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[18:26:24] *** Joins: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-gitcjf.bredband.comhem.se) [20:33:59] hi guys :) [20:38:37] http://codev2.cc/ [20:38:38] URL Title: Codev2:Lawrence Lessig [20:45:33] hi lukas [20:55:11] hi all [20:57:20] yo [20:59:37] nice find lukas [21:04:48] sup dudes [21:06:20] personal fabrication machines [21:12:18] and personal energy :D [21:12:27] all the time doing more with less [21:15:21] I believe the Congress is convering the topic of personal energy ;D [21:16:07] http://events.ccc.de/congress/2011/Fahrplan/events/4706.en.html [21:16:08] URL Title: 28C3: Power gadgets with your own electricity [21:16:31] on a completely unrelated note, what would you need anonymous veto power for? [21:20:40] yay the congress is coming [21:21:41] cool [21:22:26] comotion_: for example anything what causes ireversible (or long term) damage to the environment on which we all depend, this actually always should autovote itself, + aggressions at other groups of people, just my humble perspective [21:24:26] http://events.ccc.de/congress/2011/Fahrplan/track/Hacking/4699.en.html [21:24:27] URL Title: 28C3: Building a Distributed Satellite Ground Station Network - A Call To Arms [21:24:29] yay [21:25:06] woot [21:25:32] Hacker Space Program! I like it [21:25:49] you don't own space, neisa does [21:26:05] yeah fuck nasa [21:26:21] * lukas likes it too [21:26:35] lukas: sure but why does it need anon veto power? [21:26:58] * comotion_ was at the Camp, learned about the HackER Space Project [21:27:13] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zSrP4MacFE [21:27:14] You4Tube 2[Title] ScienceCasts: Mystery of the Lunar Ionosphere 2[Category] Tech 2[Duration] 0:03:37 2[Views] 18150 2[Rating] 4.79 2[Uploaded] 2011-11-10 2[Description] Visit http://science.nasa.gov/ for more. How can a world without air have an ionosphere? Somehow the Moon has done it. Lunar researchers have been struggling with this mystery for years, and they may have finally found a solution. [21:27:17] we r putting people in space, we r putting ppl on the moon [21:28:05] comotion_: true, but why it does happen at all? i think because we gave some people power to start legally killing of other people (wars, invasions, occupations, etc.) [21:28:58] tbh, i'm not sure if i understood well the context of your original question, excuse me anything confusing [21:29:08] sorry, the two issues - space program and anon vetoing - are not related [21:29:27] I am curious what one would use anon veto for [21:29:35] yeah, i spoke only about the votes [21:29:43] but that is an interesting point lukas [21:30:13] are you sure we weren't killing other people long before we made it "legal"? [21:31:02] legal killing LOL [21:31:24] funny because it's true? [21:31:48] In our world $ makes anything legal [21:32:02] illegal means No $ [21:32:02] At this point in history, nothing is as absolete and archaic as the way we use our language :) [21:32:17] I feel so much better the less I speak. [21:32:18] i'm not, but since thousands of years these mainly happen because of cesars, presidents, kings, popes, ..., making these decisions for people, i think since centuries people are manipulated into wars [21:32:24] I also free time to work on stuff I like. [21:32:42] Debates are a cancer for the atmosphere of a social group. [21:33:19] Whilst working on projects, developing something useful is like a glue. [21:33:20] antilect i feel more stupid when i watch main media :P [21:33:32] I feel stupid when I watch main media, and alternative media sometimes. [21:33:38] I just feel like they are all trying to word things out. [21:33:43] what are you working on, antilect? [21:33:45] antilect: speaking is bad? [21:33:45] Never produce anything more than words and opinions. [21:33:52] comotion, of course it isn't bad :) [21:33:59] I love speaking when I connect. [21:34:00] Really. [21:34:00] speaking is good [21:34:13] Not just talking like a monologue to people waiting for their turn to speak. [21:34:22] That isn't communication, thats chaos. [21:34:33] chaos is good [21:34:41] not in antilect's meaning [21:34:56] Chaos has it's place. [21:35:12] But even chaos has a structure to it. [21:35:26] Back