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[19:22:51] *** Joins: Lorena (qwebirc@RBOSE-bemh43.mobileonline.telia.com) [19:23:06] Hello? Came to inform myself [19:23:13] can anyone help me? [19:23:27] Lorena Hi [19:23:31] How can i help you? [19:23:44] Hello, I'm Lorena, from TZM Spain, and just moved to Stockholm. [19:24:08] We're trying to focus on open source solutions as a transition strategy and someone told me about RBOSE [19:24:23] ah i see [19:24:44] Lorena welcome to RBOSE [19:24:46] Right now I'm coordinating some TZM activities in Stockholm and would love to know more about you guys and see I I can help with anything [19:25:37] We would like to stay away from tzm. [19:26:03] what TZMStockholm is working right now in is this: http://sync.in/loveyouall but I came personally cause I'm particularly interested in knowing you and your projects [19:26:04] URL Title: Sync.in: loveyouall [19:26:07] But you are welcome to join any project or open new one. [19:26:18] Here you can see some of our projects http://www.rbose.org/wiki/Projects [19:26:19] URL Title: Projects - RBOSE [19:27:13] I know there was a kind of split I would also know about, cause we're starting to be tired of this pro-demonstration and do-nothing groups [19:27:24] Lorena and check out our policy http://rbose.org/wiki/RBOSE:General_disclaimer [19:27:25] URL Title: RBOSE:Policy - RBOSE [19:27:57] and particularly I'm interested in starting to cooperate with groups like OSE and so [19:28:07] thanks, check it and come back! [19:28:43] Lorena you are welcome! :) [19:29:15] great policy document! [19:29:20] congratulations [19:29:42] I'd like to know if I can find anyone in Stockholm [19:30:50] Lorena i think yes [19:30:59] But maybe they are afk now [19:31:44] also, if you think you can help us by adding any info in our sustainability public document, please feel free to modify it [19:32:12] it's just something i started to keep the group focused in solutions and self responsability [19:32:30] you know what happened with tzm members? [19:32:43] no [19:33:08] TZM is one big lie [19:33:16] I donp't think so [19:33:41] I can say only nothing good cam from talking about tzm. [19:33:48] I'm an international coord for Spain and do nothing but tryin to change my lifestyle to open source stream [19:34:34] then we have the massive "change-the-world" trance... but active members are trying nothing but to bring OS solutions and awareness [19:35:06] exactly only spam around. Spread more spam, and not working on any solutions [19:35:23] I mean... if we got here, is because we understood we need to work on the solutions [19:35:27] We work other way. [19:35:32] and TZM is starting to do so [19:35:38] that's how most chapters feel [19:35:52] we want to help out in any OS project or help starting others [19:35:56] I say change Your life then other people will see it. If they like they can copy it. Not act like church or something telling other people how to live [19:36:11] that's what real zeitgeisters are doing [19:36:35] at least in the countries I've been to [19:36:54] Lorena i don't know if you know that. But we have in rbose X admins/mods of tzm [19:37:00] but out of 200 members you can find just 10 REAL activists doing so [19:37:33] no, didn't know that, so you're still in cooperation ? [19:37:58] So as a person youa re welcome sure we can work all together and share knowladge. But not as tzm. PJ is tzm [19:38:14] Lorena X admins/mods they left tzm quit it [19:38:23] mmm that's what people who really understood the good way istrying to avoid in tzm [19:38:24] scrdcow: gtypist r0x [19:38:45] hey DNS :D [19:38:48] tzm is doin shit, they just talk [19:38:59] i mean they do nothing excpet adverts [19:39:08] thats their speciality [19:39:10] exactly [19:39:23] adverts and pointin out monetary problems [19:39:28] zeitgeisters don't think PJ is tzm.. but the ones we already understood we need to be the change...we want to start working on OS projects. That's what brought me here [19:39:32] but wwhat do they actucally DO for a change [19:39:40] except talk? [19:39:43] Lorena anyone as a