[00:16:03] data ppl? [00:16:04] lol [00:16:11] hi all :) [00:16:16] hi viper [00:16:17] :D [00:16:59] :) [00:19:11] I am horny for data [00:24:43] lol [00:24:53] fat64 you checked out weechat? [00:24:58] :D [00:24:58] nope :< [00:25:06] it has remote function too [00:25:12] hm [00:25:20] I remote all the time :D [00:25:21] mo0h [00:25:21] screen -rd [00:25:27] i like this client [00:25:30] (: [00:25:31] cool beans! [01:01:18] * DNS is playing 08Action Packed [length: 5:12 min, frequency: 44.1 khz, bitrate: 97 kbps] [01:01:22] :D [01:01:24] lol [01:02:06] schnapple! [01:03:02] nah its raw fusion [01:03:07] xD [01:03:43] it's raw alright! [02:03:07] http://www.viceland.com/wp/2011/05/forever-alone-involuntary-flashmob/ [02:03:08] URL Title: FOREVER ALONE INVOLUNTARY FLASHMOB Ť Viceland.com [02:03:36] DNS: your not data? [02:03:41] DNS: computah man [02:05:01] computah man that's all he can. [02:06:02] forevel alone with the data light, in the dataroom, the data is right. [02:09:07] lol [02:11:30] xD [02:14:56] `fortune [02:14:57] Viper: I have never let my schooling interfere with my education. -- Mark Twain [02:15:04] :D [02:16:24] *** Joins: Deb (deb@RBOSE-bsp.k3a.168.192.IP) [02:18:03] popping popcorn to corny 80's pop [02:18:45] nice with tracks that are discoish, but not really disco, disco-not-disco stuff. [02:19:47] *** Quits: Antilect (Markus@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) (Quit: ) [02:20:00] *** Quits: Deb (deb@RBOSE-bsp.k3a.168.192.IP) (Connection closed) [02:22:43] `fortune [02:22:44] scrdcow: Q: Why did Menachem Begin invade Lebanon? A: To impress Jodie Foster. [02:23:17] to lame to get it. [02:23:21] `fortune [02:23:21] scrdcow: "Elves and Dragons!" I says to him. "Cabbages and potatoes are better for you and me." -- J. R. R. Tolkien [02:23:39] true. [02:25:53] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutabaga - hooray for the swedes [02:25:54] URL Title: Rutabaga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [03:02:44] `fortune [03:02:46] scrdcow: You will stop at nothing to reach your objective, but only because your brakes are defective. [03:03:35] `fortune [03:03:36] scrdcow: You get along very well with everyone except animals and people. [03:03:44] `fortune [03:03:45] scrdcow: Tomorrow, this will be part of the unchangeable past but fortunately, it can still be changed today. [03:03:51] `fortune [03:03:52] scrdcow: Tomorrow, this will be part of the unchangeable past but fortunately, it can still be changed today. [03:03:54] `fortune [03:03:54] scrdcow: When angry, count four; when very angry, swear. -- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar" [03:04:16] oh, what are the odds of that. same fortune twice. [03:04:31] `fortune [03:04:31] scrdcow: Courage is your greatest present need. 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It can only be achieved by understanding. ~ Albert Einstein" (added by dns at 10:59 PM, August 03, 2010) [04:33:22] *** Quits: jscinoz_ (jscinoz@RBOSE-rdhsrj.tpgi.com.au) (Connection closed) [04:33:23] *** Joins: jscinoz (jscinoz@RBOSE-rdhsrj.tpgi.com.au) [04:40:02] *** Quits: jscinoz (jscinoz@RBOSE-rdhsrj.tpgi.com.au) (Connection closed) [04:42:45] *** Joins: jscinoz (jscinoz@RBOSE-rdhsrj.tpgi.com.au) [05:25:35] *** Joins: dLrG (DeLrge@RBOSE-bpkesh.tbcn.telia.com) [05:32:34] *** Quits: DeLrge (DeLrge@RBOSE-bpkesh.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [06:12:23] *** Joins: DeLrge (DeLrge@RBOSE-bpkesh.tbcn.telia.com) [06:18:34] *** Quits: dLrG (DeLrge@RBOSE-bpkesh.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [07:36:16] 02<03megatron@FREENODE02> So obama is speeding up the oil drilling in alaska. Oil that could be used over centuries for high-tech, medicine, research and even a colonization of mars or the moon. But instead it's all pumped up in a few decades to make driving a Hummer cheaper [07:36:16] *** Quits: DeLrge (DeLrge@RBOSE-bpkesh.tbcn.telia.com) (Connection closed) [07:37:04] *** Joins: DeLrge (DeLrge@RBOSE-bpkesh.tbcn.telia.com) [09:13:40] *** Joins: dLrG (DeLrge@RBOSE-bpkesh.tbcn.telia.com) [09:20:34] *** Quits: DeLrge (DeLrge@RBOSE-bpkesh.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [09:34:10] *** Joins: kman_ (kman@RBOSE-qqvue8.mobileonline.telia.com) [10:03:15] *** Quits: kman_ (kman@RBOSE-qqvue8.mobileonline.