[00:00:07] thx =) [00:08:18] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [00:12:00] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE.org) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [00:12:46] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-f88u7l.cust.telenor.se) [00:12:55] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [00:12:56] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Calyp [00:16:03] *** Joins: Darren_Dazinism (Darren@RBOSE-sq2b18.as13285.net) [00:34:01] -nobody- Darren_Dazinism has quit FREENODE (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [00:34:01] *** Quits: Darren_Dazinism (Darren@RBOSE-sq2b18.as13285.net) (Connection closed) [00:34:10] *** Joins: Darren_Dazinism (Darren@RBOSE-sq2b18.as13285.net) [00:34:20] -nobody- Darren_Dazinism has joined on FREENODE [00:34:28] hi Darren_Dazinism :) [00:36:54] *** Joins: Darren_ (Darren@RBOSE-sq2b18.as13285.net) [00:37:37] Hello lukas [00:37:46] :) [00:37:59] bloody computers..... [00:42:03] can i get a suggestion as to a good ethic site to put up a blog on? [00:42:41] or is it easy to set up a system on a server for some clean easy blog onterface? [00:43:07] elf-pavlik: comotion lukas DNS any ideas? scrdcow ? [00:43:15] Clay https://network23.org/ [00:43:18] URL Title: Network 23 | a network for free sites [00:43:25] *Caly [00:43:59] suppose it depends a bit on your intended audience [00:45:05] might be a bit 'radical' for some.... I've seen people host sites there and somehow have their own URL [00:47:35] cool, yeah, I have a domain or two i could use. [00:52:06] -nobody- Darren_Dazinism has quit FREENODE (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [00:52:06] *** Quits: Darren_Dazinism (Darren@RBOSE-sq2b18.as13285.net) (Connection closed) [00:52:07] *** Quits: Darren_ (Darren@RBOSE-sq2b18.as13285.net) (Connection reset by peer) [00:52:34] *** Joins: Darren_Dazinism (Darren@RBOSE-sq2b18.as13285.net) [00:52:45] -nobody- Darren_Dazinism has joined on FREENODE [01:03:40] Caly, installing Wordpress on your own server would give more options. Here is a site hosted on network23 that uses its own URL https://www.reclaimthefields.org.uk/ [01:11:44] Darren_Dazinism: Cool, thanks. I guess the question now is if it's smarter to have total control, or letting go and credit a good initiative. It seemsl like Network 23 is a good thing, i like radical! [01:13:12] -nobody- Darren_Dazinism has left on FREENODE ("Leaving") [01:14:17] elf-pavlik like your polyeconomy site..... [01:14:49] Darren_Dazinism: hit us! [01:15:47] Caly ??? [01:16:32] Darren_Dazinism: thx, just started dumping a thought but sometimes we got stuck with trying to find 'the system' rahter then have all kind of variants available to use [01:16:54] elf-pavlik got a few bookmarks about alternative currencies - guess may be something of interest? http://www.diigo.com/user/dazinism/alternativecurrency?type=all [01:16:55] URL Title: alternativecurrency - Darren Hill on Diigo [01:18:42] cool thx! [01:18:55] yeah, cool [01:19:11] Darren_Dazinism: oh, i meant, hit us with the URL to whatever you refered to there [01:20:01] Caly was http://polyeconomy.hackers4peace.net/ [01:20:02] URL Title: Polyeconomy [01:44:45] *** Quits: Cyclo (Cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) (Connection closed) [01:56:06] -nobody- Caly_ has joined on FREENODE [01:56:07] -nobody- Caly_ has quit FREENODE (Changing host) [01:56:09] -nobody- Caly_ has joined on FREENODE [01:56:10] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Caly_ [01:56:48] -nobody- Caly_ has quit FREENODE (Remote host closed the connection) [02:57:13] rhttp://thehill.com/video/senate/205883-rand-paul-qour-dignitys-been-compromised-by-the-tsa [02:57:14] URL Title: Rand Paul: 'Our dignity's been compromised' by the TSA - The Hill's Video [02:57:28] Darren_Dazinism: oh, tnx [02:59:01] Darren_Dazinism: that comparsion graphic was awesome!" great work! [02:59:07] whoever made it [02:59:42] Caly which graphic??? [03:01:22] polyeconomy was made by elf if thats what you mean. 