[00:53:55] *** Joins: Darren_Dazinism (Darren@RBOSE-hcdkoo.as13285.net) [00:54:43] http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Milkymist_One [00:54:44] URL Title: Milkymist One - Qi-Hardware [00:56:27] noice [01:14:18] *** Quits: Darren_Dazinism (Darren@RBOSE-hcdkoo.as13285.net) (Quit: Leaving) [01:22:52] *** Quits: Cyclo (cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) (Quit: Leaving) [03:31:24] *** Joins: Darren_Dazinism (Darren@RBOSE-hcdkoo.as13285.net) [03:31:33] Hello people [03:31:55] Need some Linux advice.... which distro should I use??? Anyone??? [03:34:55] hi [03:35:08] Darren_Dazinism: are you a new user to gnu/linux? [03:35:22] yeah [03:35:25] Darren_Dazinism: how good are you with computers at a whole? [03:35:47] Darren_Dazinism: do you have time and want to learn more, or you just want something that works? [03:35:49] OKish dont code [03:35:53] ok. [03:36:06] just want it to work :) [03:36:10] myself i run debian. it's not hard, but it's not like ubuntu, mint, etc. [03:36:16] Thinkpad x60 [03:36:22] 3gb ram [03:36:28] i would go with ubuntu or mint I guess. I haven't tried mint myself, but people seem to like it. [03:36:38] they are both based on debian. [03:36:43] oh nice :-) [03:36:48] <- x201 [03:37:27] thats younger brother??? [03:38:18] debian - voulentary driven project, strong believer in free software, etc [03:38:34] ubuntu - more run by canonical, but with help from the community, not as strong believer in free software [03:38:40] mint - haven't got a clue :-D [03:38:44] found this http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X60 [03:38:45] URL Title: Category:X60 - ThinkWiki [03:38:49] younger brother? [03:39:10] the x201 is more modern version of x60? [03:39:13] Darren_Dazinism: yeah, it's a great site for running gnu/linux on thinkpads. [03:39:24] Darren_Dazinism: yes, newer machine in the X series. [03:40:13] at the bottom of that pagr links to pages covering installs of different distros [03:40:33] but I'd only heard ofArch Linux previously [03:41:01] Not much done recently though [03:41:24] Darren_Dazinism: ah ok. most of them are simple to install. just try one out (i would go with ubuntu or mint for starters) and play around. most applications and other system stuff is pretty much the same, so it's not to different for you if you later switch. [03:42:13] Darren_Dazinism: arch is more of a lightweight distro that takes som more time to get into I guess. haven't used it myself. [03:42:34] its got XP on it. I've also got a legit version of Windows 7 here [03:43:02] was going to do dual boot and think Windows 7 with Linux [03:43:17] Darren_Dazinism: it works fine [03:44:27] yeah cool. Can you recommend a partitioning tool I should use and I guess I go with mint?? [03:45:08] GParted?? [03:45:20] Darren_Dazinism: the distros ofcourse work different, but there are two main divides. the distros based on redhat (that uses rpm package manager), and the ones based on debian (that uses apt). except those there are many other distros ofcourse, but those are the bigger fields. [03:45:27] Darren_Dazinism: it's included with the installation. [03:46:07] Darren_Dazinism: the installation can do it all for you automatically or you can do it manually either in the installation-thingie (or with gparted if you like). [03:46:21] so if I'm not keeping XP best to do a fresh install with mint and partition it up as I go [03:46:38] Darren_Dazinism: you boot from usb-stick or cd and you get into a full live system with everything. [03:46:54] I'm gonna try mint to be different!!! [03:46:59] hehe [03:47:18] many people uses mint. if you want to be different you have to code your own os ;-) [03:47:31] I'm not crazy :P [03:47:36] ....actually [03:49:11] scrdcow you think best to install windows first or linux??? [03:50:00] I dunno how win 7 works with partition when you install, have only installed it once. but I guses I would install it first, just because I dunno what it's doing. and then install gnu/linux later. many distros, for ex ubuntu, is also made alot more for users that want to transition so they make sure it works good. [03:50:44] you can even install it on ntfs and you don't have to partition. but i wouldn't recommend that. for me atleast, it seems cleaner and better to have partitions for it on it's own. [03:51:43] OK here I go then.... shit I gotta sleep sometime too..... [03:52:07] but if you want to make a switch, and really get into gnu/linux more it could also be good to leave win7 out completly. if youd on't really need it that is. I mean, you learn more if you really stick to it and figure stuff out instead fo rebooting to something you already now to dos tuff. [03:52:12] Darren_Dazinism: hehe [03:52:16] Darren_Dazinism: where