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[17:41:32] *bettermeans [18:09:58] Caly: yup, did a bit of cleanup so far... [18:27:41] elf-pavlik: ah, ok, yeah. 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[19:58:07] such a bitch to format [19:58:13] especially collaboratively [19:58:24] fucking wave owned! [19:58:41] hmmm...? [20:20:46] *** Joins: iderik (idk@RBOSE-dv9gss.tbcn.telia.com) [21:30:58] http://weev.livejournal.com/402016.html [21:30:59] URL Title: weev: @doctorow got an important point wrong at #28c3 [21:48:49] *** Joins: Hakufu (jonte@RBOSE-hmgf6g.bredband.comhem.se) [22:33:45] *** Joins: Rots (Rots@RBOSE-n6gq1b.adsl.alicedsl.de) [22:36:18] comotion: awake? [22:36:38] hallo rots [22:36:48] hey [22:36:51] :) [22:37:07] elf-pavlik: Did you miss Google Wave? It wa the bomb! [22:37:10] *was [22:37:13] * Rots is from Bank of Happiness [22:37:26] Hi DNS n Rots [22:37:27] welcome :)) [22:37:43] Rots: what is that? [22:37:54] and welcome =) [22:38:51] caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalyy [22:38:59] emm.. it's a place for sharing good will with others [22:39:00] hi swetheart =P [22:39:02] so, are you still in spain come february? [22:39:22] comotion: Rather, I might get dfown there til then. [22:39:32] in Ronneby now [22:39:42] maybe you'll still make it [22:39:48] I would like to extend the Hackeriet mini-festival invitation to all of RBOSE: http://events.hackeriet.no/ [22:39:49] URL Title: Hackeriet birthday [22:40:30] comotion: I was qurious, iff you're familiar with the process of turning olive oil nito bio-diesel? [22:40:36] cool, thanks. [22:40:55] well, sort of. I've investigated the chem and the process seems fairly straightforward [22:41:04] certainly easier/cheaper than alcohol production [22:41:07] welcome Rots :D [22:41:27] you saw my biodiesl microtalk didn't you? [22:42:16] hi lukas, how'sit going? [22:42:53] comotion: I did, i remember very little of it though, was super tiered [22:43:12] Caly: it's good :) Viper was here for two days, was awesome to meet him in person [22:43:19] Caly: I take that as a "no, haven't seen it". I don't have anything that runs on diesel yet so I havent gotten to the actual production of it yet. [22:43:21] http://comotion.delta9.pl/biodiesel.html [22:43:30] I hitch-hiked from Östhammar to Gothemburg xD [22:43:37] hehe yeah I remember that [22:43:56] olive oil works fine but it's more expensive and it's one of the few veg oils that are actually good for humans [22:44:24] better use rape oil, sunflower oil, corn oil or (gasp!) hemp oil [22:44:36] yeh, well, we have an abundance at site, and you can use the biproducts of the fool grade oil extraction as well. [22:44:40] but nany oil will work [22:45:06] yay, you thinking Spain again? oil extraction without heat is most efficient [22:45:21] man, if you make it in Spain I promise I will visit you asap [22:45:26] but I know jack shit about chemistry (in my opinion), so how the fuck do i turn it into methyl ester? [22:45:56] Caly: check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqpVe9kNbhg to learn what is Bank Of Happiness [22:45:57] You4Tube 2[Title] Time for Change (Bregtje van der Haak, VPRO Backlight 2010) 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 0:51:04 2[Views] 25174 2[Rating] 4.92 2[Uploaded] 2010-03-04 2[Description] Meet the new revolutionaries of the Do-It-Yourself cultures in Barcelona, Tallin and Jakarta. They are modern day heroes. They do not wait for political parties or institutions to change their world; they simply do it themselves, by creating new local c [22:46:04] Caly: pick up jack and hammer at that shit! you should be able to pick up basic org chem within a couple weeks/months [22:46:15] fool grade, haha... food grade [22:46:49] comotion: mkay. [22:47:13] besides, the process is done by hicks in usa with no basics in chem [22:47:25] and they get near perfect purity [22:47:42] Oh yeah, Spain is happening for shure. I can invite you to an event on facebook woth some info, we'rte detailing what to publish as we speak =P [22:47:51] <3 Mumble [22:47:57] Caly: do you have a date for spain? [22:48:25] iderik: some, There will be stuff punlished during the night i thik. [22:48:32] *think [22:48:46] ok :) [22:49:02] Caly: will let you get