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[08:45:44] !dance [08:45:45] ACTION needs some room to dance the Cha Cha Cha with DNS in #RBOSE [08:45:48] oh hi [08:45:48] mo0h [08:45:51] morning [08:45:54] hi [08:46:16] *** Joins: kman (kman@RBOSE-hhm.9h0.94.93.IP) [08:53:35] so moneyless society is difficult [08:54:33] getting is difficult [08:54:37] there* [08:55:03] since we dont have access to resources [08:58:25] a peaceful and a society in harmoney that seems to be difficult [08:59:08] i mean for real [08:59:35] 99,9% of people don't know even where to look, most have no idea what they need, you ask how many kJ per day, how much watter, how you recycle it, what is efficiency of machines you use, what makes the bulb light "I don't know, a shiny shit?!" - people think about getting, damn consumerism, but wtf we create to share? [09:00:14] "we dont have access to resources" = ignorance [09:00:27] but wheres the limit in access? [09:00:56] every resource u use came from the money system if its not something you grew, like plant or sunlight [09:02:20] every resource i use comes from stars [09:02:39] why to focus on stuff which is already limited by regulations? have you ever heard about any policy which has been faster than science? [09:04:08] the approach "we dont have access to resources" is lame like hell, do you think Einstein or Tesla have been thinking this way? [09:04:08] but nevertheless its limited [09:04:11] what isnt? [09:04:42] no but they didnt build economies [09:04:57] and einstein bought books, paper and pen for his equations [09:05:04] tesla bought stuff to make his inventions [09:05:53] their resources were thoughts... but tesla really was stopped by lack of access [09:06:00] and where the earth bought her stuff from? [09:06:11] and did the ppl in stoneage bought somethin too to make their inventions? [09:06:15] he wanted to build stations around the world or somthing to deliver free energy but he couldnt because he didnt have access to resources [09:06:16] :x sowwy [09:06:43] money is a joke and a damn game [09:06:54] a stupid game [09:06:55] yes yes but how do we overcome it [09:07:00] everyone owns everything [09:07:21] NO u dont own my penix [09:07:24] for example [09:07:26] lol [09:07:30] u cannot go and take metal to make something without paying for it or getting a law suit for stealing it from the owner of the mine [09:07:51] we DONT have access [09:08:07] lol [09:08:28] expecto, everything i know exist in limited quantities when you talk about this, but the question you need to answer for yourself is: "how much is enough?" -- and i guess you don't know anything about that, except a fact that you need about 4 dm³ of water a day [09:08:30] no but theres not much ur penix can build [09:08:38] not? [09:08:42] children? [09:08:47] lol [09:08:56] hahaha [09:09:25] if we had access... we would have groups of people making stuff [09:09:26] i just wanted to say that a body should be property of the one whos livin in this body [09:09:29] should b clear [09:10:05] so 100 people have decided to build a hospital [09:10:06] you probably would be throwing out stuff your whole life to trash, pay for that throwing, and still whining that you don't have resources... - did you ever count what is the mass of stuff you will trash in your life? [09:10:13] can they do it without money? [09:10:42] they could do it without money if there were no restrictions [09:11:18] yes but half the world hasnt thrown much stuff away [09:11:27] cuz they never really bought much stuff [09:11:55] or owned [09:13:03] but we have enough trash for those who didnt buy anything [09:13:05] ? [09:13:09] maybe yes [09:13:18] but still what is in that trash? [09:13:19] prbably [09:13:37] if we jsut take bread as an example [09:14:24] theres a lot of bread in trash every day which is still good still for 3 days or soemthin [09:14:48] well when it comes to food its not that hard to grow it [09:14:50] if this bread would be used, probably a lot of children must not die becuz of hunger [09:15:08] but other stuff is more complicated [09:15:32] what really is complicated are teh rare resources [09:15:45] resources that we can not build [09:15:52] DNS, we don't have believe in money, and expecto is trying to say, you need to be a believer [09:15:58] resources which are very rare in nature for example [09:16:04] i dont say that lukas [09:16:16] i say it is difficult to get there [09:16:25] without overthrowing the governement [09:17:48] and you have such great amount of skills that you know how to build any device? recycle any material? and have know how to put together anything you would like? [09:17:53] i say u cannot get there within this system unless, as u said ure going to use trashed resources [09:18:11] no, thats another problem [09:18:16] don't say to me it's the problem of overthrowing and need for violence, i say it's ignorance [09:18:52] *** Quits: kman (kman@RBOSE-hhm.9h0.94.93.