[00:20:13] *** Joins: nairboon_ (nairboon@RBOSE-olmsjk.cust.bluewin.ch) [00:20:13] *** Quits: nairboon (nairboon@RBOSE-olmsjk.cust.bluewin.ch) (Connection closed) [00:20:13] *** nairboon_ is now known as nairboon [00:33:40] DNS, i'm going to put that FHL on the wiki. Any suggestions for modifications before i do it? [00:42:15] hm not atm, but i prefer term "copyleft hardware" better than free hardware [00:42:18] ;D [00:42:46] just more clear (for me) [00:46:12] maybe DNS, but i think it should be FH since it's crucial to approach it in a way overcoming physical restrains [00:48:03] ok let me say it so, nearly all free software you can get for no costs, in other words free too, but free harwadware tell me how many of free hardware you can get at 0 costs? [00:53:33] by using abundant materials [00:53:51] how many existing free hardware you can get for 0€ ? [00:53:53] tell me [00:54:18] i think its a small precentage of what is there as free hardware [00:54:26] for now at least [00:55:38] DNS, sure, when guys at FSF started their work there was not much Free Software either [00:56:02] actually, there was.. None [00:56:16] i mean theres not much free hardware for 0 costs [00:56:24] the most free hardware costs you money [00:56:32] and free software dont [00:56:45] theres is that difference for this point of time [00:59:41] DNS you do need PC to use free software [00:59:50] Other way its useless you cant even store it [01:00:17] i do know this [01:00:24] ^^ [01:00:54] free software make your hardware more free i guess [01:01:15] DNS, we have everything from nature. To whom mother nature gives money or who gives money to mother nature? To no one and no one. Therefore in fact all the stuff we have is created without money and can be obtained without money. We just need to find the way. [01:01:46] i speak of current situation lukas [01:01:51] not about future [01:01:55] lukas PC's are Evil so Evil made them :D [01:02:08] sharing is Evil [01:02:55] DNS, I'm interested in solutions to current situation. [01:03:10] me too [01:03:12] ;) [01:03:36] So let's figure out how to change status quo. [01:05:24] DNS there is freehardware [01:05:36] Any crap that you can get for free is free hardware lol [01:05:47] THe key is How to use it right way [01:07:00] if i get a broken tv on the streets then its at 0 costs but it dont makes the license of the construction plan copyleft [01:07:38] If you build laser cutter from it :D [01:07:50] ^^ [01:07:52] Evil tools :D [01:07:59] 2x Evil tools haha [01:20:18] *** Quits: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) (Connection closed) [02:01:42] Caly, please check query :) [02:30:45] *** Evil is now known as Viper [02:30:51] *** Viper is now known as Evil [02:35:43] ,whoami [02:35:43] Evil: Evil [02:38:44] ,quote get 183 [02:38:44] Evil: Quote #183: "Freedom is not the same as openness. You can abuse someone openly." (added by Evil at 12:37 AM, July 08, 2011) [02:39:02] :D [03:10:01] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAG0HkpDnaM&html5=True [03:10:02] You4Tube 2[Title] The Empathic Civilisation 2[Category] People 2[Duration] 0:10:40 2[Views] 38815 2[Rating] 4.96 2[Uploaded] 2010-05-26 2[Description] Bestselling author, political adviser and social and ethical prophet Jeremy Rifkin investigates the evolution of empathy and the profound ways that it has shaped our development and our society. 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To learn more about the news system go to http://rbose.org/wiki/News [09:56:25] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-3si.lt5.216.41.IP) [10:09:29] good morning :) [10:36:27] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-ta53m0.bredband.skanova.com) [10:36:47] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [11:31:22] *** Joins: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-uvec0q.tbcn.telia.com) [12:21:50] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-3si.lt5.216.41.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [12:48:07] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfR9nDsvBk8 [12:48:08] You4Tube 2[Title] Aquaponics HOW TO 2[Category] People 2[Duration] 0:07:49 2[Views] 5819 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2011-05-28 2[Description] Everything you need to know to build an aquaponic Fish farm in your back yard. Facebook: http://on.fb.me/theUFGs Web: http://bit.ly/jy9MFn The Urban Farming Guys are putting aquaponic technology into your hands. The freshest vegetables and fish to your plate on the planet. About us http:// [12:49:46] http://theurbanfarmingguys.com/ [12:49:47] URL Title: Sharing Knowlege... Feeding Nations [12:51:07] *** Joins: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-3si.lt5.216.41.IP) [12:55:11] Caly, interesting, but have a look at: http://theurbanfarmingguys.com/join - another "True Ally" [12:55:12] URL Title: Join Us | The Urban Farming Guys [12:56:05] and what is the license they use? [12:59:10] *** Quits: iamme (iamme@RBOSE-3si.lt5.216.41.