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [10:37:39] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-9o0.m5c.30.41.IP) [11:08:09] *** Joins: Antilect (Markus@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) [11:12:22] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-9o0.m5c.30.41.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [11:39:35] 02<03megatron@FREENODE02> Looking to buy hydroton in sweden, for a hydroponic window farm [11:40:25] 02<03megatron@FREENODE02> don't know where to get it [12:28:34] *** Joins: DeLrge (DeLrge@RBOSE-bpkesh.tbcn.telia.com) [12:34:34] *** Quits: dLrG (DeLrge@RBOSE-bpkesh.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [12:34:34] *** Quits: kalken (default@RBOSE-n5glvl.bredband.comhem.se) (Connection closed) [12:36:07] -nobody- kalken has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [13:37:34] 13:37 [14:06:53] *** Quits: DeLrge (DeLrge@RBOSE-bpkesh.tbcn.telia.com) (Connection closed) [14:07:30] *** Joins: DeLrge (DeLrge@RBOSE-bpkesh.tbcn.telia.com) [14:28:31] *** Joins: dLrG (DeLrge@RBOSE-bpkesh.tbcn.telia.com) [14:35:04] *** Quits: DeLrge (DeLrge@RBOSE-bpkesh.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [14:59:42] *** Joins: LibreMan (quassel@RBOSE-ri7eb6.95-103-72.t-com.sk) [15:01:45] -nobody- megatron has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [15:51:00] `fortune [15:51:00] scrdcow: Today's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why. -- Hunter S. Thompson [15:57:53] `fortune [15:57:53] scrdcow: Q: Why did the germ cross the microscope? A: To get to the other slide. [15:58:00] `fortune [15:58:02] scrdcow: "... an experienced, industrious, ambitious, and often quite often picturesque liar." -- Mark Twain [15:58:06] `fortune [15:58:06] scrdcow: Do something unusual today. Pay a bill. [15:58:24] `fortune [15:58:25] scrdcow: Q: What is green and lives in the ocean? A: Moby Pickle. [15:58:30] hmm, maybe i forgot to pay my rent. [15:59:41] `fortune [15:59:41] scrdcow: If you think last Tuesday was a drag, wait till you see what happens tomorrow! [15:59:51] `fortune [15:59:52] scrdcow: Your depth of comprehension may tend to make you lax in worldly ways. [16:00:33] Hey scrdcow [16:00:49] hello [16:00:51] `fortune [16:00:51] scrdcow: What good is an obscenity trial except to popularize literature? -- Nero Wolfe, "The League of Frightened Men" [16:00:54] Viper: zup? [16:01:03] `fortune [16:01:03] scrdcow: You will gain money by an immoral action. [16:01:11] good [16:01:15] how are you? [16:01:23] fine [16:01:29] how is the weather? [16:01:31] ;-) [16:03:27] its getting cold [16:03:37] yes, a bit here also. [16:03:42] stay inside and data. [16:12:20] data? [16:12:36] it will be raining today i think [16:45:21] Viper: how to say computer in swedish in a way that sounds ugly for people growing up in the 80's [16:46:24] Viper: usually people use it in an ironic way. unless they are younger. [16:49:44] huh [16:50:00] i dont speak swedish [16:50:08] hard to explain.. [16:50:27] yes I know. but thought you would get it anyway because of the meaning in english [16:51:12] whatever. i'm just tired, didn't think it through. [16:51:15] :-) [16:55:29] looks like Aqua@home work for D Wave and D wave work for google and some bankers LOL [16:58:16] what is aqua@home and d wave? [16:58:31] work for bankers? what is this world comming to!!! [16:58:54] its BOINC project [16:59:10] ah [16:59:14] looking it up. [16:59:37] they are cheating and people buy that crap [16:59:54] who is cheating? [17:00:44] BOINC [17:01:31] " I have never let my schooling interfere with my education. -- Mark Twain" Nice one [17:02:19] Viper: cheating in what way, and uh.. cheating? how can you cheat in calculating algorithms? [17:03:20] scrdcow bankers calculate how to cheat, make more $.... [17:03:55] Viper: you mean they use the algorithms that aqua@home calculate? [17:04:01] yep [17:04:16] Viper: for bad stuff, in our eyes. [17:04:49] ah ok. I just thought about that. how can you make stuff open and free and try to stear clear of people using it in ways you don't like. [17:05:12] BOINC is open source. But none see data [17:05:21] what they calculate [17:06:30] so they create supercluster free lol [17:06:46] ah, then no need to participate if you don't get back of your computerlabor. [17:07:01] better to render giant penises in 3d and put on youtube instead [17:07:59] scrdcow we can set up ANYTHING@BOINC