[02:37:52] http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/ [02:37:53] URL Title: The Global Intelligence Files - List of Releases [02:40:11] nice ?= [02:40:16] =P [02:42:22] http://pastebin.com/D7sR4zhT [02:42:23] URL Title: WikiLeaks begins publishing 5 million emails from STRATFOR - Pastebin.com [03:08:03] -nobody- nick change by Viper to Out`Of`Control on FREENODE [03:13:18] awesome Evil [03:20:56] https://wlfriends.org/ [03:20:57] URL Title: Welcome to FoWL: Friends of WikiLeaks! [03:21:28] "WikiLeaks is about to launch a distributed, encrypted "Facebook for revolutionaries" (https://wlfriends.org/ )." [03:21:29] URL Title: Welcome to FoWL: Friends of WikiLeaks! [03:23:06] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE.org) (Quit: Leaving) [03:23:08] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Quit: Leaving) [04:49:50] !hug all [04:49:50] ACTION expands her arms and hugs the whole #RBOSE :D [04:54:16] <3 [05:42:01] lukas: not sure if you have seen these: http://www.arduinobooks.com/category/free-arduino-pdfs/ [05:42:03] URL Title: Free Arduino PDFs | Arduino Books [05:42:34] thx DNS777 :) [05:42:54] yw :) [06:17:49] *** Joins: Explorer (Explorer@RBOSE-krc62v.catv.broadband.hu) [06:17:57] *** Quits: Explorer (Explorer@RBOSE-krc62v.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [07:14:50] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> Need a house? just download and print one! http://www.wikihouse.cc/ [07:14:51] URL Title: WikiHouse / Open Source Construction Set [07:38:13] *** Joins: Cyclo (Cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) [08:06:46] *** Quits: Cyclo (Cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) (Quit: Lämnar) [09:45:22] *** Joins: iamme111 (iamme@RBOSE-emt.u7r.16.41.IP) [09:53:25] *** Quits: iamme111 (iamme@RBOSE-emt.u7r.16.41.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [10:12:42] *** Joins: iamme111 (iamme@RBOSE-nit.stl.15.41.IP) [10:20:46] *** Quits: iamme111 (iamme@RBOSE-nit.stl.15.41.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [10:35:47] *** Joins: iamme111 (iamme@RBOSE-u3s.ib6.15.41.IP) [10:54:29] *** Quits: iamme111 (iamme@RBOSE-u3s.ib6.15.41.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [10:54:46] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [10:54:47] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Changing host) [10:54:49] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [10:54:50] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Calyp [10:54:57] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-j05rt3.cust.telenor.se) [12:13:45] ,any elf-pavlik [12:13:46] lukas: elf-pavlik was last seen in #RBOSE 15 hours, 39 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: *** elf-pavlik has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [12:27:30] *** Quits: Hakufu (jonte@RBOSE-ocqjmp.bredband.comhem.se) (Connection closed) [12:27:36] *** Joins: Hakufu (jonte@RBOSE-ocqjmp.bredband.comhem.se) [12:34:07] i learned that some polish people are creating something what they call as well "FreeLAB" - they have very similar focus, yet the plan to ask for money - that might confuse a lot many people in future [12:35:28] ,quote search selling [12:35:28] lukas: 1 found: #220: "Prostitution is to sex, what buying and selling..." [12:35:40] ,quote get 220 [12:35:40] lukas: Quote #220: "Prostitution is to sex, what buying and selling is to giving and receiving. ~ Mark Boyle" (added by lukas at 10:08 AM, February 20, 2012) [12:36:44] maat, kalken, Fat64, Kebap23, Caly, Evil, DNS777: what do you guys think we should do? [12:38:12] we may change a name of that project, strange is they are connected to people who knew what we are cooking and i wonder if somebody wanted to mess with us [12:58:13] lukas: what are you doing and what is it gonna be called? [12:58:27] maybe these are your allies but they have misunderstood the concept [12:59:09] comotion: please look at 4 things: http://rbose.org/beta/project/freelab [12:59:10] URL Title: Documentation - FreeLAB [12:59:19] http://rbose.org/beta/project/freelab/view/Introduction [12:59:20] URL Title: Introduction - FreeLAB [12:59:38] http://rbose.org/beta/sandbox/landscape [12:59:39] URL Title: FreeLAB Landscape [12:59:59] http://rbose.org/beta/sandbox/about [13:00:00] URL Title: Since we started... [13:03:42] the weird thing is they created in cooperation with people which knew what we are doing, at least some of them, and have very similar focus, just want to sell participation in workshops and shit like that, at same time claim to operate as we do, but only claim because methods seems very different - like salary, etc. [13:06:11] comotion: i think you personally could get in touch with them because they seem to be interested in some kind of syndicalism or something, but it's not something for me and not something what we wanted to build with the project - we since very beginning are looking for creative, independent individuals ho want to help each other, and not people for sell [13:06:50] who* [13:35:33] lukas: hmm... my thought is you neeed both... ie a sharing spirit without involving money, and an "interface" to the rest of society. this interface naturally involves money [13:36:14] comotion: sure, but i don't need to mess this two things together [13:38:56] i don't need to sell what i love [13:39:59] i don't pay my wife for sex - doing so would destroy the relation as Lawrence Lessig pointed out in one of his wrtings [13:49:42] *** Joins: Explorer (Explorer@RBOSE-krc62v.catv.broadband.hu) [13:49:46] *** Quits: Explorer (Explorer@RBOSE-krc62v.