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [09:19:13] in this world there are people with knowledge to make from toothbrushes to spaceships [09:19:40] but if u ask them what could they build on their own theyll tell you whats in their trash is not enough [09:19:50] it's ignorance of most people, we are idiots, until we decide to become "people with knowledge to make from toothbrushes to spaceships" [09:20:48] yes but will u go and ask the owner of the mine to donate some metal? [09:20:53] or some silicon? [09:21:07] and then everyone will go the owner? [09:21:11] expecto, did you ever get together at least 1000 of such people? they say 90% of the world is poor so did you ever created a conditions for those people to join their effort? [09:21:35] if we did that, that would be good [09:21:57] yet how will they materialize their effort when they realize most of the stuff they need they do not own [09:21:59] so maybe please stop whining and do something about it [09:22:22] we dont have methods yet to transfromd soil into any element [09:22:40] if they will bring just a stone with them, they would build a city [09:23:07] not really, they would need metal if they live in a seismic area [09:23:52] solve it [09:23:52] when one of them got sick and wanted to cure his disease perhaps some weird treatment [09:24:09] that person could think: [09:25:21] in the monetary system i could've had a carrot enterprise and exchange what i got to pay for my treatment [09:25:39] in here, in this moneyless system, i cannot do everything on my own [09:25:45] what about facts and using science and not speculations just from own head? make a thesis, verify, try [09:26:20] if i cannot do everything on my own, we need to work together, organize ourselves [09:26:26] what do we need? [09:26:30] Oh we dont have access to it [09:26:32] ! [09:26:37] cuz it is still owned [09:26:41] critical thinking, it's fukking scare :X [09:26:53] am i not thinking critically? [09:27:31] http://moneyless-world.info/ [09:27:32] URL Title: Moneyless World [09:27:37] yes ive seen it [09:28:54] i have a proposition [09:30:26] the moneyless world has probably realized in the most extreme of cases that they could invest in raw materials to build something on their own [09:32:00] because everyone in the group of X project didnt have all the resources was it not something like transportation by people donating they cooking oil [09:32:11] their cooking oil [09:32:17] try prove this thesis (do a research on that): there is not enough energy for me, there is not enough building material for me, there is not enough space for me, there is not enough air for me, there is not enough water for me, there is not enough electricity for me, there is no way for me to get food, there is not enough information for me, my brain is to small to comprehend it, there is not enough people on this planet to build good relations [09:32:48] for a free transport, nevertheless they did bought the oil for the bio diesel engine when they decided they needed to cook [09:33:11] there is lukas [09:33:24] but i do not own the building materials [09:33:32] unless i go to a trashcan [09:33:40] you need virtual points? ask god [09:33:43] and find some cardboxes [09:33:49] and make a paper house [09:34:03] i could make a house with bottles and sand [09:34:11] or with old wood [09:34:13] yes [09:34:18] and make it very nice [09:34:43] we are just ignorants which think in small scales, only about our own asses [09:34:54] ok [09:35:07] so tell me what could u make on ur own u didnt have to buy [09:35:08] ? [09:35:17] raw resources u didnt have to buy at all [09:36:13] i dont mean we cannot have a world where raw resources are no valued in money but given the circumstances of our present world and the restrictions [09:37:26] u could make a house from recycled bottles and soil [09:37:34] yet u had to have bought the land before [09:37:43] u can grow ur own food [09:37:52] many people does that already, even in Mexico from what i know [09:38:08] i mean "make a house from recycled bottles and soil" [09:38:31] yes and besides that [09:38:32] ? [09:38:34] what else [09:38:57] exactly what else? think about it