[00:15:47] yeah! [00:35:57] Development summary for last 24 hours: [00:35:58] 6 edits in the wiki http://rbose.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges [00:35:59] 2 activities in the pms http://pms.rbose.org/activity [00:36:00] To stay updated in real time join #developers #mumble #news #pms and #wiki channels. To learn more about the news system go to http://rbose.org/wiki/News [00:45:30] -nobody- antilect has joined on FREENODE [00:56:54] *** Quits: Hakufu (jsajfsagj@RBOSE-i9n04g.bredband.tre.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [01:29:05] because you probably didnt laugh today, here we go again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6Gj2o5UHLU [01:29:06] You4Tube 2[Title] Anonymous Message To $ony. 2[Category] People 2[Duration] 0:02:32 2[Views] 187370 2[Rating] 4.54 2[Uploaded] 2011-04-04 2[Description] tonyuk73 just spreading the word that nobody is safe.not even $ony.This is mad as 'mad mick from madcastle' with all the Anonymous stuff going on just had to mellow the mood.hope it puts a smile on your faces. [credits to the actors great stuff!!] oops the title was a type error a [01:29:23] :> [01:45:26] lol [01:48:46] *** Joins: ane (qWEBirc@RBOSE-2n30ul.adsl.tpnet.pl) [01:50:47] *** Quits: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) (Connection closed) [01:50:48] -nobody- antilect has quit FREENODE (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [01:51:11] *** Joins: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) [01:51:29] -nobody- antilect has joined on FREENODE [01:54:06] *** Quits: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) (Connection closed) [01:54:08] -nobody- antilect has quit FREENODE (Remote host closed the connection) [01:54:25] *** Joins: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) [01:54:42] -nobody- antilect has joined on FREENODE [02:02:30] *** Quits: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) (Connection closed) [02:02:32] -nobody- antilect has quit FREENODE (Remote host closed the connection) [02:03:09] -nobody- antilect has joined on FREENODE [02:05:51] -nobody- antilect has quit FREENODE (Remote host closed the connection) [02:10:17] *** Joins: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) [02:10:36] -nobody- antilect has joined on FREENODE [02:46:53] *** Quits: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) (Connection closed) [02:46:54] -nobody- antilect has quit FREENODE (Remote host closed the connection) [03:02:09] ,quote random [03:02:09] ane: Quote #11: "Atheism is a non-prophet organization. ~ George Carlin" (added by vinces at 06:08 PM, May 06, 2010) [03:03:22] haha [03:03:39] ,quote random [03:03:39] ane: Quote #78: "The most important thing about Spaceship Earth - an instruction book didn't come with it. ~ Buckminster Fuller" (added by dns at 12:36 AM, August 05, 2010) [03:04:17] ,quote random [03:04:17] ane: Quote #112: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system. ~ Al Gore" (added by dns at 11:07 PM, August 19, 2010) [03:06:53] gn guys, thanks for your help wiki people;) [03:06:59] *** Quits: ane (qWEBirc@RBOSE-2n30ul.adsl.tpnet.pl) (Quit: Page closed) [03:41:32] `fortune [03:41:34] Evil: Perilous to all of us are the devices of an art deeper than we ourselves possess. -- Gandalf the Grey [J.R.R. Tolkien, "Lord of the Rings"] [03:41:51] `fortune [03:41:53] Evil: FORTUNE PROVIDES QUESTIONS FOR THE GREAT ANSWERS: #31 A: Chicken Teriyaki. Q: What is the name of the world's oldest kamikaze pilot? [04:01:13] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv6xLk-MlbI [04:01:14] You4Tube 2[Title] The Philosophy of Childhood 2[Category] Education 2[Duration] 0:10:23 2[Views] 6076 2[Rating] 4.94 2[Uploaded] 2010-10-11 2[Description] Philosophy dictates how children are raised... [06:56:34] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 263 seconds) [07:00:02] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE.org) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [07:22:22] *** Joins: Sixth_Ape2 (sixth_ape@RBOSE-qoim16.mweb.co.za) [07:25:37] Morning! 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To learn more about the news system go to http://rbose.org/wiki/News [12:51:40] ,any kalken [12:51:40] lukas: kalken was last seen in #RBOSE 13 hours, 41 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: *** kalken has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [12:55:44] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [12:59:33] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE.org) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [13:46:07] -nobody- Kebap23 has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [13:46:48] *** Quits: Kebap (Max@RBOSE-gmnc69.adsl.alicedsl.de) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [13:46:50] *** Joins: Kebap (Max@RBOSE-h6r3es.adsl.alicedsl.de) [13:48:11] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-ramd77.bredband.skanova.com) [13:48:28] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [13:51:25] -nobody- Kebap23 has joined on FREENODE [15:38:27] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-co9.t73.26.41.IP) [15:38:36] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-co9.t73.26.41.IP) (Connection closed) [15:39:00] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-co9.t73.26.41.IP) [15:52:22] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-co9.t73.26.41.