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[07:53:47] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Remote host closed the connection) [10:20:52] *** Joins: Cyclo (Cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) [11:20:37] *** Joins: Darren_Dazinism (Darren@RBOSE-8i0046.as13285.net) [11:21:33] *** Quits: Darren_Dazinism (Darren@RBOSE-8i0046.as13285.net) (Connection closed) [11:21:40] *** Joins: Darren_Dazinism (Darren@RBOSE-8i0046.as13285.net) [11:22:33] -nobody- _darren has joined on FREENODE [11:22:43] -nobody- _darren has left on FREENODE [11:24:08] elf-pavlik: "Shared benefit systems make an assumption that if we decide to support something with our contributions. We care about outcome of such collective effort." - shouldn't it be a one sentence with comma? [11:24:59] lukas: right, have typed it too early in the morning... [11:25:21] hi :) [11:26:16] btw: pull requests wellcomed ;) https://gitorious.org/polyeconomy/website [11:26:17] URL Title: website in Polyeconomy - Gitorious [11:26:40] ok :D [11:26:59] * elf-pavlik TODO: add linke to repo on website... [11:33:43] elf-pavlik: where would you put systems based on use value rather than exchange value, where free copying plays a major role as the distribution mechanism since it's just possible already in many cases? just in free sharing? :) [11:36:57] last 3... shared benefit, social karma, free sharing [11:37:21] shared benefit relates somehow to: http://www.keimform.de/2011/benefit-driven-production/ [11:37:39] and Christian's earlier book: http://peerconomy.org [11:37:40] URL Title: Peerconomy.org [11:38:02] but with more variants than described there [11:38:52] in social karma people can just express their appreciation to contribuors of open techologies etc. [11:40:42] i read book of that guy :) some of his ideas i liked, some i thought are presenting just systems of rationing [11:41:16] as i said i see it just as one of variants we can use just in certain cases [11:41:32] :) [11:44:55] Good morning [11:45:57] hi Darren :) [11:46:13] elf-pavlik polyeconomy mademe think of http://open.coop/tiki-index.php?page=PlaNet [11:46:15] URL Title: The Open Co-op : PlaNet [11:49:56] yeah, came accross it and would like to get back in touch with people there [11:50:28] btw, hanging out last days with Arthur Brock from Metacurrency etc. one of their old projects you can find here: http://flowplace.webnode.com/ [11:50:29] URL Title: The flowplace [11:50:30] Darren, you asked about the freelab location. The first one which we are setting up is in poland. It's where i'am at this specific moment. [11:50:31] hey there [11:50:35] interesting link Darren_Dazinism [11:50:40] Joseph was involved - he on OSEE list. [11:51:38] elf-pavlik Joseph from http://uniteddiversity.com/ [11:51:39] URL Title: Together We Have Everything : Discover, Contribute, Replicate | United Diversity [11:51:47] Darren_Dazinism: yup, came accross his work... [11:52:18] lukas.... was just about to ask you that :) [11:52:55] Darren_Dazinism: i like the 'buildingman' concept! [11:53:30] elf-pavlik added a few extra links to my alternativecurrency bookmarks last night.... which included metacurrency [11:54:15] elf-pavlik yeah buildingman is a good lan I thinks :) [11:57:48] Anyone read? