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[09:25:19] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> kman: fuck yes [09:29:19] Development summary for last 24 hours: [09:29:20] 1 activities in the pms http://pms.rbose.org/activity [09:29:21] To stay updated in real time join #developers #mumble #news #pms and #wiki channels. 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[11:34:54] ok, i got it to work, it just takes some time after you make a plugin and add it [11:45:03] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-795.lt5.216.41.IP) [11:48:59] .c [11:48:59] *** Parts: lukas (lukas@NetAdmin.RBOSE) [11:48:59] *** Joins: lukas (lukas@NetAdmin.RBOSE) [12:02:59] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> according to Evan Mills at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, the US cannabis grow ops cause 1% of the US electricity [12:03:14] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> use* [12:09:06] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> indoor cannabis production consumes 8% of California's household electricity [12:09:40] and how they obtained those "messurements"? [12:11:13] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXDEEq_W2vo [12:11:43] ,title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXDEEq_W2vo [12:11:44] lukas: YouTube - Japan Nuclear Crisis Dr Michio Kaku 4/13/11 [12:12:16] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> it's based on a set of estimates and assumptions, collected in table 2 of the report [12:12:21] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> http://evan-mills.com/energy-associates/Indoor.html [12:12:22] URL Title: Energy up in Smoke: The Carbon Footprint of Indoor Cannabis Production [12:13:00] as you see people lable that as a spam, but Kaku is one of most known nowdays physicists [12:13:39] or i should say "people" [12:30:25] magnetron, this report is for me suspectected like hell - if production of one single plant (and only indoor branch) drains 1% of national electricity in us, then what about other plants? how much electricty drains whole industry, all the research facilities together taken, and millitary? 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[13:46:46] lol [13:47:11] but i'm not sure if i got whole message from that website [13:48:09] sum it up, some people just want to code and don't care much about metrics or more abstract implications of that code [13:48:18] they just want to do da code :D [13:48:50] or to sum it up another way, the guy who made the web site hates his job [13:49:05] just like all things people love, when you do it 60 hours a week for a paycheck you soon hate it [13:49:13] :D [13:49:14] yes [13:49:21] but its more or less a jokesite.. I guess. [13:49:38] rantsite [13:50:21] a way to release anxiety [13:50:51] thx for these perpsectives :) [13:51:34] :D [14:34:22] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> lukas, the report compares indoors cannabis with other plants. few other plants are grown under high-power ligthing by amateurs, who can afford to waste power and still make profit [14:35:21] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> lukas, the report states that indoor cannabis grow energy use could be reduced by 50%, if growers were well educated in their craft [14:38:12] i'm absolutelly not sure if this is acurate at all, we have houndrands of branches of industry, processing only wood just in one brnach would take maybe comparable rsults to canabis? production of concrete how much would take? plastic? lighting agricalture fascilities where animals are kept? [14:39:57] I'd like to be an angel [14:40:02] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> lukas, industry is large scale is always increasing their productivity. most cannabis growers are small time, and they're quickly replaced with newcomers. they COULD be more efficient but aren't educated enough to do so [14:40:04] don't get me wrong, i don't use any drug and never was using, i don't even drink tea, and only once tried coffee in my life, but this report seems like an attempt to simply go after people [14:41:01] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> lukas, did you read the question section? neither it doesn't try to argue for criminalization [14:41:38] that doesn't mean other would not try backup they claims with this stuff [14:42:00] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> instead it argues that it would be easier to reduce energy use, if cannabis was legal to grow outdoors [14:42:06] wouldn't you guys like to be angels? [14:42:26] i would like to see what and how the guy would sum up to get 100% of all electricity usage in usa, i'm far from looking for answers and racionalization in my own head, this is sudo science [14:42:40] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-1t8lj2.bredband.skanova.com) [14:42:55] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [14:42:57] everybody thinks angels are these really cool nice people with wings but they're not, they're horrible monsters that god sends to punish or warn people [14:43:04] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> i think you mean "pseudo" science [14:43:30] yeah, in my language we say sudo or quasi [14:44:03] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> Calyp: http://evan-mills.com/energy-associates/Indoor.html [14:44:04] URL Title: Energy up in Smoke: The Carbon Footprint of Indoor Cannabis Production [14:45:07] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> Calyp: a report estimates that 8% of californian electricity is used for indoor cannabis production [14:45:43] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> 1% of US electricity for US indoor cannabis cultivation [14:45:47] magnetron, according to your previous claims and racionalization, it was really not bad in Japan, and now we have offically a Charnobyl II [14:46:14] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> it got worse [14:46:22] and they still lower the results [14:46:26] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> but not as bad as what it was portrayed to be [14:46:48] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> the panic reaction was unproportional [14:47:07] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> finns stampeding eachother to death over iodine pills [14:49:18] how panic reaction can be compared to radioactive contamination results? what you count that? [14:49:48] how* you count that? [14:49:54] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> well, if the panic reaction causes more death and injury than the original accident itself, maybe we should tone the discussion down a bit [14:50:29] i would like to see the equation since it was "unproportional" [14:50:44] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> it's pretty bad on the fukushima plant. but outside of the powerplant, there's few health risks to the general population [14:51:57] that's why officially they extended the radious of the evacuation zone to 60km? [14:52:12] or even 60 milles [14:52:12] *** Joins: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-vjp1t3.cust.telenor.se) [14:52:18] *** Joins: warpi_ (warpi@RBOSE-vjp1t3.cust.telenor.se) [14:52:36] *** Quits: warpi_ (warpi@RBOSE-vjp1t3.cust.telenor.se) (A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.) [14:52:40] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> how many miles from fukushima are you [14:52:51] how that is relevant? [14:54:47] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> what are you trying to say? [14:56:06] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> i think it's silly to call it a "nuclear meltdown" before any trusthworthy sources can confirm it [14:56:34] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> the first day, US news sources called it a "nuclear meltdown" a countrless times [14:56:40] The mass media reported for weeks on end that there "might be a meltdown" and things of that nature [14:56:42] fearmongering [14:56:54] It's all part of the trauma based mind control, and it's working on some people. [14:57:06] I've come across some people who were abjectly terrified of japanese nuclear reactors. [14:57:20] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> fear doesn't help [14:57:40] The local news here daily reminds people that the situation in Japan could always and quickly become much much much worse than people even imagine it to be now. [14:57:45] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> fear only helps iodine pill manufacturers [14:57:58] 1. calling an argument silly in discussion is a logical fallacy, 2. insinuating and arguiment is another fallacy - and i'm trying to say that we endorse here critical thinking and checking of resources [14:58:35] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> how did i offend your critical thinking? [14:59:15] -nobody- spirals has quit FREENODE (Quit: Ex-Chat) [14:59:49] it's not about my critical thinking, it's about passing informations on others which sound like facts but are not [15:01:57] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-795.lt5.216.41.