settled and connected before I come I think. so much goin on :p [22:49:03] lukas: cool, i wanna meet you both as well! [22:49:06] because now i know which days ill be free [22:49:31] lukas: perhaps we can do workers exchange when you got something going there =P [22:49:46] you mean free people? lol [22:49:53] comotion: lazy fucker! we need hands! [22:49:55] comotion: i found this GREAT bash tutorial from Alexander's site: http://subsignal.org/doc/AliensBashTutorial.html [22:49:56] URL Title: Alien's Bash Tutorial by Billy Wideling [22:50:07] lukas: indeed sir! [22:50:33] lye + methane = methoxyl. methoxyl mixed in correct proportion with oil creates heat and biodiesel [22:50:44] many good intro things online [22:51:00] Caly: and my hands you will have, I am not lazy! [22:51:10] but keep in mind I am not as free a man as you (yet) [22:52:22] hehe [22:52:30] I'm still struggling on that part. [22:52:42] Fuck I'ts HARD do get paperless! [22:52:44] Rots: interesting, so there are things happening in NL too [22:52:52] Caly: are you de-registring? [22:52:58] *** Joins: Darren_Dazinism (Darren@RBOSE-sq2b18.as13285.net) [22:52:59] perhaps elf-pavlik has another perspective? =P [22:53:02] I've been listening to some real cool Freeman podcasts [22:53:29] * elf-pavlik haven't followed, bit busy [22:53:57] comotion: not really, but getting out of all kinds of services, debts, cars and shit [22:54:13] elf-pavlik: just [22:54:15] said [22:54:17] Fuck I'ts HARD do get paperless! [22:54:40] nope you just need to find apropriate recycling bins ;) [22:55:10] comotion: have ou seen the brittish series "It's not easy being green"? [22:55:23] It's great fun ^^ [22:55:50] no, haven't seen it. Watching How TV ruined your Life" atm [22:56:05] elf-pavlik: you don't make an effort to get rid of the past? [22:56:20] comotion: sounds fun enough... (?) [22:56:56] get rid of the past? why would I? [22:58:24] Caly: I'm uploading some podcasts you might find helpful in the regard of getting paperless [22:58:35] you had no services going perhaps? [22:58:59] or is some firm still trying to bill you for shit? [22:59:09] telephone or so [22:59:40] comotion: aha, I'll watch 'em for shure [22:59:49] podcasts. listen, no watchy [22:59:57] ph [23:00:05] *oh, ok [23:00:11] I have slow uplink, will link you once the upload finishes [23:00:15] the better [23:00:21] nope, i lived in northern amercia (part which some people consider an USA) and had some debts in cards but haven't heard anything about it, anyhow asking me for money makes no sense ;) [23:00:23] that's cool [23:00:46] elf-pavlik: haha, right on. [23:01:37] well, I don't wanna let others have to deal with my shit, so I'm cleaning up after me here. [23:02:17] If nothing else, out of respect for my relatives that are gonna get the calls and angry mails otherwise. [23:02:38] Caly: sure, i wouldn't do this to people neither! [23:02:47] right [23:03:30] I mean, I'll keep my citizenship alive and shit for now, but I'll be out of reach for anyone anyway soon ^^ [23:03:55] unless CIA starts to mess with my activism or sumthin xD [23:03:58] the freeman podcasts are touching stories from people who have gone against the government personally around the world (and won). it's real good information [23:04:17] comotion: awesum!!! [23:04:33] like Mike reynolds, real heroes! [23:04:58] Caly have you seen UNGRIP movie? [23:05:09] yeah Caly. [23:05:12] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uliLfykURYo [23:05:16] interesting stuff [23:05:26] yeah, really slow movie though, was an ewffort. [23:06:11] * elf-pavlik needs to switch bug on debugging mailer in bettermeans... [23:06:13] seen the other two he made as well, esoteric agenda, and whetever the last one is called. [23:06:35] or Ungrip was propably the last, but the third.. [23:06:43] like painfully slow uploading? [23:06:52] to lazy to DuckDuck it. [23:07:01] KYMATICA, it's right there in the title linked :-) [23:07:04] right! [23:07:35] I haven't seen them. haven't found the time :P [23:07:37] lukas / DNS why the fuck didn't the bot respond to the link now? [23:07:40] o_O [23:07:55] I bet I know. [23:07:59] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uliLfykURYo [23:08:00] You4Tube 2[Title] UNGRIP (From the creators of Esoteric