[00:00:44] I've just read that on 1.01.2012 fallen freedom in America (NDAA). Now every citizen can be arrested, jailed, tortured,even killed without trial. [00:01:44] I need to figure out how to not be citizien ;) [00:01:57] *** Joins: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-1a724n.bredband.comhem.se) [00:02:43] stay far away from usa lol [00:04:30] <[777]> Hi guys [00:06:51] anne: run before you can't ;-) [00:08:51] *** Quits: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-1a724n.bredband.comhem.se) (Quit: Lämnar) [00:14:31] yes, its possible in my country renounce citizenship on request. Is also the possibility of being non-state person. Finish pay taxes, stop support the troops and war. maybe its not bad idea... [00:16:59] yes [00:17:12] better feed yourself than feed them and then they feed you with shit hehe [00:17:44] have to go [00:29:10] scrdcow: i can make compost from sheet ;) and then feed myself haha [00:30:06] *shit haha [00:36:34] * anne is thinking if one can grow pot one is not a citizien [00:36:57] o_0 [00:41:51] "The legal situation for stateless is very unfavorable because in the absence of citizenship does not use protection and care of the State" [00:41:58] lol [00:46:21] "has no political rights, may be expelled from the country, it is often treated as a foreigner" [00:46:23] <[777]> 0_o [00:59:15] *** Joins: anne_ (anne@RBOSE-t8bg04.play-internet.pl) [01:04:17] *** Quits: anne (anne@RBOSE-1nf07o.play-internet.pl) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [01:15:15] ,weather Katowice [01:15:16] Weather for Katowice, Silesian Voivodeship on 1970-01-01 00:00UTC 2[Current:] -25â„ƒ, Icy, Wind: E at 3 km/h, Humidity: 84% 2[Forecast:] Thu: Mostly Sunny ( -10â„ƒ | -25â„ƒ ), Fri: Clear ( -14â„ƒ | -26â„ƒ ), Sat: Partly Sunny ( -12â„ƒ | -21â„ƒ ), Sun: Partly Sunny ( -13â„ƒ | -20â„ƒ ) [01:15:32] fantastic.... [01:17:16] ,weather San JosÃ© [01:17:17] Weather for San Jose, CA on 2012-02-02 22:53UTC 2[Current:] 20â„ƒ, Cloudy, Wind: NW at 16 km/h, Humidity: 21% 2[Forecast:] Thu: Clear ( 18â„ƒ | 3â„ƒ ), Fri: Clear ( 16â„ƒ | 5â„ƒ ), Sat: Clear ( 18â„ƒ | 6â„ƒ ), Sun: Partly Sunny ( 17â„ƒ | 7â„ƒ ) [01:18:09] ,weather Costa Rica, San Jose [01:18:10] Weather for San Jose, San Jose on 2012-02-02 23:00UTC 2[Current:] 22â„ƒ, Mostly Cloudy, Wind: E at 23 km/h, Humidity: 60% 2[Forecast:] Thu: Mostly Sunny ( 25â„ƒ | 14â„ƒ ), Fri: Mostly Sunny ( 27â„ƒ | 14â„ƒ ), Sat: Chance of Storm ( 27â„ƒ | 15â„ƒ ), Sun: Chance of Storm ( 26â„ƒ | 17â„ƒ ) [01:29:14] *** Quits: Cyclo (cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) (Connection closed) [01:38:26] http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/01/02/president-obama-signed-the-national-defense-authorization-act-now-what/ [01:38:27] URL Title: President Obama Signed the National Defense Authorization Act - Now What? - Forbes [01:39:00] http://www.unelected.org/goodbye-bill-of-rights-obama-signs-ndaa [01:39:01] URL Title: Goodbye Bill of Rights, Obama Signs NDAA | Unelected.org [01:45:54] back [01:47:04] anne_: free man on the land people might have more info on stuff like that :-) [01:48:13] â€œThe legislation could also give future presidents the authority to throw American citizens into prison for life without charges or a trial,â€ said Sen. Bernie Sanders in a statement. [01:49:46] <[777]> :( [01:50:42] one note on "people not used to fix their own problem" I think the problem their is that people don't know how stuff works. they now only their field, nothing else. and even in their field I think most people are just learning by others telling them what to do rather than how things work. [01:50:56] this is obvious of course. [01:51:31] "In part the bill expands those powers, codifying the use of indefinite detention of foreign nationals and possibly US citizens arrested abroad and at home." [01:51:48] but still. if we would focus on learning people how stuff works, they can later help themselves etc. and that is what we do, but not always. it can be done more. [01:52:02] you should only need to be gnu/linux support once or maybe twice for any single issue. [01:52:52] sometimes atleast I just help, don't try to teach, and then the problem is