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [15:04:24] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> lukas: i passed on a claim that Evan Mills publicized a report. [15:05:01] *** a is now known as scrdcow [15:06:11] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> lukas: i found the report interesting, because the questions it raised challenged by notions about cannabis and environmental sustainability. [15:06:34] who ever is this guy and on which payroll he is... [15:07:09] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> don't shoot the messenger [15:07:33] sure, sorry if that looks this way [15:14:41] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> i can agree that 1% sure sounds like a high estimate. but i don't see any reason to dismiss it on that basis. [15:14:41] *** Quits: jscinoz (jscinoz@RBOSE-rdhsrj.tpgi.com.au) (Connection closed) [15:16:50] we simply don't know if this article was peer reviewed by any other guy, has the study ben repeated, is it a fake, does it match any real data, how exactly they normalized hardware used in production, because "similar" is not enough, what was the sample (form what i get he used stories from newspapers), where are calculations because we see only result tables and no description of the method [15:17:14] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> well, did you read it? [15:17:22] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> or the synopsis? [15:17:26] yes, most of it [15:17:32] looks like bs [15:18:37] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> the first reference answers most of the questions you just asked [15:22:35] yes, but that is not much of an answer, another pool of claims, for example what is the geographical location of such production entities on which he based assumption that people actually grow comparable quantities in colder climat or actually gorow it ther at all? [15:24:29] he even writes "more energy-intensive scenarios are also possible" oh, that must be more than whole farmacology business then already... or? [15:26:18] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> why are you so quick to dismiss him [15:26:51] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> do you think it's unfair to make claims that could be interpreted as criticism of marijuana farmers? [15:29:28] i think that claiming that 1% of USA electirical energy goes to producing one single plant in basements makes people in this country look like not smart, and that article is offending :) just joking a bit [15:30:35] I'm not so sure about the numbers, if I'm reading the same thing you guys are. [15:30:38] Like the following: [15:30:55] "a single Cannabis cigarette represents 2 pounds of CO2 emissions, an amount equal to running a 100-watt light bulb for 17 hours" [15:30:59] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> "More in-depth analyses could explore the [15:31:01] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> variations introduced by geography and climate, alternate technology configurations, and [15:31:03] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> production techniques. [15:31:05] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> " [15:31:35] that just seems made up to me [15:31:40] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> Grits: he's talking about the production of the joint [15:31:49] Does that include the paper? [15:31:51] and rolling it? [15:32:05] lol [15:32:06] Does it account for all the CO2 the plant gobbled up while it was growing? [15:32:50] but the whole thing about CO2 emissions equal to running a 100 watt light for 17 horus [15:32:57] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> Grits: almost all of the CO2 absorbed while the plant was growing, is released when the cannabis is smoked and later discarded [15:32:58] I mean that can't possibly be right [15:33:52] I mean if that were correct you could use a 100 watt HPS light and grow about 150 joints every 5 months [15:33:55] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> using high-power lighting and ventilation for several months, consumes electricity which is produced by burning coal and oil [15:34:40] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> Grits: what? how do you reach that conclusion [15:34:41] I just love also how everyone has seamlessly accepted CO2 as a marker of energy use. [15:34:58] I reach that conclusion based on my experience growing the plant. [15:35:16] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> not the report you were criticizing. k. [15:35:27] and the numbers cited by the report, obviously [15:35:31] since I'm calling them into question [15:35:39] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> which numbers, specifically [15:35:45] the ones I quoted [15:36:16] that a joint represents the CO2 emissions it would produce to light a 100 watt light bulb for 17 hours [15:37:06] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> yeah, but you are making a logical fallacy [15:37:12] if you insist [15:38:12] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> even if he compares the production to the CO2 emissions of lighting a bulb, he doesn't just include