Agenda and KYMATICA) 2[Category] Nonprofit 2[Duration] 1:11:12 2[Views] 78846 2[Rating] 4.94 2[Uploaded] 2011-09-26 2[Description] WWW.TALISMANICIDOLS.ORG (Official video source) www.facebook.com/UNGRIP For more information: www.ConsciousSelfGovernance.ca To "Like" us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Conscious-Self-Governance/231543463546799 At a major juncture i [23:08:09] aha [23:08:10] https isn't supported here either :-P [23:08:37] oh, will need to fix that :) [23:08:43] weird [23:08:57] well we need to change some stuff [23:09:05] but well others could do something too [23:09:08] :x [23:09:10] lol [23:10:34] http://u.delta9.pl/k/freeman634/ <-- freeman podcasts. Start with Bubbles.mp3 it's the coolest one. [23:10:36] URL Title: Index of /k/freeman634/ [23:12:42] *** Quits: Darren_Dazinism (Darren@RBOSE-sq2b18.as13285.net) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [23:18:01] *** Quits: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-1a724n.bredband.comhem.se) (Quit: Lämnar) [23:22:00] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bVDQ4rVrM4 [23:22:01] You4Tube 2[Title] Linux Sets You Free 2[Category] Music 2[Duration] 0:03:53 2[Views] 40215 2[Rating] 4.31 2[Uploaded] 2009-04-09 2[Description] Linux Sets You Free Music Video by Novell Lyrics by Scott Dastrup and Troy Monney Song written and performed by Scott Dastrup Little "J" - Jordan Dastrup Digital Effects Master - Ryan Smith Gimp Guru - Karlin Stokes Filmed and Edited by Russ Dastrup [23:22:15] Caly: fixed ^ [23:22:25] noice [23:22:28] cool! =) [23:22:41] :) [23:22:46] that's what i call speed of implementation [23:27:51] -nobody- Darren_Dazinism has joined on FREENODE [23:28:03] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Read error: Operation timed out) [23:28:38] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [23:28:40] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Calyp [23:38:21] Caly: how it's going with osee? do they have such strong $ focus too like ose? [23:40:13] lukas: on last mumble about a week ago we discussed that at this moment osee as a network should not even have a bank account and local groups can deal with money themselves and they like... [23:40:34] just if the use OSE branding for fundraising 25% of money should go to FeF [23:40:55] lol [23:40:59] whats FeF? [23:41:15] DNS777: Factor E Farm [23:41:21] ah thx [23:42:12] lukas: also noaidi from cohabitat wants to start a local group =) [23:42:52] * elf-pavlik ok back on this stupid mailer issue :( [23:43:00] yeah, i bet, he writes a lot about money as i see, more and more into business [23:46:54] elf-pavlik: i even laugh when i see that they wrote on the main website they have "educational-workshop activities and commercial activities", that's bs, they only have commercial in fact, they _sell_ knowledge on these workshops, and that's their product for sell [23:50:33] =( but i guess if they see way to keep what they do another (moneyless) way most likely will change... [23:52:17] elf-pavlik: i'm not so sure [23:52:33] i see open abuse, like with android which now is worst than win crap and mac, has found some ground unfortunately [23:53:19] have you seen this stuff http://opencapitalist.org/content/detailed-open-source-project-creation ? [23:53:20] URL Title: Detailed Open Source Project Creation | Open Capitalist [23:53:54] open capitalist lol [23:54:07] sounds really stupid [23:54:53] DNS777: that's work of ose as far i read in the text [23:56:06] lukas: from my experience many people just got stuck in using money and have hard time to 'think outside of the box' [23:56:43] the problem is that they dont know about solutions [23:57:01] but myself too i must say i some kinda way [23:57:04] yes, and the quality of solution is proportional to time spend on it, these people who stuck try usually not more than for few minutes :( [23:57:37] theres no common alternative for the monetary system [23:57:47] and that sucks [23:57:58] this alternative needs to be created [23:58:06] and by the people [23:58:10] last days i started dumping this on in case i haven't share it here yet: http://polyeconomy.hackers4peace.net/ [23:58:11] URL Title: Polyeconomy [23:59:22] intersting elf-pavlik, thx [23:59:24] elf-pavlik: that is a good idea :)