[00:00:58] it were no c64 chips in space shuttle this was just an old rumor ;D but the chips were quite similar with speed [00:01:11] !w intel 8086 [00:01:13] Intel 8086 | The 8086 (also called iAPX86) is a 16-bit microprocessor chip designed by Intel between early 1976 and mid-1978, when it was released. The 8086 gave rise to the x86 architecture of Intel's future processors. The Intel 8088, released in 1979, was a slightly modified chip with an external 8-bit data bus (allowing the use of cheaper and fewer supporting logic chips), and is notable as the [00:01:14] processor used in the original IBM PC. @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_8086 [00:03:02] "NASA used original 8086 CPUs on equipment for ground-based maintenance of the Space Shuttle Discovery until the end of the space shuttle program in 2011. This decision was made to prevent software regression that might result from upgrading or from switching to imperfect clones.[17]" lol [00:04:59] scrdcow: so the latest shuttle has probably an amgia500 processor now XD [00:07:01] hehe [00:08:28] here is evidence of Kommodore 64 in alien spaceship... [00:08:30] http://www.galactic2.net/PERMJ/S_M9B.GIF [00:08:35] ;-) [00:08:54] muhaha [00:09:22] he is some weird swede that paints thouse alien technology schematics hehe [00:09:28] those* [00:09:50] "galactic technology" [00:10:02] oh, not swede, but from denmark. hehe [00:12:15] a c64 a weird mountain crystal and a treatment probe... anal probe? doesn't say ;-) [00:13:13] http://www.galactic2.net/PERMJ/S_M10B.GIF - treatment champer, looks comfy in the chair [00:13:18] chamber* [00:14:36] I think NASA had/have like 8 comment lines for every line of code hehe [00:15:56] haha [00:20:18] *** Joins: Kebap23 (Max@RBOSE-nt7qrr.adsl.alicedsl.de) [00:26:46] DNS777: are you keeping up with the commodore? [00:28:06] *** Quits: Kebap (Max@RBOSE-a6t783.adsl.hansenet.de) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [00:48:15] scrdcow: one day ill turn it on again, ill let you know [00:48:19] xD [00:50:42] DNS777: couse the commodore is keeping up with you! [00:50:45] cause* [00:51:01] lol [01:19:02] *** Quits: Hakufu (jonte@RBOSE-ma1m9h.bredband.comhem.se) (Connection closed) [01:19:49] argh.. idiotic that you can't resize a logical volume? [01:19:58] I mean, is that so? can't do it with gparted atleast. [02:47:20] *** Joins: anne (anne@RBOSE-atenl3.centertel.pl) [04:04:55] *** Quits: anne (anne@keep.it.simple) (Quit: ) [08:01:36] *** Joins: ZyaX (9jti8d8@RBOSE-5lntnm.bredband.comhem.se) [08:07:56] *** Quits: rBOTse (rBOTse@RBOSE-gkfu2h) (Quit: Ctrl-C at console.) [08:15:20] *** Joins: rBOTse (rBOTse@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [08:15:20] *** RBOSE sets mode: +o rBOTse [08:36:13] *** Quits: ZyaX (9jti8d8@RBOSE-5lntnm.bredband.comhem.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [10:19:47] -nobody- Caly_ has joined on FREENODE [10:19:58] 07<03Caly_@FREENODE07> Hiya [10:20:17] 07<03Caly_@FREENODE07> what's the adress again, and why can't we fix the link on the website???? [10:20:26] 07<03Caly_@FREENODE07> ( for the webchat ) [10:20:58] hi Caly_ :) [10:21:30] 07<03Caly_@FREENODE07> hi lukas [10:21:46] let me fix that [10:21:58] 07<03Caly_@FREENODE07> =) [10:22:09] 07<03Caly_@FREENODE07> please do [10:24:41] Caly, only part of the website was off (the one with beta in url) [10:25:27] 07<03Caly_@FREENODE07> well, the IRClink on the front page was, so... [10:25:35] yeah [10:25:47] sorry, always you can find the info in wiki [10:26:09] *** Joins: Caly (qwebirc@RBOSE-m8hua2.mobileonline.telia.com) [10:26:29] -nobody- Caly_ has left on FREENODE [10:26:50] there =) [10:27:25] got my moms laptop working, so at least I have something to webirc on for now [10:27:58] Caly: should not happen again for now, i switched off something what was actively tested, we got a weird error, please let me know if you by some chance will encounter this error again [10:28:35] shure will lukas [10:28:43] thx :) [10:30:57] I hate shopping! [10:34:17] Caly: ack - there are so few really good products out there, shopping has become real pain to sift through all of it :) [10:34:45] word [10:38:59] *** Quits: Caly (qwebirc@RBOSE-m8hua2.mobileonline.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [10:48:44] *** Joins: Caly (qwebirc@RBOSE-m8hua2.mobileonline.telia.com) [10:51:55] lukas: I can weld decently with MIG (wirefeed) but I think I would learn stick welder / arch welder pretty fast. And I would like to build a DIY battery powered stickwelder, I've seen some that seems to work OK [10:53:05] A guy put a PV on the roof of his golf car, and hooked cables and a clamp to the batteries, and used as a portable self suficient welder on his farm =P [10:53:36] nice :D [10:53:42] btw, http://www.gb0063551.