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[09:51:54] nope [09:52:01] just simple USB GPS modules [09:52:08] maybe its the same really? [10:02:06] so.. [10:02:10] it generates a ttyUSB0 [10:02:17] and dumping raw data from it works like a charm [10:02:21] then you can use that to import in tools [10:03:00] i think we are speaking about the same :D [10:03:28] FAT64, do you use it with any smaller device than a laptop? [10:05:24] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-9g2.o17.29.41.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [10:06:32] lukas_ USB or Bluetooth GPS? [10:07:36] Viper, usb, but haven't been yet looking on bluetooth gps [10:16:02] Viper, do you have an experience with a bluethooth one? [10:20:25] lukas_ no but i did use it [10:20:31] they are for mobile phones [10:21:08] lukas_ but USB one are for PC? [10:21:18] yes [10:21:47] for example like this one: http://www.fsckin.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/dsc00303-131x300.jpg [10:21:51] you can buy laptop with GPS :D [10:22:15] and after 2 years through out gps with it? [10:23:03] i have GPS device longer then 2 years [10:23:11] 5 years or something works fine [10:23:21] it works at any location [10:23:32] yeah, but it's dedicated gps device, not in laptop, am i right? [10:23:50] lukas_ what kind of map you use with that usb GPS [10:23:55] and for what you want to use it? [10:24:09] maybe better get an GPS device? [10:24:27] i just wonder if usb gps could be used with nano-note, or in combination with arduino, plugged into any smaller computer [10:24:47] you can put it at PC usb GPS [10:25:01] you need a Program with map [10:25:23] Viper, such usb gps seems to have best parameters on the market, and 1/3 of the price (about 20-25 euro) [10:25:23] *** Joins: Antilect (Markus@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) [10:25:54] http://www.fsckin.com/2008/04/06/review-four-linux-gps-packages/ here is the software [10:25:55] URL Title: Review: Four GPS Software Packages for Linux | fsckin w/ linux [10:26:33] i see 5 apps are available in my repository [10:27:07] do you need internet for them? [10:27:20] not sure yet [10:28:24] lukas_ tomtom is running on Linux [10:28:24] but you can record any road, then with the logged data do just anything, program own apps [10:28:32] maybe there is opensource version of that? [10:28:39] then you need only map [10:29:55] i just wonder about best option, and i'm thinking about modularity, 100% free software, diy extensions [10:31:40] umm [10:34:34] -nobody- tropology has joined on FREENODE [10:35:13] lukas_ would be nice if we could convert one map into other one [10:35:26] want to use it for finding best routes in wild terrain (mainly woods), do some terrain measurements - been once on a geological expedition where we mapped whole terrain with different equipment and made 3D model of it, and that was used later used for a lot of applications, and maybe we could use it in the summer time just on the road :) [10:37:11] i'm as well thinking about contributing to OpenStreetMap [10:38:50] there is a lot of devices with gps build in, but why not use one on the device one need in a particular moment? [10:39:58] ...and not throw out a monolithic gps with black-white screen simply because now a color 3d is more interesting option [10:40:29] the color ones with have soon the same destination, because a new shiny stuff will be around... [10:40:35] what do you think? [10:40:40] here you can download it i think http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ [10:40:41] URL Title: Free worldwide routable Garmin maps from OpenStreetMap [10:42:00] so, seems you could use it without internet [10:42:17] http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/garmin/routable/21-05-2011/5d50cae0343e5cfe478dd43f40acb314/ [10:42:18] URL Title: Index of /~lambertus/garmin/routable/21-05-2011/5d50cae0343e5cfe478dd43f40acb314 [10:42:53] 200mb world map? [10:42:58] no way [10:43:33] oh i see its only holland LOL [10:43:42] yeah [10:43:46] lukas_ here is poland http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/garmin/routable/21-05-2011/eec79a6176f3804f505e25e4ab6ddee9/ [10:43:47] URL Title: Index of /~lambertus/garmin/routable/21-05-2011/eec79a6176f3804f505e25e4ab6ddee9 [10:43:57] thx :) [10:44:29] Viper, i would think about a tomtom device if i could program and extend it, any experience with it like that? [10:44:38] let me check how big are my copyright maps LOL [10:44:52] i see Garmin and TT use