do you live? [03:52:31] UK..... you? [03:52:35] sweden [03:53:00] I flying out on friday for a bit [03:53:17] flying where? [03:53:26] Mexico [03:53:41] if you have any questions later i'm happy to help you out (installation etc..). but maybe not this night. [03:53:44] nice :-) [03:54:00] cheers for the offer... appreciated [03:54:05] the birthplace of tpb ;-) [03:54:42] never knew that [03:55:46] just a short while before it grew to big for the slow connection. [03:56:04] and also I think anakata moved back to sweden. [03:56:08] brb [03:56:23] Darren_Dazinism: what are you gonna do, vacation-thingie? [03:57:28] kinda yeah.... going to see my lady she been out that way for a while, working and stuff [03:58:03] ok cool :-) [03:58:10] get away from the cold [03:58:41] yeah I timed it right :) [03:58:42] Darren_Dazinism: how did you find out about rbose? [03:59:05] (and what made you join here) [03:59:10] stumbeled across it doing web searches on alternative economics [04:00:14] liked what I saw and on 3g connection with limited gb so mumble didnt appear a good idea [04:00:26] http://fraukedecoodt.wordpress.com/ [04:00:28] URL Title: Frauke.Decoodt [04:01:16] RBOSE got me using IRC.... was a little while back now last year I think or maybe the end of the year before [04:01:43] yourself?? how you find and why you join?? [04:01:57] oh ok :-) [04:02:02] oh yeah OSE got me back on IRC recently [04:02:26] I was using tinyIRC but it was a pain setting up every time I started [04:02:44] ...logging on servers and channels [04:02:45] Darren_Dazinism: through caly on the swedish pirateparty irc-channel. but iv'e been into things that rbose stands for for a long while. [04:03:09] hehe, haven't tried. running irssi nowadays. [04:04:06] I got Ychat on this old Toughbook running XP [04:04:25] toughbook? [04:04:27] think I need to stick Linux on here [04:04:35] yes :-D do iiit [04:04:41] and do a fresh install of XP [04:04:58] getting a bit creaky ... [04:05:05] stick it in... it feels gooood ;-) [04:05:07] creaky? [04:05:14] slow [04:05:24] nm, looked it up. [04:05:25] ok [04:05:54] think its mainly the security anti- virus, malware, spyware etc. [04:06:18] freaks out fairly quick if I start watching utube [04:10:15] scrdcow was IRCing with Caly recently... [04:10:50] He said someone was thinking of heading to OEL from Sweeden.... you?? [04:14:41] not me. [04:14:46] I have my own place here. [04:15:17] Darren_Dazinism: I was [04:15:23] not feeling like moving to somewhere else to do the same stuff I can do here. [04:15:32] sort of. [04:15:38] scrdcow: like,,,freezing your ass of? [04:15:51] da [04:16:07] Caly: hehe, i'm not. :-) [04:16:18] Darren_Dazinism: btw, answered that googlr group post today [04:16:21] Caly: I appreciate winters. [04:16:32] madness.... [04:17:33] Caly: because during summer here, so much happens, winter is the time of your when you can take it more easy and be inside and do inside-stuff. [04:17:43] time of year* [04:17:47] Caly - yeah I saw [04:18:06] and a bit of fall and spring too. the summer could be a litle longer thou. [04:18:13] :) [04:18:35] ^Caly [04:18:44] and I also don't really feel safe to move down deeper into europe if shit is happening. [04:20:03] I want to be more remote. not completly remote here, but still a bit more. [04:20:33] scrdcow so you sort out the secret hide out for us then :) [04:22:12] have you seen the videos of the bloke in America building the giant spider robot??? [04:22:23] Darren_Dazinism: hehe, I actually wish I was so determined and could do it. it would be cool. but I really can't work that hard towards it. [04:22:40] Darren_Dazinism: maaaybee.. sounds familiar. url me up! [04:24:51] http://jamius.com/Robot/Robot.html [04:24:52] URL Title: Robot [04:24:57] thx [04:25:00] will check soon [04:25:06] watching docu right now. [04:25:11] he also builds a secret hideout [04:26:15] nice [04:26:29] would be cool to live somwhere that can't be spotted from above [04:26:41] but ofcourse you fields will be and such [04:27:21] and I guess it wouldn't be hard to find if someone really wanted to (like corporate/state power). [04:27:30] but still. [04:32:43] Darren_Dazinism: cool, looking at some vid now. [04:34:14] people live without others knowing.... even here in densely populated UK [04:34:31] yeah, I saw some article about that [04:35:24] but I mean, you can be pretty hidden from ordinary folks, but from the corporations and state it's not that easy. but to hide from ordinary folk can be good enough in some situations :-) [04:39:30] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [04:43:07] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE.org) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [04:44:56] I guess they are kinda