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt%3A_The_First_5000_Years [11:57:50] URL Title: Debt: The First 5000 Years - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [11:58:47] Read a few articles and they've influenced my thoughts. Gonna get me a hard copy for my travels [11:59:21] (articles = interviews & reviews) [12:00:12] Darren_Dazinism: have heard this book mentioned on #unhosted (http://unhosted.org) channel where people also work on http://www.webcredits.org/ now... [12:00:13] URL Title: Unhosted: separating web apps from data storage [12:00:22] thx for the link, looks very interesting! [12:01:02] I found this interview and the following comments very interesting... a lot there but worth the read http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/08/what-is-debt-%E2%80%93-an-interview-with-economic-anthropologist-david-graeber.html [12:01:03] URL Title: What is Debt? – An Interview with Economic Anthropologist David Graeber « naked capitalism [12:01:06] Darren_Dazinism's URL: http://tinyurl.com/3k9dbsf [12:03:45] I read it over the course of a few days..... [12:08:53] debt is not your friend :D [12:09:04] !pillow all [12:09:05] ACTION starts a pillow fight in #RBOSE, and throws a pillow in everbodys face [12:09:10] :D [12:09:31] debt makes you special :D [12:09:42] my debts bigger than yours!!! [12:09:50] yes, cause i have non :D [12:10:25] !pillow kalken [12:10:27] ACTION quickly throws a pillow in the face of kalken [12:11:46] :O [12:11:49] elf-pavlik webcredits looks very interesting [12:12:11] kalken :P [12:12:29] we dont need no credits, if people just understood the importance of helping others without asking for a price [12:13:33] i see nothing on webcredit, not a single line, probably filled with js to the extend of loosing completely readability :( [12:13:58] lukas? [12:14:41] www.webcredits.org = blank white page here on m$ server... [12:15:07] ?:| [12:15:11] *** Joins: Rots00 (Rots@RBOSE-p8hpot.adsl.alicedsl.de) [12:15:59] lukas - Web Credits is an ultra simple system for storing and transferring IOUs (credits) between agents. [12:15:59] The aim of this spec is not to exceed 2 pages, be usable to create distributed payments, and arbitrarily extensible to add encryption, workflow, trust and aggregation systems of your chosing. [12:15:59] 95%+ of the money in the world is in the form of an IOU. A bank balance is an IOU from the bank to you, Cash is often an IOU from a govt. to an individual. [12:15:59] The protocol is inspired by the Linked Data and PaySwarm standards, and is a usable subset that focuses on the data layer (JSON) and communication to apps (HTTP). [12:16:27] :O sorry missboty [12:16:32] http://www.w3.org/community/webpayments/wiki/Web_Credits [12:16:33] URL Title: Web Credits - Web Payments [12:17:37] its not "credits" that are important, but the way they make people change their way of thinking :D [12:18:29] going from not wanting to help to wanting to help to a certain point. lol. Its a somewhat religion in itself, but of the sort nobody really questions [12:18:44] lukas: i dag the w3 likn with curl -v -L [12:20:16] kalken think I agree. Big jump from what we have now to somewhere much better [12:20:28] yes :) [12:20:31] *** Joins: kman (kman@RBOSE-99ftnt.student.uu.se) [12:20:40] Darren_Dazinism: still a goal worth having [12:20:47] .... on a world scale that is [12:21:03] we all know how to do it, because we do it everyday with our friends/family [12:21:08] kalken: we question :D [12:21:17] !morning kman [12:21:17] ACTION wishes kman a Good Morning :-) (And not only because lukas requested that) [12:21:51] the 'robots' have been programmed well - much hacking to resolve (I incude myself as a robot) [12:21:57] *include [12:22:00] kalken: have you seen this one: http://polyeconomy.hackers4peace.net/ ? [12:22:01] URL Title: Polyeconomy [12:22:11] *** Quits: Rots (Rots@RBOSE-n6gq1b.adsl.alicedsl.de) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [12:22:23] i don't see web credits as 'the system' but someting adding to diversity of options everyone can choose from [12:22:50] i don't believe in 