a day and night [09:39:10] and you will find a lot! [09:39:13] and the conclusion is?' [09:39:23] conclusion after few minutes? [09:39:32] no urs, after day and night [09:40:33] besides housing, clothing, food (considering u would have to buy a big piece of land to grow the materials for that... wood, hemp for clothing [09:40:35] etc etc [09:40:42] one conclusion could be: try to learn how to catch a fish instead of asking every time for a one because you are hungry (as old Chinese saying says) [09:40:50] so you did have to buy the piece of land [09:41:20] u could make ur own medicines even, grow medicinal plants [09:41:26] build an aquaponics system [09:41:39] grow plastics [09:41:43] organic plastics [09:41:55] make ur own soap, shampoo [09:42:02] toothpaste [09:42:27] again in a big piece of land [09:42:36] http://www.ic.org/ <--- many people there look for other people on land they already have [09:42:38] URL Title: Intentional Communities - ecovillages, communes, cohousing, coops [09:42:59] so we unite all our gardens [09:43:41] so we have food, clothing, medicines, hygine products [09:43:48] water [09:43:57] from the rain [09:44:20] no we have just a chat, i don't see any design we can share yet [09:44:46] chat =/= research [09:45:02] well food its not that difficult, clothing wouldnt be as well, medicinal plants neither, making soap is easy [09:45:57] but buy cinema, movies, airplane [09:46:15] cinema, movies?! what for is CC ? [09:46:26] well ariplane [09:46:42] sail with someone for free [09:46:42] where you want to fly and for what purpose? [09:46:43] ok [09:47:00] to travel [09:47:08] to see the world [09:47:15] or will it be like a prison [09:47:24] you mean to move ass from one place to another just for act of moving ass? [09:47:28] or do we need plans for free transportation systems also [09:47:59] i mean going to a beach, seing the sunset at the beach [09:48:15] seeing the wonders of the world [09:48:27] scuba diving [09:48:57] going to the mountains etc [09:49:12] oh yes there are people who do that without money [09:49:14] sort of [09:49:20] they still need a litle of it [09:49:43] do they grow their food at everyplace they get to? [09:50:01] that can sound crazy but would work: take a bike, take a year for a trip and you will be able to see mountains, oceans, jungle and woods, seas and lakes, it can cost you not much and you will see more than most people in their life for money [09:50:03] or carry a huge trunk around with food? [09:50:17] yeah like i just said [09:50:30] money is still necessary [09:50:37] be it little [09:50:47] you tries to prove that in chat? :D [09:51:29] if i had to plant a trip in here and tell u about it i would consider i will need to eat where i go to [09:51:48] i could get to a community farm and volunteer [09:51:59] but have u forgotten that the people of the farm sell their produce [09:52:10] cuz they are not voluntering at any community farm? [09:52:24] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzJJMEbbTyo <-- this guy does not use money [09:52:25] You4Tube 2[Title] Life and Mind Off-Grid (intro) 2[Category] Film 2[Duration] 0:06:52 2[Views] 3176 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2010-03-16 2[Description] LIFE AND MIND OFF-GRID DOCUMENTARY FOR MASTER THESIS 2010 Hello friends from Dago and Simon! Here is a great chance for you to give us money: our Final Project for the master course! Too straight forward? ☺ Then let us first explain what it is about and how you fit in. Direct [09:52:45] and if were i wanted to there was no volunteering organic farm i would have to buy food [09:53:01] or wait and staver for a month till something grows [09:53:09] or hunt for a rabbit [09:54:31] i guess you know already all the eatable plants growing n your region... [09:55:16] and what if someone had a food cooperative seeling food at a good price... no owners but everyone the owner [09:55:38] should i choose to go around looking for the edible plants in my region [09:55:40] ? [09:55:42] or buy to them? [09:55:58] how can i say one is better than the other if they are not exploiting people [09:56:03] that food cooperative [09:56:19] isnt nature exploiting me, if i had to look for 3 hours for edible plants [09:56:21] ? [09:56:21] the point i'm trying is: you will not find anything until you not look for it, and making excuses why you need money to not look for such solutions is reaaaaaally lame from my perspective [09:56:28] how can i say one is better or worse? [09:56:47] have u done it? [09:56:54] do u grow all ur food? [09:57:04] do