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[10:08:55] http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/US-authorities-have-access-to-European-cloud-data-1270961.html [10:08:56] URL Title: US authorities have access to European cloud data - The H Security: News and Features [10:09:08] Well... that wasn't good news. yet another reason why not to join the commercial cloud :) [10:11:45] not so unexpeted though [10:13:54] http://ayp.subvert.info/ [10:13:55] URL Title: Anarchist Yellow Pages [10:14:09] Over 2000 collectives, squats, infoshops, zines, coffeehouses, journals, newspapers, bookstores and campaigns from the international anti-authoritarian movement. [10:15:29] hm http://rbose.wordpress.com/about/ [10:15:31] URL Title: 1- RBOSE « Who is RBOSE [10:15:33] sucky story ^^ [10:20:14] hi guys :) [10:22:13] o/ [10:26:36] http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KAZPHOEN111&day=1&year=2011&month=7&graphspan=week [10:26:37] URL Title: Weather Station History : Weather Underground [10:26:55] 129.9 i made it through it [10:27:08] that is nearly 54 C yes? [10:29:46] maat, that's a stupid and faked story on that blog, these guys had personal issues with some guys who were connecting here, they made it when they said we will not ban these individuals who mess with them because they do nothing wrong at all on our systems and they make it up [10:31:00] when we* said [10:31:29] maat, check this out: http://pms.rbose.org/ [10:31:30] URL Title: RBOSE PMS [10:32:08] oh i see you registered there :D [10:34:51] yea i talked with DNS and viper yesterday [10:34:58] i will try to contribute a bit w/ IT [10:35:02] ok :) [10:35:08] but I can't open a wiki account at the moment [10:35:26] btw i'm into physics as well :) [10:35:51] cool, so what are you doing now? [10:35:59] do you have a "regular" job? p: [10:39:23] i had a business in past, have some resources from that time, since a while i work totally as volunteer, i'm not interested in any money gains anymore, and if i use the resources well, probably i will never again need to sell my ass, and taking advantage of other people is out of question for me [10:40:18] sounds good to me [10:40:37] i am still lookiing for a way to do the same [10:41:52] I personally would like to do work very similar to ose ...just without that marketing crap, "true fans" and "angel subscriptions" [10:42:26] yea~ [10:42:43] i'm currently sitting in a soon-to-be-started OSE presentation @okcon :) [10:42:52] nice! [10:43:13] it's not the main room so i don't see any streaming sadly [10:43:21] oh [10:44:17] all rbose repo are on bazaar? [10:45:42] btw, to track the real work done here you can go to the pms activity, our repos logs (many are not up to date because just few people contribute code and we reduced effort to keep repos updated) and wiki contribution list to see who have been really doing jobs, other people are in fact rather act as guest being a source of great inspiration, but we hope they will start publishing themselves [10:47:02] not all, we have been in fact thinking about moving that to our servers, always postponing this issue because of lack of people interested in code contributions [10:47:27] ok [10:47:34] mercurial looks like a good, free alternative [10:48:10] i got from DNS a nice comparison between git, mercurial and bzr [10:49:46] so where's rBOTse's repo at the moment? [10:50:02] i'd like to start and close this https://pms.rbose.org/issues/55 [10:50:03] URL Title: rBOTse - Bug #55: Replace url shortening engines in all plugins with new open source tool. - RBOSE PMS [10:51:19] i would need to publish/update that then today [10:51:27] are you codding in python? :D [10:51:52] probably not very well [10:52:03] but i used it [10:52:10] and i can learn ;) [10:52:18] cool :] [10:53:24] but i basically just need a project to start with, so just let me know what is the most important/doable project i can help with [10:54:05] there is channel #pms where you can track in real time changes pms, but the it part of pms is tracked as well in #developers - in the last channel we as well track changes in repositories [10:54:11] did you notice the RBEF atlas page today? [10:54:23] they are connecting all the people who are not friends on their site is that even kosher? [10:57:43] never heard of rbef :o [10:58:24] ose's ideas are pretty god, but damn their presentations sux :/ [10:58:33] except marcin's ted talk i guess [10:59:22] diogenez, that's the bad smell related to the subject