Linux [10:45:01] you can compile that app and use it i guess [10:47:03] lukas_ i was trying to install debian on my palm [10:47:13] let me rephrase that: have you heard about using 'tomtom device' as pda for example? or as remote controller? small multimedia station? [10:47:19] maybe i could install tomtom or something on that? [10:47:19] how it went? [10:47:36] did not work. [10:47:43] :( [10:47:50] I need to compile my own debian because of drivers [10:48:00] but tomtom and garmin use debian too [10:48:04] as i see [10:48:36] did you find any particual model interesting? [10:48:44] particular* [10:48:46] http://www.tomtom.com/page.php?Page=gpl [10:48:47] URL Title: TomTom, portable GPS car navigation systems [10:53:32] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-e51eni.bredband.skanova.com) [10:53:46] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [10:55:59] hey internauts [10:56:29] wb FAT64 :) [10:57:34] :> [10:57:36] doing laundray lolz [11:07:41] http://i.imgur.com/3QRji.jpg [11:07:47] this was nice =) [11:08:12] hi FAT64 , same here =P (ok, my gf is, but wth...) [11:11:31] loves the first two sentences ^ [11:13:12] nice text Caly [11:14:01] WE MUST SUPPLY OUR OWN LIGHT. <3 [11:14:02] damn right [11:17:23] i pasted that already yesterday, so sorry for repeating, but it's in topic of that text and maybe you will find it interesting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A for yourself [11:17:24] You4Tube 2[Title] The Story of Your Enslavement 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 0:13:10 2[Views] 426827 2[Rating] 4.79 2[Uploaded] 2010-04-17 2[Description] We can only be kept in the cages we do not see. A brief history of human enslavement - up to and including your own. From Freedomain Radio, the largest and most popular philosophy conversation in the world. http://www.freedomainradio.com Text: http://www.fdrurl.com/slavestory [11:19:05] thanks [12:04:57] *** Joins: kman (kman@RBOSE-hhm.9h0.94.93.IP) [12:05:21] o/ [12:20:43] hi kman [12:20:50] Whats up [12:21:13] reading up on container freight, measurements, pricing etc. [12:22:03] Oh. Where you heading? [12:22:50] towards a mobile workshop =) [12:23:09] it's either 14 or 28 square meters.. . [12:23:42] And thats just floor space right? ^^ [12:24:11] yeah, normally about 2,4 meters height inside [12:34:43] nice video lukas [12:43:09] Caly, i'm working on the idea of mobile workshop as well, still initial phase, been brainstorming with Viper on that for a while [12:44:37] cool [12:45:34] i think it would be optimal to have a freight container, that you can just mount wheels and a pull bar to , or pontones =p [12:47:24] we have been considering 7 different options, will paste info about that to gobby later, need to do something atm [12:49:52] ok [12:50:37] http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/228585_1782750043363_1077825452_31599366_6517349_n.jpg [14:36:14] *** Quits: Hakufu_ (jsajfsagj@RBOSE-ih71p9.customer.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [14:42:04] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Read error: Operation timed out) [14:48:23] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-e51eni.bredband.skanova.com) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [14:50:52] *** Viper is now known as Evil [14:59:10] ,smack all [14:59:10] * rBOTse smacks all with a plastic keyboard [14:59:17] :D [16:09:49] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-cl7.thp.27.41.IP) [16:09:56] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-cl7.thp.27.41.IP) (Connection closed) [16:10:21] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-cl7.thp.27.41.IP) [16:15:35] http://waitingforthestorm.com/ lots of good intel [16:15:36] URL Title: Waiting for the Storm | The truth is extreme to make it moderate is to lie [16:28:43] http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2011/02/body-insulation-thermal-underwear.html [16:28:45] URL Title: Low-tech Magazine: Insulation: first the body, then the home [16:28:54] Caly, this is a nice website ^ [16:29:30] just have found it but i already see there is a lot of interesting solutions [16:30:54] this for example: http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2010/12/hand-powered-drilling-tools-and-machines.html [16:30:56] URL Title: Low-tech Magazine: Hand powered drilling tools and machines [16:32:56] http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2010/01/wood-gas-cars.html :D [16:32:58] URL Title: Low-tech Magazine: Wood gas vehicles: firewood in the fuel tank [16:36:02] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-cl7.thp.27.41.