fixed. [01:53:01] and they have to come back. [01:53:12] and I'm not getting payed and don't want that. [01:54:00] i know i'm stating the obvious. but somehow still wanted to say it. [01:54:17] because it can be done every single time in our daily lifes. [01:55:00] that will also more and more defeat the need of institutionalised schooling [01:55:15] if every act also comes with education. [01:55:58] and that education will lead people into getting hand of knowledge themselves when you show the direction [01:56:02] "All these things should make Americans â€“ and not just Americans â€“ very nervous about the preservation of their civil liberties." [01:58:40] "Technology is changing the way institutions, governments, and individuals interact. The symmetry of power is shifting and governments and non-state actors alike are scrambling to keep up. Sometimes this creates real security threats." [02:02:07] "And we can use technology, social media, and other tools at our disposal to act outside of politics altogether to work to create alternate institutions and communities." [02:02:53] [777]: ^ [02:05:04] scrdcow: im gnu/linux support - im cooking for developers for free ;) [02:12:38] * i cook (usually) [02:22:04] http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/286925/20120124/acta-sopa-reasons-scarier-threat-internet-freedom.htm?cid=2 [02:22:06] URL Title: ACTA vs. SOPA: Five Reasons ACTA is Scarier Threat to Internet Freedom - International Business Times [02:23:15] anne_: nice. where do you cook? [02:23:38] anne_: but I meant more support as in when your helping someone with gnu/linux problems. but it goes for cooking aswell ofcourse. [02:24:31] support connected to knowledge [02:26:34] scrdcow: sometimes in freelab :D [02:27:23] anne_: where is that? [02:28:47] scrdcow: here http://freelab.rbose.org/doc/view/Introduction [02:29:56] http://freelab.rbose.org/doc/view/Space [02:29:57] URL Title: Space - FreeLAB [02:32:10] but where is it? [02:33:48] now, in poland [02:35:14] ok [02:35:40] anne_: many people active? [02:35:55] or just you and lukas right now? (I guess lukas is part of it) [02:36:26] I don't hang out on mumble etc since I don't like voice-chat. so maybe I miss out on thigs discussed there. [02:37:10] "located far enough from city to ensure minimal pollution" just wondering. how will the distance reduce pollution? [02:37:25] Viper is involved too [02:37:37] ah ok. he also lives there? [02:38:53] "south and north hills" nice for growing and housebuilding :-) [02:39:35] and you could collect water from the hill, nice. [02:42:14] anne_: so the place has been tilled before? (maybe not correct word) It's been used for growing food before? [02:42:53] yes [02:44:25] nice, saves alot of time/work. [02:44:32] "Internet: a problem to access" so what connection do you have now? [02:44:57] did viper live there aswell? [02:45:12] now, i have better ;) [02:45:44] mobile broadband, adsl... or? [02:46:04] you need to ask him, now i need to go :) [02:46:13] *** Quits: anne_ (anne@RBOSE-t8bg04.play-internet.pl) (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [02:46:28] hehe ok. [03:14:51] *** Joins: printemps (qWEBirc@RBOSE-t8bg04.play-internet.pl) [03:46:25] *** Joins: Darren_Dazinism (Darren@RBOSE-7pm3oi.as13285.net) [03:46:46] Hello :) [03:46:56] scrdcow ?? [04:19:45] Hi [04:19:46] Darren_Dazinism: [04:20:07] morning [04:20:11] moring [04:20:19] early wakening? [04:20:37] Darren_Dazinism: did you manage to get the operating systems installed? [04:20:45] no sleep.... I leave for airport in an hour... [04:20:49] yes :) [04:21:01] was after some more advice.... [04:21:30] if you have some time? [04:22:07] partitions.... no doubt I can find answer on forums etc. if you busy... [04:23:13] http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/biomedical/ethics/goodbye-roll-call-hello-rfids [04:23:14] URL Title: Goodbye Roll Call, Hello RFIDs - IEEE Spectrum [04:23:37] *** Quits: printemps (qWEBirc@RBOSE-t8bg04.play-internet.pl) (Quit: Page closed) [04:25:07] Darren_Dazinism: ah, ok. [04:26:44] Darren_Dazinism: sorry i don't really follow. you managed to get it installed and all is fine? or you need some more advice? [04:28:10] scrdcow yeah