person is welcome to work in rbose projects. As person not as tzm [19:39:51] I'm not quiting tzm, at all, but I'm right now in Stockholm and would love to cooperate [19:39:54] myself [19:40:11] tbh tzm is like a sect to me [19:40:17] and probably the few members who attend the working sessions instead of the "street activism" [19:40:26] theres no big difference betwen work of sects and tzm [19:40:51] Lorena we even send letter to PJ lol [19:41:17] BE the change, but not adverts change and do nothing [19:41:31] adverts = advertise [19:41:40] i don't think youre arguments are rational at all, so I'd love to know what you guys are doing and stop receiving those judgements about tzm... I'm also in contact with pj cause I'm a coord for Spain... but doesn't matter cause he doesn't make the rules [19:42:14] Lorena so tell us what tzm is actuaclly DOING [19:42:18] let us hear [19:42:22] what kind of projects [19:42:32] I'll tell you my story if you let me , ok? [19:43:09] sure... [19:43:28] tssk, Lorena, i USED to be the SPOKESMAN for the Swedish chapter, until they reversed the order of things, so i became a servan and messenger of PJ and his tyrant helpers, instead of the other way around. [19:43:43] under that innocent name "coordinator" [19:44:05] Started two years ago with a group which had already started. To make it shorter I'll tell you I've been doing street activism and "workshops" for the ones who already considered themselves "activists" about true relationships in oposition to our christian conception of it. [19:44:17] the zeitard cult for people talking the walk instead of walking it. [19:44:37] its good to do something on streets [19:44:45] Can I continue? getting no respect at all makes it quite difficult [19:44:50] but shouldnt be the only thign to ADVERTISE MOVIES AND SHIT [19:44:59] sure sorry [19:45:01] DNS totally agree [19:45:12] that's why I want to tell you the whole story [19:45:15] :) [19:45:21] then [19:45:40] anyone help link to our full letter. Lorena we send that letter more then 2 years a go [19:46:01] *have [19:46:13] i have only part of it umm [19:46:38] after realising just 4 people in the 40 people group, including myself, were really changing their lifes , I felt they were not prepared for anything but grabing the mike :P So I left on a european tour to simply learn and help others [19:46:43] Lorena: this communiy exits solely because TZM turned in to a closed cultish top-down hierarchial system of non-transparency, economical interests anfd general egoistic self-servant actions of it's management, excuse us if we have a hard time respecting any of it. [19:46:54] i continue... [19:47:04] Lorena yes go on :) [19:47:13] Caly word! [19:47:50] exits=exists [19:47:52] So I came to Stockholm, last year... spent two months with Daniel, Thomas, Navid etc... Doing... guess what! street activism! :P But I kept on traveling and went to Germany [19:47:56] Lorena: sonds like you would do more good in our realms than in the zeitard cult [19:49:15] Lorena: the Swdish chapter is rubbish, all the good constructive folks left after a central decision (!!!) putting a ducebag in the coordinatior post [19:49:41] lol [19:49:42] central as in DarkDancer et al. [19:49:50] :/ [19:50:04] Lorena: and the place they went from there is... HERE =P [19:50:22] Sama as with DNS (former IRC operator for zeitcult) [19:50:36] In Germany, with Franky and the guys, we did different things, I guess much more productive stuff, which consisted on giving lectures in different institutions, but still was just spreading info about monetary system and stuff. Actually we were learnign so that was ok, and we also realised there are milions of people out there who still need to go throug that information stage. Like that we did Poland, Czech Rep, till we worked on ZMForward [19:51:11] And lukas, former main wiki and pootle admin before the rulers fobid useage and development of free and open solutions... X( [19:51:46] ist goes on, you get the point. [19:51:49] *Lkst [19:51:52] *ÄList [19:51:57] ffs... [19:52:00] List [19:52:07] keybdslexai ftw [19:52:08] Then we