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[00:33:58] <Viper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-DM_Inxtzg
[04:37:27] <scrdcow> hello dudes
[04:44:30] <scrdcow> information junkfood <3
[04:44:31] <scrdcow> ;-)
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[21:12:54] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> Hello
[21:13:12] <lukas_> hi :)
[21:13:22] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> You people seen whats going on at #takethesquare ?
[21:13:45] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> also https://n-1.cc/pg/groups/104127/take-the-square-international/
[21:13:47] <rBOTse> URL Title: N-1: Take the square - International
[21:14:04] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> thought it might be of interest....
[21:14:38] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> and this in particular.
[21:14:41] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> http://takethesquare.net/content/hackers-world-unite
[21:14:42] <rBOTse> URL Title: Hackers of the World-- Unite | Take the Square!
[21:17:36] <lukas_> i see it first time, looks interesting, need to read about it
[21:20:27] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> ha, yeah sorry for the mega-barrage of links..... my memory kept kicking in after I typed.
[21:22:20] <lukas_> reading the website... democracy and consensus? how that can work together since in characteristic of democracy we may find majority rule?
[21:27:27] <lukas_> i guess you need free and open source designs of caravans? ;)
[21:27:52] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> caravans?
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[21:29:51] <lukas_> i meant this: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Travel_trailer
[21:29:52] <rBOTse> URL Title: Travel trailer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[21:31:23] <lukas_> qwebirc71685, do you have a link maybe to larger version of this image https://n-1.cc/pg/groups/104127/take-the-square-international/ ?
[21:31:24] <rBOTse> URL Title: N-1: Take the square - International
[21:31:50] <lukas_> i mean specifically this: https://n-1.cc/pg/groupicon/104127/large/1305954535.jpg
[21:35:47] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> sorry can't help..... still dont get the caravan reference??
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[21:36:24] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> help with image that is...
[21:38:03] <lukas_> i was referring to the "take the square" phrase
[21:39:09] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> ah... yeah... pull the wagons into the square... nice :)
[21:39:19] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> open source wagons...
[21:39:19] <lukas_> yeah :D
[21:39:41] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> kinda strangely close to my heart
[21:39:49] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> I live on wheels...
[21:41:07] <lukas_> a few of us here was thinking about making a trip to Spain this summer, and idea with caravans appeared among different options
[21:41:08] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> In one of my crazed dreaming sessions I imagined a workers co-op producing well insulated eco caravans
[21:42:32] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> using locally produced materials as much as possible (wood frame, wool insulation etc. etc.)
[21:43:08] <lukas_> i met a guy form Netherlands few weeks a go who made an insulated modern version of gypsy wagon as a form of artistic expression and traveled with it for a year, using horses
[21:43:53] <lukas_> i got impression he was very passioned about the project
[21:46:28] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> I've friends that have lived like that but in old style caravans or open wagons and under canvas "tents" (known as benders - made with bent hazel poles)
[21:47:16] <lukas_> qwebirc71685, regarding that photo i asked about... the guy on the left top corner looks like Heinrich Himmler O_o got any idea about this?
[21:51:19] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> No sorry. Guess it might be. Think it says something about representation on the image and there is a disgust about the representatives
[21:58:14] <lukas_> are you maybe from Spain? i ask because i wonder what's going on there, haven't heard much so far, only few things, do you know any up to date english source of information?
[22:01:08] <lukas_> i just read the http://www.democraciarealya.es/?page_id=814 manifesto and got a question
[22:01:10] <rBOTse> URL Title: Manifesto (English) - ¡Democracia Real YA!
[22:03:23] <lukas_> we can read about a stand for the right to take advantage of others (employment) but i wonder where is whole manifest a freedom to share?
[22:04:35] <lukas_> where in* whole manifest is* freedom to share
[22:04:38] <lukas_> (sorry)
[22:10:34] <lukas_> personally, i keep asking people "do you really need a payed job? (most people say that of course they need) then what job you would like to do most in your life? what job you dream about? (most people have problem to answer that) ok, please come to my company at Monday, i will make the job you dram about and you will work for free (people look then on me like on a crazy person, they don't need job, they need money)" so why we simply not copy wealth instead of 
[22:10:36] <lukas_> taking it from others?
[22:17:06] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> not from Spain
[22:18:26] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> This has an overview http://london.indymedia.org/articles/9108
[22:18:27] <rBOTse> URL Title: Indymedia London | Articles | Show | "They all must go!" ...
[22:19:27] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> Spain had some experience of alternative economics less than 100 years ago
[22:20:44] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> You ever seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIyvEQUJhHc
[22:20:45] <rBOTse> 	You4Tube	 2[Title] Living Utopia (The Anarchists and the Spanish Revolution) 2[Category] Nonprofit 2[Duration] 1:34:49 2[Views] 1148 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2011-03-20 2[Description] A documentary about Anarchist communities established by the CNT/FAI, an Spanish revolutionary group. The Spanish Anarchist experiment is the largest and most compelling example of Anarchism being implemented in the real world.
[22:21:01] <lukas_> no, will check it
[22:21:12] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> Watched some bits of it recently.  Still gotta take the time to watch the whole thing.
[22:22:31] <lukas_> downloading :)
[22:24:32] <lukas_> thx, all i know is that some events ended with domestic war in Spain, and hundreds of villages stayed empty up to this day
[22:25:36] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> Apparently there is an old UK TV series about the Spanish Revolution that is also interesting.  Friend says it doesnt paint such a rosy picture but has lots of interesting information
[22:28:58] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> What you were saying earlier about work - I'd agree with a lot.  I think that many messages are coming from Spain and people are not sure what they want... different messages from different camps / areas
[22:30:18] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> For most people work (for money) is the only way they know to put food on the table (I guess they get unemployment money)- unemployment is high - so I guess the lack of jobs is a concern for most people
[22:31:21] <lukas_> yeah, and this is really excellent condition to exploit them, they beg for being sold :(  
[22:33:00] <lukas_> in the same manifesto they ask about "consumer rights"... what about a freedom to be a creator and freely share your achievement if you only wish to do so?
[22:34:27] <lukas_> it's like many people want a free society while still themselves they are not ready to make effort to free others without asking for $
[22:40:03] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> yeah - that would be one of the reformist manifestos.
[22:40:12] <nobody> 06<12qwebirc71685@FREENODE06> I've seen some much more inspiring stuff
[22:40:38] <lukas_> ?? ownership
[22:40:39] <missboty> ownership[1]: The system of ownership of ideas:
[22:40:41] <missboty> ownership[2]: http://dotsub.com/view/a29b44f7-bf4b-4928-a4a4-7a1359bceb55
[22:40:52] <lukas_> this is a great stuff ^
[22:44:17] <lukas_> i seen this as well a while back http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A\
[22:44:18] <rBOTse> 	You4Tube	 2[Title] The Story of Your Enslavement 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 0:13:10 2[Views] 426139 2[Rating] 4.79 2[Uploaded] 2010-04-17 2[Description] We can only be kept in the cages we do not see. A brief history of human enslavement - up to and including your own. From Freedomain Radio, the largest and most popular philosophy conversation in the world. http://www.freedomainradio.com  Text: http://www.fdrurl.com/slavestory
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[23:11:40] <nobody> 05<12qwebirc87000@FREENODE05> _lucas what you think great?
[23:13:46] <lukas_> you had a ping timeout, so i'm not sure what are you referring to, could be that part of your message is missing
[23:19:51] <nobody> 05<12qwebirc87000@FREENODE05> from log - [20:40] <lukas_> this is a great stuff ^
[23:20:49] <lukas_> ah, i meant this video with Eben Moglen: http://dotsub.com/view/a29b44f7-bf4b-4928-a4a4-7a1359bceb55
[23:20:51] <rBOTse> URL Title: The System Of Ownership Of Ideas - Transcription in progress | dotSUB
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[23:37:39] <Kebap> re
[23:41:08] <Viper> hi Kebap 
[23:41:21] <Kebap> hey hey hey
[23:41:56] <lukas_> hi :)
[23:43:56] <Viper> http://chan4chan.org/src/130261528894.jpg LOL
[23:44:51] <FAT64> oh lordy I liked that one :T although very Richard Dawkinsy x)
[23:47:53] <Viper> ,quote random
[23:47:53] <rBOTse> Viper: Quote #81: "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough. ~ Albert Einstein" (added by dns at 01:39 AM, August 05, 2010)
[23:49:42] <FAT64> better soon than toon
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