just got it installed, was wondering about /home and/or partition for sharing with windows [04:29:11] ah ok [04:29:26] just ask [04:30:45] you could either just mount the windows partition and the linux one under each os. or have the rest of the drive being a media/data-storage and just mount that. [04:31:15] currently got 4 partitions - swap, win7, small partition windows created and / for mint [04:31:27] ok [04:31:40] HOw do I make more??? [04:31:57] what do you want? [04:32:26] data share would be good [04:32:31] myself i usually make the partition for the system that I need. then I make a big one of the rest and use that for random storage, media etc. [04:32:42] partitions* [04:32:44] + also /home [04:33:11] ok. [04:33:21] you had about 47gb left. [04:33:42] home can be.. as big as you need.. i mean. be default alot of stuff will be saved there, and you have your desktop there. [04:33:49] by* [04:34:05] yeah 49 I think. SOme were made a bit smaller [04:34:08] i tend to have to small home-partitions. but all the stuff i download etc I save somewhere else [04:34:12] ok :-) [04:34:23] say 10gb home and 40gb shared partition? [04:34:31] yeah how??? [04:34:32] and the shared could be ntfs. [04:34:36] under mint [04:34:37] you can do it with gparted. [04:35:02] easy?? [04:35:17] <[777]> Yes [04:35:20] yes [04:35:46] what file system do I make /home ? [04:35:54] but then you need to copy everything from your already created /home to the new one and also add it so it will mount during bootup. [04:35:57] ext4 [04:36:35] there will be /home under the mint / partition? [04:36:46] yes [04:37:05] the root partition you made before will already hold a home-catalog. [04:37:06] how do I add to mount during boot? in gparted? [04:37:10] easy? [04:37:23] no. you do it by editing a file, /etc/fstab. [04:37:42] which is in the mint partition? [04:37:52] maybe there are newer easier ways to do it, but it's not hard anyways. [04:37:54] yes [04:38:05] in etc all systew wide configuration are stored. [04:38:09] system* [04:38:16] brb, getting water [04:38:33] windows has this too yes? think I was playing earlier under system32?? [04:39:01] not sure how windows does it. [04:39:20] <[777]> No windows just has viruses [04:39:28] i've never had windows on my own computers. [04:39:29] [777] :) [04:39:30] ;-) [04:39:52] <[777]> !windows [04:39:53] I can not understand why people do run such as proprietary bullshit, sorry. Do you know about FOSS (Free and Open Source Software)? Check: http://rbose.org/wiki/FOSS and/or type: /join #FOSS [04:40:07] <[777]> Hehe [04:40:39] luckly it's late hours. else the channel would be on fire ;-) [04:40:59] (skulks) [04:41:32] what IRC client is good to use? [04:41:39] Darren_Dazinism: tell me when you made the partitions... [04:41:52] irssi and weechat are popular, also xchat, gui-one. [04:43:01] downloading gparted now [04:43:18] through software center? [04:43:27] na [04:43:35] apt? [04:43:35] <[777]> Konversation & kvirc are ok too [04:43:57] <[777]> I have a irc ppa [04:43:59] but are for kde, mint runs gnome as default [04:44:17] Darren_Dazinism: you don't need to search the web and download apps. [04:44:33] <[777]> !Google dns irc ppa [04:44:36] 834,000 results [04:44:54] <[777]> Lol [04:45:00] Darren_Dazinism: linux distros have package systems, you just install by a single command, or by running a package manager. ex software center [04:45:19] <[777]> ,g dns irc ppa [04:45:20] [777]: IRC : DNS: ; The Launchpad build farm: ; To Do List After installing Ubuntu 11.10 aka Oneiric Ocelot |: ; Ubuntu Server Guide: ; UbuntuLTSP - Community Ubuntu Documentation: (1 more message) [04:45:29] scrdcow yeah just started that download was gonna take 30mins [04:45:41] oh. slow connection ;-) [04:45:43] hehe [04:45:47] or maybe alot to update [04:46:53] Darren_Dazinism: tell me when your finnished with the partitions and need further help. if you have time before the flight that is. [04:47:14] brb [04:52:26] scrdcow [04:52:57] [777] so got gparted open got 4 partitions + unallocated space [04:53:30] need to create extended partition, I guess [04:54:34] make it from which partition? swap / win7 / win system reserved or mint partition??? [04:57:00] yes [04:57:22] the unallocated space [04:58:11] I see.. uhm.. the last partition I guess. [04:58:30] the last is win7 [04:58:47] you just choose new partition from the partition menu and choose the size [04:58:53] just checked [04:59:25] nothing is saved until you hit apply [04:59:36] wont let me coz I got 4 [04:59:44] oh ok. [04:59:47] then I guess the last one [05:00:03] win 7 is the last [05:00:23] is that a problem .... :D [05:00:46] just trying to figure out. [05:01:13] if you right click the allocated space, you can't choose "new"? [05:01:24] unallocated space* [05:01:36] same says no coz I got 4 [05:01:48] weird, I could actually. [05:01:57] oh.. no.. [05:02:19] do you have any extended partitions? [05:02:25] no [05:02:35] well dont think so [05:03:20] well got a ext4 (20gb for mint) is that extended? [05:04:10] i'm not used to gparted. [05:04:54] I guess that if you don't have any extended at all, it can be problematic. [05:05:29] is ext4 extended? (the ext) [05:05:35] but even thou I do have an extended partition. doesn't seem I can make a new partition inside that. [05:05:45] it has nothing to do with the filesystem (ext4, ntfs etc). [05:06:42] OK can I play with the swap partition? others all kind of being used..... [05:07:10] there are three types of partition types, primary, logical and extended. [05:07:30] you can create many logical partitions within an extended one. [05:08:00] I guess, maybe. but it's at the beginning of the drive right? and the unallocated is at the end. [05:08:15] you could perhaps move all the others down [05:08:24] all the data... [05:09:36] but I dunno howe to creaty extra logical partitions inside an extended one with gparted. since I don't seem to be able to do it. [05:10:01] i'm used to using fdisk or some other partition mananger in the command line. [05:11:49] ah.. [05:12:07] maybe if you remove the swap, and create a new partition after that, at the end that is extended [05:12:26] the whole lot [05:12:34] and then you divide it up. [05:13:14] you will either loose those 2gb at the beginning or you could perhaps make the first partition bigger or just move them all up. but if it has to move data, it will take time. [05:14:25] I played around some and that seems to be the way to go. [05:14:42] remove the swap, make one big extended of the rest, then divide that. [05:17:31] shit run out of time. tried that but got error.... will have to try more later. cheers D [05:21:10] sure [05:21:21] I made it work for me atleast. I could do it. [05:21:23] peace [05:21:27] bye [05:26:47] bye [05:26:50] :) [05:27:42] *** Quits: Darren_Dazinism (Darren@RBOSE-7pm3oi.as13285.net) (Quit: Leaving) [06:42:36] "For loo roll I'd relieve the local newsagents of its papers (I once wiped my arse with a story about myself)" hehe [07:17:55] *** Quits: [777] (wirelessirc@RBOSE-81i.t3q.250.109.IP) (Quit: L8erz) [07:36:44] *** Joins: ZyaX (9jti8d8@RBOSE-5lntnm.bredband.comhem.se) [07:37:19] *** Joins: kman (kman@RBOSE-1vjua3.student.uu.se) [08:15:29] * kman and the danger of having "sudo shudown now" in terminal log [08:38:12] *** Quits: ZyaX (9jti8d8@RBOSE-5lntnm.bredband.comhem.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [09:04:12] kman: hum? [09:04:38] kman: blockar din isp all ssh trafik? [09:04:51] kman: eller aer det bara den porten? [09:05:06] kman: eller bara mot vissa naet? [09:05:14] Inte all. Bara den där. Men det har att göra med reverse lookup, som jag inte har via min ISP. [09:05:26] Alla ssh tunnlar kräver inte att man måste ha reverse lookup. [09:06:07] hur har dns naagot med det att goera? [09:06:30] aer det deras sshd som aer confad saa att kraeva det? [09:07:13] saa det hade inget med din isp egentligen att goera? [09:08:23] Jo det har det. Jag måste prata med comhem om det bara. [09:08:33] Men nu är jag i uppsala, så det är lugnt ^^ [09:08:45] uppsala! [09:12:28] kman: jo men jag menar, det om det aer de som har confat sin sshd att inte tillaata andra aen de som har reverse, saa aer det reverse som var grejen. inte naagot specifikt med din isp som saa, annat aen att du inte ha reverse bara. [09:13:02] kman: jag trodde ju det var att den blockade viss trafik eller saa. [09:15:22] Nope! All