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seeog/companion/ [10:58:00] kool [11:00:27] what do you think guys, should I ask these people to add rbose.org to the list of signees here? http://aktivix.org/ [11:00:28] URL Title: Aktivix - Linux for Activists [11:15:58] Caly: i thought about it too, but our public logs might be an issue for many organisations like that, second i think we shouldn't identify with any groups, even with rbose, because there is so big deficit on independent thinking and we need people who understand what they know and know what don't know, as well we are really a technological movement while many people just go to protests or focus on finding [11:16:00] sponsors and advertising aka promoting in order to gather some founds but in fact doing nothing except talking, spamming etc. [11:21:51] aktivix are not for profit, not corporative and very into freeconomy, hacktivism etc. Albeit they do ask their mail service users for volontary donations too keep the servers running. [11:22:27] :) [11:24:22] they made a sligt exeption to their rule of friend-to-friend basis of letting in mail account users, because of what we do, and what I promoted in their IRC (they run their on IRC server). After a few weeks they kinda reconed they knew me and had befriended me =P [11:24:56] but I totally understand anyone not wanting it, especielly since the recent discussion on public logging. [11:25:56] idk if we might want to re-think that approach of ours, but that should include a good ajority of our frequent contributors and chatters ofc !!! [11:27:17] the data retention act got voted in for Sweden yesterday. =( [11:28:43] :( [11:29:19] chrono: have you seen this? http://www.archive.org/details/TheSystemOfOwnershipOfIdeas [11:29:20] URL Title: The system of ownership of ideas : Claude Martin Rainaud : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive [11:30:52] this is something what a lot inspired many of us here [11:31:26] yeah, kalken alrey posted a link to the youtubevid (iirc) [11:31:38] ok :) [11:31:57] did you like it? :) [11:33:15] jep [11:33:49] keep watching other Moglen lectures, they are all great! [11:34:28] "here, we made this, have some, its free!" ^^^^ [11:34:38] <3 [11:35:16] just mailed some enqueries to the german (european) retailer of theese: https://www.genesi-usa.com/store/details/16 [11:35:17] URL Title: Genesi [11:35:25] any thoughts? [11:35:52] whoa, you really wanna go arm? [11:36:01] if they can deliver fast enough, I might get me one if noone has a good reason not to [11:36:02] I mean it's possible, with good linux skills [11:36:25] I have to arm boxes but they're specifically tailored [11:36:30] chrono: hmm, it runs linux native, so... what would be the issues you mean? [11:36:56] do tell [11:37:05] natively runs, can mean anything ;) [11:38:08] so what kind of issues might I run into then? [11:38:12] I mean getting off mainstream arch (i686/amd64) might introduce problems with "out-of-the-box" linuxes [11:38:42] well, depends, problems with certain kernel drivers, having to patch and hack the kernel manually to get some features [11:39:06] it doesnÄt really say what GPU is in there and if X supports it [11:39:19] narf [11:39:48] it doesn't really say what kind of 3D features it offers or which GPU it uses, probably something close to the freescale or a SoC design [11:41:50] I have no objection to ARM/MIPS devices I used two here to minimize my power budget drastically and they do a fine job [11:41:56] used=use [11:42:58] but again, I've had to put considerable amount of time and effort hacking (software and hardware, even soldeirng on the SoC board) it to do what it shoud do :) [11:44:50] have you tried googling for other owners of this device which may return some howtos and how stuff is done? I usually do this research before I buy something, because when I realize after I bought it, there is no one out there sharing his resources on how to really make a device usable I'm all by myself :( [11:49:41] hihi [11:49:43] https://www.genesi-usa.com/support/smartbook/tutorial/debug [11:49:44] URL Title: Genesi - How to install a debug board [11:50:25] no cable ethernet... [11:50:37] not everyone has wlan, do you have a usb/ethernet stick? [11:50:53] The Efika MX Smartbook ships with a pre-installed distribution derived from Ubuntu Linux (Maverick). [11:51:16] so they already have hacked something up, might be a challenge if you want to switch distros [11:51:40] i.MX515 includes an OpenGL ES 2.0 compliant 3D core [11:52:03] so it really seems a full freescale SoC approach, that might help you to find other resources about it [11:52:51] and imho 512mb ram really isn't going to be enough for linux with gui/browsers [12:00:47] *** Joins: Caly_ (qwebirc@RBOSE-db311r.mobileonline.telia.com) [12:01:19] chrono: ok, so it's generally a bad idea for a non-software hacker like me then. [12:01:21] loved the power eficiency... [12:02:15] well that depends, if you want to learn something about it it's great, and yeah, the power efficiency is great, that's why I use two arm and a Mips box for common system tasks [12:02:28] *** Quits: Caly (qwebirc@RBOSE.org) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [12:02:43] but if you want to have a real tool, that you don't work on to make it work, but to work with to do something else I'd reommend: no go [12:05:12] ok, then it's a no go [12:05:36] I found a HP Compaq Mini 110c-1011so/eo for a swet price... [12:09:02] I have dips on some Intel Atoms with US15W chipset, these devices usually range at 10W, I don't know about 3d performance though since power was more concern than 3d on my part :) [12:11:07] yeah, same here. [12:12:00] I need some small portable with decent battery time, for surfing and IRC basically. I do some torrent and want HDMI or VGA out for my 24" screen [12:12:07] than you might want to look for some atom (z530 for example) with an US15W chipset, all other atoms range over 25w due