went for a national meeting in Barcelona, where the ones who realised we need more freedom to have more time to really make it happen, were just my tour partner and me. And people kept on doing the same stuff in their lives, A YEAR AFTER WE LEFT! [19:52:39] haha, not suprised the least xD [19:52:55] We did a Spanish tour, "fought" the spanish revolutionaries (HAHAHAHA) and then went to the european meeting in Bratislava [19:53:53] Where ...surprise! a bunch of frustrated coordinators who were the only ones ready to really CHANGE their lives (and not all of the guys) [19:54:10] here we are all about mapping and making the necessary tools for smart change [19:54:48] So the italian coord brought something really important up: We need to start... maybe not working on the transition, but considering the alternatives we have: we found 1 and it's OS. [19:55:03] most part of us had already been working on that stream [19:55:05] of course [19:55:26] but I'm talking about a few people ...not about the chapters they came from... [19:55:51] so when we went back to spain and seriously talked about this with the guys [19:55:52] nationally [19:56:00] damn right, to some extent there has even been pure hostility towards OS solutions in theor midst [19:56:09] *their [19:56:32] people suddenly started to work in that way.... So TZMSpain started to focus on OS solutions [19:56:44] Australia and Argentina also did good stuff around [19:56:50] and I don't think they're the only ones [19:56:51] but [19:56:59] Z became a brand to wear [19:57:03] that is what wee did in Sweden four years ago, it got forcefully rejected from the commnunity [19:57:10] and I don't care about th label [19:57:25] the ones who care.... I don't consider them activists at all [19:57:45] lables are bullshit [19:57:47] If you had to deal with TZMSpain, I guess the relationship must have been much different [19:58:01] and FINALLY [19:58:06] the reason why I'm here: [19:58:16] Spain was wuite late at forming an active chapter [19:58:22] *quite late [19:58:38] yeah? [19:58:50] I hope not to tell us about how good tzm is. LOL [19:59:01] * Viper joke [19:59:02] came back to sweden. Love the guys, I love them, but they were doing nothing anc acting very "hipócritas" with htmeselves.... [19:59:28] i know EXACTLY what you mean.. [19:59:31] <--Swede [20:00:24] I found 40 people gathers to "give their opinions" and "defend democracy" and ... (true story) 4 people gather to study and discuss the doc I gave you before http://sync.in/loveyouall and create OS projects, even though everyone says "yeah! taht's what we have to do!" [20:00:25] URL Title: Sync.in: loveyouall [20:00:37] We need inspire people by action NOT by talking. Politician are doing that.... [20:01:12] `f [20:01:13] Viper: You are number 6! Who is number one? [20:01:17] lol [20:01:18] also technical descions should be made be technical ppl and not by for exampel a moviemaker [20:01:34] be=by [20:01:43] that is why I came to you guys, cause a tzm member told me about you and I don't care about anything but those solutions [20:01:45] yeah [20:02:01] I wonder who was that lol [20:02:07] Maybe he is even here ^^ [20:02:12] already lived the previous stages, as you read.. [20:02:12] smart friend [20:02:13] heh [20:02:55] ??rbose [20:03:04] huh [20:03:04] u miss a space [20:03:08] ?? rbose [20:03:08] rbose[1]: Resource Based Open Source Environment is a totally free environment without leaders nor governments where you can collaborate with people on projects all around the world. [20:03:10] rbose[2]: RBOSE is a communication platform of people interested in open sourced solutions based on resource management and implementing them in our daily lives. This group is dedicated to openness, fairness and transparency in development. We value diversity, creativity and sustainability. We don't recognize nations, religion nor politics. We believe in organic development, a development which speaks for it self. http://rbose.org/wiki [20:03:12] rbose[3]: You can search from IRC through our wiki by typing: !r [20:03:18] Oh not resource LOL [20:03:21] hahaha [20:03:22] !pillow DNS [20:03:22] ACTION quickly throws a pillow in the face of DNS [20:03:26] well i told you [20:03:31] you can change that too [20:03:39] i can not maintain everything sorry [20:03:43] its Reasearch not resource [20:03:57] DNS ok i will try that :D [20:05:26] So, if you aguys can send me to anyone in Stockholm so I could meet him/her/them [20:05:36] hm [20:05:43] what abouat fscons [20:05:48] he was some1 from stockholm but i dont remember who [20:05:50] it would be great to motivate my small OS team :P [20:06:03] Lorena: yea check out the fscons [20:06:20] !w fscons [20:06:21] I know some guys from rbose will be at fscons [20:06:21] DNS: nah, i don't think we have anyone in Stockholm at all. [20:06:22] The page "Fscons" does not exist. You can ask for it to be created, but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered. For search help, please visit Help:Searching. [20:06:25] hm [20:06:32] !g fscons [20:06:35] 47,700 results | FSCONS 2011 | FSCONS @ http://fscons.org/ | FSCONS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FSCONS | FSCONS (@fscons) on Twitter @ http://twitter.com/fscons [20:06:58] wait a minute... new here, what's fscons? [20:07:06] check out the links above [20:07:14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FSCONS [20:07:15] URL Title: FSCONS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [20:07:18] http://fscons.org/ [20:07:19] URL Title: FSCONS 2011 | FSCONS [20:07:41] Only you need to buy a ticket :/ [20:07:44] http://my.fscons.org/schedule/ [20:07:46] URL Title: Schedule | My fscons [20:08:11] should I check it to find people in Stockholm?? [20:08:12] !w FCONS [20:08:13] The page "FCONS" does not exist. You can ask for it to be created, but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered. For search help, please visit Help:Searching. [20:08:18] "17:00 Richard Stallman at Runan Nov 10," [20:08:19] !w FSCONS [20:08:22] FSCONS | FSCONS (Free Society Conference and Nordic Summit) is a Nordic conference trying to bridge the gap between software and cultural freedom held each autumn in Gothenburg, Sweden. It shares many similarities with FOSDEM in the way in which the event is structured, but where the latter attracts speakers and visitors primarily interested in Free software, FSCONS aims to attract a more diverse crowd. [20:08:23] It was first held in 2007. @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FSCONS [20:08:24] \o/ [20:08:26] <_> [20:08:33] \0/ [20:09:20] i hope he wont be spreading tzm in there haha [20:09:33] where? [20:09:41] here [20:09:43] hehe [20:09:44] Lorena: Gothemburg [20:09:49] Göteborg [20:09:55] :D [20:10:08] does that mean u are from Gothemburg? [20:10:29] no i am not [20:10:39] or the conference? [20:10:44] yeah [20:10:58] Most of the Swedish RBOSE folks are in the southern parts, a few in the Uppsala area, someone in Umeå, one in an eco-village in Dalarna, but most in gothemburg/malmoe area [20:11:02] So there are no projects right now being developed in Stockholm? [20:11:37] Maybe there's any informed supporter I could adress to [20:11:41] Lorena: the conference, and a few of the Swedish RBOSE folks are in gothemburg, but not me. I WILL come to FSCONS though, ticket bought and paid since long [20:12:19] hopefully the stream works fine this year :D [20:12:33] we are not very many in RBOSE, there are not projects in development in every city xD [20:12:39] Lorena here is letter i was talking about http://pastebin.com/CESrS4Bw [20:12:40] URL Title: START OF LETTER LETTER HAS BEEN SENT ON 06. FEBRUARY, 08:00 A.M. UTC, BY GMAN - Pastebin.com [20:12:54] uh hahaha BY gman lol [20:13:02] Gman/Ray [20:13:11] Lorena: are you a swede living in stockholm? [20:13:19] I'm spanish [20:13:26] I live in Stockholm [20:13:29] Lorena: oh ok. but your living in stockholm? ok :-) [20:13:30] spanish fire [20:13:31] for a few months [20:13:32] :D [20:13:46] Lorena: and you want to get together with free software folks or... ? [20:13:49] Lorena: i'm a Swede leaving for Spain xD [20:13:56] hrhr [20:14:16] i lived not far from Stockholm, now i live far south, just