[00:03:05] -nobody- Kebap23 has joined on FREENODE [00:03:08] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Kebap23 [00:03:59] hi Kebap23 :) [00:21:29] -nobody- Kebap23 has quit FREENODE (Quit: adios amigos) [00:29:11] *** Quits: Cyclo (Cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) (Connection closed) [00:45:33] lukas: depends on what you are looking for in the water [00:46:25] biological checks require microscopes and an eye that can discern between different microbes [00:54:45] *** Quits: ZyaX (9jti8d8@RBOSE-5lntnm.bredband.comhem.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [00:55:44] comotion_: i seen some commercial ph and turbidity meters, but they are not enough to make sure water supply is clean, i don't know atm anything about biological tests but got some experience in doing water tests in laboratory for any non organic materials, and here is what i think about it: we need water yet we are dependent on corporations to say "yes, you can drink it" and i personally don't trust [00:55:47] psychopaths [00:56:13] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-8rn9tu.cust.telenor.se) [00:56:15] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [00:56:16] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Calyp [00:56:41] i think this whole process should be automated / simplified [02:05:16] *** Joins: APE (sixth_ape@RBOSE-51atno.mweb.co.za) [02:34:03] *** Quits: kalken (default@RBOSE-gitcjf.bredband.comhem.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [02:42:50] good night [02:47:49] *** Quits: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-gitcjf.bredband.comhem.se) (Quit: Lämnar) [02:49:37] -nobody- Out`Of`Control has quit FREENODE (Remote host closed the connection) [03:47:59] comotion_: ah right. the url etc is saved in the dir. cool. [03:56:03] this is interesting [05:03:35] *** Quits: kman (kman@RBOSE-1vjua3.student.uu.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [06:52:43] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE.org) (Quit: Leaving) [06:52:45] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Quit: Leaving) [08:06:48] *** Quits: APE (sixth_ape@RBOSE-51atno.mweb.co.za) (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) [08:38:23] http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/printable-solar-cells-0711.html [08:38:25] URL Title: While you’re up, print me a solar cell - MIT News Office [08:38:28] not sure if it was from here. [08:43:34] *** Joins: Cyclo (Cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) [09:36:15] *** Quits: Cyclo (Cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) (Quit: Lämnar) [09:49:25] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-jbrr3o.cust.telenor.se) [09:49:33] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [09:49:34] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Calyp [09:51:07] *** Joins: kalken (default@RBOSE-gitcjf.bredband.comhem.se) [09:54:47] *** Joins: ZyaX (9jti8d8@RBOSE-5lntnm.bredband.comhem.se) [10:01:03] -nobody- Kebap23 has joined on FREENODE [10:01:05] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Kebap23 [10:01:15] *** Joins: Kebap (Max@RBOSE-c8u7fh.adsl.hansenet.de) [11:51:40] *** Joins: kman (kman@RBOSE-1vjua3.student.uu.se) [12:08:25] scrdcow: thanks for the link about these printable solar cells :) [12:14:03] lukas, i need you to specify in more detail what you need to quantify. [12:14:57] Common metals and ions of nitrogen and phosphorus can be done pretty easily, but to be able to ensure that water is healthy, your also looking at needing to quantify radioactive materials [12:15:17] Uranium, for example, is a big problem in the drinkingwater in sthockholm. [12:16:32] There is a lot to be said about this. Perhaps we can take it over mumble if your interested. [12:17:42] kman: ok, mumble (later) sounds good to me -- in short i wonder about being able to run checks on drinking water alone at any location at lowest possible cost [12:18:49] Yeah, i thought so. [12:20:40] But to be completely certain of the safety of drinking it, you would need... well.. it depends. [12:21:34] I suppose, if you can detect the most common contaminants, maybe the rest can be handled by filtering. [12:22:05] I would say that making carbon water filters is a more interesting technology to look into for that purpose. [12:23:03] but that assumes additional costs all the time when one uses water, right? [12:24:27] Yes, depending on how the filters are made of course. Nano-pourus carbon can be created from any waste (theoretically). [12:24:46] :) [12:24:59] And, in the long run, it might outweight the material cost of developing the analysis equipment. [12:26:31] Sourcing stuff for lab equipment would be harder to incorporate into any sort of self-sufficiency that depends on local materials, for example. [12:26:35] Many factors to consider. [12:27:30] i seen once on ted a 1cm x 1cm big automated lab for testing blood or other parameters of human body, that made me think about a better system for monitoring water [12:28:53] this way everybody could carry it everywhere and it could be an important part of our everyday equipment [12:34:19] Oh yeah, sure. Lab-on-a-chip technologies are surely built for that. But thats really advanced technology. [12:34:36] Or well.. Ok i hate using words like "really advanced", but you get my point. [12:35:09] :) [12:39:18] ^^ [12:39:40] kman: there is a chance that at the lab space there is perfectly drinkable water, it sits on a mountain, there are only two households somewhere above it, and the well is at least 20m deep, the area is protected from industry but it could be polluted the agricultural way, that water tastes very good but the monitoring costs exceed much the water which can be pulled from the grid [12:42:12] I can imagine it so. [12:43:12] lukas: alot of new machines to build and open/free ;-) [12:43:32] (then you can make your own potatochips bags aswell ;-) ) [12:43:58] scrdcow: yes! :) [12:45:50] circular flow, keep that spending going, watch the economy fly [12:46:03] boost aggregate demand silly [12:48:44] kman: the cost of drinking water from tap for a period of 40 years is half of that what one has to pay for a single 1 time check for biological and chemical stuff, i guess this illustrates the scale quite well (in second case it's just a check and water still has to be pulled) [12:50:48] That large a difference? Good way to make people dependent on centralized water distribution. What a fucking nightmare. [12:53:48] I have three bags of active coal if you want. [12:54:21] Long-range catapulting comes to mind.. [12:58:07] Fat64: lol [13:05:54] *** Joins: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-gitcjf.bredband.comhem.se) [13:06:19] *** Quits: ZyaX (9jti8d8@RBOSE-5lntnm.bredband.comhem.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [14:34:38] no? :D [14:34:42] how do you produce own active coal [14:35:36] lukas: it's not as expensive here. [14:36:32] Fat64: i got once a recipe from a friend, would need to look for it if you are interested [14:39:38] no rush, whenever you stumble upon it though :) [14:42:30] ok :) [14:42:34] http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/atmel1.jpg [14:42:59] I think people here only check once or such, atleast not every year. [14:43:23] lukas: what is that? [14:44:03] scrdcow: more here http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/264 [14:44:21] have you heard about raspberry pi already? [14:44:49] nope [14:44:51] but seems cool [14:45:48] www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ7N4rycsy4 [14:45:58] http://youtube.com/watch?v=pQ7N4rycsy4 [14:45:59] You4Tube 2[Title] Raspberry Pi - the £15 computer 2[Category] Tech 2[Duration] 0:02:30 2[Views] 713177 2[Rating] 4.95 2[Uploaded] 2011-05-05 2[Description] David Braben explains the raspberry PI scheme designed to give a £15 computer on a stick to every child. He is talking to the BBC's Rory Cellan-Jones [14:47:03] -nobody- comotion_ has quit FREENODE (*.net *.split) [14:47:05] -nobody- magnetron has quit FREENODE (*.net *.split) [14:47:05] computer on a stick, login with your tounge when you lick it [14:47:06] -nobody- comotion has quit FREENODE (*.net *.split) [14:47:07] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (*.net *.split) [14:47:10] -nobody- ChanServ has quit FREENODE (*.net *.split) [14:48:59] scrdcow: you can check for more videos, it's quite impressive from my perspective :) [14:50:21] will do [14:56:57] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [14:56:59] -nobody- comotion has joined on FREENODE [14:57:00] -nobody- comotion_ has joined on FREENODE [14:57:02] -nobody- magnetron has joined on FREENODE [14:57:03] -nobody- mode change by asimov.freenode.net on FREENODE: +v Calyp [15:02:25] -nobody- ChanServ has joined on FREENODE [15:02:26] -nobody- mode change by asimov.freenode.net on FREENODE: +o ChanServ [15:02:44] -nobody- nick change by magnetron to Guest35718 on FREENODE [15:11:30] scrdcow: in one of videos (i don't remind which one now) they said it uses 1W on full load [15:28:14] -nobody- Out`Of`Control has joined on FREENODE [15:28:16] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Out`Of`Control [15:30:11] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [15:33:40] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE.org) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [15:35:54] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-jbrr3o.cust.telenor.se) [15:39:57] -nobody- comotion has quit FREENODE (*.net *.split) [15:39:58] -nobody- comotion_ has quit FREENODE (*.net *.split) [15:40:00] -nobody- Guest35718 has quit FREENODE (*.net *.split) [15:40:02] -nobody- magnetron has joined on FREENODE [15:40:42] -nobody- comotion_ has joined on FREENODE [15:40:58] -nobody- comotion has joined on FREENODE [15:43:38] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [15:43:40] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Calyp [16:04:18] lukas, yeah im waiting to get one! [16:39:00] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [16:42:46] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE.org) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [16:46:51] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-jbrr3o.cust.telenor.se) [16:47:01] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [16:47:02] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Calyp [18:47:55] *** Joins: ZyaX (9jti8d8@RBOSE-5lntnm.bredband.comhem.se) [19:54:31] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSfFa44p96o [19:54:32] You4Tube 2[Title] Why Homosexuality Should Be Banned 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 0:01:42 2[Views] 1775342 2[Rating] 4.30 2[Uploaded] 2007-08-23 2[Description] Seven impenetrable reasons for making gay-ness illegal. [19:57:42] it's satire [21:02:59] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-WdnqvAaNs [21:03:00] You4Tube 2[Title] No Fly Zone: Iran shoots down US drone 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 0:05:57 2[Views] 312 2[Rating] 4.81 2[Uploaded] 2011-12-04 2[Description] Iranian forces have shot down an American unmanned drone in the east of the country - that's according to Iran's state news agency. The aircraft used for spying was reportedly downed with minimum damage and seized by Iranian authorities. RT on Twitter http://twitter.com/RT_c [21:46:16] lukas: non-organic checks can even be automatet in some cases, ppm meters and hevy metals check out pretty easy [22:21:55] *** Quits: ZyaX (9jti8d8@RBOSE-5lntnm.bredband.comhem.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [22:28:45] *** Quits: kman (kman@RBOSE-1vjua3.student.uu.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [23:05:22] *** Joins: Cyclo (Cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) [23:08:12] *** Joins: Cyclo_ (Cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) [23:08:12] *** Quits: Cyclo (Cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) (Connection closed) [23:20:41] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qQyketR4GM [23:36:49] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amx4spG6br8 [23:36:50] You4Tube 2[Title] TEDxSF - Shereef Bishay - Open Enterprise Applying Open Source Principles to the way we Work 2[Category] Howto 2[Duration] 0:08:02 2[Views] 90 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2011-08-31 2[Description] Shereef's first business was building the first online company in Egypt called careeregypt.com. 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