to the g945 or g500 chipsets that really still burn a lot of power [12:12:50] dman than != then - then then then then [12:12:56] and then? [12:12:58] :) [12:13:14] huh? [12:13:41] I was just trying to train myself to consider my "th(a/e)ns" [12:13:57] chrono: assuming you advice against AMD/radeon huh? [12:14:15] hehe, ok [12:14:24] i have no experience with these devices so I really can't recommend something I would only knwo hearsay about... [12:14:41] but in my experience the amd's aren't as up to par regarding energy savings as intel is atm [12:15:32] well, there is the price / availability vs. nix drivers issue... [12:15:46] yeah, buying a laptop today is a total nightmare [12:16:13] energy efficiency is preferble, but I'm on a limited schedule to get one before heading for Spain. [12:16:16] there are so many issues and so much compromise it's very hard to find a device one likes after 6 weeks :9 [12:16:30] ehe [12:16:30] yeah [12:16:44] mhm [12:16:51] especially on a super-tight budget. [12:17:30] I'm still living on old surplus refurbished IBM thinkpads (x61) - they run perfect with linux, are robust and sturdy workhorse and have no glossy display (which is a nightmare when you are outside) [12:18:23] but they are not as efficient, I can run this box inbetween 15-35W [12:19:16] since I don't really need alot of screen or performance. [12:20:05] and the portability and small keyboard are tempting. [12:26:19] *** Joins: Caly (qwebirc@RBOSE-db311r.mobileonline.telia.com) [12:27:46] did I miss anything? [12:27:59] damn bad connection! [12:28:08] *** Quits: Caly_ (qwebirc@RBOSE-db311r.mobileonline.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [12:32:36] any thoughts on this one? http://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Aspire-1810TZ.21462.0.html [12:32:37] URL Title: Acer Aspire 1810TZ - Notebookcheck.net External Reviews [12:34:41] used for 190€, seems to have great battery time, intel, HDMI, etc. [12:34:53] I like acers keyboards... [12:39:00] http://www.bestnotebookreviewnews.com/2012/03/acer-aspire-timeline-1810tz-specs.html [12:39:02] URL Title: Acer Aspire Timeline 1810TZ Specs, Review and Cost ~ Best Notebook Review News [12:39:17] chrono: kalken any thoughts? [12:40:37] Caly: the permaculture channel on freenode is now quite small :( [12:41:04] lukas: it's always been, since i strted it... [12:47:19] Seems like a good buy... hmm, might call the guy before it's gone... [14:35:20] Caly: it seems like a good deal [14:41:49] *** Quits: Caly (qwebirc@RBOSE-db311r.mobileonline.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [16:00:47] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZT1zI9H9P8 [16:00:48] You4Tube 2[Title] HSC Spontaneous Beer Explosion 2[Category] Tech 2[Duration] 0:00:16 2[Views] 198 2[Rating] None 2[Uploaded] 2011-06-03 2[Description] One of our HSC homebrews spontaneously exploding caught on CCTV [16:18:42] *** Joins: ZyaX (9jti8d8@RBOSE-5lntnm.bredband.comhem.se) [16:37:32] and the ultimate poltergeist: [16:37:34] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1zozP0wyU8&feature=related [16:37:36] You4Tube 2[Title] Waschmaschine vs. Betonstein | Washing Machine vs. concrete block 2[Category] Comedy 2[Duration] 0:05:25 2[Views] 180430 2[Rating] 4.78 2[Uploaded] 2011-02-26 2[Description] Waschmaschine gegen Betonstein. Was hält länger durch? - Englisch description below... Ich habe meine bereits größtenteils defekte Waschmaschine an einen Stelltrafo angeschlossen und sie damit noch ein letztes Mal zum Leben erweckt :-) Die [19:23:27] *** Joins: DZR (Darren@RBOSE-cvq.271.4.190.IP) [19:24:02] Hello :) [19:42:43] hi [19:43:14] hi datagirls'n databoys [19:43:45] nono we're past the point of just computers and software :) [19:43:48] d-girls and d-boys [19:43:55] we deal in data! [19:44:23] I guess my tools, generators and stuff would disagree [19:44:40] but you have data in your blood [19:45:01] without data love in your soul you will be empty, sad and perhaps die! [19:45:03] i also have atom [19:45:10] does that make me an atom boy? :) [19:45:14] hehe [19:45:37] Atom Boy aka Mr. Data [19:45:52] or vice versa [19:45:59] yeah [19:46:07] mr data, i liked him [19:46:13] heh [19:46:14] he was the most human of the whole bunch [19:46:30] I like the handle Captain Data [19:46:40] and also General Data [19:46:51] but that's what I love about TNG anyways, for every period of my life I could always find a character I could associate to [19:47:00] :-) [19:47:08] haven't been much into ST sadly :-/ [19:47:41] when I was a kid I always wanted to have a life like wesley crusher, nerdy, always the youngest [19:47:46] I calculated that It would take me something aprox of 1 1/2 month (don't remember the exact timing) to watch all episodes of all series and all movies of ST. [19:48:03] I would do it over a summer, when we were free from school. but didn't do it. [19:48:07] then I could really get into the moral and emotional dilemmas of jean-luc picard [19:48:13] so sort of gave up on it all. it was either or, watch all, or nothing... [19:48:39] I watch them all on a regular basis, over an dover again, when I get the feeling that my perception of the world beecomes to shitty [19:48:52] but I have seen alot of voyager. [19:49:16] atleast startrek beat prisoner cellbock h by some days or so ;-D [19:49:20] tng and ds9 are nice enterrtainment but I don't