to make the move to Spain easier xD [20:14:38] yes, I'd like to start working on stuff with tzm Spain and the few who are ready to work in OS projects would probably join any project we found around [20:14:56] with tzm Stockholm sorry* [20:15:12] huh [20:15:15] so if there are projects already being developed here [20:15:30] I don't have to start my own but help finishing others, I guess [20:15:36] well, we are building our own RepRaps, slow progress [20:15:36] Lorena: ah ok. I see. I was just thingking about hackerspaces, but if your into tzm, maybe you should talk to them instead. [20:15:37] Yes but we do not spam/promote stuff [20:15:49] tzm doesnt develop anything except adverts [20:15:49] I KNOW [20:15:54] just wanna join projects [20:15:58] no labels [20:15:58] Lorena: hehe [20:16:01] Barcelona hackerspace has a chan on Freenode [20:16:07] Lorena: whatever gives? [20:16:07] u still think I came to make propaganda? [20:16:35] Lorena: nono, I wast just meaning. if your plan was to try to work with them, then maybe it's easier to talk to them about what they are up to. [20:16:45] Lorena if you are looking for tzm projects. Then maybe ask at tzm. Sorry i don't understand [20:16:49] Spain has a bunch of nice sistainable housing communities, they make far more good than tzm chapters anywhere ;) [20:16:57] I am the only one coordinating stuff in Stockholm right now [20:17:03] so [20:17:11] i got 4 out of fucking 40 people [20:17:16] to really work on something [20:17:19] Lorena: ah.. what are your interests for projects? [20:17:53] we are a few people with different skills [20:17:56] (I know some people in stockholm and I can maybe cordinate to people if I know what direction your heading) [20:17:58] yeah, Stockholm was a dead area when i was the spokesman as well, fuck them lazy snobbs! [20:18:13] I guess I can help by studying the projects u're doing and be two more arms by the moment [20:18:20] but live with a programmer [20:18:22] Stockholm consists of arrogant ignorant fucktards... [20:18:22] algo interested [20:18:26] xD [20:18:30] Lorena skills are not important. Important is what you like to work on. ANyone can develop learn get skills [20:18:32] please keep objective [20:18:46] Viper: Word! [20:18:48] yep [20:19:07] I'd like to know which projects are being developed [20:19:19] and then join the one/s I'm gonna be more helpful in+ [20:19:32] ok, I understand. [20:19:35] You can join existing one or open new one. :) [20:19:45] and of course communicate with the members [20:19:48] of the teams [20:19:54] ?? pms [20:19:56] pms[1]: Project Management Software: http://pms.rbose.org [20:19:58] pms[2]: PMS Wiki: http://rbose.org/wiki/Project_management_software [20:20:27] Thank you for all the links [20:20:28] Lorena when you get time read http://rbose.org/wiki/RBOSE:WHW so you know more how we think [20:20:29] URL Title: RBOSE:WHW - RBOSE [20:20:37] Lorena we will spam you now LOL [20:20:40] its not very active atm, just a few ppl who develop put news or documentation on pms or wiki [20:21:00] myself should use pms more too [20:21:04] Lorena: saome of us are putting most their efforts into getting out of debt and aquiering means for off.grid sustainable living, so that we can focus more time into projects soon =P [20:21:43] that's what tzm stockholm is doing right now... but need advice, help, models, and cooperating with people who's already iinto that [20:21:59] ahm [20:22:13] we thought about following windmill project steps of Spain [20:22:22] or aeroponics of Australia [20:22:43] most development are structural and digital now i think, but myself, i'm a mechanic and mainly interested in off.grid living solutions, electric transportation and such [20:22:49] don't think just start doing it ! [20:22:52] and recruiting people for OS projects (no label, no name, no movement, just asking skilled people for help) [20:23:12] The thing is we are 2 [20:23:21] two spanish nomads [20:23:31] Lorena with less people you can do much more. [20:23:42] Yes i know what iam talking about [20:23:45] so what do you recommend me to do? [20:23:52] I grow