the lighthing in the production [15:38:24] evidently not [15:38:56] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> he includes lighting, ventilation, heating, water treatment, transportation and other factors [15:39:19] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> as a grower, it's easy to assume that those are "free". but it all adds up [15:39:21] oh transportation, like the breath of the donkey whose ass they shove the pot up to get it across the border [15:39:32] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> yes. [15:39:58] If you're doing really good you can get a gram per watt after 3 months, assuming you start form clones of mature plants [15:40:04] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> i'm sure your report on the matter will have a more in-depth investigation [15:40:14] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> a watt OF LIGHTING [15:40:49] we should get rid of flowers, screw that women like it, it's crazy polution and drain of energy, does anybody count it? i see flowers in shops on ever corener, tons of them ;) [15:41:04] 10<08DNS_@FREENODE10> 0_o [15:41:17] yeah my report on the matter would consist of the following [15:41:26] stay the fuck out of my business, I'll grow pot in my yard for free [15:41:36] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> lukas: what other flowers are grown with several hundred watt lamps in living compartments by inexperienced growers? [15:42:01] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> Grits: why get so offended by a report you misunderstand [15:42:14] Don't project your offense onto me. [15:43:01] Since you keep harping on it, though, I'd like to know where in that report you learned that the lightning isn't taken into account for that CO2 footprint of a joint. [15:43:16] I have to confess I can't find any such disclaimer regarding that so-called statistic. [15:43:20] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> that's basically the opposite of what i said [15:44:02] ahh I see where the misunderstanding here is [15:44:17] you think I was saying the estimate is too high, and I thought you were saying lighting wasn't included in the estimate [15:44:29] the estimate is FAR too low [15:44:36] and that's just to account for the lightning [15:44:51] if you include all the rest it's even more erroneous [15:45:08] by the way not all growers spend anything on "ventilation" or "water treatment" or whatever else you saids [15:45:10] -s [15:45:18] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> sure. [15:45:34] but seriously guys, how you feel knowing that 1% of electrical energy used by each of you in the usa (300 000 000 of people) is enclosed in joints? lol [15:45:36] so because I feel based on my experience growing and my vast knowledge of all subjects really that the estimate is way too low [15:45:49] therefore I think the number was just pulled out of somebody's ass [15:46:38] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> this is the only attempt i've seen of estimating the electricity use for indoor american cannabis growers [15:46:51] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> which makes it the most accurate estimate i've seen so far [15:47:03] and how do you conclude it's the most accurate [15:47:12] because it makes you feel better? [15:47:13] let me make another one ;) [15:47:15] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> since it's the ONLY estimate [15:47:29] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> i'm not even saying he is right [15:47:46] I'm sure the cops estimate it all the time [15:47:53] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> it's just funny to see people react all emotionally about it [15:47:54] and politicians [15:48:04] yes it is funny how emotional you're getting [15:48:43] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> i get emotional when lukas tries to discredit my person instead of discredit the report [15:49:03] i discussed only the flaws [15:49:23] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> you also discussed my judgement about japan [15:49:44] I don't really see it as trying to discredit anything, but it seems to me at first blush that the document is just somebody popping off without proper investigation. [15:50:35] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> so what's your estimate of the US energy consumtion of indoor marijuana growing [15:51:08] I know it's more than twenty. [15:51:24] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> twenty what? percent? [15:51:28] units [15:51:39] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> hogsheads? [15:51:45] perhaps [15:51:59] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> square tablespoons per feet? [15:52:04] magnetron, let