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [13:06:16] lukas: yeah, most people ain't thinking further than that, sadly, or they don't have enough intel to set up something like Karm, but then again, neither have we.. yet! [13:07:10] i don't have to join them, i just have to help developing it by making plans avaliable under free terms on our wiki ;) [13:08:03] yes, we need to work out the details for sharing system to be able to speak about real solutions [13:22:24] Caly, from my perspective the implementation is much simpler than forming the concepts and models behind it [13:42:30] i suppose.. [13:59:54] *** Joins: nairboon (nairboon@RBOSE-olmsjk.cust.bluewin.ch) [14:10:12] lukas: i agree. Giving people first pieces of the puzzle seems to be the hardest thing [14:13:17] kalken, at the points when we get clear visions for our endeavors, it's not only much easier to create something coherent from point A to point Z, but as well it's easy for other people to jump in help in the process [14:13:32] btw, hi kalken :D [14:13:52] hi :) [15:10:16] hi kalken =) [15:20:56] DNS: I think it's great with free hardware and that you usually don't get it gratis. then it will be easier for folk to grasp the actual idea behind it and don't think of it as "gratis hardware" as people usually do with software. [15:22:04] lukas: ofcourse there were free software before FSF started. [15:24:00] Caly: hi :) [15:40:11] kalken: I usually see it as small puzzles, and then you can connect them for the bigger picture. But atleast if people start somewhere, maybe just sharing clothes, knowing they will also get clothes back. It's a start. Don't have to have a whole system around it. [15:40:15] (for everything) [15:40:51] (or maybe I missinterpret you?) [15:57:26] *** Evil is now known as Viper [16:00:47] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [16:03:43] *** Quits: nairboon (nairboon@RBOSE-olmsjk.cust.bluewin.ch) (Client exited) [16:04:18] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE.org) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [16:04:37] *** Joins: nairboon (nairboon@RBOSE-olmsjk.cust.bluewin.ch) [16:06:15] scrdcow, yeah, it can be started with one kind of products (like in past with software) and extended to other ones if that would work [16:06:35] *** Quits: nairboon (nairboon@RBOSE-olmsjk.cust.bluewin.ch) (Client exited) [16:10:13] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-ta53m0.bredband.skanova.com) [16:10:34] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [16:32:24] lukas: It can be vast differences that doesn't make everything work under the same premise. except that it's good to share and you want to encourage that. [16:41:40] scrdcow: indeed. Divide and conqueror is the method i usually use. e.g think about the end, and loop back to the beginning to solve all small problems along the way [16:41:59] yes [16:44:58] scrdcow, maybe there is a big difference maybe not, it all depends on the perspective [16:45:31] yes [16:46:34] that's sort of what I meant by premise. that it can be hard to think out something that fits everything except "please share" [16:46:43] least common denominator [16:46:52] you can see iron, oxygen, nitrogen, nickel, carbon, uranium, ... a stuff which looks very different way to most people, or you can see a chemical element, understand how it works and the differences are minor [16:48:26] 40 music albums released within last 23.1 hours http://www.jamendo.com/en/rss/last-albums <--- the same principles from free software applied to art [16:48:27] URL Title: JamendoJamendoDOWNLOW RIDDIM [16:48:36] ,albums [16:48:37] Number of albums: 49774 [16:48:53] :) [16:51:20] scrdcow, the musical "source code" is growing as well http://lmms.sourceforge.net/lsp/index.php [16:51:21] URL Title: LMMS Sharing Platform [16:54:30] yes [16:54:38] thought you meant first a musical called source code hehe [16:55:10] oh, don't know about it, lol [16:55:11] different people playing different functions and the lead actor is the user that just want to print a fucking paper on the printer [16:55:15] it was just a joke [16:55:24] but thought you actually meant that first :-D [16:56:54] we actually kind of made that at school, felt really lame. envisioned code by playing different variables and moving around in the classroom. [17:21:57] let me guys paste something... [17:23:21] http://pastebin.com/qp7tXHfG [17:23:23] URL Title: With this change, man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real co - Pastebin.com [17:23:26] kalken, ^ [17:32:34] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [17:33:22] -nobody- Kebap23 has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [17:33:24] i never read it before even if it's quite famous, http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/my_pubs/dcm.html#tex2html2 but it's a nice read which i would recommend [17:33:25] URL Title: The dotCommunist Manifesto [17:33:39] *** Quits: Kebap (Max@RBOSE-jtd0id.adsl.alicedsl.de) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [17:33:40] *** Joins: Kebap (Max@RBOSE-90mvh2.adsl.alicedsl.de) [17:35:41] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE.org) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [17:37:46] -nobody- Kebap23 has joined on FREENODE [17:52:56] ,quote add Protecting the ownership of ideas requires the suppression of free technology, which means the suppression of free speech. The power of the State is employed to prohibit free creation. Scientists, artists, engineers and students are prevented from creating or sharing knowledge, on the ground that their ideas imperil the owners' property in the system of cultural production and distribution. ~ Eben Moglen [17:52:56] lukas: The operation succeeded. Quote #185 added. [18:09:10] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-ta53m0.bredband.skanova.com) [18:09:29] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [18:09:42] ,quote add Creators of knowledge, technology, and culture discover that they no longer require the structure of production based on ownership and the structure of distribution based on coercion of payment. Association, and its anarchist model of propertyless production, makes possible the creation of free software, through which creators gain control of the technology of further production. ~ Eben Moglen [18:09:42] lukas: The operation succeeded. Quote #186 added. [18:17:23] nice one lukas ! [18:18:38] http://inhabitat.com/ask-a-tech-geek-what-are-some-easy-ways-to-reduce-my-laptop%E2%80%99s-energy-consumption/ <--- it's simple "article" but he suggest to disable fla$h to wider audience :D [18:18:39] URL Title: ASK A TECH GEEK: What Are Some Easy Ways to Reduce My Laptop’s Energy Consumption? | Inhabitat - Green Design Will Save the World [18:25:52] gnu: http://ircz.de/p/4e2e6a0a0f577ea67e9030d62a7aff3c787b378d [18:25:53] URL Title: Are you ready for this? [18:28:53] tux: http://ircz.de/p/574f4814b78f3e97e1b07a564509f92acf07cda2 [18:28:54] URL Title: Are you ready for this? [18:30:18] Kebap http://lolpics.se/pics/27085.jpg :D [18:30:56] true, i often do this :) [18:31:19] every one do :D [18:33:04] * lukas does not [18:33:30] ok lukas is not everyone :D [18:33:38] lol [18:34:19] http://lolpics.se/pics/24562.jpg [18:37:16] any RBOSE fans out there? http://lolpics.se/pics/24870.jpg [18:37:18] LOL [18:53:29] http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/free-cad/index.php?title=FreeCAD_Scripting_Basics [18:53:30] URL Title: SourceForge.net: FreeCAD Scripting Basics - free-cad [18:56:45] nice [19:19:16] -nobody- _Darren has joined on FREENODE [19:19:58] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> Was chatting to someon about rbose looking for land in Spain.... [19:20:20] yeah [19:20:41] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> was you by different name? [19:21:05] no maybe Caly? [19:21:54] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> maybe tho want using that name ..... name was something to do with FOSS? [19:22:15] Hi _Darren, you talked with me :) [19:22:55] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> Aha..... spent some time with my mate who part owns land..... [19:23:00] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> they want to sell [19:23:23] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> they been developing it for self sufficient community [19:23:43] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> got an old house + (I think other structures) [19:24:49] For us it's