hydrophonically, but this spring i'll be growing aquaphonically =) [20:23:53] AND, i'm making my own windmill! [20:23:53] Look at info we have at rbose and tzm LOL [20:23:58] * scrdcow is working on the project; get food into stomach so I can go to sauna. [20:24:09] scrdcow :D [20:24:23] Lorena what do you like to do? [20:24:33] and share with other people [20:24:53] I'd like to start with hydroponics right now, cause it's something I can leave at a friend's place [20:24:58] Lorena: what are your skillset then? [20:25:08] sounds good [20:25:19] I'm an educator , man, so I take the orders instead [20:25:32] in the windmill construction sessions, I was just cinderella [20:25:37] then of course I learnt [20:25:44] but I cannot coordinate a project myselkf [20:25:57] We don't have coordinators [20:26:01] I'm psychologist, so no way [20:26:03] xd [20:26:10] coodinate a projhect [20:26:17] Lorena: where in stockholm do you live? [20:26:24] varberg [20:26:27] but im moving [20:26:33] to ragsved [20:26:38] Lorena: ah ok. [20:26:40] and then to bredang [20:26:45] and thorildsplan [20:26:47] in a month [20:26:49] :P [20:27:18] Lorena: you ever checked any ecovillage? [20:27:38] the ones I found in my way were not precisely ecovillages [20:27:44] just pretended the were [20:27:51] so I got really demotivated [20:27:56] :/ [20:27:58] i c [20:28:02] any advice? [20:28:30] i can not give a good advice because i wasnt on an ecovillage by myself so far [20:28:37] maybe others can give advises [20:29:22] ?? auroville [20:29:23] auroville[1]: Auroville is a city in the make in south-India, dedicated to human unity, and based on the vision of Sri Aurobindo and The Mother. [20:29:25] auroville[2]: "Auroville wants to be a universal town where men and women of all countries are able to live in peace and progressive harmony above all creeds, all politics and all nationalities. The purpose of Auroville is to realise human unity." http://auroville.org [20:29:27] auroville[3]: You can search from IRC at the Auroville wiki by typing: !au [20:29:32] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [20:29:40] nothing around? [20:29:46] I mean [20:29:47] closer.. [20:29:51] :P [20:29:53] Lorena: do you know about vaken.se? you have some people in the stockholm area there working towards an ecovillage. and I know they are also into free software, open hardware etc. But i'm not sure about there status right of now. [20:30:08] I'll take note [20:30:10] thanks [20:31:10] Lorena: it's more of an "wake up people"/"conspiracy"-movement but they are ofcourse into tech. [20:31:22] http://rbose.org/wiki/OSF [20:31:23] URL Title: OSF - RBOSE [20:31:36] so in case I wanna contact teams, check projects or look for someone from my current city [20:31:40] shoul i go to the wiki? [20:32:00] the site i posted is about open source farming [20:32:04] maybe you are interested [20:32:26] Lorena: the closest you got is people in guthenborg, and you live pretty near buy and you can always come to fscons (conference) for meetup. [20:32:44] near by* [20:32:58] I've got no money for that.....been living with 30 euros per month during a year...and now I'm spending much more here [20:33:02] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE.org) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [20:33:26] but maybe someone finds this info useful and con join [20:33:27] wo0t [20:33:31] can* [20:33:32] Lorena: I can help out if your really interested. [20:33:50] Lorena: I also have this small discount. [20:34:11] I think i should be around this place so I communicate with you guys [20:34:22] oh.. it's more expensive this year... hmm. but it's probably doable. [20:34:36] i read it was 50 euro or something [20:34:45] eeh [20:35:11] for 50 euro i can drive to that place from holland LOL [20:35:18] cannot make it, but I still can be around, start working and keep on communicating [20:35:24] (that's the point :PO) [20:36:08] Viper: but it still more cheap than a vist at jf [20:36:10] :x [20:36:22] True [20:37:13] Lorena i wonder if you know people that sign that letter [20:37:27] Lorena: ok, my discount was 