hiding from the state.... if there houses are found they sometimes have to pull them down [04:45:39] ok :-/ [04:46:24] there are some small houses here built without permission etc. but the people aren't really hiding from the state. just want to be free and build whatever they feel like. [04:46:50] here, where I live I mean. probably more in rest of sweden. [04:48:43] Darren_Dazinism: are there alot of dissidents in the uk moving out in the woods? [04:49:49] not lots, not all dissidents (depending how you define such) but house prices are very high so some just build without permission [04:50:33] nice :-) [04:50:51] of couse there are risks.... [04:50:53] I was mostly thingking about the alternative movement, that wants to build alternative societies. [04:51:20] yeah there does appear to be networks forming doing such things [04:51:34] I've seen some web stuff [04:51:45] also chatted to some people IRL [04:51:53] ok :-) [04:52:09] there are some stuff going on here aswell. but not that much... but it's growing. [04:52:20] was bigger in the 70ies thou.. but sort of comming back. [04:52:49] (as can be seen in the visions here in rbose aswell) [04:54:01] yeah lots of old (and new) intentional communities here which own the place where they live and have permission to live there [04:54:36] nice [04:54:48] In my part of the UK its very hard to do [04:55:01] lots of people everywhere [04:55:02] where do you live? [04:55:05] ah... [04:55:17] South East UK [04:55:29] I move about a lot :) [04:56:03] hehe ok [04:56:13] have to move before the state gets you? ;-) [04:56:42] because the state makes me sometimes [04:56:51] why? [04:57:16] because I dont have a legal right to be there [04:57:27] 'legal' that should be [04:57:38] squatting around? [04:57:58] some times [04:58:06] ok [04:58:11] I live in a truck so I can be anywhere [04:58:17] ah ok, I see. [04:58:46] sometimes I stay on disused land or land that belongs to local authorities [04:59:27] ...they should have provided more places for people to stop legally. But they never did [04:59:40] here some people build wagons and live on friendly folks land. don't have to move around. but this village is a bit different. [04:59:50] ? [05:00:13] ? ? [05:00:22] ? ? ? :P [05:00:29] different??? [05:00:34] hehe, wondering what the question.. ah.. [05:01:09] for the last year and a half I mainly stay on some land that belongs to a friend [05:01:19] more alternative folks, anarchist, ecological people etc.. [05:01:37] so it's easier to find friendly folks to stay at. [05:01:46] ah [05:02:23] and if you need to move, it can easier be solved, you don't have to move out of the village [05:02:24] how big my partition for linux?? [05:02:48] I would say about 20gb. but it depends on how much you install. [05:03:02] in the long run. but you can always resize later etc. [05:03:25] and some swap (virtual memory).. not sure how much since you already have 3gb, but a gig or two. [05:04:04] it can also be good to have a separate /home partiton. where you save all your personal files. if you need or want to reinstall, then it's easier to just keep it. [05:04:17] if you have a very small disc.. I would ofcourse trim it down. [05:04:39] I have 15gb for my partition, and got 2.5gb free. [05:04:41] 160gb [05:04:57] 100gb for doze [05:05:00] I have tons of shit installed, and if I would need more space I can always uninstall some packages. [05:05:03] doze? [05:05:08] ah win [05:05:11] 20gb for mint? [05:05:13] that's alot. [05:05:24] I think it needs it???? [05:05:50] win7? needing 100gib? [05:06:23] oh sorry... 20gb for mint should be ok. [05:06:32] no I get ya [05:06:48] but i'm not sure how much mint actually uses, but I don't think it can be that much. [05:07:11] maybe it will eat up 6-10gb after install. [05:07:15] how much for 7? [05:07:46] depends on what version. but.. 30-40gb something.. can check on wp. [05:08:12] enterprise wp? [05:08:19] ok minimum for 32bit 16gb [05:08:27] enterprise version 32 [05:08:38] wp? [05:08:42] then minimum 16gb [05:08:55] wikipedia [05:09:00] aha [05:09:31] I gonna stick on photoshop and indesign coz I need to access such files...... [05:09:42] you have to think something out yourselv. i dunno how much space windows apps takes etc. [05:09:53] yeah cool thanks tho [05:10:09] but free applications are usually much less bloated and needs less space. [05:10:17] I know [05:10:35] oh.. soon spring and time for spring cleaning my system hehe [05:10:46] gonna start using gimp again [05:10:58] <3 never reinstalling a system and letting it evolve with you [05:11:03] nice :-) [05:13:10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mint#System_requirements [05:13:11] URL Title: Linux Mint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [05:13:34] recommended 