me be honest, not everybody has a formal training in criticial thinking, we know people who manipulate groups, so i just was alarmed by your stand, don't take it personally please [15:52:55] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> lukas, my stand was that the article was interesting. it challenged me as a supporter of marijuana legalization. [15:53:10] btw what is the percentage of population growing indoor canabis in us? i start to think that they must have contracts with energy like similar like the particle accelerators... [15:53:28] energy providers* similar like [15:53:35] *** b is now known as FAT64 [15:53:36] I don't think it's really up for debate that using lights indoors to grow pot is more wasteful than growing outside in sunlight. [15:53:44] That's pretty much cut and dried, there's no debate. [15:54:03] Given that, I'd say this "study" suggests only that growing pot outside should be legal. [15:54:13] lol [15:54:23] in fact nothing should be illegal, but that's a whole other story [15:54:59] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> Grits: that's actually exactly what the report says, literally. it's on the page i linked [15:55:11] super [15:55:16] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> Does this study support the case for criminalization? [15:55:18] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> No. In fact, many argue that criminalization is an important driver towards energy-intensive indoor production. [15:55:23] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> ^ from the page i linked [15:55:36] I still think the estimate of energy use is incredibly low, for many reasons. [15:56:00] One, not every grower gets 1g per watt, especially micro grows <1000 watts. [15:56:35] Two, not all growers are estimated, I'm sure the number of growers far exceeds anyone's reasonable guesses, because the reasonable guesses are presumably based on self-reporting. [15:56:55] At least I'm hoping they're not just using law enforcement "estimates". [15:57:09] They always overstate both the problems and their "success" dealing with them. [15:57:30] so one day they can give you too high numbers and the next day too low numbers [15:57:39] In short the pigs are all lying cocksuckers. [15:57:48] Nothing they say can be trusted. [15:58:28] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> agreed [16:00:53] a same result must be obtained independently by many entities before it can be considered as fact [16:02:18] -nobody- DNS_ has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [16:05:36] -nobody- DNS_ has joined on FREENODE [16:06:10] btw, i got a book with focus on wild eatable plants, another phd in botanics wrote it, he is a guy working on envinronment restoration, book is describing a thosuand of species in europe, canabis is there too, seems like people were in past growing that really often, it had great medical purpose, was used to feed animals, etc. he names not growing this plant a stupidity litterally [16:06:54] it was like one of basic plants used by famers here [16:14:39] -nobody- DNS_ has quit FREENODE (Changing host) [16:14:41] -nobody- DNS_ has joined on FREENODE [16:14:42] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v DNS_ [16:15:08] i'm reading now they were making oil out of it and eating it as vegetable too, everybody was eating that, according to that book historical records say that in one kitchen of just one church they were using 2 000 kg of it a year [16:16:10] ok, a brotherhood would be better translation than church [16:19:11] ha, they used grains as well to feed home grown birds because it was working as some kind of procreation stimulant and therfore they were getting more eggs [16:21:00] (they could ofc just belive in it and reflect that in books) [16:21:26] and seems like in Japan it's still in use as an ingridient of kitchen herb mix called shichimi togarashi [16:28:44] magnetron, have you seen maybe this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbCKLr_vHhY ? [16:29:06] ,title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbCKLr_vHhY [16:29:07] lukas: YouTube - Pt. 1/10 - What Youve Been Missing - Ep. 1 - Exposing The Noble Lie - WYBM [16:51:22] -nobody- DNS_ has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [16:52:37] -nobody- DNS_ has joined on FREENODE [16:52:51] -nobody- DNS_ has quit FREENODE (Changing host) [16:52:53] -nobody- DNS_ has joined on FREENODE [16:52:54] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v DNS_ [16:53:11] *** Quits: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-vjp1t3.cust.telenor.