10% if you change your mind. [20:37:36] will check it [20:37:44] thank you very much [20:37:47] :) [20:38:49] hahahaaha Capiscuas is been my close friend and inspiration, much more than a colleague [20:39:10] yea i wonder where he is [20:39:12] Capiscuas? [20:39:18] In vietnam [20:39:18] in the beginning he was here [20:39:20] http://pastebin.com/CESrS4Bw [20:39:21] URL Title: START OF LETTER LETTER HAS BEEN SENT ON 06. FEBRUARY, 08:00 A.M. UTC, BY GMAN - Pastebin.com [20:39:21] ? [20:39:29] hE LIVES IN vIETNAM [20:39:32] oh [20:39:32] ah ok. [20:39:39] still he could join irc [20:39:47] so far vietnam dotn blocks rbose [20:39:50] :x [20:39:58] lucky u [20:40:01] Lorena we write that letter together to PJ before we start rbose [20:40:07] I know much more of them [20:40:23] PJ? [20:40:41] scrdcow yeah tzm leader ^^ [20:40:49] yeah, some of them are now the good cops in the chapters administration structure, trying to avoid it to fall appart just because of a few ignorant people [20:40:50] oh.. that one. just remembere. [20:40:56] peter jackAss :P [20:41:01] remembered* [20:41:49] Lorena do you get money from PJ or tzm? I know he pay some [20:42:00] not at all [20:42:05] he pays just ppl who such his dieck [20:42:07] lol [20:42:11] *suck [20:42:13] sorry [20:42:13] haha [20:42:15] that's why I understood the way i guess, cause I'm clean ;) [20:42:32] Lorena: I can pay you for fscons visit, then your not clean ;-) [20:42:37] anyways, gtg. [20:42:38] lol [20:42:39] :O [20:42:48] scrdcow hehe [20:42:49] scrdcow: hf [20:43:01] thaks for the offer [20:43:11] of help [20:43:17] * scrdcow hove rent payed, tickt to and from conferens, and conferens ticket already payed. soo just food for one month. [20:43:20] have* [20:43:34] hehe [20:43:34] :) [20:43:45] * scrdcow is trying to build up a buffert. [20:44:04] scrdcow there is NEVER enough money :P [20:44:06] 6 month rent payment and food supply (some stuff). [20:44:27] Viper: hehe I know. but I can put some projects on hold to learn/do non-money-costing things. [20:44:37] yeah! [20:44:50] well, we've got a meeting of tzm on sunday, I'll tell them and try to decide a project. Will ask u for advice and info exchange for sure, and please count with anything the guys I know achieved so far [20:44:53] but there is some stuff that I would like to buy... will have to see. [20:45:16] Lorena: tzm in gothenburg? [20:45:29] I'll try to bring the info I have about projects being developed right now [20:45:42] Lorena they will bash you [20:45:44] nop, stockholm( the working sessions nobody attend) [20:45:49] they will ban you [20:45:50] oh ok. [20:45:54] they want this to chasnge hereNOW [20:45:56] or ban you [20:45:56] RBOSE IS BANNED by tzm [20:45:58] haha [20:46:01] been their inspiration [20:46:10] everyone want's it now. but it takes time. [20:46:12] :P [20:46:13] it has to hold. [20:46:15] Lorena yeah don't talk about rbose or DD will ban you hehe [20:46:22] I mean [20:46:30] the few guys who are into my sessions [20:46:33] are into this [20:46:34] darkdancer [20:46:42] oh, wanna kill gil! [20:46:55] know him, and he's lovely actually...but misunderstood everything [20:46:58] I think [20:47:07] ok, bye [20:47:08] Lorena ask him how much PJ pay him [20:47:08] dutch coord is so tired... [20:47:17] u know he's been paid [20:47:17] scrdcow see yea :) [20:47:17] ? [20:47:18] haha [20:47:27] or how much ray becomes [20:47:28] Lorena YES and not only he [20:47:36] I guess there's no possible proof of it [20:47:39] after ray received money from pj he left rbose [20:47:49] in my eyes this can be called a moneybitch [20:47:51] Lorena some people that sign our letter stay at tzm because pj pay them [20:48:22] Lorena yes there is [20:48:51] can u give it to me? wanna protect my spanish fellows from that! [20:49:09] Lorena all developers at tzm are payed [20:49:17] no [20:49:19] "developers" < lol [20:49:52] Lorena i can give you list of people that I know are payed [20:50:00] U mean international coords? [20:50:06] but I'd like to have the proof [20:50:07] Yes [20:50:18] otherwise it's just blabla [20:50:28] you must