[00:00:08] http://rbose.org/wiki/CAD [00:00:09] URL Title: CAD - RBOSE [00:00:27] and probably there is already more [00:00:52] do you know somebody who does not warez <--- i'd say many people here, just like myself, has not one bit of proprietary crap on their systems. [00:01:21] * Caly is reading up [00:01:38] exactly Caly [00:02:13] -nobody- magnetron has quit FREENODE (Quit: Lämnar) [00:02:17] sorry guys, but i really don't get how people want to be free without making the effort to change the habits [00:02:19] WORD! [00:03:14] seems like most people who start writing open source software (when there are closed software available) does just this. Refuses to use it and try to MAKE some better alternative :D [00:03:34] DNS> windows is the opposite of being compatible [00:03:34] that is an opinion <----Nopt really, no. [00:03:47] that's as close to a fact as you get [00:04:24] i must admit to using some proprietry stuff (necessary evil right now), but i keep it safely quarentined in a virtualbox. [00:04:38] one day i won't need it. :) [00:04:47] photoshop? [00:05:03] autocad [00:05:08] oh [00:05:23] nothing quite compares to it yet, but some programs are getting closer. [00:05:25] blend it :D [00:05:30] god no [00:05:41] i love blender, but it's got nothing in that area [00:05:47] same with nurbs [00:05:52] so primitive [00:06:04] blender is a very good polygon modeller [00:06:05] the only thing m$ has any grip on regarding "majority" is the PÅC market, wich is shrinking almost as fast as the others are growing [00:06:19] PAC? [00:06:24] exuses to why use evil is not solution, CREATING is [00:06:26] PC*? [00:08:11] lukas: i do my best, but i can't write an open source autocad just yet. :) [00:08:47] we are talking about engeineering here thou ... drafting and design for the production of real word stuffs ... me and maxvagabond ---> Caly: I've been playing with blender again. (got tired of rhino). [00:08:49] ^^ [00:08:54] people should get pissed really about their crapy computers, how they waste resources, are letting to be abused, waste energy and time on running systems with backdoors and always look for up to date antivirus software - do they not have other life?! [00:09:23] http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html [00:09:24] URL Title: QCAD [00:09:39] Caly: i'm tired of rhino, but i'm not pretending blender can do what it can do [00:09:49] http://brlcad.org/ [00:09:50] URL Title: BRL-CAD | Open Source Solid Modeling [00:09:54] or audio cd to mp3 lame <--- OGG is etter quality, better compression, better everything, why use the acient MP3 crap? [00:10:08] Caly: flac ftw [00:10:17] just try to review code from cracked software... are people blind like religious extremists? how they trust such crap? [00:10:47] lukas i was blind in past :P [00:10:59] DNS: that brl-cad is interesting. it's not nurbs, but i'm quite interested in solid modelling so i might have a play with it [00:11:16] diogenez i was on M$ too. Not so very long time a go [00:11:17] maybe they crack it but they have no blind idea what they rum, how naive this is? [00:11:30] run* [00:11:35] Now i move to GNU/Linux much faser and i have more time :D [00:13:53] photoshop? <--- i ran a BUSINESS based on graphic work, mainly adobe then, but i switched to GIMP and got more satisfied customers xD [00:14:14] :P [00:14:48] just helping people who develope open source software (with tips, ideas etc) is very valuable. I wonder how much people actually care about giving input and helping to sort out things they dont like :D [00:15:13] bugreport or feature-request everything! :D [00:15:25] to add to that, i had a AMD Athlon XP 1800+ with 1gb memopry, and i still ran photoshop smoother and faster on my old Pentium 3 450mHz 256mb RAM under Ubuntu/Wine [00:15:26] its great fun, to see those things implemented later [00:15:59] for clarity, we all created RBOSE to leave the proprietary crap behind and not waste time on it, because we create and see other options, they work for some of us for more than half of our lives, so please respect this, if that doesn't work for "you" maybe it's time to stop playing games and think what you do for leaving since it's enslaving you clearly [00:16:05] PAC? sry, PC market, yeah. [00:16:22] ah [00:18:03] their whole existense is soon to be obsolete. [00:18:19] i mean.. tabs, smartphones, home entertainment systems.. [00:18:32] there are fkn TV's running linux now! [00:18:51] and all the upcoming cloud services... mmm ==)) [00:18:55] http://sierrapermaculture.