consider them roddenberry's idea of star trek anymore [19:49:26] Hello chrono, hello scrdcow :) [19:49:40] DZR: hi :) sorry you had to wait :) [19:49:57] scrdcow: I meant ds9 and voyager [19:49:59] chrono: :-D [19:50:01] tng is very much different [19:50:15] chrono: yeah. [19:50:28] chrono wait??? [19:50:39] but I was just checking on the system, my body actually still is in the kitchen, my mind has to return as well.... lat0rz :) [19:50:42] but I liked voyager, voyager and TOS I have seen the most of atleast. [19:50:46] yeah? [19:50:48] zya [19:51:06] have to cook some foodstuff [19:51:11] bingo [19:52:26] DZR: you joined the channel and as there isn't that much traffic here, sometimes people leave, before anyone can get a chance to reply [19:52:42] that's sometimes sad if there are new people, and I didn't know if you were new or not [19:53:25] chrono.... I see. Been dropping in from time to time for a while now. Thanks for the thought tho :) [19:53:41] okay, good, back to the kitchen now :) [20:16:51] chrono: i think i seen almost all st except some of the tos, i liked st a lot in past, especially the focus on social dimensions of life in tng and ds9, but right now i think st passes far to much acceptance for violence in human society, military extremely simple (not to say primitive) view of life and acceptance for social hierarchy in general with all of that :/ [20:23:08] there is still a lot of great stuff in it thought [20:45:32] lukas: agreed, but look at it closely and consider when roddenberry died, TNG is the only ST for me, TOS is too old (I can't watch it) and ds9/voyager are just simple entertaining building up on the success of TNG to make more money after roddenberrys death [20:46:17] TNG doesn't have this, it's _awlays_ about finding a better solution, a moral dilemma and how to react appropriately [20:46:30] yeah :) [20:46:38] that's part of why it's apollo-NG :) [20:46:49] :D [20:48:30] that's why many people also don't like TNG, because it gets under their skin (they call it "too much moral preaching") I never felt that, I awlays considered that the right thing to go for in the future, work to better ourselves not to make money,the was no money in TNG for example, ds9 was completely revolving around war, deception and gold-pressed latinum (money) [20:49:23] oh yeah, and RELIGION and religious conflicts and stupid concepts like that [20:49:47] i had precisely same sensations [20:50:19] i think tng made me watch all the rest [20:51:47] me too [20:51:58] but the rest was just entertaining but not enlightenment [20:52:15] *** Quits: DZR (Darren@RBOSE-cvq.271.4.190.IP) (Connection closed) [20:54:24] *** Joins: DZR (Darren@RBOSE-cvq.271.4.190.IP) [20:55:06] yeah, when i think for example about "who watch the watchers" and what kind of questions appeared in my mind... tng was really inspiration for asking many more questions :) [20:55:17] totally [20:55:25] or who judges the judges ;D [20:55:31] social, ecological, basically everything [20:55:40] yes [20:57:39] talking about sci-fi and stuff. Used to watch / read quite a bit when I was young [20:57:53] Not so much now [20:58:09] A few years back I watched firefly [20:59:20] DZR: now i guess you are just doing it and living the future everday? :D [20:59:21] At the moment I'm reading technopriests graphic novel that a friend gave to me [20:59:38] lukas .... of course :) [21:00:12] and you... how is FreeLAB developing???? [21:00:39] (watched all of Firefly series and the movie) [21:01:52] chrono Appolo NG ??? [21:01:56] is you?? [21:02:23] aye [21:02:38] well not me, just a logical step my mind created :) [21:03:12] if I don't like the system as it is, I don't have the right to bitch about it, if I don't have the guts to do something about it ;) [21:03:45] aha .... elf-pavlik was suggesting that we should talk.... [21:07:27] DZR: need to get a better connection but we have a great time learning stuff here, the weather is very nice, we are busy from early morning to late evening, sometimes overwhelmed by the amount of things which have to be done, but started to shape very good relations with people living around, which are a support we did not expected at all - today decided to have few minutes extra to be on irc and work more on [21:07:27] computer [21:08:32] DZR: ah, is that so? I trust in his judgement ;) [21:09:05] :) [21:13:01] chrono: DZR runs http://vegburner.co.uk/ [21:13:03] URL Title: Vegburner [21:13:08] * elf-pavlik btw hi all =) [21:13:35] !hello elf-pavlik [21:13:37] ACTION greets elf-pavlik (because lukas wants me to), and offers some help. (Type: !help) [21:13:47] chrono: maybe you can clarify together some of your concerns about this topic?.... [21:14:04] !hello lukas [21:14:05] ACTION greets lukas (because elf-pavlik wants me to), and offers some help. (Type: !help) [21:14:07] ah :) the "biofuel guy" ;) [21:14:26] sorry I'm a bit "green" at the moment :) [21:14:38] if you know what i mean [21:14:44] :D [21:14:51] DZR: do you also have xp with using alcohol for engines? [21:15:37] no sorry... but did do a bit of research..... [21:16:14] DZR: yeah, I was interested in biofuel very much, since Apollo-NG's command module needs diesel to power it's primary engine [21:16:54] some of the best links I found for alcohol are at http://www.appropedia.org/Biofuel [21:16:56] URL Title: Biofuel - Appropedia: The sustainability wiki [21:16:57] I also considered going for the bio-oil approach using a heater to bring the fuel up to a certain point before injecting it into the rail [21:17:27] yeah chrono.... what engine/vehicle [21:17:29] but I've read many german reports about engine durability being cut down by a lot when going for oil [21:17:57] chrono: how many engines has your van? (sorry for my rednecky language ;) [21:17:58] the odyssey is based on a mercedes benz V220 (Vito) 2.2l CDI 90kW [21:18:31] OM611 engine type [21:18:43] it's avery robust but still modern enough to be efficient engine [21:18:59] elf-pavlik: one, it's primary engine ;) [21:19:28] ah Vito with CDI [21:19:28] ok ;) btw i like your terminology... please keep it up! [21:20:22] Yeah CDIs are not great with PPO (pure plant oil) but it can be done if you are careful. [21:20:43] Many people have done loads and loads of miles with Mercedes CDI engines [21:20:52] or should that be kilometers???? [21:21:17] However the Vitos also came with the OM602 engine.... [21:21:30] kilometers in my case, this is what I propose anyways, we drop national language and go for english and therefore we agree on the metric system :) [21:21:33] Much much better for robustness and multifuelability [21:21:55] mine is an611 because I knew it was one of the sturdiest they ever built, some have 1.000.000km and still go [21:22:01] infact probably one of the best (large production run) engines made for multifuelability [21:22:06] suitable for [21:23:01] you sure??? 1,000,000 ??? [21:23:18] The common rail bit is the let down.... [21:23:23] yeah, if treated like an engine and not like a toy to get rid off [21:23:48] so, are there better alternatives to PPO i could use in your opinion? [21:23:58] they break and are expensive to fix (I'm talking about the Merc engines here but all common rail are similar) [21:24:29] i know, I really considered going for some old engine 20 year+, because one could repair it with a hammer if neccessary ;) [21:24:32] often 100,000 miles until major expense (even if you don't pay someone else to do the work) [21:24:52] But I opted against it, Apollo is about change and efficiency, I couldn't run on such an old and wasteful system [21:24:55] Have you modified the Vito??? [21:25:00] internally [21:25:22] not yet, due to winter, the metamorphosis from vito -> odyssey will beginn this summer, probably mostly underway [21:25:53] but then yes, it will be heavily modded you can see the plans (or the ground foundation of them) on the APollo page unter technology [21:26:01] If you want to mess about with different fuels I would consider swapping it.... [21:26:33] nah, it took me 1 year to find this one ;) [21:26:57] OK [21:27:01] there aren't more than 30 v220 on the marekt in whole germany [21:27:17] wots v220 [21:27:24] vito 2.2 [21:27:33] duh [21:28:11] I know of many merc commonrail that have been converted with 2 tank systems [21:28:23] well the vito is the "workhorse" version the V220 is basically the vito, but will nice interrior, leather sets and comfortable environment [21:28:47] not like a transporter [21:28:55] start on diesel - change to vegetable oil once everything is hot [21:29:26] aren't there any alternative direct diesel replacement approaches? [21:29:42] also there are some good papers in KONES journal about Elsbetts single tank conversion of a Mercedes CDI [21:29:51] They did heavy modifications [21:30:36] hmm [21:33:13] KONES dont have the pdf on their site anymore but the text is on this page http://www.burnveg.com/forum/about18.html down the page a bit...... [21:33:15] URL Title: Research Reports : Single Tank Systems and Blending [21:33:27] PRELIMINARY APPROACH TOWARDS A CDI SYSTEM MODIFICATION OPERATING ON NEAT RAPESEED OIL [21:33:58] The two tank system isnt too difficult. [21:34:52] worst part is that the pump that moves the fuel from the tank to the engine will break after some time pushing thicker vegetable oil [21:35:03] so you need a stronger pump!! [21:36:16] The hackerbus is much more simple :) [21:37:07] chrono ... sorry I was going off on one [21:37:36] You should be able to run fine on well made biodiesel [21:37:44] without needing any engine modifications [21:38:15] unless you want to run it when it is very cold [21:38:38] depends a bit on what oil (s) the biodiesel was made from [21:39:00] ah thanks for clearing that up :) [21:39:36] so I still have options, depending on how bad/good things get nd what I might be able to do alone or together in a group to modify and test it out [21:40:01] since I lack basic welding skills my "big machine" skills are also relatively poor, I will have to shape it up :) [21:40:45] thats why I currently design everything small and efficient and usually in conjunction with electronics [21:40:46] DZR: what drawbacks have 2 tank systems? [21:41:14] gotta find somewhere for a second tank [21:41:27] yeah, space is a problem with many cars [21:41:30] have to run on diesel for a bit till the engine warms up [21:41:45] have to run on diesel for a bit before switching off [21:41:55] are there poeple out there making their own biodiesel? [21:42:13] yeah but uless you drive to job 30min away it can come handy on long ranges... [21:42:16] ;) [21:42:18] It depends a bit on the engine (some you have to be more careful) [21:42:48] but probably around 10kilometers of each journey on diesel (being safe) [21:43:15] so