in the reverse :3 [09:55:05] *** Joins: dutschit (qwebirc@RBOSE-nhmqg4.dip.t-dialin.net) [10:05:25] http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-googles-new-privacy-p [10:05:27] URL Title: How Google's New Privacy Policy Could Affect You: Scientific American [10:11:40] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [10:11:42] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Calyp [10:12:00] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-h3pini.cust.telenor.se) [10:15:20] *** Quits: dutschit (qwebirc@RBOSE-nhmqg4.dip.t-dialin.net) (Quit: Page closed) [10:17:50] *** Joins: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-1a724n.bredband.comhem.se) [10:45:49] *** Joins: Cyclo (cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) [11:02:04] hi Caly, not sure if you have read this http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/01/02/president-obama-signed-the-national-defense-authorization-act-now-what/ ... [11:02:05] URL Title: President Obama Signed the National Defense Authorization Act - Now What? - Forbes [11:58:53] *** Quits: iderik (idk@RBOSE-dv9gss.tbcn.telia.com) (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5) [12:25:40] *** Joins: iderik (idk@RBOSE-dv9gss.tbcn.telia.com) [12:54:06] lukas: =( [12:54:16] yeah :(((( [12:56:46] during all these years, they created the so called "legal" way to get all the power and focus it in hands of few while they can say "this is what all citizens agreed to, so follow the rules" [13:23:04] *** Joins: anne (anne@RBOSE-majeg4.play-internet.pl) [13:23:34] *** anne is now known as Guest14669 [13:24:10] *** Quits: Guest14669 (anne@RBOSE-majeg4.play-internet.pl) (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [13:24:53] *** Joins: ane (qWEBirc@RBOSE-majeg4.play-internet.pl) [14:13:43] kman: hi, i saw you that you executed "sudo shutdown" by misstake because of your shell's history, so I made a script to prevent it: http://pastebin.com/czZsEWNb [14:13:44] URL Title: [Bash] # Power management alias "sudo halt"="prompt && sudo halt" # Prompt bef - Pastebin.com [14:14:08] this will only work if you're using Z Shell, so put it in ~/.zshrc file [14:14:39] wth? Haha [14:14:40] Nice! [14:14:42] Thanks ^^ [14:15:00] i havnt tested in on those commands, maybe i should :P [14:15:04] letme try [14:19:03] "prompt && ls" works great when executed directly in terminal but testing: alias "sudo software-center"="prompt && sudo software-center" does not work [14:19:19] but let give shutdown a try now ^^ [14:21:21] *** Quits: iderik (idk@RBOSE-dv9gss.tbcn.telia.com) (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5) [14:22:10] *** Joins: free (qwebirc@RBOSE-nhmqg4.dip.t-dialin.net) [14:23:22] *** Joins: iderik (idk@RBOSE-dv9gss.tbcn.telia.com) [14:23:53] *** Quits: free (qwebirc@RBOSE-nhmqg4.dip.t-dialin.net) (Quit: Page closed) [14:23:55] kman: alias for "shutdown" works but not "sudo shutdown". ill take a look after dinner :) [14:25:15] Haha [15:03:29] alias software-center="gksudo software-center" might work :D [15:04:04] gksudo is the graphical version of sudo for gnome... [15:08:00] iderik, sorry for not being too responsive here.. Working on a report that needs to go in today [15:39:58] kalken: this do also work: alias software-center="sudo software-center" [15:40:14] the problem is that alias cant handle sudo commands [15:40:33] what do you mean "alias cant handle"? [15:40:45] if the command works, then the alias will work [15:41:04] sudo is just a way to run that command as root [15:41:43] someone told me "alias are expanded on command words only" [15:41:45] you can try this: [15:42:14] alias "sudo software-center"="echo 'not working!'" [15:42:38] what are you trying to do? [15:42:47] did you see my pastebin up there? [15:43:51] kman said he accidently ran a "sudo shutdown" because it was in the history of the shell. when you scroll up and see what commands you previously executed [15:43:58] so i wanted to make a script to prevent such accidents [15:44:06] ok :) [15:44:23] the script works fine but not when there is a sudo [15:44:44] thats because the script is not running as root [15:45:33] hmm let me think... [15:45:50] in that pastebin i defined the