RBOSE-fj1b0o.mweb.co.za) [06:22:50] *** Quits: Sixth_Ape (sixth_ape@RBOSE-fj1b0o.mweb.co.za) (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) [06:40:35] como [06:41:41] comotion: yes. Everybody lives in their own reality because their reality is exactly what their mind think it is, based on what they have experienced so far... [06:43:14] and nobody knows everything another person is basing that reality on, which basically means that everybody is independent thinkers, even if they strive to belong to a group, a valueset etc :) [07:08:43] Development summary for last 24 hours: [07:08:44] 2 edits in the wiki http://rbose.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges [07:08:45] To stay updated in real time join #developers #mumble #news #pms and #wiki channels. To learn more about the news system go to http://rbose.org/wiki/News [07:10:44] http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/02/23/2153224/DARPA-Open-Sources-Military-Vehicle-Design [07:10:45] URL Title: DARPA Open-Sources Military Vehicle Design - Slashdot [07:10:47] lol [07:12:53] http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/02/23/1937211/eBook-Lending-Library-Launched [07:12:54] URL Title: eBook Lending Library Launched - Slashdot [07:13:36] great example to see how stupid many things is in our society. There is a value in keeping knowledge scarce, so one can only lend 5 books at a time :) [07:23:07] http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3925641/Ubuntu-Where-Did-the-Love-Go.htm [07:23:08] URL Title: Ubuntu: Where Did the Love Go? Datamation.com [07:25:40] morning :) [07:30:37] morning :) [07:35:52] i might just switch back to debian now :) [07:36:21] the new "boss" at ubuntu hq seems determined to make this business again [07:36:58] kalken, what do you mean by the last? [07:37:13] i'm thinking about switching as well [07:37:54] The idea that the changes are due to Jane Silber replacing Mark Shuttleworth as CEO is a tempting but incomplete explanation. [07:37:57] True, Silber is more business than FOSS oriented, and has emphasized projects like Ubuntu One, the cloud storage service, which is aimed more at corporate customers than individuals. [07:38:48] and what is happening with Shuttleworth? [07:39:09] lukas: have you read that article? [07:39:12] pretty good stuff [07:39:36] no, I just connected so i missed probably something [07:39:38] *** Quits: RBOSE (BotServ0@Research.Base.for.Open.Source.Environment) (shutting down) [07:39:45] One possible pressing reason for the change is that, so far as anyone outside the company can tell, after seven years, Canonical remains unprofitable. Any investors other than Shuttleworth may be understandably concerned for their investment, and this pressure is probably a growing influence on Canonical decision-making. [07:40:02] lukas: this one One possible pressing reason for the change is that, so far as anyone outside the company can tell, after seven years, Canonical remains unprofitable. Any investors other than Shuttleworth may be understandably concerned for their investment, and this pressure is probably a growing influence on Canonical decision-making. [07:40:33] sorry : http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/12068_3925641_1/Ubuntu-Where-Did-the-Love-Go.htm [07:40:34] URL Title: Ubuntu: Where Did the Love Go? Datamation.com [07:41:40] kalken, Shuttleworth may just be selling it, he did that Virgin Sign for 900 millions $ and I personally never expected more than business from this dude [07:42:20] hehe [07:43:20] the most profitable business out there is to create innovative companies and sell them [07:44:31] money has the ability to turn anything good to shit, so i would not be surprised [07:44:47] and that sux, because good work, which sometimes happens, often is sold to owners with monopolistic traditions [07:44:55] exactly [07:44:56] *** Joins: RBOSE (BotServ0@Research.Base.for.Open.Source.Environment) [07:45:09] i have seen it so many times by now. People need to make things profitable and start optimizing not what is good, but what gives profit [07:45:37] and the end result is something that is not benificial for all but a few :D [07:46:23] i love debian for that. Those guys really get it [07:46:32] it's not the ability, it's the direction, like entropy in physics shows the direction of time, money always turn something into shit in long run, never seen an exception [07:46:39] /msg cowserv mooh [07:46:42] just for a test [07:46:45] :x [07:46:58] lol [07:47:44] [07:47:37] [Notice] -cowserv- mo0h! [07:48:03] http://www.debian.org/intro/about#free [07:48:04] URL Title: Debian -- About Debian [07:51:03] that sux a bit: "Although Debian believes in free software, there are cases where people want or need to put non-free software on their machine. Whenever possible Debian will support this. There are even a growing number of packages whose sole job is to install non-free software into a Debian system." [07:52:09] i use some non free software to be able to communicate with people, looking at videos etc... I dont want to, but thats not always a choice [07:52:35] or better said, its a