and use cpu power to hack other PC's none will find out [17:08:05] but if they hade some kind of free license it would be nice. [17:08:25] Viper: well.. it's not like you just create an account and go at it? [17:08:26] server and client program is OpenSource [17:08:30] yes you can [17:08:41] well ofcourse. [17:08:44] download server Boinc and set it up. Then spam people [17:08:44] in that case. [17:08:46] yes [17:09:04] thought they had some kind of central service thingie for their projects. [17:09:10] and say its Open Source to grow better food or Clean up Air. Make some dias lol [17:09:17] hehe [17:09:28] so.. what shall we calculate? [17:09:33] Make some stupid graphics and so on [17:09:52] could this actually bu used for something good? [17:09:56] be* [17:09:57] Yes [17:10:01] like? [17:10:18] (I mean, ofcourse I know it can, but can you think of anything...) [17:10:21] its like you have lots of CPU [17:10:33] I know.. but what shall we calculate? [17:10:45] what do we need lots of cpu power for? :-) [17:11:17] generate some models of buildings or weather forecast [17:11:37] but models of buildings have to be drawn. it needs creativity a computer don't have. [17:11:52] unless you want to live in an algoritmic rendered building ;-) [17:12:00] make some script and input data then draw it with CPU power [17:12:04] I don't care much for weather forecast. but a nice idea. [17:12:17] you mean for rendering stuff? sure. [17:12:26] not something that seems really important. [17:12:40] How much land you need to grow food. What kind of food [17:12:42] would be nice thou if you could make a platform and run different tasks together. [17:12:50] You can make it more advance then use CPU power [17:13:05] lika a more versatile cluster for people with low computer power. to help out people trying to leave cheaply. [17:13:11] live* [17:13:38] with a good server we can set up our own boinc project :D [17:13:46] Viper: calculations like that you do easily by yourself and it's based on knowing how much you need also. I don't see a cluster need for that. [17:13:57] Viper: and you can't calculate what food you want to grow. [17:14:07] Viper: it's all upp to the conditions and your own needs/wants. [17:14:16] scrdcow if its advance you need lots of CPU [17:14:26] Viper: but that stuff isn't. [17:14:39] depends on model [17:15:11] the model is you have to know your land, place, you have to pick what you like and want/need to eat, and you grow that. [17:15:54] I cannot see how a computer can calculate stuff like that at all, and even if it could somehow, I don't think it would need lots of cpu power. [17:16:28] ok but i do see [17:16:34] one thing I would like though is a giant databes of growable eatable etc plants. [17:16:38] database* [17:16:46] with lots of metainfo. [17:16:56] yeah i am thinking to make a vegan food DB [17:17:01] so you can do itricate queries. [17:17:07] intricate* [17:17:18] and nutritions [17:17:26] yes, would be nice. [17:17:44] ?? pms [17:17:44] pms[1]: Project Management Software: http://pms.rbose.org [17:17:46] pms[2]: PMS Wiki: http://rbose.org/wiki/Project_management_software [17:18:20] I was thinking of growing needs, what plants need etc, which type of soul, ph, water, space etc.. [17:18:36] so it could help in research and also be a lexicon of sourts. [17:18:38] sorts* [17:18:49] we could use boinc for that too lol [17:19:00] I don't see in what way. [17:19:21] it needs collecting of data (wikistyle or something). not much cpu power. [17:19:28] i think next week need to set up a meeting for vegan food DB [17:20:51] I would like to focus it on plants, and plants is vegan ofcourse. [17:21:00] growing and plants info. [17:21:17] it should help people to grow their own food alos. [17:21:20] also* [17:21:47] another thought I had, which in some parts already exsists is seed production. p2p seed production. [17:21:51] but it's a bit complicated. [17:22:20] yeah i need some good seeds too [17:22:20] *** Quits: LibreMan (quassel@RBOSE-ri7eb6.95-103-72.t-com.sk) (Connection closed) [17:22:23] in sweden we have a organisation called "sesam". people growing and sharing seeds. [17:22:23] not GMO crap [17:22:36] but the problem is, they grow themselves [17:22:40] and then share. [17:22:48] the problem with that is... [17:23:58] if you want to keep a genebank healthy and keep the strain (or whatever