u go around looking for edible plants? [09:57:58] but if u had to choose between buying food from a cooperative [09:58:06] and looking for it urself [09:58:10] what is better [09:58:58] if you weigh all they mean... cooperative: gives to people so they can buy other stuff... looking for food on my own: couls you say its more selfish? [09:59:12] than to cooperate and buy from them? [09:59:35] no money is evil? [09:59:39] i know plants growing in different terrain in my climate, but i don't grow much plants yet [09:59:39] isnt that belief? [09:59:45] isnt nature exploiting me, if i had to look for 3 hours for edible plants <---- hundreds of people dedicated their life time to gather such knowledge to pass to others, if 3h is an overlaod this is the ignorance i'm talking about [10:00:18] theres a program in discovery channel of the survivalist guy [10:00:23] he doesnt find it immediately [10:00:40] he knows what he is looking for and it takes time to find [10:01:05] ask Grits next time how he does it, he is off the grid for most of the time [10:01:11] what im saying is we can have moneyless socities who cooperate, no need to go on ur own looking for plants [10:01:37] yet those moneyless societies will see there are restricitions they need to overcome [10:01:54] either invent technology to transform abundate resources into more specific ones [10:02:18] or take those resources forcibly from those who call themselves the owers [10:02:20] owners [10:02:37] or check what they really need [10:02:53] money is not evil, it just limits distribution, holds back progress, corrupts and creates conditions and motives to abuse other people [10:04:03] if u have everythign u need being made locally... theres no need for distribution if BUT u had to distribute things in a moneyless system what would that be? [10:04:25] money creates violence, yes [10:05:25] if you want to earn money expecto, how you want do that without taking advantage (of any kind) of other people? one example and i might be interested [10:05:31] but we do need people taking over other resources [10:06:19] a cooperative where there is no ownership [10:07:29] everyone decides how to work [10:07:46] the best i can think of is a cooperative for a farm [10:07:55] something else that is not as ''raw'' [10:08:14] is buying their stuff from other enterprises who, yes, probably exploited people [10:09:02] but a cooperative farm, where 50 people work and theres no owner who gets the most profit is a good example [10:09:30] and is not buyin anything from anyone else, considering they make their own fertilizers, organic pesticids etc [10:10:34] fertilizers, organic pesticids <--- why you need that? to kill the soil? [10:10:54] is that off the point? [10:11:52] http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2750012006939737230 [10:11:53] URL Title: Natural World: Farm for the Future [10:12:17] ive seen it too [10:12:36] i meant like pesticides to kill an infestation [10:12:47] like leaf mining larvae [10:13:05] u need a kind of insect that deals with it naturally, who eats the larvae [10:13:41] but wouldnt that money system be fair? [10:13:50] i mean that cooperative? [10:14:40] if they are jointly deciding how to make production [10:14:59] you can also make plant/earth-friendly spray to spray on your plants [10:15:01] oh but the people who pay them for their food probably exploited other people yes [10:15:19] there its fucked up [10:15:37] but if everyone suddenly decides to make a cooperative? [10:15:43] you do as good as you can [10:15:46] cooperative entreprise model [10:16:36] dddddddbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd [10:16:39] sorry [10:16:58] i have mining larvae in my tomatoes [10:16:59] im sitting outside in the garden trying to pry my keyboard free from my beardhair infestation with leafs :-D [10:17:19] expecto, such system would block shearing of resources and distribution of ideas, and lead to situations like for example: "we put effort to run this irc and other system, since you had the time to grow the food while we have been very busy, you should pay for a visit, $30 a month will be enough" and then we could count for help, courses, accessing data, any idea where that would end up? [10:17:59] if it wasnt like that [10:18:32] if u where very busy making it in a moneyless system someone cooperates [10:18:44] someone will take care of food [10:19:02] its not that different if u saw money as cooperation [10:19:44] but still u someone busy in a project could be growing his own food at the same time, yes [10:20:01] but