choice between not being able to, and use closed software... [07:54:26] but if flash returns to the dust heap of shitty software, i would be ok again most of the time :) [07:55:07] now adays i buy hardware because of the ability to use open source drivers [07:55:49] I don't use currently, other than drivers for GPU, otherwise i would never get enough motivated to write something to solve the problem, because it would be "not a such big problem", and people who use proprietary software and you want to communicate with them, are very slow in switching, if they want to ban themselves from communication with me, they are free :D [07:57:26] hehe true. sadly i dont always have that freedom at work :/ [07:57:27] i can point them to free (as in freedom) app that everybody can use and setup, and they cannot [07:57:47] can imagine kalken :( [08:01:09] -16°C here :( [08:06:18] much colder than "hell" xD [08:08:48] http://www.sott.net/articles/show/224851-I-Won-t-Pay-Movement-Spreads-Across-Greece [08:08:49] URL Title: 'I Won't Pay' Movement Spreads Across Greece -- Society's Child -- Sott.net [08:09:20] yes, very interesting things happening around the globe right now... [08:11:52] http://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/ [08:11:54] URL Title: Collapse of Civilization [08:15:51] kalken, i seen last month a us movie blaming poor people for crisis, also calling to hate Mexican immigrants and back people, and this happens over and over, the people in power want the most blame the victimized people, no word about the system = we don't have any problem, all is cool, no mistake and wrong decision ever has been made [08:18:20] hehe, yea. looking at it in a pure economical way, they are probably right. e.g its unemployment and too much poor people in one place that makes the system not work [08:19:06] but some say that is a good thing (that the current system stops functioning, before every resource we will ever need is turned into trash) [08:19:25] "crashing the system or trashing the planet, its a tough choice" [08:21:28] i think we will see more and more creative alternative solutions, once people can afford not to think only about them selves [08:23:25] thats why i would like to see some global system that makes it possible for people to easily share their resources [08:23:50] without damn direct trades and expectations to always get something back [08:25:01] and production that is based on need, instead of producing first, and then figure out who to sell it to :) [08:26:47] for that shift to happen, people need first to afford to be unemployed, because if production would be based on need, probably 90% (or something) of the production work would go away over night [08:28:04] if production also was on the basis that things are build to last, and build to be easy to upgrade, that number is probably higher than 90% [08:32:09] *** Quits: Kebap23 (Max@RBOSE-bcr9s9.adsl.alicedsl.de) (Quit: adios amigos) [08:32:11] -|UFO|- Kebap23 has quit FREENODE (Quit: adios amigos) [08:38:25] nice points :) [08:49:28] http://www.opensourcefood.com/ <--- iph0ne oriented and with PRO accounts, disgusting! [08:49:30] URL Title: Recipes, Food Photos & Discussion at Open Source Food [09:01:43] *** Quits: RBOSE (BotServ0@Research.Base.for.Open.Source.Environment) (shutting down) [09:01:55] *** Joins: RBOSE (BotServ0@Research.Base.for.Open.Source.Environment) [09:10:35] *** Quits: kman (erik@RBOSE-u24rnu.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [09:12:52] http://rbose.org/wiki/Automated_Cookbook <--- that could be a much better alternative! :D [09:12:53] URL Title: Automated Cookbook - RBOSE [09:13:50] *** Quits: RBOSE (BotServ0@Research.Base.for.Open.Source.Environment) (shutting down) [09:14:05] *** Joins: RBOSE (BotServ0@Research.Base.for.Open.Source.Environment) [09:30:47] *** Joins: kman (erik@RBOSE-u24rnu.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [09:31:24] *** Quits: kman (erik@RBOSE-u24rnu.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Connection closed) [09:31:26] *** Joins: kman (erik@RBOSE-u24rnu.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [09:38:41] Morning! [09:39:22] good morning kman :D [09:59:23] kalken: even if they do not have a single independent thought? [10:01:50] kalken: /me recommends definitely debian, and we use ubuntu a lot [10:03:57] kalken: when will people afford not to think only of themselves? [10:05:44] this potential global system of resource sharing should be more like an insurance, making sure that basic needs are met even if disaster, disability or disease strikes [10:06:32] comotion, have you seen this: http://rbose.org/wiki/Sandbox2 ? [10:06:34] URL Title: Sandbox2 - RBOSE [10:12:54] lukas: nope. will read [10:13:17] ah yes I have but it's moved from one page to the next [10:13:21] ok, part of it is exactly about what you wrote above [10:13:27] insurance... [10:13:43] but how will it work that's what I'm wondering [10:14:00] we too :) [10:14:04] today insurance is basically a farse, but noone can live withoout [10:15:09] indeed sometimes it's a crime not to have insurance [10:15:34] it's like bank