'the system' at all ;) [12:23:08] its because a lack of a system we need credits :D [12:23:13] kalken - yes to friends family - although sadly sometimes the system forces itself into these spaces [12:23:47] elf-pavlik :D [12:24:04] kalken :D [12:24:17] Darren_Dazinism: :D [12:24:44] I meant dominant system of financial interaction forces itself into friends-family [12:24:52] *ment [12:25:05] ..... I cant spell [12:25:19] ..... or dont know if I can??? [12:26:20] transition would ofc be for the Pyramid $keem's to end :D [12:26:30] i started brainstorming about using someting like http://openhatch.org/ for wishlists... [12:26:33] URL Title: OpenHatch - Community tools for free and open source software [12:27:18] @OccupyLSX will release album, 'Folk The Banks' - from Occupation Records - http://bit.ly/wqOq5m [12:27:19] URL Title: Occupation Records tests City limits with protest benefit album | UK news | guardian.co.uk [12:27:43] since a bugtrackes already serve as a bit narrow field wishlists ;) [12:37:52] elf-pavlik: you should go to fscons next year :D http://fscons.org [12:37:53] URL Title: FSCONS 2011 | FSCONS [12:37:56] great stuff [12:38:59] kalken: nice, any plans for next one? [12:39:22] ok, i'll just subscribe to http://blog.fscons.org/ [12:39:23] URL Title: FSCONS blog [12:39:49] morning lukas [12:52:06] How we all doing today? [12:59:51] we are doing fine! [12:59:56] u? :) [13:00:01] *** Joins: Antilect (antilect@RBOSE-1a724n.bredband.comhem.se) [13:00:31] kman, good thanks :) [13:30:59] *** Joins: mrguser (mirggi@RBOSE-4lqirv.threembb.co.uk) [13:32:04] *** mrguser is now known as darren-mobile [13:35:38] *** Quits: Kebap (Max@RBOSE-05vtp6.adsl.alicedsl.de) (Connection closed) [13:36:00] -nobody- Kebap23 has quit FREENODE (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:40:08] *** Joins: Kebap (Max@RBOSE-e8elfn.adsl.alicedsl.de) [13:42:49] -nobody- Kebap23 has joined on FREENODE [13:42:50] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Kebap23 [13:44:49] Just installed mirggi on my old nokia smartphone and its working!!! Is there a better client for Symbian [13:45:35] Couldnt get the latest version of mirggi to work on this phone [13:46:19] darren-mobile: not sure, try ask in query DNS777, he will reply when he will get back [13:51:32] cheers lukas [13:51:46] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHWBz0ZROAQ&feature=related [13:51:47] You4Tube 2[Title] Katie Melua - Just Like Heaven [High Quality] 2[Category] Music 2[Duration] 0:03:28 2[Views] 289432 2[Rating] 4.96 2[Uploaded] 2009-01-06 2[Description] www.katiemelua.com Katie Melua - Just like heaven - Piece by piece Show me how you do that trick The one that makes me scream he said The one that makes me laugh he said And threw his arms around my neck Show me how you do it And I promise you I promise that I'll [14:08:26] *** Quits: darren-mobile (mirggi@RBOSE-4lqirv.threembb.co.uk) (Quit: ) [14:14:45] -nobody- Darren--- has joined on FREENODE [14:31:48] *** Quits: Darren_Dazinism (Darren@RBOSE-8i0046.as13285.net) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [15:01:52] *** Joins: Airi (qwebirc@RBOSE-6vaqna.elisa.ee) [15:34:20] *** Joins: Rots (qwebirc@RBOSE-pp1f8s.ee.logica.com) [16:33:17] I'm surprised rbose doesn't have a blog-like thing [16:40:44] *** Joins: Darren_Dazinism (Darren@RBOSE-8i0046.as13285.net) [16:47:07] *** Joins: __Darren (Darren@RBOSE-la7san.as13285.net) [16:52:33] *** Quits: Darren_Dazinism (Darren@RBOSE-8i0046.as13285.net) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [17:17:45] *** Quits: Rots (qwebirc@RBOSE-pp1f8s.ee.logica.com) (Quit: Page closed) [17:18:00] *** Joins: Darren_Dazinism (Darren@RBOSE-1n9fqd.as13285.net) [17:19:15] comotion, then why dont you make one? ^^ [17:23:45] *** Quits: __Darren (Darren@RBOSE-la7san.as13285.net) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [17:33:06] *** Quits: kman (kman@RBOSE-99ftnt.student.uu.se) (Connection closed) [17:35:41] *** Quits: Airi (qwebirc@RBOSE-6vaqna.elisa.ee) (Quit: Page closed) [17:49:44] hmm I thought about having a blog platform [17:49:59] trouble is I am not so fond of wordpress that I'd want to run it myself [18:22:23] -nobody- Darren--- has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [18:34:46] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-r664k1.cust.telenor.se) [18:34:53] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [18:34:54] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Calyp [18:41:43] comotion, Caly was asking about wordpress yesterday... I suggested could use hosting at http://network23.org [18:41:45] URL Title: Network 23 | a network for free sites [18:46:21] *** Joins: Darren___ (Darren@RBOSE-g8tqvc.as13285.net) [18:51:12] *** Quits: Darren_Dazinism (Darren@RBOSE-1n9fqd.as13285.net) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [18:51:23] network for free sites [18:51:30] was just thinking of [18:55:42] *** Quits: iderik2 (idk@RBOSE-dv9gss.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [18:56:30] I lied a bit Clay wasnt asking for wordpress but wanted a blog... [18:57:31] Not that I know much about such things but as far as I understand setting up wordpress on your own server is easy once its there a web interface allows much customisation. [19:05:18] y wp is great [19:05:20] yes* [19:44:25] *** Quits: Darren___ (Darren@RBOSE-g8tqvc.as13285.net) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [20:01:12] *** Quits: kalken (default@RBOSE-41ee6l.bredband.comhem.se) (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2) [20:11:37] -nobody- Darren--- has joined on FREENODE [20:13:55] https://www.facebook.com/events/334671186553928/ [20:13:56] URL Title: Open Source Ecology Europe first Location - Invitation to Extremadura. | Facebook [20:30:23] Hi folks [20:32:05] howdy Viper [20:32:50] hey Kebap good thanks :) [20:33:19] -nobody- Out`Of`Control has joined on FREENODE [20:33:20] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Out`Of`Control [20:55:51] `f [20:55:52] Viper: A kind of Batman of contemporary letters. -- Philip Larkin on Anthony Burgess [21:03:08] * Kebap just learned how to stream video through the interwebz via VLC player [21:04:00] VLC = VideoLAN Client :D it's made for it! so great Kebap <3 [21:04:00] :) [21:04:05] I have yet to make it wor [21:04:05] k [21:06:02] it's awesome [21:06:21] Cool Kebap [21:06:28] streamripper [21:06:32] Kebap i try it once and fail with VLC [21:06:44] is a nice app when u want to record a stream when ya sleeping [21:06:54] :D [21:07:36] DNS777: :D [21:09:28] -nobody- Darren--- has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [21:15:46] Ah, here we go. Our blog is started =) openeland.org [21:20:15] nice :) [21:20:57] Caly: we were talkin for long creatin a bot integrated with tg2 but still no present [21:21:32] Caly: at all we need to get tg2 runnin as core of the main website asap [21:21:55] *** Joins: Darren___ (Darren@RBOSE-g8tqvc.as13285.net) [21:22:12] Kebap: btw did you recently coded something related to a blog? 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[22:07:57] !g tg2 [22:07:59] Google | Tg2 - Homepage @ http://www.tg2.rai.it/ | X5DAL-TG2 - Super Micro Computer, Inc. @ http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/E7505/X5DAL-TG2.cfm | Welcome to TG2 Artists! @ http://www.tg2artists.com/ [22:08:19] no? [22:09:15] !w turbo gears 2 [22:09:17] The page "Turbo gears 2" does not exist. You can ask for it to be created, but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered. For search help, please visit Help:Searching. 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