commands i want to be prompted with alias, but since alias cant handle sudo I tried to make a function called sudo() and define my "dangerous" commands there by checking the argument on sudo() [15:45:58] but that put me in to a infitite loop :P [15:46:44] i dont understand what you are saying, that aliaas cant handle sudo [15:47:00] alias is just another way of saying if i type these letters, do that [15:47:03] its all that it does [15:47:20] this one worked great: alias shutdown="prompt && sudo shutdown" and it first prompted and then asked for password, but how often do you do that? i rather run that command with sudo directly [15:48:10] kalken: ya, i feel you. i dont really understand what is going on backstage there with sudo. it was my best explaination :) [15:48:24] then your problem is with shutdown, not sudo shutdown :D [15:48:41] alias shutdown="prompt && shutdown" :) [15:49:00] what if i accidently type: sudo shutdown [15:49:08] ahhh! [15:49:15] why dont you just learn not to shut down things you should not :D [15:49:18] i cant accidently type in password there :P [15:49:24] its easier :D [15:49:36] its not a good way to protect the admin from itself [15:49:36] :'[ [15:49:44] thats basically what windows is doing all the time [15:50:41] what you can do is to make a shutdown-command and put it in /usr/local/bin that asks for prompt [15:51:00] well, you said it there: alias shutdown="prompt && sudo shutdown" is working and should be used. its not like i will misstype two times (first sudo shutdown and then accidently typing in correct password) :) [15:51:04] and put your path to search in usr/local/bin for commands, before searching in ordinary bin [15:51:16] PATH shell variable that is [15:52:47] alias is good to in some ways, but it seems you want a custom shutdown-command so make one instead :D [15:55:28] its just to prevent if you're inlogged as root in a terminal and then accidently autocompletes "shutdown" or do *arrow up* and then *enter* [15:56:38] i do also got for example: alias rm="rm -I" [15:56:50] safety first :) its just one key press to get pass it [15:57:27] if you really want a program to bypass it, just do "rm -f", since that force option is the final call [15:59:53] i see what you mean, but still. If you press enter on something without knowing what you do, there is no way of protecting from everything that can go wrong [15:59:58] just dont do it :D [16:00:15] iderik: you can't set two commands/words as an alias. [16:00:30] (atleast not with bash) [16:00:33] after the first sudo rm -rf / you will know why :D [16:01:35] scrdcow: thats why one does a custom command and puts it in /usr/local/bin/ [16:02:15] kalken: have you managed to run that command? :P [16:02:40] no, i have never and will never use enter if i am not sure :D [16:02:49] kalken: depends on how you want to do it. was just stating why it failed before. [16:02:50] haha [16:03:05] ill block that command in zshrc now :) [16:04:13] scrdcow: but thats not true [16:04:15] alias hej='echo "hej" && echo "hopp"' [16:04:18] works perfectly [16:05:19] I have a touched-file named 0 owned by root with chmod 000 in all my folders that needs extra protection. have saved me once :-D [16:05:43] kalken: yes, but the alias can't be two commands/words. [16:06:03] kalken: for ex alias "sudo shutdown"=foo as it was before. [16:06:58] but maybe I said the other way around first. [16:08:21] i just dont see the point. then one have to protect oneself for every dangerous command. Like for example "poweroff" etc [16:08:29] its better to think before executing :D [16:08:38] it solves more problems [16:10:53] kalken: I have 0 to protect myself for typing error with *. for ex rm batm *, instead of rm batm*. [16:11:18] kalken: I did accidently remove my whole home one time by doing an rm -rf foo * by accident :-D [16:11:31] one day, kalken! one day! [16:11:41] kalken: that's why I have it. [16:12:24] kalken: ofcourse I do think, but when you type fast, it's hard to save yourself from mistakes. [16:13:11] and if your *.rc files for shell is in order, dont press just "up" but write beginning of an old command, and press shift-page up to get all variants :D [16:13:33] that will get you