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[11:09:28] *** Quits: kman (kman@RBOSE-1vjua3.student.uu.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [12:35:00] *** Joins: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-gitcjf.bredband.comhem.se) [13:09:58] *** Quits: iderik (idk@RBOSE-dv9gss.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [13:10:30] *** Joins: iderik (idk@RBOSE-dv9gss.tbcn.telia.com) [14:00:03] lol DNS [14:00:12] hi guys :) [14:12:12] http://www.ted.com/talks/michael_nielsen_open_science_now.html [14:12:15] URL Title: Michael Nielsen: Open science now! | Video on TED.com [17:08:21] lol http://www.sott.net/articles/show/238380-Teampoison-posts-stolen-United-Nations-credentials-online [17:08:22] URL Title: Teampoison posts stolen United Nations credentials online -- Puppet Masters -- Sott.net [17:28:29] http://www.sott.net/articles/show/238379-BUSTED-Secret-app-on-millions-of-phones-logs-key-taps [17:28:31] URL Title: BUSTED! 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[20:57:12] *** Joins: scrdcow (scrdcow@RBOSE-cpg1rk.org) [21:02:01] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [21:02:02] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Calyp [21:02:18] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-17gl2s.cust.telenor.se) [21:02:27] http://www.fastcoexist.com/1678900/a-milan-skyscraper-with-a-forest-inside-it [21:02:29] URL Title: A Milan Skyscraper With A Forest Inside It | Co.Exist: World changing ideas and innovation [21:30:35] *** Quits: iderik (idk@RBOSE-dv9gss.tbcn.telia.com) (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5) [21:35:37] http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2011/12/full-disk_encry.html <3 [21:35:38] URL Title: Schneier on Security: Full-Disk Encryption Works [21:36:18] I was thinking of a scenario like this [21:36:33] your pc starts up, you enter password, your system A boots up with all your warez. [21:36:40] you shutdown your pc, go to sleep. [21:36:48] at night violent police force breaks into your home [21:36:55] forces you to start computer and type in password [21:37:15] you type in another password, a system B boots up, with facebook, gmail and youtube as bookmarks in your only software: firefox. [21:37:19] WHATCHO GONNA DO COPS [21:37:30] also, system A is totally erased. [21:37:53] take computer, look it through. [21:38:01] it's not like they are comming to your house at random [21:38:16] ok, erased. well then. they have a harder time. [21:38:31] yeah, that is a super important part I forgot to say straight away. [21:38:38] system A is encrypted. [21:38:43] but it's not something you can do on a daily basis, if not your occupation is to reinstall everyday and rebuild your warez colly ;-) [21:38:46] you wipe the table for A when you login to B. [21:39:01] I personally don't care for any warez lying around [21:39:02] ah ok, but not overwize. [21:39:10] I only care about my personal files. I keep backups on those. :) [21:39:18] and [21:39:23] the cops don't often come over. [21:39:31] by warez you mean movies, music etc? [21:39:40] yes [21:39:43] apps and all that jazz [21:39:45] ok [21:40:01] would be devistated if all my jazz went away [21:40:03] I was inspired by that talk from Katey, Kapy? Caty? [21:40:11] where? [21:40:15] on FSCONS [21:40:20] on LIbya, Syria [21:40:22] hum? [21:40:22] :D [21:40:28] I don't think I saw that [21:40:33] aaaaah [21:40:39] was it on the human rights track? [21:40:39] best speech throughout fscons [21:41:00] "The revolution won't be televised. But will it be on youtube?" [21:41:20] ah that one, think I choose some over. [21:41:22] other* [21:41:29] ;D ok [21:41:30] Fat64: Error: "D" is not a valid command. [21:41:31] me and kalken were there [21:41:33] SHUT UP KEY [21:41:37] ;-D [21:41:37] ;chr(shutup) [21:41:37] scrdcow: Error: "-D" is not a valid command. [21:41:38] Fat64: Error: "chr(shutup)" is not a valid command. [21:41:51] ;----------) why the long face key? [21:41:51] Fat64: Error: "----------)" is not a valid command. [21:42:14] ;)>^^> [21:42:15] Fat64: Error: ")>^^>" is not a valid command. [21:42:19] ;)>^^>) [21:42:20] Fat64: Error: ")>^^>)" is not a valid command. [21:42:22] ok nevermind [21:42:26] Key: :-'^'-,_.-^-,_.-D [21:42:26] scrdcow: Error: ":-'^'-,_.-^-,_.-D" is not a valid command. [21:42:31] luLz [21:42:41] lÃ¥ngnäsa [21:43:07] arne skurt [21:43:20] I am making a 3270 server in python. [21:43:35] feel free to telnet to yuri.se [21:43:55] 3270? [21:43:57] and enjoy nothing but clear screen and inputfeature statemachines [21:44:01] 3270 is a protocol for mainframes [21:44:26] it works with screens, you get a screen: fill up values, hit enter, it is submitted with all values filled in, you get a new screen [21:44:29] sort of. :) [21:44:40] is it for work or? [21:44:43] no [21:44:48] for my nerddom [21:44:54] and python education [21:44:57] ah [21:45:08] 3270 works very quickly [21:45:13] you can easily become a system ninja. [21:45:22] ah [21:45:29] as contrast to these days ajax, standardchanging, flash, jquery, god dammit [21:45:44] failed upon sending a string ;_) [21:45:49] :-D [21:45:58] session available: SESB [21:46:02] then you can enter things like [21:46:04] hello [21:46:04] TERMINATING hello [21:46:04] ello^M^?^MEL^M^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^W^W^W [21:46:05] quit, bye [21:46:13] haha [21:47:11] nice anyways :-) [21:47:26] will use a friends library for color escape codes so [21:47:31] my coffee is done, time to fiddle more with awzum. [21:47:33] it will be easy street [21:47:37] ooh :) [21:47:43] you fiddle your fids into a wikipage? [21:47:57] I could if I do something creative. [21:48:00] ah [21:48:22] I can share my rc.lua when I'm done, but it's mostly not config stuff as much as getting various apps work together. but sure. [21:49:10] it's more "have to change x-web-browser because now gnome doesn't handle it...", "have to blacklistc pcspkr because xset b off didn't work when run in my .xsession file.." etc. [21:54:03] *** Parts: Key (supybot@root.password) [21:55:07] haha [22:05:03] haha.. as usual :) [22:05:08] pretty weird, rhythmbox doesn't know the location of a file it's playing :-D [22:07:15] Fat64: can I have a screenshot of your awesome setup, and have you changed anything funny/usefull in the config? [22:07:47] my setup is, terminal: urxvt and.. maybe reduced the nr of desktops [22:07:49] (right now I only have named and changed the tags layouts) [22:07:55] so :D there is nothing tweaked about it [22:08:01] also, just reinstalled [22:08:03] ok, nothing much either I guess. [22:08:32] I run some gnome-stuff aswell, but that is already documented in the wiki. [22:09:03] found a couple of bugs atleast. [22:09:31] would like to be able to switch all apps on one screen to another and vice versa. [22:13:36] Fat64: do you know if sizes and positions of windows is something programs themselves remember (should remember) or it's up to the window manager? [22:13:48] I get weird differences depending on app. [22:19:41] *** Quits: ZyaX (9jti8d8@RBOSE-5lntnm.bredband.comhem.se) (Quit: In Soviet Russia peer's connection is reset by you.) [22:19:57] up to window manager often [22:20:12] some implement own session systems for it :D [22:20:19] like those with child-forms [22:20:21] I am tired [22:20:32] ok [22:20:46] because I get different behaivour depending on app. [22:39:29] its windowmanagers job to do that [22:39:54] there are some help-programs out there for positioning, opening stuff on certain desktops etc [22:40:01] yes, but I get different behaviours that's why I'm wondering. [22:41:20] ex. I got nautilus running, I open a nautilus window, it remembers the size, but not the position. [22:41:45] when I open gnome-terminal, neither size nor position is remembers. [22:41:57] so I guess that nautilus also has it's own system for remembering somehow. [22:42:18] would like to only have the window mangaer handle stuff like that so that I easily can control it. [22:43:05] any program should be able to feed Xorg with that stuff, but usually few programs do [22:43:14] true true [22:43:20] leaving positioning and size to wm [22:43:25] guess all apps can do that [22:44:58] I guess it was better back in the day. now desktops and apps are trying to do all kinds of weird stuff. [22:47:41] man xprop :) [22:48:06] scrdcow maybe compiz can help you? [22:49:32] Evil: i'm don't want to run compiz :-) [22:50:48] advance gnome settings [22:50:49] ? [22:51:13] i'm a bit diffuse right now, I have no clear problem. I just want my line of thought being clear, when I now everything is handled the same way I can easier think of sollutions. [22:51:27] know* [22:51:48] all programs tell x what props to set basically [22:51:53] yes [22:52:16] Evil: no, just playing around with awesome and getting my setup right. [22:52:40] :) [22:53:50] Evil: but when I see difference in behaviour among various apps it's hard to think of a clear sollution that works seamlessly for all. [22:54:45] but maybe that's what I get for trying to mix a desktop with a window manager that isn't part of the desktop and completly made to work together. [22:56:49] yeah. Awesome is made to be stand alone [22:58:03] but it feels back getting back at my roots sort of. gnome have made me pretty lazy, ignorant ;-) [22:58:33] forgetting tons of stuff [22:59:12] before == let gnome handle everything, now == let "the system" handle everything. [23:00:01] but maybe desktops needs to be more of a self contained world to actually get stuff working properly together. atleast we have freedesktop thou. 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