if you mainly do short journeys not so good. [21:43:36] yeah many people make their own biodiesel [21:43:40] its not difficult [21:43:47] a bit of an art to do it well [21:44:45] this is quite good http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/ [21:46:04] i get 403 [21:46:18] hm jap, me too [21:47:05] what peopoe usualy make it from? left over from making french fries? ;) [21:47:37] uuh, I don't think so [21:48:14] it would be nice to get away with waste products but I can hardly imagine that working [21:48:15] oh yeah not working [21:48:32] normally used cooking oil yes [21:48:45] sometimes unused oils [21:49:04] http://www.graham-laming.com/bd/main.htm is good.... I'll try and find a working link for the other...... [21:49:05] URL Title: Graham's biodiesel docs. [21:49:08] *** Quits: woyna (woyna@RBOSE-ukl.r5g.133.79.IP) (Connection closed) [21:50:23] here you go http://biodieseltutorial.utahbiodieselsupply.com/ [21:50:24] URL Title: Welcome - Collaborative Biodiesel Tutorial Website [21:50:46] puh, when you dive in, the term bio get's kinda washed away :) [21:50:59] but then chemicals are a part ofbiology too :) [21:51:17] Graham Laming was coming up with some very clever DIY stuff using second hand stuff [21:51:19] this one looks cool: http://www.vedbil.se/veddrifte.shtml [21:51:20] URL Title: Around Sweden with wood in the tank [21:51:40] yeah elf know someone who worked with one of them [21:51:48] this is great knowledge graham put together, I think I'll mirror his resources [21:51:54] thanks for the link [21:52:10] Person I know just started work with the people at GEK (I think) [21:52:26] He also designed the nanode hang on link...... [21:52:33] yeah, you wouldn't get 50 meters in germany with a mod like that :) [21:52:51] they'd take away you car and try to put you in jail [21:53:07] wood-gasification ;) yeah [21:55:05] http://www.nanode.eu/ [21:55:06] URL Title: Nanode - Network Application Node [21:57:44] yeah, I have something else as the basis for argus in mind, small node weatherstation is a modular kit [21:57:59] everyone who likes can put a weatherstation for his community [21:58:02] http://www.gekgasifier.com/ [21:58:03] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-2kc14o.mobileonline.telia.com) [21:58:11] URL Title: Home « Gasifier Experimenters Kit [21:58:15] and they all can share the same local climate data from one station [21:58:43] o/ [21:58:50] but all stations are linked together that everyone can check the real weather everywhere for free on a shared and company independent basis [21:58:56] most of the biofuels links I'm pulling from http://www.appropedia.org/Biofuel where most of my best online documentation is [21:58:58] URL Title: Biofuel - Appropedia: The sustainability wiki [21:59:04] Hello Caly :) [21:59:17] hi Darren =) [22:00:06] who, gek, nice [22:01:59] same bloke who designed Nanode is working there now. I've met him a few times. Lives close to me [22:02:37] the gek stuff seems really cool, even the GCU - gasification control unit [22:02:38] chrono, haven't you seen GEK before? o_O [22:02:50] nope, obviously didn't show up in ma yresearch [22:03:01] He @Monsonite on twitter - tends to tweet a lot...... [22:03:09] probabaly are only link by wiki's using rel=nofollow *sigh* [22:03:31] wow, and you who are into gasifiers... Its like THE gasifier =P [22:04:01] all plans online and kits available [22:04:19] I tell you guys, we've come to a chaning point, those are very exciting times :)) [22:04:42] *** Quits: ZyaX (9jti8d8@RBOSE-5lntnm.bredband.comhem.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [22:04:54] :D [22:05:46] chrono: be sure to check this page http://rbose.org/wiki/FOSH_list [22:05:47] URL Title: FOSH list - RBOSE [22:05:49] :D [22:06:09] still, being a german guy and building a gasifiction control unit as the final solution in bio"mass" gasification let's people look at you in a funny way :) [22:06:18] lukas ... yeah I like that page :) [22:06:39] chrono :D [22:08:02] chrono: is it ok if we place appolo-ng on that list as well? [22:08:35] or maybe it would fit into other place better? [22:10:21] oh, and just a few more here http://rbose.org/wiki/Free_and_open_source_projects#Space [22:10:22] URL Title: Free and open source projects - RBOSE [22:12:27] lukas: feel free to place it wherever you see it makes sense, if we all spread our efforts the picture it will paint as a whole to the public will grow enomously, like me not knowing about gek gasifiers, because the aren't ranked well in google [22:13:07] except hen you know gek gasifiers, but it didn't turn up on any meta search I did [22:13:56] lukas: what do you think about running http://yacy.net/en/ node? it takes some resources though... [22:13:57] URL Title: YaCy - The Peer to Peer Search Engine: Home [22:14:50] who in RBOSE deals with servers infrastucture? [22:15:20] could anyone summarize for me what rbose's role would be in the big picture of the open-resource world, what's your benefit? I'd like to finish the big picture and put rbose in there because rbose seems to me (and little do I really know) like some group considering administrative tasks in the great link and listing different groups... [22:16:05] elf-pavlik: we have been thinking about this :D we need to talk with nairboon and Fat64 and ask them since they are providing the fastest boxes [22:16:52] lukas: ok, cool! (: [22:18:01] i think Fat64 already liked the idea and i think the resource part maybe was an issue, but i can be wrong [22:18:01] YaCy is coole :D [22:18:25] it's somewhere in the logs :) [22:18:58] hmmmm.... i'll try to check with nibbler from https://as250.net/ if he could help us out with hosting YaCy node... [22:18:59] URL Title: as250.net [22:19:45] elf-pavlik: the server infrastructure is like an act of kindness here :) some people share boxes because they can do it, others dedicate time and effort to maintain it [22:20:14] do we need more boxes atm? [22:20:19] lukas: yeah, beautiful! =) [22:21:54] lukas: btw have i mentioned this project before: http://sharefoodforest.org/ ? [22:24:01] kalken: seems like so far we can handle load quite well, but always we may add new features with more power or have a better performance, so far all issues we had were 100% physical, like with Pest's cat pulling out lan cable XD or with physical upgrade of hardware [22:24:28] yeah :) [22:24:51] i have gotten kvm to work pretty well here now, so if boxes are needed i might be able to help [22:25:06] though debian is running strangely old kvm-versions :( [22:25:23] maybe i'll try to compile my own kernels instead :D [22:25:41] :) [22:26:00] :] [22:26:26] i actually have 2 p4 2.8 with 4 gigs of ram each in the basement. Somebody thought it was trash, so i took them home :DD [22:26:48] nice machines :D [22:27:31] i'll bet they could serve a few hundred thousand webrequests if one run a real operatingsystem :D [22:27:41] windows would probably not start. [22:29:22] bsd/nginx and you might even squeeze out a few hundreds more :) [22:29:28] *** Joins: Calyp (Caly@RBOSE-gp83ps.mobileonline.telia.com) [22:30:04] yeah. nginx is coole [22:32:04] though i changed to apache because it does not run http 1.1 on backends so that looses some performance [22:32:16] new apache 2.4 is also coole :D [22:33:23] yeah, I was apache using since the very early days, but on slices of vps nginx is unbeatable when it comes to system resources, performance and memory consumption, so I said goodbye to my old friend apache who served me faithfully all these years [22:34:15] elf-pavlik: http://rbose.org/wiki/RBOSE_Servers this is not up to date right now, but basically it works similar, the Pest's server has been replaced by Fat64's box, server 6 now has more stuff there, server 2 and 3 are off but Evil is dedicating two boxes [22:34:16] URL Title: RBOSE Servers - RBOSE [22:34:32] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE.org) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [22:34:32] proxy for 1.1 is experimental in nginx so i dont dare to run that in production yet [22:34:44] but sure, nginx is a beast, along with haproxy :D [22:34:59] elf-pavlik :) sharefoodforest [22:35:02] those tools can really bring old hardware back to life [22:35:37] lukas: nice diagram! [22:37:05] lukas: thought it seems like that map needs an update :D [22:37:27] yeah :) [22:39:59] and we put a lot of stuff and really heavy amount of traffic and computing power on launchpad servers - running probably right now the biggest .deb repository of GNU software in the world :D and other repositories with freshest stuff for artists or irc users :D [22:40:05] ,praise DNS777 [22:40:05] * rBOTse wanna be like DNS777 [22:42:32] *** Joins: Caly_ (Caly@RBOSE-650ee3.mobileonline.telia.com) [22:43:32] *** Quits: Calyp (Caly@RBOSE.org) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [22:44:00] me trying to explain what the world could be like to an "ordinary" person, is basically the same as trying to explain to a windowsuser, what a computer without restrictions and licenses and every line of source available [22:44:01] DZR: some fellow hackers started it recently... [22:44:13] its basically syntax error in their brains [22:44:56] currently being amused by the google translation of the story..... [22:45:03] elf-pavlik [22:45:42] * kalken is still waiting for the babelfishes [22:49:45] kalken: yeah, some people whom i meet cannot understand that we are just ordinary people, they think we have some shady connections with whatever, gather founds, etc -- syntax error is for sure what is see in so many cases, lol [22:49:50] DZR: yeah, guys too busy to translate it from german ;) [22:52:19] ...actually i'm not sure if this is a reason for a "lol" or for tragedy and hope [22:52:26] lukas: hehe exactly. I was trying to explain to a person who had told herself all her life that she was untechnical, that being good at computers has nothing to do with understanding everything at first glance. [22:53:06] but rather to be interested in solving things that might look unsolvable at first. [22:53:22] e.g just a mindset. [22:53:28] elf-pavlik involved with a group who want to map food/land projects in UK [22:53:54] DZR: yeah! links please =) [22:54:31] DZR: seen this one? https://vimeo.com/36838823 [22:54:34] URL Title: Incredible Edible Todmorden on Vimeo [22:54:44] currently there is an idea to use http://www.foodmapper.org.uk/ [22:54:45] URL Title: Welcome to FoodMapper [22:54:59] not sure about it.... think the tech people are warehousing the data???? [22:55:13] I did meet one of the ladies who was developing the project [22:55:30] had funding from the local authorities [22:56:02] Had a chat with her about interoperability and said I would have a good look at