you touched above with that blog [10:59:49] maat* [11:01:15] but i'm really not going into this, we wasted massive amount of time on this with people who spammed us in irc heavily [11:03:50] yes it doesn't matter [11:09:22] maat, here is a set of documents we are working on, these are at a quite early stage (we lack english native speakers willing to help with creation of them), the ideas are still being developed and we welcome very much people to take active part in writing: http://dev.rbose.org/beta/gobby/list - maybe it will give you some more perspective what we want to do - please bare in mind that statements there are statements of individual developers and may change [11:09:25] URL Title: Gobby Server - RBOSE [11:10:49] you may want to start with this one: http://dev.rbose.org/beta/gobby/preview/What_we_do [11:10:50] URL Title: Gobby Preview - RBOSE [11:12:15] are these pages i can modify? [11:12:42] anyway, i will read that :) [11:14:27] yes, if you log into gobby (it works like etherpad, but much more powerful for example with gedit plugin, let me know in query if you need a pass) [11:15:00] i thought we were working with rbef? [11:15:01] no/ [11:15:12] they seem to be working with everybody else [11:15:57] diogenez, not with us [11:16:01] ok [11:16:08] tehy are really building a city? [11:16:16] seems illogical [11:16:23] arcosantieque [11:16:30] acosantiesque [11:16:53] local governance will always prevent implementation [11:17:10] IBC [11:20:00] maat, http://rbose.org/wiki/Help:Gobby some introduction how gobby works -- we developed mediawiki gobby extension for collaborative editing, but later we did better: combined turbogeras with gobby and ajax queries through wiki parser :D [11:20:01] URL Title: Help:Gobby - RBOSE [11:20:58] eheh cool [11:21:51] works faster, uses less traffic and all the extended sntax offered with mediawiki extensions can be used to generate rich text output [11:23:11] i think we have that in irc too, lol [11:23:19] ~list wiki [11:23:19] lukas: Error: 'wiki' is not a valid plugin. [11:23:26] 'list wiki [11:23:28] but at the moment, all your latest developments are not available? [11:23:29] `list wiki [11:23:30] lukas: Error: 'wiki' is not a valid plugin. [11:24:12] yeah :( will need to publish that all, and you know so far it was in bzr [11:25:32] the code is not available in public repos but the functionality is there [11:25:36] `list [11:25:37] lukas: Admin, Alias, Anonymous, AutoMode, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Ctcp, Games, Geekquote, Google, Linux, Math, Misc, Network, Note, Owner, Plugin, Python, Quote, Relay, Scheduler, Seen, Services, Status, Supybot, Time, Topic, Unix, User, Utilities, Web, and Wikipedia [11:25:46] `load Wiki [11:25:48] lukas: Error: No plugin named "Wiki" exists. 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Just a test

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Contest 2011 - FreeMixter | musik.klarmachen-zum-aendern.de [18:13:24] didnt know that beastie boys is on ccmixter too [18:13:38] :) [18:13:47] hey DNS :) [18:13:56] hi Evil [18:17:02] *** [777] is now known as DNS777 [18:33:25] *** Quits: kman (bio@RBOSE-hhm.9h0.94.93.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [18:42:55] *** Parts: diogenez (Administrator@RBOSE-0809ro.ph.cox.net) [19:03:47] *** Quits: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) (Connection closed) [19:03:48] -nobody- antilect has quit FREENODE (Remote host closed the connection) [19:22:31] *** Joins: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) [19:22:50] -nobody- antilect has joined on FREENODE [19:28:59] *** Joins: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-cn22bv.pool.telekom.hu) [19:37:08] *** Quits: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-cn22bv.pool.telekom.hu) (Quit: Ex-Chat) [19:37:12] *** Joins: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-cn22bv.pool.telekom.hu) [19:45:49] *** Joins: Hakufu (jsajfsagj@RBOSE-s2uak5.bredband.tre.se) [19:50:39] *** Parts: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-cn22bv.pool.telekom.hu) [19:54:18] *** Joins: Hakufu_ (jsajfsagj@RBOSE-s2uak5.bredband.tre.se) [19:54:19] *** Quits: Hakufu (jsajfsagj@RBOSE-s2uak5.bredband.tre.se) (Connection closed) [20:06:20] *** Quits: Hakufu_ (jsajfsagj@RBOSE-s2uak5.bredband.tre.se) (Connection closed) [20:06:34] *** Joins: Hakufu (jsajfsagj@RBOSE-s2uak5.bredband.tre.se) [20:31:12] http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/skype-replacement-projects [20:31:14] URL Title: Two new projects can help free software replace Skype Free Software Foundation working together for free software [20:32:03] nice :) [20:33:31] *** Quits: Hakufu (jsajfsagj@RBOSE-s2uak5.bredband.tre.