accounts... living without at least one is very very difficult [10:16:47] self sufficiency for these needs is the type of insurance i'm thinking about, our parents somehow were tricked that there are good institutions which will take care about them, so they can be total ignorants when it comes to housing, water, food, energy, etc. [10:17:40] some still want to be ignorants and they demand to know nothing :| [10:17:52] because it's ...simple [10:27:08] self sufficiency for shelter, eats and warth is a start, but if we disregard ignorance for a moment not everyone has the skills strength or health to be self-sufficient [10:27:41] so we are talking about self-sufficient society [10:27:50] ... or culture.. [10:28:22] and culture demands a certain critical mass of kalken's independent thinkers to make it work [10:30:12] yeah, but if stuff is shared, it's probably the smallest amount of people possible [10:31:16] we should do the numbers on that one... [10:31:19] btw anyone going to GoOpen/FSCONS in Oslo? http://fscons.org/ http://www.goopen.no/program/ [10:31:19] for example to have 10 000 creators of something in the global scale, in country like Germany 117 creative people is enough, one for every 680 000 [10:31:20] URL Title: FSCONS 2010 | fscons.org [10:32:07] lukas: are you proposing global caps? [10:32:26] what that means? could you rephrase? [10:32:59] global capacity maximums on makers of $something? [10:33:29] no, absolutely NO [10:33:42] i was just throwing a number there [10:34:26] cause it struck me as not so dumb [10:34:36] however teh global hegemony is counterproductive [10:34:51] like for example if you would like to have access to 10 000 books, and for simplification let's assume one author makes one book in a lifetime, therefore 10 000 people would achieve that, and one probably never would be able to read it [10:36:30] I was speaking about _global_ in sense of working without being divided by national or other boundaries, exactly as we do today in the foss community. [10:36:37] the purpose being that there is more books than any one person could read? [10:36:58] ...and not about any institution [10:37:03] understood [10:38:46] I have a need to created, only way to satisfy that is to create, and certainly not to make artificial limits. I'm absolutely far away from what you mentioned above. [10:38:55] to create* [10:39:37] ?? ownership [10:39:39] ownership[1]: The system of ownership of ideas: [10:39:41] ownership[2]: http://dotsub.com/view/a29b44f7-bf4b-4928-a4a4-7a1359bceb55 [10:39:50] do you know that ^ ? [10:40:30] lukas: yes, I think I first saw Eben here at RBOSE, one of my favorites [10:41:13] it strikes me that Microsoft launched an Anti-GPL license [10:41:30] ok, because i started to wonder if we understand each other [10:42:11] I think we do, but keep in mind I come from a dark society filled with fascist systems :-P [10:42:24] *** DNS is now known as DNS_ [10:42:31] *** Joins: DNS (DNS777@RBOSE-vm12io.superkabel.de) [10:43:11] no single one solution will ever work for all, we don't need to convert everybody to foss from my perspective, but we need a freedom to work in foss community if we prefer that than being forced to taking advantage of others [10:43:47] *** Parts: DNS (DNS777@NetAdmin.RBOSE) [10:45:17] from where I'm standing we're well on our way to hell [10:45:19] with these numbers i was referring to great efficiency, making a copy of book for everyone who may need it, freely, simply because one person was created it, and is not blocking distribution, i tried to point out to abundance which can be easily created if only people share resources [10:45:34] so I'm trying to graft the rbose ideas into my daily life [10:48:58] *** Joins: DNS (DNS777@RBOSE-vm12io.superkabel.de) [10:49:24] *** Parts: DNS (DNS777@NetAdmin.RBOSE) [10:50:19] comotion, this is work in progress: http://pastebin.com/dA7EXrGH [10:50:20] URL Title: # MONEY / ECONOMY 1. Transaction: * Why we h [10:51:23] *** DNS_ is now known as DNS [10:57:15] * comotion likes that essay [10:57:27] "essay" [11:00:34] quitting money altogether is an interesting proposition [11:00:41] but it suffers the chicken egg problem [11:01:21] * comotion needs to go be a slave for money. will be back thanks for the chat [11:02:56] you're welcome, have a great day [11:04:04] *** Joins: fatboty (FatBoty@part.time.dancer) [11:04:20] somebody said there is an eggdrop problem? 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[23:50:58] Caly, what did you just say? [23:51:08] I am the official defender of people with bad connections. [23:51:12] Come get some, punk! :D [23:51:32] Ärligt, det är nån liten switch nånstans i nått jävla elskåp som fuckar min connection :) [23:51:40] english [23:51:41] *** Quits: Cyclo (Cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) (Quit: Leaving) [23:52:00] Mecha3: I don't engage in unfair fights. [23:52:45] i prefer messing up people two sizes above me [23:52:50] like VTV [23:52:52] xD [23:55:47] Caly, ditto. I could never hurt a cute lil' thing like u <3 [23:59:01] tssk [23:59:38] you know, just because joy can make a swing, dosn't mean you'll hit the target..