10gb, but I would go for 15-20 anyways. [05:13:42] OK [05:14:00] was reading something earlier on the X60 about partitioning [05:14:24] ... but now I'm booting from the 7 disk its gone.... [05:14:36] ... was talking about partitions for dual boot [05:14:55] bit confusing but looked like they knew their shit [05:15:30] ok, some specific issue for the x60? [05:15:49] no just generic [05:15:57] usually when you install gnu/linux it handles everything, installs the bootloader grub and detect windows and sets it all up for you. [05:16:02] something about only being able to have 4 partitions [05:16:14] yeah, it's a limitation on the intel partition table [05:16:35] 1 for doz, 1 for linux, 1 for shared data files, 1 is / [05:16:43] you could only had 4 partitions, so they hade to solve it by deviding one partition later into more. [05:16:44] I think ??? [05:16:57] but you can only boot from a "real" partition. [05:17:55] it was there that they said 100gb for doz 7 or whatever the real nasty one before was called... [05:18:05] 1 for doz, 1 for swap, 1 for linux /, one for shared/data, and maybe one for /home if you want. [05:18:22] wots swap? [05:18:27] virtual memory [05:18:28] remember that mentioned [05:18:45] virual memory for linux I guess [05:18:58] it's used when you run low on memory, and also for speeding some things up. [05:18:59] yes [05:19:22] it was saying which partition you wanted where [05:19:50] usually swap in the beginning of the drive, so it will get searched quicker. [05:20:21] I guess I'm not gonna need this OEM partion on disk now.... will just be recovery to XP ?? [05:20:29] not sure how much different it makes on todays drives thou. [05:20:36] yeah. [05:20:51] f that if you have win 7 install cd if you need it [05:21:53] no optical drive on this [05:22:00] ah [05:22:04] but I got external optical [05:22:06] how do you install win 7? [05:22:09] ok [05:22:20] but dont have it with me most ogf the time [05:22:25] ogf = of [05:22:44] forgot about that... even thou I have an X myself ;-) [05:22:48] a* [05:22:52] an* [05:23:35] how big swap [05:23:54] before it was always recommended, same amount as your ram. but 3gb seems a bit much... [05:23:58] since you have 3gb ram [05:24:08] so 1-2gb I would think is enough. [05:24:12] can always add more later if needed. [05:25:22] you could also try to just let the installation make it automatically and you can se what it chooses, if you don't like it you can then go to manual partitioning. [05:26:13] then 20 for mint then say 80 for doz then the rest for shared data?? [05:26:18] whats /home?? [05:26:51] it's where all home folders are kept, you personal data and settings. [05:27:14] but that can be a sub partition?? [05:27:19] / is root, it's the path divider. (not sure how much you now...) [05:27:22] yeah [05:27:56] OK I get you. I'm a bit rusty did start off using dos b4 windows [05:29:18] you don't have to create a specific partition for home, but it's nice if you want to do a reinstall or something then you can leave it intact with all your files and settings. [05:29:54] shared data partition I guess??? [05:30:03] shared data can be the rest... [05:30:11] but 60gb for win? that's alot... but maybe you need it. [05:30:17] I mean 80gb [05:30:30] but maybe ps and indesign eats alot. [05:30:44] big apps I'm not sure how much I need but I can shrink it later [05:30:52] yeah true. [05:33:07] the shared data partition I guess would be best if it's ntfs. but only because I donat really know. the ntfs support under linux is good. but there is support for ext4 under windows. ext4 is the most commonly used filesystem under linux. [05:33:14] don't* [05:33:15] 7 partition tool just created a 100 mb "system reserved" partition when I created the second partition.... [05:33:27] yeah.. dunno what that's for. hehe [05:33:36] said something about it might need it [05:33:42] could be fore recovery. [05:34:02] that will have to be one of my 4?? [05:34:24] could be. not sure how the win installer does it. [05:34:38] but it's no problem since you only need one bootable partition for linux. [05:35:51] so I got 2gb for root, 100mb system reserved, 20gb mint and 127gb unallocated [05:36:08] 2gb swap I guess [05:36:08] allocate 80gb of that for 7 [05:36:20] yeah swap sorry [05:36:55] then the last bit left I can later create another partition and make shared data partition?? [05:36:57] then you have bout 47gb left for shared data and/or home. [07:39:38] *** Quits: Darren_Dazinism (Darren@RBOSE-hcdkoo.as13285.net) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [08:45:12] *** Joins: anne (anne@RBOSE-pk85m6.dynamic.chello.pl) [09:33:56] http://activistteacher.blogspot.com/2011/06/why-is-freedom-so-difficult-to.html [09:33:58] URL Title: Activist Teacher: Why is "freedom" so difficult to understand? 