even more controll of not executing some random command [16:14:10] huh? shift-page up scrolls. [16:14:19] (usually) [16:14:31] maybe just page up then. To get variants of the input command [16:14:32] but you meant the built-in search in bash? [16:14:42] or zsh... or whatever [16:14:49] sudo [16:14:49] but you mean the search? [16:15:01] does nothing here. [16:15:16] should scroll through all commands beginning with sudo [16:15:35] hm. not here. should look it up. [16:15:59] I usualy do a history | grep foo and then !number, but that's just because of old habit. [16:16:17] since I haven't really programmed myself to use the search all the time :-) [16:16:47] kalken: but you did mean the search or what do you mean? how is it presented, like a double-tab? [16:16:59] i just read a clever solution, make a file named "-i" in important dirs [16:17:31] so "rm -rf *" actually becomes "rm -rf -i" [16:17:39] hehe [16:18:38] im glad that we started to talk about this, because ive been going crazy with "rm" lately [16:20:37] im going to make a function called "secdir" which creates {0..3} and -i [16:20:55] 0-3? [16:21:22] i am a very paranoid guy :) [16:22:01] as an old habit I also touch a "torskblock" on every new shell I get ;-) old thing from another irc-channel. [16:22:45] people usually asked each other after some time.. "have you touched your torskblock lately?" and people posted their ls -l of it. [16:23:09] then you need to touch it. [16:23:32] i dont get it [16:23:38] hehe, not much to get. [16:23:45] why do you need to touch it? [16:23:53] "create" a new torskblock? [16:23:57] probably just some latenite humour thing that went a meme [16:24:02] ok :) [16:24:21] iderik: when you touch it, you just touch the same file but the date changes. [16:24:45] iderik: if you touch something that doesn't exsist, it creates a zero byte file. [16:25:02] ah! [16:25:26] iderik: commonly used when you need a file to be somewhere because som scriptn/apps needs it. [16:25:29] what is the purpose of renewing the date? [16:25:37] oh [16:25:51] *** Joins: derAKTIVist (qwebirc@RBOSE-g4p260.adsl.alicedsl.de) [16:26:01] so the program looks after the newest file [16:26:06] iderik: iono, i haven't had that need. but also, could be with scripts checking for dates etc. you can also set a date when you touch it. [16:26:11] hi there [16:26:14] hi [16:27:03] iderik: if you change a file, but don't want it to be shown, you can touch it back to the date it was. [16:27:41] im only using that touch for a few aliases, like "mkpy" that makes a file and writes "#!/usr/bin/enc pyt.." and two newlines :) [16:28:03] to the file? [16:28:06] yes [16:28:20] why do you need to create it first and not just pipe it to a file directly? [16:28:27] easy to remember imo since "mkdir" already exists [16:28:57] scrdcow: ah, good idea [16:29:34] won't save much cycles. but it's fun with optimizations imo :-) [16:30:04] ye :) [16:30:32] this got me started.. want to learn more bash stuff again.. [16:30:33] btw, it was functions. is it possible to get arguments with aliases? like "blabla" > $1.py [16:30:46] dont you use zsh? [16:30:49] no... not like that... [16:31:02] "The characters /, $, `, and = and any of the shell metacharacters or quoting characters listed above may not appear in an alias name." [16:31:03] this one is so good: http://subsignal.org/doc/AliensBashTutorial.html [16:31:04] URL Title: Alien's Bash Tutorial by Billy Wideling [16:31:26] *** Joins: ZyaX (9jti8d8@RBOSE-5lntnm.bredband.comhem.se) [16:33:26] iderik: oh sorry. the name can't be those chars. [16:34:03] but what you set it to can. [16:34:27] <- tired as fuck [16:34:44] fuck printers [16:34:46] I should name mine Bob Marley [16:34:48] Because its always jammin' [16:34:50] ^^ [16:35:15] hehe [16:35:31] cat listens to bob marley - jamming [16:35:49] or maybe that only works in swedish [16:36:30] hehe [16:37:23] is it possible to train your brain to listen to and comprehend speech and read at the same time? [16:37:24] dont they move more than necessary? like it needs some heavy machinary soundeffects [16:38:12] kalken: i'm still wondering what thing you meant with page up/shift-page up thing, I wan't to know it. [16:38:25]