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [17:02:37] *** Joins: jscinoz (jscinoz@RBOSE-rdhsrj.tpgi.com.au) [17:05:14] -nobody- DNS_ has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [17:09:01] -nobody- DNS_ has joined on FREENODE [17:22:51] -nobody- DNS_ has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [17:24:06] -nobody- DNS_ has joined on FREENODE [17:44:42] 00http://www.abb.com/cawp/abbzh254/fcfbdad9a72cfe08c1257862006bcfbf.aspx [17:44:43] URL Title: Pictures and videos [17:45:32] Coolest manufacturing robot of today [17:47:14] what's so cool about it [17:51:33] *** Joins: Diago_____ (Diago@RBOSE-njq.nq9.84.186.IP) [17:52:19] I just think it looks ripping, just mount it on a table and give it a 1000 piece puzzle or rubik's cube 4.0 [17:52:19] :D [17:52:41] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-hkm.mnb.28.41.IP) [17:52:50] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-hkm.mnb.28.41.IP) (Connection closed) [17:53:44] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-hkm.mnb.28.41.IP) [18:10:31] oh yeah Kimsan [18:10:39] several degrees of freedom :) [18:33:46] -nobody- DNS_ has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [18:37:11] -nobody- DNS_ has joined on FREENODE [18:38:28] -nobody- DNS_ has quit FREENODE (Changing host) [18:38:29] -nobody- DNS_ has joined on FREENODE [18:38:30] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v DNS_ [18:42:50] -nobody- DNS_ has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [18:43:22] -nobody- DNS_ has joined on FREENODE [18:46:27] =_= [18:49:36] ,_, [18:49:37] FAT64: Error: "_," is not a valid command. [18:49:39] I know [18:49:43] my smileys are not welcome here [18:50:39] Kimsan: one should reverseengineer one of them robots, open source the hardware concept, and then bam! we can hast assembly line. [18:50:57] well, the hard part might be to get hold of the precision servos/steppers inside but :) [18:57:14] *** Joins: humanity (qwebirc@RBOSE-5mo.gmc.7.107.IP) [19:01:02] *** Quits: Antilect (Antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [19:02:49] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysticism [19:02:51] URL Title: Mysticism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [19:04:58] http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2065049,00.html [19:04:59] URL Title: Kepler satellite and citizen planet hunters - TIME [19:05:09] .hello RBOSE [19:05:15] peeps! 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To learn more about the news system go to http://rbose.org/wiki/News [20:14:32] *** Joins: Ved (qwebirc@RBOSE-97l8gs.col.wideopenwest.com) [20:14:41] *** Quits: Ved (qwebirc@RBOSE-97l8gs.col.wideopenwest.com) (Quit: Page closed) [20:19:25] *** Joins: iamme2 (iamme@RBOSE-0kk.74u.29.41.IP) [20:20:51] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-hkm.mnb.28.41.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [20:21:10] -nobody- OberstHackel has joined on FREENODE [20:31:15] \0/ [20:36:51] are you guys watching the fall out? [20:37:09] anticultist brought them down single handedly it seems [20:37:21] the cracks arealdy existed of course [20:37:34] i liked the part about he should have kids move here and experiemnt on them part hahah [20:39:47] huh [20:39:56] hi diogenez1 [20:40:03] no i did not watch it [20:40:18] i thought C-rasio said different [20:40:25] V-radio [20:40:48] http://v-radioblog.blogspot.com/ [20:40:55] lol [20:40:57] sorry! [20:41:04] ha!ha!ha! [20:41:11] i forgot [20:41:49] ,smack humanity [20:41:49] * rBOTse smacks humanity with a tomato [20:41:52] :D [20:44:46] :/ [20:44:55] !globalban humanity [20:44:55] ACTION globalbans humanity with a timemachine, setted to 20.12.2012 [20:45:01] !lol [20:45:01] RANDOM: http://youtube.com/watch?v=W9_DQjQbtTY [20:47:04] WHAT?! [20:47:05] are we all trolls now [20:47:26] trollz dont exist [20:48:01] not so sure Viper [20:48:05] lol jk [20:48:06] :> [20:49:02] hahah [20:49:17] reminds of of a certain movement [20:49:57] please dont TRASH this channel [20:50:01] Thank you :D [20:50:13] you are paying attention though ? [20:50:32] umm [20:50:34] because you guys have alreaddy been pegged for it [20:50:40] so i hear them say [20:50:48] its friday.. we so excited! [20:50:49] and it is a reason to celibrate [20:50:52] lol [20:50:56] exactly [20:51:16] he didn't make the list... [20:51:33] but we will throw this resource based term away [20:51:38] he admitd his mental health is failing [20:51:53] open source environment ? [20:51:56] we already did but not everywhere is this info [20:52:08] research base for open source environment [20:52:12] :) [20:52:25] i think it is important to work with a wide range of groups that do stuff that coincides [20:52:34] like there are anarchist networks in every city [20:52:48] there are open source consortiums around the world [20:52:55] the pirate party [20:53:02] the brights movement [20:53:03] earth first [20:53:08] anti racist action [20:53:14] i mean the list goes on of