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [16:36:20] http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2010/09/recycling-animal-and-human-dung-is-the-key-to-sustainable-farming.html [16:36:23] URL Title: Low-tech Magazine: Recycling animal and human dung is the key to sustainable farming [16:46:46] *** Joins: Sixth_Ape (sixth_ape@RBOSE-ur863g.mweb.co.za) [16:47:57] http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2010/11/boat-mills-bridge-mills-and-hanging-mills.html [16:47:59] URL Title: Low-tech Magazine: Boat mills: water powered, floating factories [17:02:58] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-e51eni.bredband.skanova.com) [17:03:14] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [17:10:48] http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2009/10/how-to-make-everything-yourself-online-lowtech-resources.html [17:10:50] URL Title: Low-tech Magazine: How to make everything yourself - online low-tech resources [17:15:27] *** Joins: Hakufu (jsajfsagj@RBOSE-ih71p9.customer.telia.com) [17:36:50] -nobody- Kebap23 has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [17:38:13] *** Quits: Kebap (Max@RBOSE-k81lso.adsl.alicedsl.de) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [17:38:14] *** Joins: Kebap (Max@RBOSE-jmmsdb.adsl.alicedsl.de) [17:41:27] -nobody- Kebap23 has joined on FREENODE [18:59:07] *** Joins: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-eakmu3.cust.telenor.se) [19:01:12] https://launchpad.net/~rbose/+members#active [19:01:13] URL Title: Members of “RBOSE” : “RBOSE” team [19:02:24] lets wait till the wold changes itself? [19:02:30] *world [19:02:33] ;) [19:11:27] hah. [19:11:53] RBOSE might need more PR to get active software developers? [19:12:01] if that's what you want ^ [19:18:31] I am digging this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9os1GFuWJ0 and the movie based on it [19:18:32] You4Tube 2[Title] Derrick Jensen - Endgame 2[Category] Nonprofit 2[Duration] 1:20:43 2[Views] 1942 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2011-03-04 2[Description] http://www.derrickjensen.org/ [19:18:42] it's prolly been pasted before though :d [19:20:00] what software would we write to save the world? [19:26:46] it's not just about software, it's about hardware, publishing diy articles, art, helping as activist to solve people's problems [19:27:51] http://dev.rbose.org/beta/ [19:31:35] i wonder if we need to improve systems to make posting easier or simply people don't know what we already "in house", there is real time collaborative editing, wiki for documentation, blog, rss, forums, irc network, news system, but it looks like most people not even try to use most of that and we wonder why is that... [19:33:44] *** Joins: devbot (supybot@RBOSE-fnj.k3a.168.192.IP) [19:38:02] *** Joins: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-cn22bv.pool.telekom.hu) [19:40:42] *** Quits: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-cn22bv.pool.telekom.hu) (Quit: Ex-Chat) [19:47:21] "People say take shorter showers... fuck, all that does is annoy the people close to you." :-) [19:48:12] lukas_: I have so far found the wiki, etherpad and irc. everything else I will look at when I get the chance [19:49:35] am busy writing some sort of syndicalist manifesto [19:52:31] lukas_: are all the services well integrated and documented? in my ideal world (where I had chance to implement all that I have thought of) we would be running a type of web-of-trust hosting node in our homes with all these services you mentioned integrated into an easy-to-use whole... the freedombox if you will [19:53:54] unfortunately some of them are not even well tested, not much feedback was there [19:54:31] well maybe it's too early yet? [19:55:13] is there a landingpage that presents all the services at once? [19:56:10] not yet full developed, but we lack even ideas as the ones you just posted by asking your questions [19:57:58] we panned to make an tutorial to RBOSE, it's not easy to write something like that in few people who don't want to speak for others, but at the same time not many want to get involved, and we find it really important to complete, so it's like forcing ourselves to do it alone [19:58:06] fully* [20:00:07] maybe people trust us to much, lol, but seriously speaking: more brains means more perspectives, and when people know how to work with technologies