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [17:19:15] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [17:23:00] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE.org) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [17:31:53] you want some of this? 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[19:02:58] what in the fork [19:03:10] while(1) { printf("no support?!\n"); fork(); } [19:06:19] i get really enough with this shit for today :| [19:07:14] :( [19:07:25] was there suppose to be support for it? [19:12:16] FAT64, they made something like this http://pyxpcomext.mozdev.org/ but it's outdated, doesn't work with ff>3.5 [19:12:17] URL Title: mozdev.org - pyxpcomext: index [19:12:27] ah crap [19:13:02] it goes already for years from what i read [19:16:50] *** Joins: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-cn22bv.pool.telekom.hu) [20:02:06] *** Joins: ane (qWEBirc@RBOSE-850brq.adsl.tpnet.pl) [20:02:23] Hi:) [20:03:35] *** Parts: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-cn22bv.pool.telekom.hu) [20:32:57] o/ ane [20:33:31] Hi kman [20:36:20] I saw you added some material on edible plants. Great! [20:36:45] My flora is full of notes ^^ [20:37:09] i made a juice and its too good [20:39:27] http://www.economads.com/evolulog.php --> interesting raw vegan report from visiting communities in german,spain, france [20:41:08] for me they are extreme. 3months without bath or shower [20:41:52] i dont understand why they dont use ie hand made shampoo [20:42:00] or soap [20:43:53] im going to make today a hand made shampoo [20:44:18] its really easy and ecological [20:46:57] btw kman im not sure how organize the database about edible plants, [20:48:29] i know that you guys have more experience than me [20:50:07] "you guys" would exclude me aswell. I have good ideas (sometimes) but im really more interested in nutrition and communication than computers ^^ [20:51:01] And yes, i really enjoy home made shampoos as well. My upcoming project after making my first batch of vinegar! [20:52:08] generaly ppl prefer watch images than reading text, i like one of my books where is schematically indicated in which month collect edible parts of plants [20:53:17] Yep. Im with you there. When all i really want is information, i want it kept dry. [20:54:30] Im soo tired of gardening books filled with unsupported crap talk ^^ [20:54:41] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-ramd77.bredband.skanova.com) [20:54:53] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [20:57:14] cheers lads/ladies. :D enjoy internet while I sleep. [20:58:43] Enjoy the sleep while we internetz without you! [20:58:47] Muahaha... [20:58:52] me and google translator and uraban diccionary dont know what does it mean "kept dry" but i understand the next sentense;) [21:00:17] Dry text is usually referring to text that is written without emotion, focusing on the information. [21:00:44] Scientific articles could be considered dry text i suppose (am i making this up? hmm...) [21:01:04] Lets leave that as a cliff-hanger. [21:04:37] urban diccionary know what cliff-hanger means ;) http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cliff%20hanger [21:04:42] URL Title: Urban Dictionary: cliff hanger [21:08:18] ^^ [21:13:52] btw when im reading economands raports i see how difficult is create good community, i have an impression that it works sometimes when the communities are create by friends with simmilar values, and the saddest is... [21:14:44] that really little people think about the most important thing for me -how produce own food [21:15:55] a lot of communities buy foods from shops, some prefer spend money to alcool or drugs [21:18:05] ane, i couldnt agree with you more. Its the most fundamental technology any community that calls itsef "self-sufficient" has to include. [21:18:22] open source ecology is one example. [21:19:08] Which is why the reprap is on a halt for me atm. I have other stuff to learn first. [21:20:37] yeah me too;) [21:21:17] Hi :) [21:21:25] \o/ antilect [21:21:34] Hi antilect [21:21:48] Im soo tired of gardening books filled with unsupported crap talk ^^ -- word :) [21:21:48] Good discussion. [21:21:57] I feel like food forests, permaculture is nice for food production. [21:22:11] but the problem with