perhaps at some point we cannot do everything ourselves and need a community [10:20:08] to cooperate [10:20:17] distribute tasks [10:20:30] we are not yet in money less system, but we go into that direction step by step, and we don't bring that shit to the place where we want to work on something we care about (money make people to not care) [10:20:43] it's not possible to do absolutely everynthing yourself [10:20:48] and in a money system with different dynamics... money could be similar to a form a cooperation, of exchange [10:20:54] well, you would have to lower standards dramatically [10:21:38] we could distribute those tasks without the need of money, of course [10:22:13] oops need to go [10:22:17] :( [10:22:18] byebye [10:22:19] bbl [10:22:23] we just need big enough community to be sufficient, we don't know yet the amount of people it takes to build it [10:22:44] well i had an idea i wanted to get to [10:22:48] ill tall ya laters [10:22:50] self-sufficient* [10:22:55] yes [10:22:59] we want to get to moneyless [10:23:08] but we need to consider many strategies [10:23:17] ill tell ya later about it [10:23:19] :p [10:23:29] maybe it sucks [10:23:33] need to go :( [10:23:34] cya [10:23:41] but will share [10:23:45] *** Quits: expecto (mau@RBOSE-dng.h9t.226.189.IP) (Connection closed) [10:27:43] *** Joins: Kebap23 (Max@RBOSE-kc1f4l.adsl.alicedsl.de) [10:27:58] -|UFO|- Kebap23 has joined on FREENODE [10:43:43] http://www.archive.org/details/inside_job_2010 [10:43:44] URL Title: Inside Job : illuminati.me.pn : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive [10:44:01] Inside Job is a 2010 documentary film about the financial crisis of 2007-2010 directed by Charles H. Ferguson. The film was screened at the Cannes Film Festival in May 2010. Ferguson has described the film as being about "the systemic corruption of the United States by the financial services industry and the consequences of that systemic corruption. [10:45:18] was just published at web archive, haven't seen it yet [10:46:02] nice, me neither. [11:10:13] *** Joins: Cyclo (Cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) [11:28:56] btw guys if your client supports sasl you should be able to connect with sasl too i think [11:29:04] didnt tried but should work [11:29:20] or to use a cert instead of nick pass to identify [11:29:24] !w SASL [11:29:27] SASL | SASL may refer to: Simple Authentication and Security Layer, a framework for authentication and data security in Internet protocols. SASL (programming language), a non-strict functional programming language developed by David Turner in 1976. South African Sign Language, an officially-recognized sign language in South Africa. Solitaire Advanced Squad Leader, a single-player variant of the World [11:29:28] War II board wargame Advanced Squad Leader. System Application Support Libraries, an application of the Erlang programming language. Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SASL" Categories: Disambiguation pagesHidden categories: All article disambiguation pages | All disambiguation pages @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SASL [11:29:36] uhm [11:29:48] !w SASL encryption [11:29:51] Network Information Service | The Network Information Service or NIS (originally called Yellow Pages or YP) consists of a client–server directory service protocol for distributing system configuration data such as user and host names between computers on a computer network. Sun Microsystems developed the NIS and licenses this technology to virtually all other Unix vendors. Because British Telecom [11:29:52] PLC owned the name "Yellow Pages" as a registered trademark in the United Kingdom for its paper-based, commercial telephone directory, Sun changed the name of its system to NIS, though all the commands and functions still start with “yp”. An NIS/YP system maintains and distributes a central directory of user and group information, hostnames, @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Information_Service [11:29:59] damnit [11:30:14] !w Simple Authentication and Security Layer [11:30:17] Simple Authentication and Security Layer | Simple Authentication and Security Layer (SASL) is a framework for authentication and data security in Internet protocols. It decouples authentication mechanisms from application protocols, in theory allowing any authentication mechanism supported by SASL to be used in any application protocol that uses SASL. Authentication mechanisms can also support proxy [11:30:18] authorization, a facility allowing one user