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [20:44:33] http://www.gwennseemel.com/index.php/blog/comments/intellectual_property/ [20:44:35] URL Title: Gwenn Seemel Taking the property out of intellectual property [20:56:24] thanks DNS nice link [20:59:36] :) [21:05:20] *** Quits: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) (Connection closed) [21:05:23] -nobody- antilect has quit FREENODE (Remote host closed the connection) [21:05:29] *** Joins: Hakufu (jsajfsagj@RBOSE-s2uak5.bredband.tre.se) [21:07:52] *** Quits: Hakufu (jsajfsagj@RBOSE-s2uak5.bredband.tre.se) (Connection closed) [21:10:42] -nobody- antilect has joined on FREENODE [21:11:10] -nobody- antilect has quit FREENODE (Client Quit) [21:15:11] *** Joins: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) [21:15:30] -nobody- antilect has joined on FREENODE [21:18:51] http://vimeo.com/16025167 [21:18:52] URL Title: The Future of Money on Vimeo [21:29:19] * lukas seen it already [21:30:01] interesting points [21:30:17] but im very unsure if we need a new moneytary system [21:30:37] same here [21:31:21] the problem is DNS what to do about it if people believe simply in it [21:31:47] they believe in it till it breaks down [21:32:05] ask the greek population if tehy believe in ti [21:32:09] *it [21:32:26] but then they believe again because they never seen nothing wrong with that irrationality in first place [21:32:57] have you seen the talk at fsf today about this stuff? [21:32:59] i think the problem is that there no alternative right now [21:33:14] *there is no... [21:33:58] like not a country whos not capitalism [21:34:13] yeah, nothing concrete, i know people who simply help each other and produce things for each other, but they are minority, they do that because it's something what has to be done [21:35:30] i was surprised when i met them, it was really simple, they were improving their lives but there was no tax because there was no money flow [21:36:07] *** Joins: Hakufu (jsajfsagj@RBOSE-s2uak5.bredband.tre.se) [21:37:05] they said when they have an issue, like building something, transportation, electricity failure, they simply call each other and they do the job because this is what has to be done, no body counts how much and how many times, they simply ask "do you have the time?" [21:38:10] i wonder if all can be done like this [21:38:15] but sounds interesting [21:39:23] the problem is hording, and domination never should be included in any social change [21:39:59] 1st the people need to learn to be their own leaders [21:40:32] if people are searchin for leaders thats often the result: hording and domination [22:00:25] *** Joins: bio (bio@RBOSE-hhm.9h0.94.93.IP) [22:01:49] *** Joins: kman (bio@RBOSE-hhm.9h0.94.93.IP) [22:03:51] *** Quits: kman (bio@RBOSE-hhm.9h0.94.93.IP) (Quit: Lämnar) [22:17:56] *** Quits: Hakufu (jsajfsagj@RBOSE-s2uak5.bredband.tre.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [22:22:34] ,quote random [22:22:35] DNS: Quote #74: "What would life be if we had no courage to attempt anything? ~ Vincent van Gogh" (added by dns at 12:19 AM, August 05, 2010) [22:23:44] -nobody- nick change by Out`Of`Control to Viper on FREENODE [22:26:10] ,nicks [22:26:10] lukas: antilect, beppu, bio, Caly, comotion, devbot, DNS, DNS777, DustWolf, duxck, Evil, FAT64, jscinoz, Kebap, lukas, maat, missboty, nobody, RBOSE, rBOTse, scrdcow, Slush-, and SoNeta [22:26:21] Hi folks we have an idea [22:26:23] :D [22:26:36] guys, there is a question if we would like to get involved in OSE Europe? [22:27:40] maat just asked such a question at OSE channel at freenode [22:27:59] who is mat [22:28:13] gah.. my shift key is dead.. [22:28:28] hehe [22:28:39] bio use other shift :P [22:28:47] both of them. [22:28:52] oh that sucks [22:29:01] clean keyboard? [22:29:19] i think its compiz. iv removed it but rebooted. [22:29:23] maat, do you have any perspective on this? [22:29:59] I was thinking what if we take Europe part of OSE? [22:30:08] lol [22:30:24] * Evil idea [22:30:37] brb [22:30:46] *** Quits: bio (bio@RBOSE-hhm.9h0.94.93.IP) (Connection closed) [22:31:03] oh disabling 3d should work too [22:31:05] Evil: lukas sounds like fun, what does it mean in practice? [22:31:56] *** Joins: kman (bio@RBOSE-hhm.9h0.94.93.IP) [22:32:01] wb kman :) [22:32:22] Why, thank you, good sir. [22:32:23] well, i wonder too, would like to hear more from maat about this idea :) [22:32:59] lukas, got time for some mumbling? [22:33:18] sorry, I cannot from here :| [22:34:53] sorry i was afk :p [22:35:05] fossrox, what's your nick here? [22:36:02] anyway to answer the question, the meaning of OSE Europe still has to be defined [22:36:18] lukas, ok. Well, considering that OSE are currently planning on using a proprietary software for their PMS, we could be of huge help. [22:36:24] maat its lukas [22:36:26] * lukas uses this nick [22:36:34] obviously the point is helping developing some of the 50 tools [22:36:37] ok [22:37:01] kman, i think they didn't know about redmine [22:37:01] but europe could also be used to gather more people, make the idea spread some more [22:37:14] lukas, yeah it could really be that simple. [22:37:28] could also be used as a concept proof for the "global village" [22:37:44] they do know about redmine but they are not well organized it seems [22:37:55] they could definitely benefit from a platform like rbose [22:38:02] maat, not well organized? [22:38:04] but i'm not even sure they would like it [22:38:22] maat so maybe we should set up a meeting? [22:38:28] not always very open kman, it's unclear who does what, who knows what [22:38:32] We could have it in mumble [22:38:54] maat, ok. Closed by intention or by lack of communication? [22:39:10] bit of both i guess [22:39:18] closed by lack of knowledge as well [22:39:41] i think most of them are not from the open software community [22:39:48] maat, you know already our perspective on the business part, we want to organize production, but not fall in trap of profit, so it's like we sick a new way of organization, without the cost/profit schema since that is controlled through banking system and used to overtake whole industries at a fraction of its price [22:40:49] lukas, but still, its not a problem if they use our platform in the future. [22:41:13] yes i mean you don't have to follow the exact same path [22:41:30] yeah, it all depends, but i'm for sure very interested and like a lot what maat wrote [22:41:31] but you can help design of the 50 tools [22:41:31] The only demand is the licensing and sharing of information. [22:41:54] that is selbstverstandnis :D [22:42:07] maat, i bet there would be interest for helping out with that. [22:42:28] ,t de to en selbstverstandnis [22:42:29] lukas: self-understanding [22:42:31] maat: ok, so here is my questions then... [22:42:32] :) [22:42:40] ahah, rBOTse <3 [22:43:26] a) is the Europe OSE thingy soppoised to be just a communication system for peers to help OSE out with techniocal development? [22:43:28] maat, it's becoming a little operating system in itself, jk lol [22:44:26] again, not defined at the moment. I guess it can be whatever we want, you just have to come and take part in the process [22:44:35] http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Open_Source_Ecology_Europe [22:44:37] URL Title: Open Source Ecology Europe - Open Source Ecology [22:44:42] create you vision paper :D [22:44:55] and/or b) is there some kind of establishing of a European physical OSE site planning to host a few full-time-workers? [22:45:11] maat: ah, i c. [22:45:16] i think it would be nice [22:45:21] Caly, cant see why you would be interested in that.. ^^ [22:45:23] that b) part will be in my vision [22:45:28] and i will try to make it happen [22:45:32] kman: hehe... [22:46:01] kman, lol [22:46:46] maat: I din't know if you got this, but personally, i am something of a resource when it comes to equipment... [22:47:27] maat: my issue is, i can't stand the cold environment in Sweden, so i'd love to see something go up in Spain. [22:47:33] or alike... [22:47:35] lol [22:47:37] No but really, i think working with OSE could be really productive. We dont have too many hardware projects to test drive the PMS with. It could be a catalyzing process. [22:47:50] i think so too [22:47:56] maat: actually, the most preferble place would propably be costa rica. [22:48:05] nope [22:48:10] guadeloupe > costa rica [22:48:41] but the only way to get into costa rica (citizenship) without having a fortune, is to be part of some international project.. [22:48:43] kman: the thing is, I don't know if they would like that (which means I don't know, I don't they say don't like the idea) [22:49:00] And also, with a good communication portal and PMS, there is no need for centralizing the hardware development