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [17:00:19] *** Joins: Ades (Ades-@RBOSE-5hj.9kd.99.82.IP) [17:23:36] lukas: indeed indeed, but for this approach to work in the coop space there must be a clear line between "family" and "not family" - although these terms are imprecise. point being that both are present and accounted for [17:25:03] my thoughts on syndicalism are that it should be possible for us independent individuals help eachother without monetary exchange while at the same time providing value services for those parts of society that are still incapable of that independent thought [17:25:50] I mean, if someone doesn't comprehend the ideas it does not hurt to repeat the ideas to them [17:27:32] re: charging for workshops, this is a more difficult question. In an environment where information is free what's valuable is how that information is being transmitted. If you are trying to live an independent life but you lack the means {land, food, community} then you still need money to support yourself... [17:29:51] * lukas wonders why people tend to do only thing A in life and charge for it, and not do things A, B, C, ... and keep them not related [17:30:37] i wonder from where this "limit yourself" aka "specialization" comes from [17:34:13] comotion_: for me we all are a crew of the spaceship earth, i don't understand why to charge one group and not the other one, seems like the elites do like that - i don't accept this game really - one party makes some paper points, handles it to others, then it get back to first group and all scream "Hurray! we are rich!" LOL [17:36:49] and from what i see over and over is this argument repeated against volunteer collaboration: "other people are still players, so you need to play as well", and i wonder if this is really the case or just a believe that there is no other game or that you have to play anything at all [17:37:25] well, life is short and you can't do everything. I try to do many things but can only one thing good at a time [17:38:10] if one is happy with heaving a job it's great, but many people from what i see are not, they are forced into payed slavery and don't like that at all - so again, why to play? [17:38:13] I agree with you in principle lukas, but your approach requires all of society to agree and this is the problem; it might also turn out to be the solution soon [17:39:16] I mean, if I have land and food and money I will share it, but those with land and food and money do not share it. [17:39:49] comotion_: i don't know, we got land to share it [17:40:26] *** Joins: Cyclo (cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) [17:40:33] in fact, the more you have the less you share. my "syndicalism" approach tends towards empowering the individual by organizing into a group [17:40:50] comotion_: and why you think you need whole society? the group of people has to be big enough to help each other and provide support they need, that is the only necessary criteria i have found when it comes to number of people [17:41:08] you got land but it is not realistic to expect that everyone moves to that one place [17:41:37] also it is not realistic not to expect that the government of said land won't start butting in at some point [17:41:49] and for these things one needs the interface [17:43:17] at the very least, a literacy in the laws that govern government, so that one can operate in the public without being inflicted by the government actions [17:43:30] sure, i'm just one of about 6 700 000 000 individuals on this planet, it's certainly not realistic right now for others to move there, my point is that millions of peoples have these houses, they just NOT share [17:43:57] yup and I follow your point [17:44:27] our project is about changing not sharing into sharing [17:44:50] I will read up on it :D [17:45:35] the interface we need is brain, not $ [17:53:03] comotion_: consider please the gov interference at standard household - if a small family or an individual can deal with that, and interference in practice seems to happen extremely rarely, why you would need any special interface? [18:00:58] people through whole our history have heard that zero is unrealistic in itself, flying, diving, building skyscrapers, artificial islands, all unrealistic, the list is huge [18:01:44] talking glass boxes shining in darkness? insanity! [18:01:48] ;) [18:03:11] i go to work on something, hope what the others think about the main question, for me seems that some guys want to commercialize on idea we started to work on 9 months ago [18:03:22] hope to hear* [19:09:43] ,quote add “The Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.” ~ John Gilmore [19:09:43] lukas: The operation succeeded. Quote #222 added. [19:15:51] http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4155 [19:15:53] URL Title: An Open Letter to Chris Dodd [19:29:33] a really nice read [21:23:02] *** Joins: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-ac4hfh.bredband.comhem.se) [21:27:11] *** Quits: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-ac4hfh.bredband.comhem.se) (Quit: Lämnar) [21:30:48] *** Joins: bittt (qwebirc@RBOSE-07kf56.priv.bahnhof.se) [22:18:01] *** Joins: Explorer (Explorer@RBOSE-krc62v.catv.broadband.hu) [22:18:17] *** Quits: Explorer (Explorer@RBOSE-krc62v.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [22:20:50] *** Joins: Kebap (Max@RBOSE-62994h.adsl.alicedsl.de) [22:22:08] -nobody- Kebap has joined on FREENODE [22:25:27] -nobody- Kebap23 has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [22:28:03] *** Quits: Kebap23 (Max@RBOSE-ii1cc7.adsl.alicedsl.de) (Connection closed) [23:34:36] *** Quits: Cyclo (cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) (Connection closed) [23:55:49] *** Quits: bittt (qwebirc@RBOSE-07kf56.priv.bahnhof.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds)