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[15:28:13] convert -delay 20 -loop kman Kebap*.gif animatedrbose.gif [15:56:02] *** Quits: iderik2 (idk@RBOSE-dv9gss.tbcn.telia.com) (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5) [16:07:52] *** Quits: ZyaX (9jti8d8@RBOSE-5lntnm.bredband.comhem.se) (Connection closed) [16:57:06] *** Joins: Cyclo_ (Cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) [17:04:20] *** Quits: Cyclo (Cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [17:15:37] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [17:15:38] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Calyp [17:15:46] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-6u17un.cust.telenor.se) [17:31:58] -nobody- Calyptratus has joined on FREENODE [17:31:59] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Calyptratus [17:32:07] *** Joins: Calyp (Caly@RBOSE-p2uvgc.cust.telenor.se) [17:33:04] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [17:37:01] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE.org) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [18:02:19] hey Calyp :) [18:02:29] pissed about OSE? ^^ [18:10:43] hey maat [18:21:22] maat: kinda [18:21:44] too many irrational dreamers [18:22:09] I guess It's too many Zeitgeisters in OSE now =( [18:22:29] lol i'm sure most of them don't know about zeitgeist [18:22:52] it's just that it's hard to organize a movement that wants to be flat [18:23:35] i felt progress were made in the last few weeks [18:23:57] clarity was not at it best, but everyone is trying to do its part [18:24:06] i feel that's the drawback of flat structure [18:24:21] but i have no experience whatsoever with "properly run" flat structures [18:24:45] and it looks like no one in the group has (except you?) [18:25:19] maybe you should try to guide the group a bit more [18:25:24] at least for the beginning [18:25:41] and that doesn't mean authoritarian ruling! [18:25:45] yeah, dude, I try, believe me. [18:26:48] maat: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645 [18:26:50] Title:  How Open Source Projects Survive Poisonous People (And You Can Too) (at video.google.com) [18:26:53] It's like trying to talk ratiionally with small kids on christmas ffs. [18:27:07] eheh looks interesting [18:27:17] don't be pessimistic [18:27:19] Kebap: that has been a good example of how to ABSOLUTELY NOT run an open project. [18:27:41] it's a bunch of excited people [18:27:50] we just have to canalize this energy [18:28:00] oh, the talk sucks according to you Calyp ? [18:28:10] Yep, horribly. [18:28:32] It's totally ass backwardds, that's like trying to do an open project the corporate way [18:29:20] You're free to post better info [18:29:28] well, again from my perspective, the corporate way is not all black [18:29:35] They are talking about how to effectively exclude people. It's totally tthe Zeitcult way of arguing. [18:29:48] maat: imho, it is. [18:30:03] stop bringin everything back to zeitgeist [18:30:12] i think you're wrong on that one :) [18:30:22] Kebap: there is an abunndance of information on how to facilitate a good consensus system. [18:30:32] and i'm just saying it's not all black, i don't say it's all white eh [18:31:28] maat: Well, I have had a shot load of experiance weorking with the zeitculkt in the past, and it's precicely what whent so horribly wrong there, the egocentric bullying and exclysion of people by a closed group on enforcerers. Kinda like the US government.. [18:31:30] you've seen yourself in OSE that the system you try to use is not working properly because people are not use to it [18:32:20] and stop using zeitgeist examples grmbl [18:32:26] Well, not beeing used to it is no excuse, they are not used to ANY sort of agreement system apart from family dinner. [18:32:27] i know you have a bad past with them [18:32:36] but everything does not go back to zeitgeist [18:32:43] ^^ [18:32:59] what i meant is: because they are not use to it, they should be guided [18:33:06] ofc not, but there is a shitload of Spanish and Italian culterrs in OSEE [18:33:47] I like the video, they show some common problems and suggest solutions. of course you can disagree with some suggestions, but nice observations and questions anyways [18:34:27] that's possible, but did anyone ever said something like "oh, that's how we do it in zeitgeist, we have to do the same here!" [18:34:31] Kebap: there is an abunndance of information on how to facilitate a good consensus system. <-- link? [18:34:32] ok Kebap thanks [18:34:41] Sure, and as I said, I'm trying, but they just agrees with me, and then ignores it and keeps on dreaming, keeps on making a shitload of definite statements about whoat to build, how big, what materials, etc etc when there is still not a clu about what we are allowed to build and where. [18:35:24] from what i've seen (and i'm guessng the others have seen the same) you didn't set any specific things to do [18:35:30] Kebap: actually, the best summary so far is in the book "Creating a life together - Practical tools to build ecovillages and intentional communities" [18:35:33] you proposed a meeting template [18:35:39] I see if i can find the PDF link, hang on.. [18:35:41] and a draft a OSEE versionning [18:35:55] would be nice [18:35:58] (the pdf) [18:36:31] http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2012/01/occupy_geriatrics_seniors_in_w.php [18:36:33] Title:  Occupy Geriatrics: Seniors in Walkers Shut Down Local Bank of America - San Francisco News - The Snitch (at blogs.sfweekly.com) [18:37:11] eheh [18:40:34] http://www.amazon.com/Creating-Life-Together-Ecovillages-Intentional/dp/0865714711 dont buy there, just read ^^ 10 reviews, all 5/5 stars [18:41:52] seems to deal with ppl who want to live together in a house or on commond land. don't know how directly this relates to international online communities, but seems interesting read anyway [18:48:36] http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/413QyKg6bxL._SS500_.jpg [18:52:12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFXXAuDK1Ao < w0w a dwarf from teh upcoming teh h0bbit movie or wo0t [18:52:14] Title:  Meet Vermin Supreme 2012 Presidential Candidate - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) [18:53:43] ;D [18:54:29] rofl "i am a friendly facist" how neat muahhahaha [18:55:17] haha [18:57:30] free ponys for everyb0dy [18:57:41] cm0n wake up [18:57:44] lol [19:00:16] :D [19:00:19] that was great [19:01:24] LOL [19:07:38] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Vermin_Supreme HAHAHA [19:07:40] Title:  Vermin Supreme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at secure.wikimedia.org) [19:09:26] FREE pony? [19:09:31] free pony ride for three [19:41:31] FAT92: that soudns actually a bit pervert [19:41:34] :o [19:41:36] lol [19:43:02] Kebap: yeah, still looking for the PDF link, bhut i have it if anyone wants me to try and DCC it [19:43:54] Kebap: oh, and well, the OSE Europe thing will just be a network, most people are in it for making IRL communities. [19:44:08] That's definitely the only reason I'm interested i OSE. [19:44:18] i liked the idea of OSEE being "just" a network [19:44:45] and then local communities can be attached to it somehow, but local people can decide the way they want to run it [19:44:55] But it seems I'm propably no gonna want to do my thing under any OSE flag anyways. [19:44:58] just upload the pdf somewhere Calyp [19:45:03] sure. [19:45:27] thx [20:05:40] uploading... [20:06:52] http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0DAC68NY [20:06:52] \O/ [20:06:55] Title:  MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service (at www.megaupload.com) [20:06:55] try it [20:07:06] read chapter 6-7 for instance [20:07:14] 6&7 [20:07:22] k [20:07:32] I have the paperback myself, but i think it was page 67 in the PDF... [20:07:40] my roomate is probably using megaupload already i cant download at the moment :p [20:07:46] haha [20:07:49] bummer [20:07:49] will read that asap [20:08:19] maat: catch [20:09:17] never used that Calyp [20:09:20] how can i accept? [20:09:44] i should be able to download on megaupload in 10mns anyway [20:10:02] ok [20:10:14] Kebap: got the link, or wanna DCC? 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