to one site in europe. It could just be a network of open workshops. Which should really be the aim imho. [22:49:20] that would be an option indeed [22:49:47] yeah, distributed env <3 [22:50:11] Especially of your thinking about providing OSE as a widespread service. [22:50:17] i think the best option now is for people interested to join the ML and write your vision :) [22:50:24] Sure ^^ [22:50:26] i'm not too familiar with how OSE has set up it's business machinery so to speak, but i don't have a problem with people getting by (monetary) by offering to build parts/machines for really open hardware (totally free designs) [22:50:32] Easy to get carried away. [22:50:33] kman: write about your idea of having a distributed OSE here! [22:50:50] kman: yeah, let's hear it. [22:51:05] Hmm... challenge accepted. [22:51:40] Caly, acceptable as long that gain is not becoming the goal, like it seems to be happening now with so many project out there :( [22:51:59] projects* [22:52:04] maat: have you heard about our technology-tree project ? [22:52:17] kman: =) [22:52:22] lukas, i think the thing is that the OSE developers want this to become their main source of income. [22:52:28] DNS, what do you think about all of that? [22:52:40] I don't think so kman [22:52:44] and I think so Caly :) [22:52:53] maat, elaborate. [22:53:13] they do need funding to develop all the tools [22:53:23] maat, it certailny looks this way when it comes to Factor E Farm [22:53:29] they have sponsors, true fans and they sell stuff they already designed now [22:53:33] But the goal isnt monetary profit? [22:53:40] definitely not [22:53:46] maat: oh, good! and yeah, another thing... i wrote some outlines for something i call "Transition Technology Livelihood Project" where i constitute the nature of handling monetary stuff [22:53:51] first goal is design the 50 things [22:54:04] then maybe some will want to create business model based on that [22:54:10] but that's not the point [22:54:18] right now the project is about designing the tools [22:54:32] Caly: link? [22:54:37] maat, thanks for clarifying. To be honest iv only been following the hardware development. Not the underlying structure of OSE. [22:54:59] However im curious where they get their food from ^^ [22:55:09] maat can i borrow hardware from Factor E Farm? [22:55:39] from what i know they have a garden there which provides a bit, then everyone has to take care of his own food [22:55:46] but i never asked directly [22:56:00] Evil: you want to ship a tractor to europe? [22:56:05] It doesnt seem to be a priority. [22:56:44] No umm [22:57:02] They build tools with money of other people [22:57:22] Can every one use this tools when its done? [22:57:51] well, these are big tools so they stay at the farm i guess [22:58:10] and they dont build tools with money of other people [22:58:19] oh [22:58:26] people give them money to design and release documentation of said tools [22:58:50] so that everyone can have access to open source design of industry standard tools [22:58:58] that's a bit different I think [22:59:05] but that can be done even without money [22:59:06] why you need money for that? [22:59:20] to buy parts? [22:59:59] there should be budget details somewhere on te wiki [23:00:14] that is a complicated subject because there is not yet clear solution [23:01:19] Especially considering that all hardware resources and raw materials have to be imported to OSE. [23:01:40] sounds like an argument for distributed work to me :) [23:01:48] Yeah. [23:02:21] hehe [23:02:22] as a side note, i just exchanged a couple of email with the guy in charge of the IT structure of OSE [23:02:24] it's like in order to design and test something you need hardware, that costs money at current time, but when design is completed you stay with ready equipment the community has no access to, and release the plans [23:02:27] Im really curious why they didnt start off with researching raw material processing before building. It has some logic to it i suppose. [23:02:41] and he should post on the blog at some point to clarify the situation and where they are going [23:02:59] maat, thats great! Thanks. [23:03:04] but keep in mind that we can do europe the way we want :) [23:03:09] at least i hope so [23:03:41] well maat, if else, out motto here is: "Fork, fork, fork!" [23:03:45] they did that kman [23:03:51] eheh [23:04:12] they just buy scrap metal, melt it and craft the pieces they need at the moment i think [23:04:13] lukas i fork your nick. Your