to assume the identity of another. They can also provide a data security layer offering data integrity and data confidentiality services. DIGEST-MD5 provides an example of mechanisms which can provide a data-security layer. Application protocols that support SASL typically also support Transport Layer Security ( @ [11:30:19] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Authentication_and_Security_Layer [11:30:21] ^^ [11:46:33] wtf scroll [11:46:57] you think anyone will understand?! [11:47:13] *** Quits: Antilect (Antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [11:48:33] Kebap23: hm some secure guys, lovin encryption, admins or paranoid ppl who want to encrypt maybe understand [11:48:43] lol [11:48:53] hm [11:49:35] check for example: /ns help cert [11:50:45] SASL > SSL? [11:51:05] aha identify, I don't stuff like that. [11:51:10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Authentication_and_Security_Layer [11:51:11] URL Title: Simple Authentication and Security Layer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [11:56:10] scrdcow: there are some nice features that you can only use as a registred nick [11:57:50] we got since the irc services switch to atheme nickserv autojoin for example again, useful for ppl who use diff location to login to irc and still want to be able to join some channels at once with identify /ns help ajoin [12:02:20] fo a whole overview of services check: /hs services [12:14:53] features like what? [12:15:22] i'm from ircnet. 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[17:05:30] hi guys :) [17:05:34] *** Parts: Bit-^ (Bit-@RBOSE-k3nhbi.bb.online.no) [17:09:22] hi Fat64 :D [17:09:34] <3 [17:09:45] hope all is well lukas :) [17:09:53] just reminding you guys I will be closing down the server tonight [17:10:48] hi Fat64 [17:10:53] ill anounce it [17:11:02] and let me know when ya get back [17:11:06] :) [17:13:10] yes Fat64, being busy with family and home stuff last 1.5 week so was not much working on projects, but simply cannot stop thinking about all the things i want to build and need to jump back to serious development [17:13:14] what about you? [17:13:28] !seen viper [17:13:29] DNS, Viper (Viper@NetAdmin.RBOSE) was last seen quitting #RBOSE.DE 10 hours 12 minutes ago (06.03. 06:00) stating "Connection closed" after spending 7 hours 9 minutes there. [17:13:43] at exactly 6:00 [17:13:46] hm [17:13:53] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-jj7.6pe.28.41.IP) [17:13:59] * DNS wonders where Viper is [17:15:00] estimated time is 3-4hrs [17:15:12] well max, it might just take 1hr :) [17:16:16] lukas: that's great! hope it goes forward from hereon. ~~~~ Studying like crazy, tough courses :> Looking forward to spring, so I can grow things again. 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[21:19:49] hm y0 [21:20:42] did you know that it's in the original repo? :O [21:20:55] gpl v2 [21:21:02] but.. no ksplice-src :T [21:22:36] strange is [21:24:45] no you can find the source package as well, on the website for debian packages [21:24:46] wow :) [21:24:51] this is pretty interesting? [21:25:15] !g ksplice source file [21:25:18] 34,500 results | Ksplice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ksplice | [PDF] Ksplice: Automatic Rebootless Kernel Updates @ http://www.ksplice.com/doc/ksplice.pdf | Ksplice » 8 gdb tricks you should know - System administration and ... @ http://blog.ksplice.com/2011/01/8-gdb-tricks/ [21:25:36] hm viper gave me once a link with source files [21:25:37] http://i.imgur.com/FpRLd.jpg [21:25:46] you still have that Viper? [21:26:26] !g ksplice tar.gz [21:26:29] 15,700 results | Ksplice » Anatomy of a Debian package - System administration and ... @ http://blog.ksplice.com/2010/10/anatomy-of-a-debian-package/ | Ksplice - Index of /dist @ http://www.ksplice.com/dist/ | Uptrack API | Linux Security Updates Without a Reboot | Ksplice ... @ http://www.ksplice.com/uptrack/api [21:26:51] Fat64: http://www.ksplice.com/dist/ [21:26:52] URL Title: Ksplice - Index of /dist [21:27:19] DNS: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/ksplice [21:27:20] URL Title: Debian -- Details of package ksplice in squeeze [21:27:35] ooooh api :)) nice [21:27:39] * Fat64 likes api's. [21:28:06] ;) [21:28:07] DNS: Error: ")" is not a valid command. [21:28:31] ;D [21:28:31] Fat64: Error: "D" is not a valid command. [21:28:42] it could have been. ^ [21:28:46] D FOR DELETE ALL RECORDS [21:28:51] ;-)) [21:28:52] DNS: Error: "-))" is not a valid command. 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