[00:11:50] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoLGQYCk3xg [00:11:51] You4Tube 2[Title] ACTA in UK: 10 years in jail for a download? 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 0:03:51 2[Views] 1603 2[Rating] 4.82 2[Uploaded] 2012-03-03 2[Description] UK web surfers have caught a grim glimpse of the future with Internet users being threatened with 10 years in jail for "illegal downloading" after a prominent music file-sharing site was shut down shortly after Britain signed the notorious ACTA bill. It is the first ti [00:16:57] acta is some @#$%^&sh*t [00:18:21] hmmm for killiong you get less and for raping childeren even more less haha [00:18:32] *** Quits: Marc (qwebirc@RBOSE-51bh0u.static.versatel.nl) (Quit: Page closed) [01:16:30] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE.org) (Quit: Leaving) [01:16:31] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Quit: Leaving) [01:41:46] *** Quits: DZR (Darren@RBOSE-vvu.foo.143.190.IP) (Quit: Leaving) [01:58:23] *** Quits: Cyclo (cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [06:00:44] -nobody- nobody has joined on FREENODE [06:00:45] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +o nobody [06:10:54] *** Joins: Aumery (qwebirc@RBOSE-vtm7sn.in.comcast.net) [06:11:29] *** Quits: Aumery (qwebirc@RBOSE-vtm7sn.in.comcast.net) (Quit: Page closed) [08:20:56] *** APE is now known as Uncle_Fester [08:43:53] *** Quits: ZyaX (9jti8d8@RBOSE-5lntnm.bredband.comhem.se) (Quit: In Soviet Russia you reset peer's connection.) [09:00:22] *** Joins: ZyaX (9jti8d8@RBOSE-5lntnm.bredband.comhem.se) [10:13:53] *** Joins: lukas1 (lukas@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [12:07:17] *** Joins: Cyclo (cyclo@RBOSE-pdk.uv3.156.78.IP) [12:13:47] http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2012/03/raspberry-pi-activist-tool.ars [12:13:48] URL Title: Raspberry Pi, activist tool [12:21:42] *** Joins: dLrG (DeLrge@RBOSE-bpkesh.tbcn.telia.com) [12:28:40] *** Quits: DeLrge (DeLrge@RBOSE-bpkesh.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [12:29:56] thanks kalken, i wonder what this confusing title "open ended" has to do with the whole content of this article [12:30:38] the titles i see about raspberry pi reminds me "who killed the electric car" [12:31:05] the claim to promote but instead are negative in sound [12:39:08] http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/03/week-in-science-goes-to-ted.ars [12:39:09] URL Title: Week in Science goes to TED [12:39:23] "We've based our entire economy on the mistaken belief that a finite planet can provide infinite resources, according to sustainability expert Paul Gilding. To him, the only way we'll break out of this false belief is if we start to fear being wrong." [12:39:46] lol. I dont see why we need sustainability experts to tell us this. [12:52:25] fear is only needed for mass control, i think we need rather understandings and continue to do more with less [12:53:16] i don't see that the elites are doing that for sure [12:55:07] French president owns 120 cars, his diet costs 12 000 euro a day, polish one costs over 170 millions a year... and now think about all the presidents and politicians of every single city [13:18:24] and its extremely logical that it gets like this, because the whole society is driven forward by not being fair. Thats why we need to do business in the first place. (Because others always expect something else in return before helping out) [13:19:22] changing the way we do business, will change bad behaviours when doing business :D [14:17:08] http://www.ted.com/talks/paul_gilding_the_earth_is_full.html [14:17:10] Talk title: Paul Gilding: The Earth is full - Have we used up all our resources? Have we filled up all the livable space on Earth? Paul Gilding suggests we have, and the possibility of devastating consequences, in a talk that's equal parts terrifying and, oddly, hopeful. [14:19:36] <3 [14:30:46] this might actually be the best ted talk i have EVER seen [14:31:25] just because it zooms out and look at the actual cause of ALL later symptoms of problems. [14:31:31] sounds like another fear based thing from the description [14:32:20] either judge it by its description or look at it and make a judgement later :) [14:33:18] btw he talks about that we have nothing to fear, but the fear itself... [14:33:38] there is no space on this planet only if you assume that we ourselves are not capable of cleaning 4 dm³ of water a day, people who do are extremely rare, and the rest says "yeah, there is no space" [14:33:58] kalken: i would watch but cannot do that from here [14:34:07] ok :) [14:35:40] but i really hate quasi mass murder advocates who own fukking a lot like thousands of hectars, and claim there is no space, sure, for such as there might be a seriuous problem [14:36:39] but i know a lot of people who don't even own a 23m² apartment - so WTF [14:39:13] all cities on this planet take 3% of Earth's surface, in city all is available at switch, people don't care about water, nature, they instead demand because they pay - as long this mentality is there we will turn everything into waste [14:44:39] kalken: please do a simple math, divide all the surface of land alone (take away 15% of which is labeled as not habitatable) by number of adult people on this planet - and tell us what you get - you can assume according to statistical data, that over 99% percent of kids lives with parents, kids are defined as people up age of 14 years, and estimated that they are about 1/3 of humanity [14:47:27] a family in western culture is usually build by two adults and kids - how much land statistically there would available for a one family then? [14:48:56] lukas1: what i posted is not about that. Its about realizing that the assumtion that we can let our economy grow infinite on a finite planet is wrong, and how to deal with it [14:49:51] trying to get our companies more "environmental friendly" will NOT do the trick [14:49:56] ok, but i really recomend the numerical experiment :) it's like quit doors from a religon [14:50:10] not as long as the machine behind the scenes has the requirement for infinite growth [14:50:54] *** Joins: Kebap (Max@RBOSE-6kqrpe.adsl.alicedsl.de) [14:51:08] -nobody- Kebap has joined on FREENODE [14:51:18] lukas1: i have 6 years of college experience so i have no trouble understanding %-growth over longer periods :) [14:52:42] if everybody has a plan that their company will grow by say 5 % per year, this means that the whole earth companies will have to double every 14 year. [14:53:15] so we are using 1.5 earths today, and expect that to be about 3 planets in 14 years. [14:53:17] thats math. [14:54:31] the bigest thing might not be to ask the question "what are THEY going to do about it", but instead ask the more trivial question "what am I going to do about it". [14:55:08] yeah, i asked exactly that question :) [14:55:57] :) [14:58:38] lukas1: i have thought about it a lot lately and the sum of my current knowledge tells me that we (earthlings) have about 5-10 years to figure out a different path. [14:59:52] and i'm thinking educating everybody about the flaw with current basic economie, and at the same time take all of the current moneysupply and use it to build something better is the fastest way to do it [15:00:24] just skipping money completely at this point will take to much time (if one wants to have a global impact) [15:00:53] most people who i know that does this ends up broke and poor. [15:01:45] just because at some point the interaction with others not yet living self sustainable or not in need of money has to happen for the transition to continue [15:03:13] but i dont see a reason for this to start be on a global scale, but rather change the way entrepreneurs and small businesses creates their business models [15:03:23] yeah, i can imagine, i always try to sit on two branches when i'm trying to move to next one, sitting on one and cutting it is something what i don't see in nature, only human stupidity brings it to the table - and doing something to hurt yourself is the definition of stupidity [15:05:53] kalken: our move with the labspace was quite radical for many people, for us it was result of equations and research, which we really liked i must say :) [15:17:35] i can imagine :) [15:18:11] ,la http://www.ted.com/talks/paul_gilding_the_earth_is_full.html a talk about earth economy growth suggested by kalken [15:18:12] i'll probably take a larger step towards sustainable living in about half a year [15:18:12] Talk title: Paul Gilding: The Earth is full - Have we used up all our resources? Have we filled up all the livable space on Earth? Paul Gilding suggests we have, and the possibility of devastating consequences, in a talk that's equal parts terrifying and, oddly, hopeful. [15:18:14] lukas1: The operation succeeded. 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