being self-sufficient is that... I think you still need that cursed trade :D [21:22:14] Iv dedicated most of my spare time this summer to learn how to just grow stuff. Read as much as i can and gather knowledge. [21:22:31] People who specialize in different types of greens, etc. [21:22:40] Mm :) [21:22:42] antilect, sure, permaculture is a great concept, but not always an apropriate one. [21:22:43] I never get tired of learning. [21:22:49] Mm. [21:23:03] I find the "We'll make it on our own" to be a little bit flawed (yet definitly important!) [21:23:17] You need a lot of people to make sure you can grow enough :) [21:23:34] Living in the jungle seems very good. [21:23:38] A lot of wild foods etc. [21:23:41] Natural regenration is intense. [21:23:45] Thast a problem with many sources of gardening. Almost none of them consider the systems perspective of plant growing. Like the fundamental fact that not all people have access to sheds for tools, loads of seeds and drip irrigation systems. [21:23:58] Mm. [21:24:00] Very true. [21:24:27] It's probably far to easy to change the slavery of a job, with the slavery of agriculture :) [21:24:44] I just don't want to end up in either of those traps. [21:24:55] Drip irrigation may be great, but the resource aspect of those kinds of systems is hardly ever discussed in relation other techniques. [21:25:04] Heh no. Me neither. [21:25:06] Mm. [21:25:20] Resources is really a big issue. [21:25:28] And you'll probably need to buy land sooner or later. [21:25:56] And if we want solutions that work for everyone, it woud really be pointless to start with describing hydroponics. We should start with "How to start a garden with a handful of seeds and a shovel". [21:26:06] Mm [21:26:40] I see many benefits of taking on that persuit with the FOSS culture backing us up. [21:26:54] antilect, there are many ways to achieve something, and there is nothing else in science other than physics really asking the question about the fundaments of processes -- when you know these, you know much more than many people who "collects stamps" with their research - as an example please think about only 4 types of forces we know in universe, just four, only four, really simple! - so when you get the core knowledge what you want to trade? i agree the other [21:26:56] people will need your knowledge, but you like few others have the knowledge to understand them all and work on anything you would like to work [21:27:46] We could, for example, link health profiles in the user accounts to the karma system, where medicinal herbs growing locally can be given away. Automated updates on how to maintain your health with local resources like free growing plants that are in season etc. [21:28:23] lukas, i agree [21:29:21] A geodesic greenhouse costs so much today. [21:29:46] It would be nice to learn how to build one, with 3d-printed components. [21:30:05] Going out in the garden for a while. Be back tomorrow. [21:31:30] we had a motto on university which was sticked to a wall at the department: "Physicist can everything." I know it can sound like megalomania for "outsiders" but you can already have a sample by looking at works of Stallman from fsf, or Jakubowski from ose - they both are physicists :D and i know other physicist in biology, engineering, space exploration, ocean studies, geography and supercomputers [21:32:32] i know some in RBOSE ;) [21:32:39] today trade is a religion not based on physical values at all [21:32:50] antilect, reprap technology sure has a place in agriculture, but right now i want to focus on sharing and gathering knowledge. Iv managed fine growing things with hand-made stuff so far ^^ [21:32:53] ,quote get #178 [21:32:53] lukas: (quote get [] ) -- Gets the quote with id from the quote database for . is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. [21:32:56] ,quote get 178 [21:32:56] lukas: Quote #178: "Trade is a situation where two people try to get as much as possible for as little as possible, and optimizing that situation will turn out to shit, for some part. ~ kalken" (added by lukas at 09:32 AM, June 10, 2011) [21:33:52] kman, hehe mm :) [21:33:56] I like the simple, diy stuff. [21:34:09] Also, I skipped the impossible dream of 100% independet right of the bat. [21:34:17] It's awesome to achieve 50% atm :) [21:35:17] ^^ [21:35:20] Cool. [21:36:42] i just wanted to say, go to core of the problems and you would reduce thousands of problems to actually the same, it's simple, but our population doesn't do it, the so called specialization is to make people smart enough to use stuff and dumb enough to not understand economy and keep jobs [21:47:13] "The solution to any problem, is the solution to every problem." [21:47:22] Very true :) [21:49:15] I heard that in a permaculture lecture once. 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