to coding :) [21:35:30] you've ventured into my favorite topic :D [21:35:34] Love you all :) [21:35:35] antilect are you making music? [21:35:42] making music with code [21:35:50] this way we go back to the second pleasant subject: Chaos Communication Congress [21:35:50] nobody, studying math and assemblerprogramming. [21:35:51] antilect: Error: "studying" is not a valid command. [21:35:51] ;) [21:35:52] lukas: Error: ")" is not a valid command. [21:36:07] lol [21:36:12] :D [21:36:12] Key: lukas is not a valid command. [21:36:13] comotion_: Error: "lukas" is not a valid command. [21:36:28] CCC, Chaos communication congress <--- [21:36:34] Sounds like the headquarter of movie villains. [21:36:48] it's the congress of chaos-worshippers [21:37:05] "hackers" [21:37:25] comotion, out of curiosity. [21:37:39] chaos computer club, that's who [21:37:44] Is chaos your fauvorite topic? :) [21:37:47] I love chaostheory btw. [21:37:57] is there any better reason? [21:37:57] It makes everything seem very logical to me. [21:38:33] chaos was the one discipline of maths that opened my way into many many insights about nature and reality [21:38:52] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK3TPvL9EyM <--- [21:38:53] You4Tube 2[Title] The Secret Life of Chaos 1/5.mkv 2[Category] Tech 2[Duration] 0:14:05 2[Views] 4448 2[Rating] 4.59 2[Uploaded] 2010-10-26 2[Description] Chaos theory has a bad name, conjuring up images of unpredictable weather, economic crashes and science gone wrong. But there is a fascinating and hidden side to Chaos, one that scientists are only now beginning to understand. It turns out that chaos theory answers a question that [21:38:58] comotion, same for me then. [21:39:11] We probably touched the same train of thoughts when we realized it's importance. [21:39:23] It's mindblowing when you understand feedback-systems. [21:39:24] would not say that it explains everything, but chaos is the best model we have for nature [21:39:33] Mm. [21:39:37] The word has a misleading sound to it. [21:40:02] For fractals are far from chaos. [21:40:02] comotion_: i think lawyers worship much more chaos - they created this legal structure which claims power to say what one can and cannot do, yet it's impossible to have a one lawyer knowing all the laws from just one country, that's for me a real chaos [21:40:03] in the same way anarchy has a misleading connotation [21:40:22] Yeah. [21:40:25] That is because at this point in history, nothing is as absolete and archaic as the way we use our language :) [21:40:26] I always get stuck on that. [21:40:33] lukas: I agree, however they don't see chaos they see order [21:40:40] Anarchy = everyone does what they want and we all die <--- that's where that discussion tends to go. [21:40:42] too much order creates its own chaos [21:41:15] comotion, nice rearrange of the first train of thought there ;D [21:41:33] yup, in genpops mind chaos and anarchy equate total breakdown [21:41:41] while we here use it to model reality [21:42:46] Debates are a cancer for the atmosphere of a social group. Whilst working on projects, developing something useful is like a glue. <-- Any suggestions on how we as group can thus reduce cancer and work more like glue? [21:42:48] antilect: Anarchism (from stgr. Ἀναρχία anarchy - "without rulers") or libertarian socialism - the doctrine postulating a model society based on voluntary cooperation, social equality, human solidarity and respect for individual liberty, rejecting the need for state institutions, capitalism and other forms of power, exploitation, coercion and hierarchy, as well as a social movement seeking to [21:42:51] achieve these goals. [21:43:09] chaos might be the strongest lesson gleaned from thermodynamics [21:44:21] lukas, beautiful. [21:44:32] from wikipedia [21:44:35] lukas, we do want a society based on cooperation [21:45:03] somehow make cooperation more apparently and directly beneficial than competition [21:45:10] The most hillarious aspect of Anarchism is that their logo is the illuminati-pyramid lol. [21:45:24] Unintentionally so probably, but it still made me curve my lips X) [21:45:31] you mean the (A) ? [21:45:38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Anarchy-symbol.svg [21:45:39] URL Title: File:Anarchy-symbol.