to early to say anything, we are working on that plan to visit Spain first which i mentioned to you. We want to see how life there looks like before we make a decision to move there. [19:25:37] As far I remember you mentioned that they want to focus on working locally at the UK. [19:26:17] -nobody- fossrox has joined on FREENODE [19:26:18] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v fossrox [19:26:42] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> Land is in the south - boarders on the Rio Grande river [19:26:55] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> Yeah right about wanting to work in UK [19:28:08] 05<03fossrox@FREENODE05> _Darren, could you share more detailed information about it's parameters? If you don't want to do that in channel (publicly logged) then please use my query if you would like. [19:30:49] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> Think it was £125000 they looking for and 1.2 Hectares [19:30:51] 05<03fossrox@FREENODE05> btw, how it's going? did you achieve anything you wanted? Media here are silenced on the subject. Almost no info at all. [19:31:39] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> There is a spring in the bank of the river - on the other side of the river that they use. [19:32:29] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> Not sure what I'm trying to achieve :) But I'm good thanks. [19:33:00] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> You? [19:33:40] 05<03fossrox@FREENODE05> I read today this doc just out of curiosity and not political orientation but it was a very nice read , maybe it will inspire you http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/my_pubs/dcm.html#tex2html2 [19:33:41] URL Title: The dotCommunist Manifesto [19:37:31] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> IN UK media coverage is not great... I use twitter and other socila networks/websites to keep informed [19:38:08] 05<03fossrox@FREENODE05> btw, it's created by one of staff people at FSF, co-creator of GPL and other licenses, founder of the FreedomBox project, hacker, prof of law and prof of history, and guy who setup Software Freedom Law Center where he fights patents and works probono for creators of digital culture, in other words looks like he knows what is going on :) [19:39:16] 05<03fossrox@FREENODE05> I was inspired a lot in past by few of his speeches. [19:39:34] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> Aha I know who you mean - cant remember name..... link not working for me tho....says "emoglen.law.columbia.edu taking to long to respond" ???? [19:40:21] works for me [19:42:53] 05<03fossrox@FREENODE05> _Darren, how long your friends can wait for any decision and is there for example a channel where we could contact you? [19:44:16] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> They are advertising it now in quite a few places - have been for a couple of months. Dont think there has been much interest. [19:45:27] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> Just got back from a trip to France and NE Spain [19:46:44] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> Travelled down for free on used cooking oil.... stayed with different friends - all in old farm houses- two lots renting + one who bought 10 years ago [19:47:04] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> Also went to crazy festival in South France [19:47:42] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> Everything was free/donation (up to you) entry / food / alcohol !!!!! [19:48:51] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> In an old mining village that is sqatted in the mountains. Been like that for 20 years [19:49:54] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> Website not been changed for some time - http://collectif.valette.free.fr/village.htm [19:49:55] URL Title: village [19:50:15] 05<04Calyp@FREENODE05> _Darren: SOUNDS AWESOME =p [19:50:23] 05<04Calyp@FREENODE05> sry caps [19:50:43] 05<03fossrox@FREENODE05> :D [19:55:27] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> Link still not working for me... mirror anywhere??? [19:58:27] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> Ijust found at speakfreeforum.com/forum/forum24/3241.html [20:02:25] 11<11Viper@FREENODE11> _Darren http://pastebin.com/mt4QFdCq [20:02:26] URL Title: The dotCommunist Manifesto Eben Moglen* January 2003 A Spectre is haunting - Pastebin.com [20:03:40] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> fossrox not on IRC much but can get me by commenting at https://network23.org/dazinism/ [20:03:41] URL Title: Intense Dazinism | a blog [20:03:52] 13<08_Darren@FREENODE13> cheers Viper [20:42:06] *** Joins: Hakufu (jsajfsagj@RBOSE-1na.vu5.58.109.IP) [21:01:59] -nobody- _Darren has quit FREENODE (Quit: Page closed) [21:03:17] Development summary for last 24 hours: [21:03:18] 3 edits in the wiki http://rbose.