it means more eyes which are able to catch mistakes in order to avoid problems [20:02:07] but right now i need to take family outside for a while :) i will be back soon [20:02:13] have fun guys [20:02:14] I hear you, there are few and the work is big.. butr ut even if we are only three people that is enough [20:03:21] there is that: there is great work to be done yet :-D [20:03:34] absolutely :) [20:04:57] it just takes more time and a lot of determination, some of us met on this track already more than 2 years, it has been a result of great moments, but i really wish to work with people who take this as something important they want to be an active part of [20:06:14] .. which is to say something they can do full time . me, I'm not there yet.. but the second I can support myself without this thing called work I will [20:08:49] i guess it goes for many people and we need to do exactly that job which will introduce better options than they have today [20:31:22] *** Joins: BranManFloMore (BranManFloMor@RBOSE-i97fcv.biz.rr.com) [20:48:27] there are no links on http://dev.rbose.org/beta/gobby .. am I missing something? never seen gobby before [20:49:10] lukas_: ... hence a syndicalist manifesto :d [21:22:27] *** Quits: kman (kman@RBOSE-hhm.9h0.94.93.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [21:24:04] *** Quits: warpi (warpi@RBOSE-eakmu3.cust.telenor.se) (Connection closed) [21:24:44] *** Joins: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-cn22bv.pool.telekom.hu) [21:25:01] *** Parts: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-cn22bv.pool.telekom.hu) [21:53:11] *** Joins: LibreMan (quassel@RBOSE-c5ob63.178-40-76.t-com.sk) [22:01:22] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-f3j.5dh.28.41.IP) [22:01:29] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-f3j.5dh.28.41.IP) (Connection closed) [22:02:24] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-f3j.5dh.28.41.IP) [22:08:23] Hi folks [22:08:35] comotion it just show what is in gobby [22:08:59] you can connect with gedit or gobby to gobby sever [22:11:01] comotion if you need help connecting to gobby let me know [22:11:49] folks add you here http://www.doodle.com/veet6ic4aaiibsxe [22:11:50] URL Title: Doodle: Meeting [22:11:51] `nicks [22:11:51] Evil: [777], Ades-, Antilect, BranManFloMore, Caly, comotion, devbot, DNS, DustWolf, duxck, Evil, FAT64, Hakufu, iamme, joppos, jscinoz, jscinoz_, kalken, Kebap, LibreMan, lukas, lukas_, missboty, mutanton, nobody, nocaic_, RBOSE, rBOTse, scrdcow, Sixth_Ape, SoNeta, and traph [22:11:54] thanks :) [22:12:08] IF you dont know how it works just ask [22:12:34] Want you mean? [22:13:05] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-f3j.5dh.28.41.IP) (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) [22:13:08] http://www.doodle.com/veet6ic4aaiibsxe <----- add you here [22:13:10] URL Title: Doodle: Meeting [22:13:23] So we know when any one have time for meeting [22:13:46] i dont get question [22:14:09] BranManFloMore maybe ask Evil way a question :D [22:14:34] * BranManFloMore checks [22:24:00] http://u.rdir.it/k/syndicate.txt comments welcome [22:25:04] you should run a mediawiki installation comotion [22:25:11] so people can write stuff in Talk: or something :D [22:25:18] hehe. yeah prolly [22:25:29] but I'm not there yet [22:25:46] I can show you the world [22:25:50] gobby list should include links so ppl can read what is written without setting up gedit or stuff [22:26:08] FAT64: i have servers and skills but no time for it [22:26:11] ah. ok [22:26:31] Fat64 comotion can you add you in doodle please http://www.doodle.com/veet6ic4aaiibsxe [22:26:33] URL Title: Doodle: Meeting [22:26:48] you can put No to all the times too haha [22:27:08] ok! :D [22:27:52] Thanks ! :) [22:28:26] the fun part is that it still says I am a participant [22:28:32] although I won't have time for it xD [22:28:36] bbl [22:32:36] comotion you know how doodle work? [22:35:32] kalken scdcow Caly i miss you there guys [22:35:46] nocaic_ [22:36:09] Is this is UTC time? [22:36:33] joppos might want to join [22:36:34] :D [22:37:16] BranManFloMore you can change timeline [22:37:38] i see here EU time line [22:39:49] What time did you put for tomorrow, you time? [22:39:52] your time? [22:41:19] I have exams, busy moving, and hunting jobs so .. but my heart is with you guys <3~ [22:41:37] Awwww.... [22:42:07] its all in UTC 10:00 AM 11:00 AM 1:00 PM 3:00 PM 5:00 PM 7:00 PM 9:00 PM [22:55:56] there are no links on http://dev.rbose.org/beta/gobby .. am I missing something? never seen gobby before <-- http://www.rbose.org/wiki/Help:Gobby [22:56:09] URL Title: Help:Gobby - RBOSE [22:56:23] hey Kebap :) [22:56:27] i have used doodle before sure but not sure about the link you pasted.. the point being to find a good time to see eachother on irc or mumble? [22:56:43] heya viper [22:57:02] comotion meeting will be in mumble with voice [22:57:06] any one is welcome [22:57:54] And i think we need to have a meeting once a week [22:58:02] So we can speed up some work [22:58:53] yeah short and frequent meetings [22:58:59] sounds good [23:02:23] *** Quits: Hakufu (jsajfsagj@RBOSE-ih71p9.customer.telia.com) (Quit: Lmnar) [23:03:06] *** Joins: hype (qwebirc@RBOSE-eb3hlc.res.rr.com) [23:03:26] hi hype [23:04:39] Evil: what work do you want to speed up and why do you think meetings are the solution? [23:05:16] comotion so people know what is going on. And why we go to X and not V [23:06:06] for sure getting to know eachother thru mumble is a good thing [23:06:29] To share ideas and so on [23:07:03] am still curious how far we can get together, what we can build and how soon [23:07:36] But first meeting will be about Why we would like to change"Resource Based Open Source Environment" to "Research Base for Open Source Environment" [23:07:47] my latest work has been on writing texts on money, world problems and syndicalism for people not familiar with any of this new thinking [23:08:43] hehe... surely name change is not very consequential :d [23:09:21] And if we get more time talk about new projects [23:10:40] comotion if you have some other ideas they are welcome [23:11:13] I own some small plots of land in Poland, my "action plan" is to buy land in Norway and to attempt to set up food and or energy production there [23:11:44] I have lots of ideas however it takes time to develop them so they are edible [23:11:58] why norway? =) [23:12:12] because I live here [23:12:53] I've considered plots in sweden too, but it might get a little complicated with commutes etc [23:13:17] aha. [23:13:23] comotion ideas need to be shared [23:13:27] I don't know actually. it needs to be close enough to Oslo because I have a lot of balls in the air here [23:13:36] :) [23:13:38] it's cool that you are thinking along those lines [23:13:40] Evil: I agree.. ideas need to be shared. [23:14:07] comotion there are some that are thinking to move to spain [23:14:14] or maybe some other warm place [23:14:31] so you can easy grow stuff [23:14:41] I do have a question tho: what's the price of arable land in Sweden relativisticly near southern Norwegian border? [23:14:46] *** Quits: Antilect (Markus@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) (Quit: ) [23:15:10] comotion i am in Holland :) [23:15:18] Evil: you have to think... what strategy will work if Everybody does the same thing? clearly moving to spain is not such a strategy [23:15:55] *** Joins: LibreMan_ (quassel@RBOSE-c5ob63.178-40-76.t-com.sk) [23:15:56] a better way would be to set up cooperations with Holland, Spain, Poland etc etc but try to make as much as possible of the basic necessities locally [23:16:16] comotion i dont think i will buy land in holland [23:16:22] so, food shelter energy, defence and means of transportation must be local [23:16:27] too expensive and you cant build/grow what you like to [23:17:25] I also don't know if I can assemble enough capital for arable land in Norway. and what's worse: I still don't have any concrete plan to make a sustainable transition period for myself and more importantly the people around me [23:18:07] use/do what you can now [23:18:54] comotion i start growing something in my balcon :D [23:20:14] *** Quits: LibreMan (quassel@RBOSE-c5ob63.178-40-76.t-com.sk) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [23:20:39] these are the things that lead to my texts on money, making local solutions and syndicalism [23:22:11] Evil: no balcony, but indeed I plan to do some hydro ponics. The biggest problem again is that wage slavery keeps me gainfully employed for at minimum 8 hours a day. I am just lucky that the job as open source it consultant is far more flexible than other jobs, but it's still a job [23:23:31] *** Quits: hype (qwebirc@RBOSE-eb3hlc.res.rr.com) (Quit: Page closed) [23:56:47] http://chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127461/ [23:56:48] URL Title: Why Privacy Matters Even if You Have 'Nothing to Hide' - The Chronicle Review - The Chronicle of Higher Education [23:57:02] Hmmm....