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [21:45:44] you read the Illuminatus! trilogy? [21:45:51] Sorry no. [21:46:04] I just had my phase with secret brotherhoods and fraternal orders. [21:46:22] While opening up the gates to the world outside my lolworld. [21:46:22] although that book is weird and can't be accepted as truths it has some real worth to it that transcends conspiracy works [21:46:29] antilect: i guess the same pyramid is in your nick when one would wrote it with capital letters, :P [21:46:41] lukas, keen observation. [21:46:52] and one of them is a plausible explanation for why the anarchy symbol uses pyramids [21:47:01] That letter is also the first in the alphabet, wich is probably no accident :) [21:47:21] it need a triangle in a circle though [21:47:23] comotion, glad that you added that last part to the sentence. [21:47:59] Although I am not one to reject conspiracies just because everyone thinks it's weird that people whose interests converge coalesce into groups. [21:48:13] i like the book, one of the best [21:48:15] I am glad I read that book, it is a marvellous work regardless [21:48:18] Mm. [21:48:22] A link pherhaps? [21:48:28] Maybe something for my late hours :) [21:48:33] antilect: wait two secs and I will give you a pdf link [21:48:57] (insert a word for I really appreciate it, and love your spirit of sharing) [21:49:43] * lukas is not good with symbolism, just got lost and is not sure if the discussion about symbolism in A is serious [21:52:00] http://stopnwo.com/docs3/wilson-robert_anton_shea-robert_the_illuminatus!_trilogy.pdf [21:52:07] lemme know if that works. [21:52:16] fucking google wrapped that link into bullshits [21:52:22] Kebap: do you know maybe about any stream from CCC? [21:53:04] lukas: symbolism is interesting in its own right, worth knowing about at least [21:53:10] also there are ccc streams yes [21:53:13] lukas: yes, they have good hardware there and most of talks will be streamed. you can also look at videos from last years congresses still today [21:53:21] from every year of camp and congress [21:53:33] very huge source of information [21:53:46] Kebap: :D "very huge" [21:54:07] it is, isnt it [21:54:23] but A-in-circle is more like A-drawn-such-that-it-breaks-out-of-circle rather than what antilect linked to [21:54:37] this satellite ground station network subject sounds very interesting, i wonder how much would it cost to build a node in that network and what would be the cost to power it annually [21:54:41] Kebap: just reading the Fahrplan for next Congress is a very huge source of intel [21:55:08] I still think it's hillarious though comotion :) [21:55:27] Time for me to finish my math. [21:55:31] The link worked. [21:55:41] good, maybe you will find the explanation [21:58:19] it is a great book, but the pdf is meh, better buy it ^^ [21:58:54] oh i never read it in english, maybe i should do that [21:58:59] I got my copy as a loaner from a friend who said "READ IT" [22:00:55] a node in the satcomms network would cost you some radio equipment and a hackerspace/something similar to operate it [22:01:22] what I saw at the Camp, they mostly need more people so that the operation is manned 24/7 [22:01:31] can't put peeps in space unless you do that [22:50:46] *** Quits: kalken (default@RBOSE-gitcjf.bredband.comhem.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [23:24:16] lukas: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2007/Fahrplan/events/2133.en.html [23:24:17] URL Title: 24C3: Building a Hacker Space [23:24:19] maybe interesting? [23:24:36] Kebap: just reading the Fahrplan for next Congress is a very huge source of intel <-- true or for past congresses like i do now :D [23:57:40] :D indeed [23:57:47] those design patterns are golden [23:57:51] http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Design_Patterns [23:57:52] URL Title: Design Patterns - HackerspaceWiki [23:57:54] -nobody- Kebap23 has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [23:58:10] *** Joins: Kebap21 (Max@RBOSE-idl04g.adsl.hansenet.de) [23:58:13] hackeriet the oslo hackerspace tries to follow them patterns [23:58:26] anyways, g'nite [23:58:32] gotta get up stupid early [23:58:38] fascistically early