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges [21:03:19] 40 music albums released within last 22.3 hours http://www.jamendo.com/en/rss/last-albums [21:03:20] To stay updated in real time join #developers #mumble #news #pms and #wiki channels. To learn more about the news system go to http://rbose.org/wiki/News [21:12:51] *** Joins: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-cn22bv.pool.telekom.hu) [21:13:39] *** Quits: Hakufu (jsajfsagj@RBOSE-1na.vu5.58.109.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [21:20:58] *** Joins: Hakufu (jsajfsagj@RBOSE-1na.vu5.58.109.IP) [21:36:14] *** Parts: dirt (dirt@RBOSE-cn22bv.pool.telekom.hu) [21:54:09] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-eZpn-Y274&html5=True [21:54:10] You4Tube 2[Title] Endgame Blueprint Global Enslavement HD+Dutch Subtitles Full 2Hrs20min eXposing NWO Puppeteers! 2[Category] Nonprofit 2[Duration] 2:20:47 2[Views] 5798 2[Rating] 4.85 2[Uploaded] 2010-12-28 2[Description] http://infopowerment.whynotnews.eu Translated by: Sandy (Belgium) & Apollo98 ~credits docu: http://infowars.com http://youtube.com/TheAlexJonesChannel http://alexjones.whynotnews.eu ~sub: http://youtube.com/Wome [22:18:08] *** Quits: Hakufu (jsajfsagj@RBOSE-1na.vu5.58.109.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [22:23:06] -nobody- fossrox has left on FREENODE [22:28:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDZ3x4Lazqg [22:28:39] You4Tube 2[Title] Jazz Liberatorz - What's Real (Feat. Emanon) 2[Category] Music 2[Duration] 0:05:17 2[Views] 14814 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2009-11-08 2[Description] Album : Fruit Of The Past [22:34:01] nice song, beat and lyrix [22:34:10] but well my taste :p [23:24:19] hey DNS :) [23:24:42] video i post today early has been deleted LOL [23:24:44] hola hombre [23:24:50] yt delete whole account [23:24:51] D: [23:25:21] -nobody- nick change by Viper to Out`Of`Control on FREENODE [23:25:36] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBzR0-j0O0o < older but still one of his bests [23:25:37] You4Tube 2[Title] RAP NEWS 3: Lord Monckton rap-battles Al Gore on Climate Change 2[Category] Comedy 2[Duration] 0:06:40 2[Views] 141686 2[Rating] 4.76 2[Uploaded] 2009-11-17 2[Description] http://thejuicemedia.com Rap News - episode 3: Al Gore finally accepts Lord Monckton's challenge to a highly uncivilized debate over the issue of anthropogenic climate change, as we count down to the Copenhagen Climate Conference - aka COP15 - in [23:28:26] Viper which one? [23:28:39] [21:54] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-eZpn-Y274&html5=True [23:28:40] [21:54] YouTube [Title] Endgame Blueprint Global Enslavement HD+Dutch Subtitles Full 2Hrs20min eXposing NWO Puppeteers! [Category] Nonprofit [Duration] 2:20:47 [Views] 5798 [Rating] 4.85 [Uploaded] 2010-12-28 [Description] http://infopowerment.whynotnews.eu Translated by: Sandy (Belgium) & Apollo98 ~credits docu: http://infowars.com http://youtube.com/TheAlexJonesChannel http://alexjones.whynotnews.eu ~sub: http://youtube.com/Wome [23:28:48] I keep downloading stuff since the delete so much [23:28:50] URL Title: ~New Kind of Unity against NWO Tyranny!~ � Project Infopowerment Truthers Alliance [23:32:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKtB_ZepgqI [23:32:39] You4Tube 2[Title] Impromptu Robert Foster performance at the Free Julian Assange Rally in Melbourne on 10 Dec. 2010 2[Category] Nonprofit 2[Duration] 0:02:52 2[Views] 27687 2[Rating] 4.95 2[Uploaded] 2010-12-11 2[Description] Robert Foster making an impromptu appearance at the free Julian Assange rally in Melbourne, Australia, 10 December 2010. While many were being mesmerised by Oprah in Federation Square, thousands of free-speec [23:40:28] btw Viper strange that they deleted it in last hours if the vid was uploaded at [Uploaded] 2010-12-28 [23:41:15] maybe call dutch gov and ask whatz up [23:41:19] jk lol [23:41:38] DNS this is one of the one complain to google make it gone http://www.youtube.com/EriGIA007 [23:41:39] URL Title: YouTube - EriGIA007s kanal [23:41:43] i think