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/JS-Peak-Oil.gif [00:19:12] i think android is an interesting one. there are a lot of people now using a linux derivative without even realising just yet. [00:20:01] check this one maxvagabond :) http://www.focus.com/fyi/information-technology/50-places-linux-running-you-might-not-expect/ [00:20:11] maxvagabond: yeah, sure [00:20:55] that would be an interesting conversation. someone asks you about this "linux" thing that you use on your computer and you can just point at their android phone and tell them that they use it too. [00:21:07] diogenez: that timescale is a bit off. [00:21:31] according toi that graph, i'd say we live in the year 2030... [00:21:36] facebook runs linux LOL [00:21:51] kalken: haha, yeah, ofc, the founder was a haxxor [00:21:52] google does [00:21:59] even M$ runs GNU/Linux [00:22:03] haha [00:22:07] yeah [00:22:15] if google runs on linux then *everyone* on the internet uses linux. :) [00:22:17] foss-washing xD [00:22:28] maxvagabond: yep! [00:23:38] interesting link lukas. very encouraging. [00:23:53] google monitors you more than a secret agency [00:23:57] ?? google [00:23:59] google: sux [00:24:01] :D [00:24:07] bing.com runs on linux [00:24:25] !w duckduckgo [00:24:31] DuckDuckGo | DuckDuckGo is a search engine based in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania that uses information from crowd-sourced sites (like Wikipedia) with the aim of augmenting traditional results and improving relevance. The search engine philosophy emphasizes privacy and does not record user information. @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duckduckgo [00:24:33] !w scroogle [00:24:36] Criticism of Google | Google is a corporation that compiles information and makes it searchable via the Internet. Google's stated mission is "to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful," but this mission, and the means used to accomplish it, have raised concerns among the company's critics. The policies and practices for which Google has been criticized include its [00:24:37] use of others' intellectual property, concerns that its compilation of data may violate people's privacy, censorship of search results, and the energy consumption of its servers. Much of the criticism of Google pertains to issues that have not yet been addressed by cyber law. @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Google [00:25:13] maxvagabond, and this one: http://www.top500.org/stats/list/36/osfam [00:25:25] URL Title: Operating system Family share for 11/2010 | TOP500 Supercomputing Sites [00:26:44] lukas: oh yeah, we're running that one. :) [00:27:25] "The only reason why some people stop using rotarry phones is that they cannot buy them anymore." TED Talks - that is what is waiting proprietary crap [00:34:16] indeed [00:34:40] brl cad is very interesting. you just have a bunch of primitive shape and add and subtract them from each other to carve new shapes. more realistic than polygon modelling and not as flaky and weird as nurbs. [00:34:54] kinda like autodesk inventor. [00:34:55] lukas: i guess population growth was the issue there, as those rotary phones never ever broke... [00:35:19] can't say that about any modern crap sadly =( [00:35:29] but hey, OSH will fix that too =P [00:35:42] yeah Caly :D [00:53:38] hi [00:54:14] hi FAT64 :) [00:55:08] 08<06Out`Of`Control@FREENODE08> Hey Fat64! [00:55:54] you guys are looking forward to summer? [00:56:06] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [00:56:21] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-r9phbn.bredband.skanova.com) (Connection closed) [00:58:32] FAT64, it was 25°C in Germany and 21°C here already yesterday and today, so we got a bit of summer, at least exactly this way it looked outside :) [00:58:52] but yes :) [00:58:56] haha yeah. nice [00:59:14] any projects started? [01:00:26] ? [01:00:30] ?? projects [01:00:31] projects: RBOSE Projects: http://rbose.org/wiki/Projects [01:00:52] I'm for example going to help build a hause from strawbales within days, but working mostly beside that on the webcore and would like to find finally time to make use of arduino [01:00:57] Fat64 can you join mumble? [01:01:10] aha. at a party... sorry [01:01:32] house sounds great . built bwfore? [01:02:22] not a such one, bus got my hands dirty with parts of other constructions [01:04:47] ah [01:05:03] will you build it yourself? [01:06:22] i will be just one of people involved in that [01:06:41] okey :) [01:19:39] can we start some new windows projects? 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