understand my point so far [20:50:37] i can't show you bill [20:51:07] that's what I mean [20:51:09] t [20:51:14] I've got no proof [20:51:21] i know 100% they are payed [20:51:22] I guess the activist have the right to know that [20:51:35] but I can't bring them any proof [20:51:41] Lorena you can ask them. And see what they do tell you [20:52:07] maybe the have to develop a 12h a day work [20:52:24] lukas and me was workin longer than ppl who were paid [20:52:25] . [20:52:32] longer a day [20:52:37] so why would pj be that silly? [20:52:46] idk [20:52:59] Lorena to have full control. When you pay people don't ask. The one you pay [20:52:59] makes no sense [20:53:13] I'd pay the efficient ones [20:53:13] its really strange for me that he wants to change the society but doin this same shit game that we see everyhwere in this fucked up society [20:53:22] exaclty Lorena [20:53:37] so can't believe it cause it should be the opposite [20:54:15] pj forced the ex-tzm-devs to commuinicate on team speak [20:54:27] to make sense... otherwise pj is an idiot who gives money away [20:54:30] while we had an free/open source solution for that [20:54:38] I mean.... [20:54:44] there are a lot of issues which are just stupid shit [20:54:57] but the pj gives money away to people [20:55:03] that's not bad [20:55:03] Lorena and that mumble server was free. But pj take TS and he need to pay for it. WHY because he had full control in ts and not in mumble [20:55:16] he gives money to people for doing .... almost nothing [20:55:23] taht's not tzm anyway [20:55:34] he gives money for control people [20:55:41] because mumble still doesn't work properly [20:55:47] as mi roommate told me [20:55:49] he said in moderator forum or in ts i dont remember where: yes ban more people [20:56:06] i wonder how any1 can say this who wants seriously to change the society [20:56:09] and because he's human and paranoid and conservative as all of us and we shouldnt expect more from him than from others [20:56:17] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-ng88mu.cust.telenor.se) [20:56:22] wb Caly [20:56:36] mumble is not working as ts yet [20:56:38] is it? [20:56:43] yes its better [20:56:45] safer [20:56:47] :) [20:57:01] ts copy a lot of technology from mumble [20:57:06] in version 3 [20:57:23] i am in mumble works nice :D [20:57:25] using same codecs now [20:57:29] and other stuff [20:57:30] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [20:57:32] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Calyp [20:57:43] that sound like a movie to me [20:58:07] got to go now, thank you very very very much for the info, I'll be back to share info about what we get to start here [20:58:16] :) [20:58:27] :D [20:58:35] Lorena: cya and enjoy ya evening [20:58:38] and wil talk to Capiscuas so he can explain it to me much deeper [20:58:59] will send him RBOSE love and regards :P [20:59:07] :)) [20:59:08] hehe :) [20:59:20] ,qr [20:59:20] Viper: Quote #135: "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful. committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. ~ Margaret Mead" (added by lukas at 12:14 AM, October 24, 2010) [20:59:36] please don't confront people, we are just ones more mistaked than others [20:59:44] love! [20:59:56] from stockholm! [20:59:56] peace! :) [21:00:05] peace! [21:00:05] *** Quits: Lorena (qwebirc@RBOSE-bemh43.mobileonline.telia.com) (Quit: Page closed) [21:00:19] oh she was with cellphone online it seems [21:00:31] it was a she? oh [21:00:37] lol [21:00:56] maybe its a spanish name for he? i don't know lol [21:01:05] ,qr [21:01:05] Viper: Quote #171: "It's the magic of capitalism that says: getting very rich by doing something what's very bad for everybody is a great idea and you should do it and become famous and hero. ~ Eben Moglen at DebConf10" (added by lukas at 10:56 AM, May 17, 2011) [21:01:16] idk who but some1 said once in IRC "all nicks who end with an a in irc must be females" [21:01:18] lol [21:01:28] yeah true [23:35:59] *** Quits: kalken (default@RBOSE-gitcjf.bredband.comhem.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds)