[00:02:52] Not very nice [00:02:59] Just a matter of time though [00:04:21] thanks for sharing DNS [00:06:35] np yw :) [00:15:22] -|UFO|- tropology has joined on FREENODE [00:18:55] this might be interesting for you guys as well: http://techcrunch.com/2010/09/09/android-open/ [00:18:56] URL Title: Android Is As Open As The Clenched Fist Id Like To Punch The Carriers With [00:43:08] darn [00:43:17] scroogle is fo0ked [00:43:28] March 9, 2011: Here we go again... [00:43:32] We regret to announce that Google changed their output format once again. The last time this happened was in November, and we were down for a day. During that time we looked for the simplest remaining Google format we could find, reprogrammed our parser, and ended up with something that worked. However, the file we fetched from Google was three times more bloated for the same information, as compared to the previous format we used, and we are still not happy abou [00:43:32] t this. [00:43:36] Now it looks like even more bloat. We have to take a closer look at the new format and see if we can program around it. Check back in a day or two. [00:44:21] !g mo0h [00:44:24] 256,000 results | YouTube - mo0h's Channel @ http://www.youtube.com/user/mo0h | youtube - `mo0h` @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej2lbRGyELI | mo0h's photo from 3/14/09 - Fotolog @ http://www.fotolog.com/mo0h/77940695 [01:04:35] *** Joins: Diago____ (Diago@RBOSE-njq.nq9.84.186.IP) [01:04:39] *** Quits: Diago____ (Diago@RBOSE-njq.nq9.84.186.IP) (Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~) [01:08:49] *** Joins: Mecha3 (Antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) [01:13:56] http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/traffic/ [01:13:58] URL Title: Traffic Google Transparency Report [01:14:06] wtf people do same every day [01:15:43] *** Quits: Antilect (Antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [01:17:16] Mar 9, 2011Data after this point are still being finalized. Interpret them with caution <- haha. yes, with caution [01:17:45] check gmail and other [01:17:49] People do same every day [01:18:20] all the puny details sort of melt away with these vast amount of users combined [01:18:22] so , yeah :) [01:21:44] with that kind of info you can do anything none will know that [01:22:03] When you know at what time people do this or that [01:22:39] *** Joins: anne (anne@RBOSE-604apl.adsl.tpnet.pl) [01:23:53] you want finegrained stats [01:23:56] on Viper. [01:23:56] :D [01:25:38] there was a guy telling me google dont collect data LOL [01:26:11] BranManFloMore maybe you are there? [01:26:28] give this link to Venux haha http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/traffic/ [01:26:29] URL Title: Traffic Google Transparency Report [01:26:40] Huh? [01:27:12] yeah he told me google dont collect data about users [01:27:59] Hmmm... [01:31:22] lol [01:31:36] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKNyFSLJy6o&feature=relmfu [01:31:36] maybe at their beginning [01:31:37] You4Tube 2[Title] Transactional Analysis 1: ego states & basic transactions 2[Category] Education 2[Duration] 0:10:00 2[Views] 52302 2[Rating] 4.97 2[Uploaded] 2010-06-10 2[Description] First in a series on TA, offering some of the metaphors I think can be useful in conceptualising and dealing with interactions. This first video looks at the Parent, Adult and Child states, and basic transactions. — Recommended TA texts: 1) Ian St [01:31:47] but this changed a while ago [01:32:08] beginning what? lol [01:33:33] they had some nice rules in the beginning, dont remember exactly, but i think it changed much to the opposite [01:38:52] wow [01:38:58] found a nice course title "TIG002 V11 Open Source/Free Software: political science" [01:39:01] :)) [01:48:30] soon twitter and facebook will be on that list LOL [01:48:54] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOqJ4sc9TAc&feature=fvwrel [01:48:55] You4Tube 2[Title] Transactional Analysis 2: games 2[Category] Education 2[Duration] 0:10:10 2[Views] 29091 2[Rating] 4.98 2[Uploaded] 2010-06-18 2[Description] Second in a series on TA, offering some of the metaphors I think can be useful in conceptualising and dealing with interactions. This second video looks at games and some ideas on how to deal with them. — Recommended TA texts: 1) Ian Stewart & Vann Joines: 'TA Today: A New [02:08:39] *** Quits: anne (anne@RBOSE-604apl.adsl.tpnet.pl) (A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.) [02:21:55] *** Quits: Sixth_Ape (sixth_ape@RBOSE-7n7n2i.mweb.co.za) (Connection closed) [02:44:12] *** Quits: Mecha3 (Antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) (Connection closed) [04:15:14] !night all [04:15:16] ACTION wishes everbody in #RBOSE a Good Night! (Even if missboty will not go to sleep, but DNS requested that) [04:18:34] Good night DNS! :) [04:33:28] *** Quits: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-i97fcv.biz.rr.com) (Quit: Leaving.) 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The security features are available on all Intel Core and Core vPro CPUs, the company said." [10:08:27] Development summary for last 24 hours: [10:08:28] 5 edits in the wiki http://rbose.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges [10:08:29] To stay updated in real time join #developers #mumble #news #pms and #wiki channels. To learn more about the news system go to http://rbose.org/wiki/News [10:08:39] "A new location function also enables laptops with certain GPS modems to communicate their location if they go missing. In addition, if a computer is in standby mode when it is taken, it can require an encryption password in addition to the normal sign-on mechanisms." [10:08:46] joo - whazzup? [10:08:58] hey :) [10:09:18] checking in frm school ;) [10:09:39] i'm reading about horrific news... [10:09:57] intel spyprogram and EU proposials to controll internet on global scale [10:09:59] I (as seen here) am attempting to punch holes through the school FW =) [10:10:21] nocaic: if you have ssh port open, you can tunnel through that [10:10:55] well - I am am tunneling my home SSH through a SSH tunnel to the school server... that is the only way I can ssh out of school [10:11:23] ok :) [10:11:28] and I am not working on forwarding Freenode IRC or so into our class room so we can 'coordinate' our exam next week [10:12:16] ssh has built in socks5 proxy, so you should be able to get most traffic running through that connection [10:13:02] or just run some irc-client on remote ssh server... [10:13:09] in screen [10:14:05] i am working on tzunneling something like freenode into the class room [10:14:58] only problem - port forwarding works fine with a forwarded port ffrom remote host (eg chat.eu.freenode.net:6667 to localhost 6667) [10:15:13] however that only carrys one connection at a time [10:15:48] and a socks proxy normally works fine for me, however the others seemingly can't get their IRC through a sox5 prox [10:15:54] someway mind-bending [10:16:41] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-sfrpgs.mweb.co.za) (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) [10:35:22] what's up in here?? any life?? ;) [10:42:45] * nocaic prods DNS [11:20:06] *** Joins: Absalom (absalom@RBOSE-7d9750.bredband.comhem.se) [11:22:05] *** Joins: idk (idk@RBOSE-k3nhbi.bb.online.no) [12:37:35] *** Joins: Antilect (Antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) [13:23:13] -|UFO|- tropology has quit FREENODE (Read error: Operation timed out) [14:13:55] hi [14:14:26] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> lo [14:14:28] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> :P [14:14:50] hi DNS :D [14:15:03] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> heya lukas [14:15:07] hmm [14:15:08] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> how are you today? [14:16:22] I'm fine :) [14:16:44] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> g00d [14:17:10] checking now if any work has been done since the place i stopped yesterday [14:17:56] new icecat has been released today, and the GNU privacy extension this time does not cause any problems :D [14:18:08] woot [14:23:09] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> yep [14:23:23] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> but rlsed yesterday evening [14:23:25] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> ;D [14:23:35] ok :) [14:23:52] nice that they were quick this time [14:23:56] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> :) [14:25:06] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> nice [14:25:11] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> and scroogle is fixed already too [14:25:15] <|UFO|> 15* 12DNS777@FREENODE is happy [14:25:19] :D [14:26:56] I had today big struggle with proprietary crap, but will later tell about this in mumble. [14:27:32] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> oh no [14:27:43] <|UFO|> 15* 12DNS777@FREENODE hides in freenode [14:28:00] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> lol :x [14:34:39] I have really enough of statements like "you should use only approved cables", "you should use approved searches", "you cannot repair device xyz" x 100 , wtf, copper is copper, and if it has the diameter it should have it's all obviously simple. They try to create this fukking culture of permissions, while all what you need is to understand how this shit works from physical perspective. I hate devices designed to lock down creativity and blocking development. [14:34:41] Today i was reading instruction to lap, no technical data at all! Not even one sentence. Just what you cannot do, but nothing about what you can do, even how to enter or execute a mode on that device. There was information how i should use my chair, can i put "heavy" (whatever that means? 350g or 5kg, maybe 1T?) objects on the device, but I did not bought a chair, and just electronics. [14:36:07] 32 pages which you could call "the book to scare you out and no single technical fact about the electronics you just got" [14:39:30] i called then the service to ask where is instruction i really need, and why they publish such crap, i asked single simple question "how to enter to bios if i enabled fast mode booting", they didn't know, so i waited on cable, then i got informed you can do that under windows, but to find out how to do that with Linux, they need to send a query to service in Germany [14:40:04] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> =_= [14:40:17] this is bios issue, and fukking DRM [14:40:51] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> m0b0s need coreb00ts [14:41:58] i really have enough hardware designed this way, starting from drivers, and finishing on casing and screws [14:42:18] everything made to lock one out [14:42:50] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> yea but theres a choice to get free hardware too [14:42:54] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> its rare but its there [14:43:11] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> for example... [14:43:22] i need a machine with which i can do anything, even if that will look like a piece of wood or like a device 100 years old, i can then make it better [14:44:20] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> http://www.lemote.com/en/ [14:44:23] URL Title: Global Website-Jiangsu Lemote Tech Co.,Ltd [14:44:36] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> stallman uses such as laptop [14:44:38] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> heh [14:48:09] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> http://www.inatux.com/?gnu#fullyfree [14:48:10] URL Title: GNU+Linux, BSD, Haiku, or OpenSolaris, Pre-Installed Systems - InaTux Computers [14:50:15] DNS, but is that hardware copyleft as well? [14:50:44] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> lemote i think yes [14:50:49] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> at inatux i dk [14:50:54] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> but its recommended by fsf [14:50:56] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> both [14:52:22] well, recommendations are matter of authoritative thinking, so i'm questioning that anyway [14:53:38] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> well did u found any other shops who provide 100% free gnu/linux [14:54:01] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> they recommend 100% free os [14:54:12] <|UFO|> 15<12DNS777@FREENODE15> i think its a good thing [14:58:13] !w loongson [14:58:16] Loongson | Loongson (Chinese: 龙芯; pinyin: lóngxīn, academic name: Godson, also known as Dragon chip) is a family of general-purpose MIPS-compatible CPUs developed at the Institute of Computing Technology (ICT), Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) in the People's Republic of China. The chief architect is Professor Weiwu Hu. Loongson is the result of a public-private partnership. BLX IC Design [14:58:17] Corporation was founded in 2002 by ICT and Jiangsu Zhongyi Group. Based in Beijing, BLX focuses on designing the advanced 32-bit/64-bit Loongson general-purpose and embedded processors, together with developing software tools and reference platforms. ST Microelectronics fabricates and markets Loongson chips for BLX, which is fables @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loongson [14:58:51] !w loongson#Loongson_3 [14:58:54] Loongson | Loongson 3 The 65 nm Loongson 3 (Godson-3) is able to run at a clock speed between 1.0 to 1.2 GHz, with 4 CPU cores (10W) first and 8 cores later (20W), and it is expected to debut in 2010. The first version of the chip only support DDR2 DRAM, does not have SMT support or a built-in network interface. In April 2010, Loongson 3A was released with DDR3 DRAM support. @ [14:58:55] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loongson#Loongson_3 [1 Redirect(s)] [15:01:35] 4 cores with 1.2ghz at 10w sounds energy effecient or? [15:01:40] :D [15:08:16] http://git.tuxfamily.org/irssiotr/irssiotr.git?p=gitroot/irssiotr/irssiotr.git;a=blob_plain;f=README;hb=HEAD [15:36:27] http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/03/uh-oh-greenland-and-antarctica-melting-faster-than-expected.ars [15:36:28] URL Title: Uh-oh. Greenland and Antarctica melting faster than expected [15:39:48] -|UFO|- tropology has joined on FREENODE [15:40:16] kalken: uh-oh indeed' [15:40:22] crazy [15:41:15] and ice reflects ligt, open water absorbs light, so it's a exponential speed as well [15:41:59] and magnetic pole shift is picking up speed as well, say goodbye to the gulfstream... [15:44:58] yes. The sad thing is not only that its happening, but that people know its happening but still don't understand how changes in their own life will affect everything [15:45:10] if everybody just took that responsability, we would not have these problems [15:46:23] ignoring these facts based on the lie that "its always been like this" will end up in disaster. Question is only when [15:47:25] hmm, i really wonder... [15:47:40] but with this society where most people have totally lost the connection on how important the environment is for themselves, who can get that connection back? [15:48:04] lukas: hi :) [15:48:07] what do you wonder? [15:51:01] http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5846653816958373120 <--- according to some of the geological research we are right now in situation where land with total surface of Australia, north america and south america is underwater, and have been dry before end of the last ice age [15:51:02] URL Title: Graham Hancock - Underworld (Part 1 of 2) [15:52:37] lukas: yes. "it has not always been like this" :D [15:53:44] according to that it seems we have right now - since 10 000 years - a lot more melted water than before, and that a lot of our old culture is under water, like for example, 90% of the malta, or east cost of the america, south india, north europe, oceania etc. [15:53:48] still im curious on how bad its going to get, before people really start to make a differens by understanding that their own way of living today is unsustainable [15:58:25] kalken, when we find that something is melting faster than we thought, it not necessarily mean that it is doing that in fact [15:58:50] ofc [15:58:51] it can be that our old measurements were wrong [15:59:33] i'm just basing the facts on what i know today. The way most people live is unsustainable [15:59:47] and we are ignoring the importance of eco systems [16:00:08] that means that these eco systems will fail (or change) [16:00:25] and that means that things will be different [16:00:50] yeah, that is true for sure, but there are as well money to be made from so called "environment friendly" regulations and growing market of "green" technologies [16:01:10] and i would be surpriced if it turned out that we can change the atmosphere by putting alot of toxic gases up there, without changing anything [16:03:01] I'm just pointing to issue of spin, they use often white authority to influence people, but it's just propaganda and bad science in many cases [16:03:21] the argument how much things is melting or how much things are changing, is less relevant than the fact that things ARE changing at a rate we can not predict, because we ignore the way eco systems work when we build and produce stuff today :D [16:03:25] (imo) [16:03:43] http://rbose.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=How_to_make_better_decisions [16:03:44] URL Title: How to make better decisions - RBOSE [16:05:30] lukas: they made an investigation in sweden (because of the global warming debate), and it turned out that the rumor that this was not happening was not supported by _any_ of the scientists they interviewed [16:06:06] everybody who is a scientist in these areas understand that global warming is changing environment, but the big question is at what rate [16:07:55] lukas: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsvt.se%2F2.131787%2F1.1955993%2Fforkrossande_majoritet_enig_om_klimatforandringarna%3Flid%3Dpuff_1980270%26lpos%3Dlasmer [16:07:56] kalken's URL: http://x0.no/1rrt [16:07:56] URL Title: Google Translate [16:08:46] yeah, but global warming means the global temperature goes up, it not says anything in fundamental sense of this term about anthropogenic nature of this phenomena, from what i know sun studies point to external and not earth based cause [16:10:18] homo sapiens sapiens is there (according to our understanding) for 200 000 years already, several melt downs and ice ages, if we developed the whole civilization during last 10 000 then what we have been doing for previous 190 000? people were lees creative or what? i think we are ignoring here a lot of _natural_ phenomenas, or maybe humanity keeps making the same mistake over and over [16:10:36] to turn the question around then. If we know that himalaya is melting (that supports all of india with fresh water), and it will be completely gone by 2030 or so, but we dont do anything to prevent it. Where does that leave us? [16:10:40] :) [16:12:23] afaiac, we humans are not a threat to the earth itself, but if we dont understand that the environment is constantly changing and try to adapt to that, there will probably be problems that can not be "corrected" once the evidence is clear enough [16:12:48] i'm just trying to say we are in this process for last 10 000 years, and exactly where does that leave us? maybe this is just a cycle of much bigger natural forces [16:13:19] and from a capitalistic point of view its good that india dont have fresh water, because everyone can sell it in bottles to them then... [16:14:19] lukas: yes. Maybe. I dont really know. The thing i do know, is that i dont want to sit around doing nothing until shit is on my back yard :D [16:15:16] me neither :D [16:16:09] true problemsolving is to solve them before they appear :D [16:16:44] lukas: there is a fundamental factor that makes the argument of the age of our species irrelevant. [16:17:03] and i would like to look at things from multiple angels, because some things looks like obvious only due to the fact we ignore other information [16:17:33] just a few thousand years ago, humans were as common as bears, and they had about the same diet. [16:17:46] yes. sadly a lot of research i see is based on too little data and sometimes leaves out really relevant stuff. [16:17:50] how you know that Caly? [16:19:13] maybe we were just like cows and just eatin weed... mo0h! [16:19:16] http://www.jeremyrhammond.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/world-population.jpg [16:19:20] :x [16:19:24] and was that the same before these just few thousands years? [16:19:24] hehe [16:19:32] for example i read a really serious study saying that people who work with computers all day, have a much higher risk of dying from heart diseases. What the study failed to take into consideration, is what most peoples diet look like, that sits in front of computers all day :D [16:20:08] Caly, on this imeage it's just 1/20 of the history of homo sapiens sapiens i'm speaking [16:20:09] *** Joins: Diago____ (Diago@RBOSE-njq.nq9.84.186.IP) [16:20:45] sure, but it's quite enough to see the påattern [16:20:53] *pattern [16:21:21] not really [16:21:31] *** Quits: Soppoj (ozmonatov@RBOSE-gd1hbg.priv.bahnhof.se) (Connection closed) [16:21:36] on avarage we have trippled the life expectancy for one [16:22:25] true only when assuming that we never died at massive rate during 200 000 years [16:22:25] this is the most clear evidence i have to realize that the future will not at all look like the past: http://dueband.wordpress.com/2010/01/31/oil-and-world-population/ [16:22:27] URL Title: Oil and World Population | Belief is the death of intelligence [16:22:46] but from where such assumption? [16:24:49] what do you mean? [16:25:56] from where the assumption that during previous 190 000 years there was no human beings? [16:26:10] sorry, let me correct [16:26:23] are you suggesting there once were many more, like today? [16:26:39] from where the assumption that during previous 190 000 years human beings does not existed in a larger scale than today? [16:26:59] i'm suggesting that we cannot exclude that [16:27:21] well, i'd say the traces would have been overwhelming if so [16:27:50] why? [16:29:03] ell, we have found thusands of findings of animals and life long before (the asumed start) human life, but very little traces of human civilization, or even human existance [16:30:47] Caly this is much older and much bigger then any pyramid found ever before. http://www.sott.net/articles/show/221810-Bosnia-Convincing-Evidence-for-largest-Pyramid-on-Earth [16:30:48] URL Title: Bosnia: Convincing Evidence for largest Pyramid on Earth (so far) -- Secret History -- Sott.net [16:31:09] Maybe there is even larger one then this one that we dont know of Yet [16:32:01] sure, showed you a finding of a civilization in northern africa that seems to be 12000 years old, but it doesn't by any means suggest there were a hell lot of people back then [16:32:16] this one is older then 12k [16:33:26] Maybe there was more much more people in past [16:33:39] If people would learn how to have sustainable life, build from natural constructions, passively working buildings, the bacteria eating titanic and other similar ones would take care about oil and metal stuff, most of our constructions would be near seas and oceans, which currently have a totally different location, and put to that fact that carbon dating works only in range up to 45 000 years (and the precision goes down exponentially and reaches 50% of the [16:33:40] result at 15 000 of years from what i remember, always due to equation pointing to multiple periods), then wouldn't we just find a lot of natural stuff? but who looks underwater? [16:34:31] you cant carbon date a stone [16:35:11] viper, but you can use K or other methods for stone, but not effectively in such short periods [16:36:01] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Underwater_archaeology <--- this obviously is a joke, there is no enough research done [16:36:02] URL Title: Underwater archaeology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [16:36:06] well, even if there was more humans, what does it prove? [16:36:20] that they ALSO failed to survive? [16:36:23] ^^ [16:36:43] yes [16:37:24] and we could as well ignore non anthropogenic causes [16:37:26] and i guess we are doing same again lol [16:37:56] "looking for a leader" haha [16:39:43] *** Joins: Joppos (ozmonatov@RBOSE-gd1hbg.priv.bahnhof.se) [16:57:19] Caly, kalken, i think we need to get self sufficient, change the way of leaving to what you are describing, i love those concepts and what be a part of those endeavors, but i'm far from reaching atm conclusion about cause for warming right now, we don't know yet so much about our planet [17:01:08] i'm just thinking about 200 years of human industrial activity with over 10 000 x 365 x 24 equivalents of sun operations (assuming for simplification that our industry was consuming all the time such amount of energy like today, and that during 1h the sun provides same amount of energy like the whole industry requires for the whole year) [17:07:25] *** Quits: Diago____ (Diago@RBOSE-njq.nq9.84.186.IP) (Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~) [17:08:51] the most significant warming substance out there is water vapor, and there is a lot of that simply out of water reservoirs, counteracting ozone is produced for example during light storms, i haven't heard anyone measuring that, the amount of ozon depends a lot of solar radiation which destroys it, so if sun just radiates more, it's might be a significant influencing factor [17:09:31] well, the reason for change is not that important really, it's theprocess of change that is [17:09:40] we still need to quit destroying the planet [17:10:15] and water vapor certainly boost the process exponentially [17:10:44] looking for one single reason is just stupid [17:11:16] i think it's quite hard to change the nature by one single factor [17:11:20] *** Joins: Diago____ (Diago@RBOSE-njq.nq9.84.186.IP) [17:11:24] it's a very complex system [17:11:47] stars are not so small factors :) [17:11:55] killing of and acidify the oceans i see as our biggest problem really [17:12:26] it's basically the same as deforestation-->desertification [17:13:22] deforestation is a sevare problem, but the notion that mamzonas is earths lungs are.. well, not very truthfull, as we get most of the oxygene from life in the oceans [17:13:35] *amazonas [17:17:55] guys, let me maybe explain in another words why i even brought this subject [17:22:43] you know from our economy that by making people believe that something is scare, you can sell them shit at high prices, and after people find that the supply is so massive, all of what they have looses vastly it's value. 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