potential allies [20:53:18] i dont know what i should think of those terms anarchist, atheist and such as [20:53:35] and that we as a decentralized networks can form a larger federation with concensus process decision making tools [20:53:39] i dont like them becuz they basically say nothin but create a category/seperation [20:53:41] i think that is a Major priority [20:53:48] Free Technology Free Culture!!!!! [20:53:50] to make a system for dirrect democracy for a peer group [20:54:00] fuck democracy [20:54:17] then you will loose if you say that [20:54:26] it is about non violence dirrect action [20:54:27] i like to share [20:54:30] and resistance to the mainstream culture [20:54:32] :) [20:54:36] i dont care about loosing [20:54:45] and when we use dirrect democracy witch is NOT majorirt or minority rule pollitics [20:54:45] would some1 like to test last gnash ? [20:54:51] there is no sollution by win win [20:55:01] but [20:55:03] but on trisquel or ubuntu maverick x86 [20:55:04] Share Share :D [20:55:12] :) [20:55:18] anybody using Palemoon [20:55:23] its 25% faster than firefox [20:55:25] i cant compile fast enough [20:55:26] a dirrivative of it [20:55:33] that is the beauty of open source forks [20:55:35] the gnash dev team makes so many commoits [20:55:36] lol [20:55:37] DNS only 64 bit here [20:55:37] :D [20:55:47] *commits [20:56:19] diogenez1 i know pirateparty. But i am not sure if they can change anything [20:56:43] Politics dont change/control Corporations do [20:57:22] `fortune [20:57:23] Viper: A horse! A horse! My kingdom for a horse! -- Wm. Shakespeare, "Richard III" [20:57:30] 0_o [20:57:48] so one or 2 ? lol [20:57:49] ,quote random [20:57:49] DNS: Quote #164: "It is now highly feasible to take care of everybody on Earth at a higher standard of living than any have ever known. It no longer has to be you or me. Selfishness is unnecessary. War is obsolete. It is a matter of converting the high technology from weaponry to livingry. ~ Buckminster Fuller" (added by Kebap at 05:13 PM, January 28, 2011) [20:59:10] ,quote random [20:59:10] Viper: Quote #152: "The worst thing to call somebody is crazy, it's dismissive. ~ Dave Chappelle" (added by BranManFloMore at 01:51 AM, November 16, 2010) [20:59:24] ,quote random [20:59:24] Viper: Quote #30: "Creating your own blog is about as easy as creating your own urine, and you're about as likely to find someone else interested in it. ~ Hal Faber" (added by dns at 02:36 AM, August 04, 2010) [20:59:35] lol [20:59:36] ,quote random [20:59:36] Viper: Quote #77: "The environment is everything that isn't me. ~ Albert Einstein" (added by dns at 12:35 AM, August 05, 2010) [21:00:44] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQDA12ZV2nU&feature=related [21:00:45] You4Tube 2[Title] Dr. Andrew Weil on The Worst Diet 2[Category] People 2[Duration] 0:02:52 2[Views] 41816 2[Rating] 4.46 2[Uploaded] 2007-07-24 2[Description] Dr. Andrew Weil thinks of what the worst diet would possibly be, with a surprise ending. This video is from his "Eating Well for Optimum Health" DVD. [21:00:46] this is good [21:01:12] Viper you are a pessimistic? [21:01:20] the Pirate party have change stuff [21:01:28] are you watching Sweeden Germany or Belgium ? [21:01:44] 50% of the vote under 30 [21:01:48] 2 EU MEPS [21:02:28] 11% of the german vote. the most world wide single issue (the most imporant issue the owning of ideas) if we don't challenge this we loose or freedom to inovate and source from existing knowledge [21:02:37] and the Brights movement is extreemly important [21:02:42] especialy in USA [21:02:57] as the 16% of the population states they hold a natural worldview [21:03:05] the largest minority group [21:04:01] there is no freedom diogenez1 [21:19:48] *** Quits: iamme2 (iamme@RBOSE-0kk.74u.29.41.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [21:24:14] voting is irrelevant [21:25:59] voting LOL [21:29:18] Development summary for last 24 hours: [21:29:20] 3 activities in the pms http://pms.rbose.org/activity [21:29:21] To stay updated in real time join #developers #mumble #news #pms and #wiki channels. To learn more about the news system go to http://rbose.org/wiki/News [21:33:37] Of the history of shitty moods, this takes the price. [21:41:49] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj8rMwdQf6k [21:41:50] You4Tube 2[Title] Peter Schiff Mortgage Bankers Speech Nov/13/06 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 1:12:41 2[Views] 104581 2[Rating] 4.88 2[Uploaded] 2009-09-25 2[Description] My Mortgage Bankers Speech from Nov 13th 2006 is now in one video clip. I gave this presentation at the the Western Regional Mortgage Bankers Conference in Las Vegas. There were over 2,000 mortgage bankers in attendance. 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