using it wrong way :P [23:05:33] from my perspective for example we could build a few tractors and borrow them to local communities when they need it, that would for sure reduce demand for production and need for resources, be probably more ecological as well - at one condition: it gets back with same functionality or improved [23:05:37] the idea for OSE europe at the moment is to use fossil (http://www.fossil-scm.org/fossil/doc/tip/www/index.wiki) [23:05:38] URL Title: Fossil: Fossil [23:06:21] but you should definitely talk about rbose platform to host the project [23:07:13] ,mumble [23:07:14] [3] users online @ RBOSE's Mumble: (for Mumble help, type: ?? mumble) [23:07:15] [3] Projects: DNS, kman, Viper [23:07:20] (: [23:07:35] * not borrow, but lend (sorry, in my native language it's same word) [23:08:33] that's a good idea lukas, and i would probably help the community integrate in the region as well [23:08:59] ,quote random [23:08:59] Evil: Quote #38: "I think computer viruses should count as life. I think it says something about human nature that the only form of life we have created so far is purely destructive. We've created life in our own image. ~ Stephen Hawking" (added by dns at 02:06 PM, August 04, 2010) [23:09:12] eheh [23:09:16] good one [23:09:52] i think we could add new ones [23:09:52] well I had a long and exciting day [23:09:56] :D [23:09:59] so I'm leaving you now :) [23:10:02] oh [23:10:08] have a good evening [23:10:16] http://electric-vehicles-cars-bikes.blogspot.com/2011/06/hybrid-rally-car-banned-for-being-too.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FpEcq+%28Electric+Vehicles%29 [23:10:17] Caly's URL: http://tinyurl.com/3spkebc [23:10:17] URL Title: Hybrid rally car banned for being too fast [video] | Electric Vehicle News [23:10:20] :> [23:10:20] good evening and we will talk soon about all that o/ [23:10:26] lol Caly [23:10:27] maat, what do you think yourself about doing the work not as business but in this area :https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Civil_societies ? [23:10:28] maat: yo [23:10:29] URL Title: Civil society - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [23:10:56] i found half my document on TTLP, but the point i was gonna show off is missing =( [23:11:00] i will read and anwser tomorrow lukas :p [23:11:06] but i will find it, or rephrase it... [23:11:09] sorry, for topping you, but i would really like to know :) [23:11:25] let me give you one link associated with that: [23:11:30] Evil: you ripped all the waves... do you have a complete TTLP text? [23:11:44] on wiki [23:12:30] Caly you mean this? http://www.rbose.org/wiki/Import_Wave/WAVE_doc_links [23:12:31] URL Title: Import Wave/WAVE doc links - RBOSE [23:12:56] waiting for it lukas [23:12:58] Caly and here is list of waves http://www.rbose.org/wiki/Import_Wave/WAVE_wave_links [23:12:59] URL Title: Import Wave/WAVE wave links - RBOSE [23:13:12] maat, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBOA59ArE9M -- i love what some French people are doing! they did a great job in past with blackout europe! [23:13:13] You4Tube 2[Title] [EN] La société civile s'en va t'en guerre à l' e-G8 2[Category] Tech 2[Duration] 0:47:39 2[Views] 90 2[Rating] None 2[Uploaded] 2011-05-26 2[Description] Conférence de presse improvisée pour la société civile constituée pour le e-G8. Improvised press conference of the civil society during the e-G8 Forum in Paris led by Jérémie Zimmermann (porte-parole de La Quadrature du Net) and with Jeff Jarvis (Profess [23:13:59] eheh yea i know that, there was a talk by jeremie at okcon and he talked about eG8 =) [23:14:05] so what was your question again? [23:14:43] there is an interesting community in france indeed [23:15:17] in that great video there is improvised conference of some civil societies and what they do [23:15:57] so, again, i just wonder what you will think about activity in this area? :) [23:16:26] have a good night and sleep well :) [23:16:33] i will sleep on that :) [23:16:37] thank you [23:16:41] bye o/ [23:16:41] yw [23:16:42] `fortune [23:16:43] Evil: Are you a turtle? [23:16:49] bye maat :) [23:16:59] * Evil turtle :D [23:17:15] `fortune [23:17:16] Evil: Q: How do you save a drowning lawyer? A: Throw him a rock. [23:17:34] loool [23:18:38] `fortune [23:18:38] lukas: There will be big changes for you but you will be happy. [23:19:13] maybe change fortune trigger into `believe LOL [23:19:19] lol [23:53:58] *** Joins: Billll (qwebirc@RBOSE-i1n87k.res.rr.com)