it's called) good you need lots of seeds. sesam doesn't seem to work together in that regard. so you need some way to organise it. [17:24:16] (my english sucks in this regard) [17:24:26] what i'm trying to say. it's not just growing some tomatoes and pick som seeds. [17:25:05] there is only one company in sweden that is growing seeds :-/ [17:25:11] and they are pretty small. [17:25:29] you mean that you need to grow all kind of stuff every year? [17:25:42] they can buy seeds from other growers. but many times they don't do it good enough. [17:26:03] Viper: no... I mean you need to keep a good genepool. [17:26:32] i see [17:26:42] Viper: you want specifik elements but you don't want to loose the genepool. you can't be to selective in the long run, you will have plants that can't cope etc. [17:26:49] specific* [17:27:14] Viper: the plants only have a specific "memory". [17:27:28] Viper: it will run out after a while. [17:27:52] Viper: so you need variation in the environment to make it strong etc. [17:28:06] Viper: and there is also things with growability. [17:29:53] Viper: this swedish company have land in portugal aswell. they grow stuff in sweden so it get's used to the climate here, take the seeds and grow in portugal for one year, I don't remember but, somehow the plants get changed and get higher growability. maybe because they can put more enerigy into producing good seeds. then they take it back to sweden and grow it there and sell it. this way it still remembers it's a swede and not a portugese ;-) [17:30:24] but growability rises alot. [17:31:57] interesting [17:32:21] Viper: and I have come to the conclusion that this is really needed, and a big thing. because why should you grow your own food if you can't do it when the system collapses because you can't get hold of seeds. [17:32:26] or the seeds isn't good enough. [17:32:49] you could do it out of environmental reasons ofcourse and to learn. but still you need the seeds. [17:33:16] so it would be nice if more and more growers got into growing seeds. but you have to do it right. and you need land ofcourse. [17:33:53] it easier with stuff that produce seeds inside the edible fruit etc. stuff that produces seeds the first year. but many things doesn't. [17:34:10] or that you actually eat the seeds. like with legumes. [17:34:56] -nobody- Kebap23 has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [17:37:08] many people are lazy also. it's much easier to just buy seeds for your carrots. instead of growing alot of extra carrots that you can't harvest because you want seeds. [17:39:13] *** Joins: kalken (default@RBOSE-cqfsh7.bredband.comhem.se) [17:40:24] Viper: I don't believe in companys being able to deliver seeds to us in the future, or maybe they don't want. etc. that's why. [17:40:30] *** Quits: Kebap (Max@RBOSE-4b87vv.adsl.alicedsl.de) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [17:40:31] *** Joins: Kebap (Max@RBOSE-g5n5cg.adsl.alicedsl.de) [17:40:58] -nobody- Kebap23 has joined on FREENODE [17:41:47] Viper: if they own alot of land and have a tight grip on the seed industry. it doesn't matter if people give up money or try to do other stuff. they have a tight pressure. so to be free we need to somehow have a complete livelyhood, and that means seeds also. [17:42:11] (ofcourse) [17:42:28] it's just that I haven't really thought about how important this is. [17:43:25] yeah [17:43:36] but sure, there is tons of stuff you can gather in the wild. and animals don't need specialised stuff. so in a crisis it's possible to make it perhaps. [17:43:38] scrdcow or maybe we need start eat other kind of food [17:43:48] Viper: like? [17:43:58] there is lots of stuff that grow all around us but we dont eat it. [17:44:11] Viper: yes, what I just said also :-D [17:44:14] Because none sell it lol [17:44:18] mm [17:44:40] we need both [17:46:28] lots of old skills needs to be learned [17:46:36] learn from the old [17:46:44] gtg [17:47:09] bye see yea later scrdcow [17:47:38] yesyes :-) [18:34:15] *** Joins: traph1 (traph@RBOSE-u62i2v.btc-net.bg) [18:34:15] *** Quits: traph (traph@RBOSE-u0m.rkk.10.46.IP) (Connection closed) [18:40:53] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-soj.rf8.29.41.IP) [18:57:02] *** Joins: LibreMan (quassel@RBOSE-ri7eb6.95-103-72.t-com.sk) [19:21:33] *** Joins: kman (kman@RBOSE-2a2nu0.mobileonline.telia.com) [19:24:38] *** Joins: lukas_ (lukas@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [19:38:05] *** Joins: Cyclo (Cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) [20:12:37] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-soj.rf8.29.41.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [20:25:59] *** Joins: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-i97fcv.biz.rr.com) [20:49:33] *** Joins: Antilect2 (Markus@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) [20:56:37] *** Quits: Antilect (Markus@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [20:57:46] *** Antilect2 is now known as Antilect [21:37:58] *** Quits: Ades- (andersburlin@RBOSE-5hj.9kd.99.82.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [21:46:52] Viper: wheezy kicks ass, hardly any problems after squeeze upgrade [21:47:01] so... does anyone here actually have arable land? [21:58:15] comotion: yes, but I don't own it. and I could always get more if needed. [22:00:03] scrdcow: nice :-) in portugal or sweden? [22:00:09] or maybe it's more agricultural land. [22:00:11] comotion: sweden [22:00:41] what about equipment to do something with the land? [22:00:52] I borrow that as of now. [22:00:58] what do you grow? [22:01:20] uh not much at all :-/ only garlic right now, except some stuff by the house. [22:01:47] I suck at getting stuff done. but planning on growing some beans and some asian leafy greens. [22:01:51] and some more. [22:01:59] but not the whole shebang. [22:02:20] I will have to learn more and get into it, getting things done etc. [22:03:33] comotion: others are growing here so I sometimes get stuff from them. [22:05:36] oh yeah, potatoes also. we have a collective spot for that. [22:09:03] scrdcow: cool... but doing things alone or are there more of you? also.. sounds like you're busy with other stuff [22:10:35] comotion: right now or generally? [22:11:27] comotion: it depends on what it is. my little garden is alone except the garlic. but the potatoes isn't. there could also be other, it depends on my involvement. before I have been growing more collectively. [22:12:26] comotion: but it was to far from here for me to actually get there on a daily basis sort of. was harder for me to get it done. easier when it's just outside the house, but I still fuck up ;-) [22:13:32] need a push to get it going, so collectively is easier if I live at the spot or people try to help me. but I don't like putting other in that situation. [22:14:00] yeah I can understand that [22:14:03] it's not that i'm lazy at all. i just get stuck.. with stuff... [22:14:30] the problem, as many people here have mentioned, is that we're all busy working to make money and that isn't really changing much [22:14:42] or get into stuff to much... having weird hours etc.. [22:15:01] oh? maybe you don't work scrdcow [22:15:08] *** Quits: lukas_ (lukas@RBOSE-gkfu2h) (Quit: ) [22:15:15] comotion: ah, yeah. but I don't do that. I have lots of time. but I am involved in other stuff aswell. [22:15:38] in any case I'm guessing you're like me Caly and many others I know ... too many projects too little time [22:15:50] comotion: only non-profit work. [22:15:56] how do you support yourself? [22:16:07] comotion: well. not really, just mentally. [22:16:08] if only non-profit work [22:16:18] mentally is what matters [22:16:19] comotion: welfare atm. [22:16:48] aha well [22:16:51] comotion: I tend to have alot of stuff I want to do, and plan, etc. but not all of it I do. trying to cut down on that so I will feel more free in my planning etc. [22:17:22] comotion: but even such a "simple" thing as cleaning my apartment can get me stuck for weeks. [22:17:29] cut down on planning? meh [22:17:34] *** Joins: Ades (andersburlin@RBOSE-5hj.9kd.99.82.IP) [22:17:41] not the best thing. planning for free time? better idea [22:17:56] comotion: no.. cut down on ideas in my head of stuff I need/want/have/to do. and instead just do stuff, the stuff I should be doing. [22:18:12] cleaning the appartment doesn't always get done.. so? if I die tomorrow am I really gonna say I wish I cleaned more? [22:18:29] *** Quits: kman (kman@RBOSE-2a2nu0.mobileonline.telia.com) (Connection closed) [22:18:36] comotion: well, you have to be able to live at the place and have it decent enough for guests. [22:18:41] *** Joins: kman (kman@RBOSE-2a2nu0.mobileonline.telia.com) [22:18:53] comotion: not cleaning for 1 year+ doesn't really cut it. it get's tiresome. [22:19:15] comotion: it's not like I try to clean ever week or even once per month. it all depends. [22:19:42] haha sure :-) it helps if the ppl you live with aren't slobs [22:19:58] have to move away from myself then ;-) [22:20:13] sometimes I procrastinate by cleaning, because it's the least hard thing I should be doing. anyways beside the point. [22:20:19] but.. i'm not a slob as in I do things slobby. but stuff gets dirty by time anyway. [22:20:46] I do that sometimes, but only when there is some other stuff I really really have to do, but is not doing. but usually anymore it doesn't work. [22:21:26] like 95% of my time perhaps is procrastination. I get into stuff rather randomly because of procrastination :-D [22:21:54] maybe not 95% but alot. [22:22:48] maybe I get into something... and a week goes by. [22:24:03] I can clean when I have important visits of people not used to my habits of semi-dirty/dirty living. [22:24:30] procrastination... hmm [22:24:44] but it's still hard. I can start two weeks before, but will not get it completly done until they arrive. [22:24:47] you know that there is something called good procrastination, right? [22:25:01] I have to have guests at good intervals. [22:25:13] comotion: what would you put in that category? [22:25:43] hold on, I will link you [22:25:45] http://paulgraham.com/procrastination.html [22:25:46] URL Title: Good and Bad Procrastination [22:25:48] comotion: myself I don't always see it as bad. but I feel that I want to do stuff i'm not doing and trying to get that focus on The Right Things is the problem. [22:26:08] comotion: in the long run I get fed up with not making it. [22:26:17] comotion: not being able to have that control that I want to. [22:26:38] scrdcow: sometimes you can't do The Right Things before you do the really small invisible things that are blocking you from doing The Right Things [22:26:54] control is an overrated lie that we tell ourselves [22:26:56] yes [22:27:23] well.. I do agree. but.. for me it's like it's to much. I just want to work like normal people, atleast a bit more. [22:27:41] people are conditioned by mass media to think that control is freedom and that they can micromanage their lives... a by-product of consumption. what people need is less control and more power in their lives [22:28:10] but wait a minute. Define "normal" and we'll go from there... [22:28:16] comotion: I would like to be able to have decent sleeping habits, be able to clean like once per month, ta always be able to cook food at right times etc.. like things to keep me going steady so that I can do other things. I don't want to collapse. [22:29:24] *** Quits: kman (kman@RBOSE-2a2nu0.mobileonline.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [22:30:48] in that text doing "something more important" i usually don't do. because that i wouldn't call procrastination, since I have much free time and can do whatever I want/need. [22:31:09] if I do the most important things, it's great. [22:31:54] scrdcow: sounds like a real independent. do you get out amongst other people? [22:32:13] oh, the part aftor that actually fits me sort of. [22:32:25] comotion: i'm not indepnedent since I get welfare. [22:32:30] comotion: yes [22:32:34] :D [22:32:55] comotion: but I also like being alone alot. [22:33:13] because what you are describing are some things that have been worrying me about myself as well (apart from the cleanliness, I clean when I can :) [22:33:17] comotion: 1on1 meetings is best, when you can really get into stuff. [22:33:30] comotion: what stuff has been worrying you? [22:33:54] sleeping/eating habits, collapse [22:34:12] i'm not that worried. I just don't want to just.. float around. [22:34:29] I was always forced to bed, always stayed up at night, always dead asleep in the morning, never woke up feeling fresh, ate at weird times [22:34:32] i want to be able to stear myself a bit more. [22:34:47] discipline? [22:34:58] so, less control, more power. [22:35:05] not just bounce around in my environment. feels like a flipper baal :-D [22:35:14] no, more control and thus more power. [22:35:19] imo. [22:35:41] sure... or the illusion of control at least :D [22:35:42] comotion: hehe, same here. but when I lived with my parents it was easier because they pushed me. [22:35:48] hehe [22:36:02] when I lived with my parents it was harder because they pushed me. [22:36:25] I do *not* believe that everyone's sleeping rhythm has to be normalized [22:36:26] "go to bed!" 1h later "please go to bed!" 1h later "it's the middle of the night!! YOU HAVE TO GO TO BED!" ETC.. [22:36:39] no no not me either. [22:36:56] indeed I belive there is sufficient evidence to show that some people *must* be awake at night... someone had to keep watch when everyone else was sleeping [22:37:05] I just want to be able to control it more. [22:37:06] genetic predispositions [22:38:08] i'm not aiming for "normalization" because I don't believe in that and don't believe I could become that. [22:38:09] I work best at night, and worst in the morning. I have 30+ hour days where the agreed upon norm is 24hours. if I could move timezones everyday it would make me super happy [22:38:16] I just want to be better at the problem I have. [22:38:36] problems* [22:38:43] hehe [22:38:53] I have had that alot, 30+ hours [22:38:56] err. days [22:38:57] ... so try to work with your strengths and around your problems: [22:39:02] but I shift all the time [22:39:03] hire a house keeper [22:39:22] I don't have money for that, and I don't like people cleaning around my things. [22:39:42] neither did/do I, but it saved time and made for cleaner living [22:39:45] I have actually been offered help from the state/commune I live in, but I have denied it. [22:39:51] and saved time is money [22:40:10] but I could hire whoever I want to help me. just pick a friend. that would work. [22:40:24] and they would pay. [22:40:31] in today's society we've fired all the assistants, coffee fetchers, secretaries and house keepers. I believe that's a bad mistake [22:40:42] we have not. [22:40:52] we have here [22:40:57] in sweden it's the other way around. [22:41:12] because you can get a tax exempt. [22:41:46] so rich people get alot of house help. [22:42:06] get a house keeper and get to know him/her a bit. you get loyalty and it's not a stranger rummaging through your stuff. in exchange they have something to do and you have more time and are less worried about the dirt [22:42:09] i'm not rich by any means. but are entitled to some help still. [22:42:26] rich people do get a lot of help [22:42:30] comotion: I can't get a housekeeper. but I can get one that helps me get going. [22:42:39] comotion: that is what they can offer me. [22:43:01] that usually helps. now I have friends that do that sometimes. [22:43:25] so I would like to hire a friend for that. and they will pay him/her. [22:43:28] I'm not trying to talk you into anything here :D it just sounds like you could take government money and give it to someone who needs it, in exchange for services rendered to YOU. a win-win-win situation if you ask me [22:43:40] have to think that through. [22:44:00] comotion: I know. I just want to say that some things are not possible for me because I don't have the money etc.. [22:44:29] comotion: you don't get that much money. [22:44:47] comotion: it will also promote extreme wage slave conditions. [22:44:56] comotion: which I don't like. [22:45:18] comotion: so better that they pay someone that helps me decent salary. [22:46:10] comotion: I can save up some money every month, but it's not much. usually people can't save up anything at all or they actually go broke and have to borrow from friends etc. but I live rather cheaply. [22:46:33] (but could do better) [22:49:22] "Others, like mowing the lawn, or filing tax returns, only get worse if you put them off. In principle it shouldn't work to put off the second kind of errand. You're going to have to do whatever it is eventually. Why not (as past-due notices are always saying) do it now?" yes, that's the problem :-D [22:50:55] but enough about this. [22:50:59] comotion: still around? [22:56:30] *** Joins: auue (qwebirc@RBOSE-83c9hp.adsl.tpnet.pl) [22:57:05] scrdcow: yeah :-D [22:57:25] ok [22:57:45] what where we talking about... [22:58:08] comotion: where do you live? [22:58:09] I am in my head working on a way to get this RBE thing started at least for me and the people I know [22:58:12] Oslo [22:58:21] comotion: ah, kempegodt! [22:58:23] (or something) [22:58:25] and hence the questions about architecture [22:58:39] architecture? [22:58:40] yeah kjempegodt.. I dunno I am rather ambivalent about Oslo [22:58:46]