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Connection established [12:53:16] LOL [12:53:58] kman: maybe try ask your sysadmins about that ip issue :) [12:56:16] just connect your ip to a dns-name, through dyndns or something [12:56:18] that will work [13:07:51] kalken, tried it, didnt work. [13:10:17] ah, maybe the dont do reverse lookups btw :) [13:10:46] I dont really remember actually.. [13:11:55] you can do reverse lookups with dig -x [13:14:52] kalken: that command should be run before ssh request? [13:15:07] Yeah, how do i use that? [13:22:07] !poke kalken [13:22:08] ACTION pokes kalken in #RBOSE a bit with a Creative Commons Movie DVD [13:26:29] He's keeping secrets on us! [13:26:45] seeeecretsssssss..... [13:33:45] dig is to get info on different things. If you are able to get response with that from your ip, sshserver at the other end will too :) [13:34:02] its just a stand alone command [13:35:26] Ah ok. Cool! [13:35:28] Nice tool. 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[20:21:51] China, PLEASE start using your arsenal, we need to get rid of USA ... NOW! [20:22:02] lol [20:22:06] i heard :( [20:22:27] I would gladly do time for killing any of those scumbags [20:22:35] rather all of them. [20:22:45] why kill? Let them work LOL [20:22:59] So tired of all this capitalist-religion bullshit. [20:23:11] They are a waste of space. [20:23:30] they can make any law they want. I don't care [20:23:31] Caly: we need better ideas (or fight ideas if word fight must be used) but not fight people [20:24:04] Some people are to destructive to be allowed to exist. [20:24:32] you know 6-10% of all humans are medically psycopaths, right? [20:24:48] we can't hur their feelings, they have none. [20:24:48] nobody should be in position to "allow" or "disallow" [20:24:50] lukas: Error: "should" is not a valid command. [20:24:59] haha [20:25:17] I know that, but the rule has a limit. [20:26:13] The planet is finite, we're just in denial if we think we can afford to have people around that consumes and wastes thousands of times as much resources as other people. [20:26:34] They are denying us our rite to life, healt, freedom, security, communication, food.. [20:26:54] Caly: i'm not sure if total amount of psychopaths exceeds 1%, but i did not see/read much about it except one video [20:27:31] oh, it does. [20:27:52] and they are ingerently very good att aquiering money and power [20:27:58] *inherently [20:28:36] If you doubt for a second that Obama or Ben Bernanke or Henry Kissinger is sane, you're not. [20:28:53] i feel the anger often when i see the mess around, but i think we need more creation, we did not yet produce better solutions or rich with them big enough amount of people to stop these madness [20:29:24] sure. that's true ofc. [20:29:26] this* [20:30:06] and I'm all fore making that happen, but we have to revert the damage being done TODAY, these thugs HAVE to be stopped [20:30:50] I'm a pacifist by all means, but i don't value every human equal, I just don't. [20:31:11] the systems make people thing certain ways, we need to focus on the causes, not the people in power (victims) [20:31:14] Caly most people just copy other. Right now psychopats control and are at TOP position. So people just try to copy it. Because most people don't know any other way to get "better life"="more $" lol [20:31:49] they might have been equals at birth, but they are so un-fixable, they need to get "fixed" instead. [20:32:18] sure, as i said, decentralisation of power, information, production, the WORKS, but there is not enough time any more. [20:32:58] They're shutting the net down because they know that if we can communicate freely, we will make technology to surcumvent them. [20:33:09] Caly ACTA and other stupid laws are made because THEY are afraid. I only laugh at ACTA and other BS [20:33:16] personally i think we need start to massignore them, make them outdated, and they help us = they make themselves look insane already [20:33:21] like decentraliced root DNS (What the hell is taing them so long?) [20:34:08] lukas: sure, but then you have to convince the majorty of the population to stop consuming anything they produce, and to stop paying taxes and work for others. [20:34:20] yes we need to build a new communication system. NO providers no central system [20:34:25] That's insanely difficult, at best. [20:34:34] right. [20:34:58] the sycopaths are just soooo much more efficient [20:35:09] Caly i prefer not to convince majority but Show them how it COULD be :) [20:35:23] we're not fast enough! Need to buy mesh nodes NOW! [20:35:43] Evil: sure, but FOX news wont air your information [20:36:18]