the site and email her.... [22:57:19] looks interesting... [22:58:53] DZR: what about their source code? =) [22:59:23] yeah it would be good if more odeas like sharefoodforest would be around, because food is really almost uncovered, we're got lots and lots of techincal shit, but it doesn't mean nothing, if we starve ;) [22:59:50] having only one group in such an important matter isn't a good idea [23:00:11] if zes doesn't get it to work, we also need alternatives [23:00:36] chrono: zes & co. can't fail ;) [23:00:47] nhhhaah [23:01:01] elf-pavlik - yeah I wanted to chat to the lady (by email) and see if she can potentially export the data in some format or make it interoperable (some kind of API? - out of my depth with the tech.) [23:01:29] chrono zes ???? [23:01:40] they guy pushing sharefoodforest [23:01:46] :) [23:01:50] DZR: i'll ping mailing list from this unborn project: http://okfnlabs.org/partnered/allotmentfinder.html [23:01:51] URL Title: OKFN Labs - View Project [23:02:47] make sure that if data is put there its not stuck there before I began to use it (and encourage others to) [23:02:58] elf-pavlik: I wish he won't, with all my heart, but sometimes he gets carried away with new ideas or things or whatever else and the project might not fail, but it won't be cultivated anymore [23:03:17] It is set up quite nicely.... [23:03:48] and at this stage, when we're only so few, compared to 7 bill people, each group and their projects need the people who drive them, they won't run themselves yet [23:04:32] because I really like his idea and wan't to support it very much [23:04:36] foodmapper I'm talking about [23:05:01] sharefoodforest I'm talking about [23:05:05] chrono sharefoodforest or something else he works on?? [23:05:12] sorry... [23:05:28] nothing to be sorry about :) [23:05:37] sjust comm foo [23:05:42] :) [23:05:50] and I'm still pretty green [23:06:06] I'd really like a good mapping tool to use - open - data transportable [23:06:26] map things like food, intentional communities, hackspaces etc. [23:06:37] there are lots of maps out there [23:06:47] but data is scattered [23:07:40] suppose what really is needed is some way to reliably search for GIS data... a standard [23:07:49] elf-pavlik ....... [23:08:20] .... or anyone what would be the best tool to use right now??? [23:12:40] DZR: you may like to check this one out: http://vivirbien.mediavirus.org/ [23:12:41] URL Title: Vivir Bien: Resources for a solidarity economy [23:13:01] free software (django) and i know developer who works with solidarity economies etc... [23:15:18] this guy: http://www.floledermann.com/ [23:15:19] URL Title: floledermann.com - >> [23:16:40] elf-pavlik whats the deal with allotmentfinder - who where?? I've checked out OKF a bit before.... [23:18:10] DZR: i don't know all the details but know few folks from OKF [23:18:39] but when it comes to openess of data they know what they do most of the time ;) [23:19:29] i've send email to mailing list with link to foodmapper, let's see if they have some insigts on it.. [23:24:34] Also think I've seen Vivit Bien.... might of been via you somehow., sometime??? [23:25:06] elf-pavlik email list for allotment finder?? [23:29:40] still no one who'd like to summarize what rbose does in one comprehensible sentence? :) [23:31:39] chrono: http://rbose.org/wiki/RBOSE:WHW [23:31:40] URL Title: RBOSE:WHW - RBOSE [23:31:46] maybe yo find info there [23:33:36] DZR: but i've send a first email on this list just now... http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/allotment-finder [23:33:37] URL Title: allotment-finder Info Page [23:33:58] personally i dont se RBOSE as an entity, but a hub :D [23:34:52] hmm, yeah, that is a bit too long to get into the space I have in the big picture for rbose, I need it way more compressed and I fear if I start to compress it, it might get biased by my own thoughts so I'd really like rbose members to compress it [23:35:08] okay rbose: "Is a hub for...." [23:35:14] it's a good beginning [23:35:49] chrono: i can say that we have been struggling in the past with keeping flat structures, yet still being structured [23:37:45] RBOSE is a hub for advocates and practitioners of free and open source solutions ?? [23:37:56] kalken: if you had to tell anthoer person who knows nothing about rbose in one sentence, what would you say? [23:38:21] gotta duck out [23:38:27] thus saying "We in RBOSE think this or that" is hard, because we (or atleast i) tend to see people as individuals, not as part of a certain group :D [23:38:45] sure, but now there is this group [23:39:00] and it shares some commonalities with its members [23:39:14] what group? in your head maybe :D [23:39:56] if there is no group, why keep up a name, technology and infrastructure serving a thing called rbose? [23:41:41] I thing DZR get's what I'm fishing for [23:41:56] although it's still to abstract for my taste [23:42:54] *** Quits: Caly_ (Caly@RBOSE-650ee3.mobileonline.telia.com) (Quit: Laters y'all) [23:42:58] if you ask a baker what purpose he serves, he will probably say: " I bake bread for people to eat" [23:43:33] I want something like that for every group in the big picture to clarify the points of shared resources and responsibilities [23:43:53] first off, dont take what i'm saying now as a absolute truth. But personally i have always seen RBOSE as a community of people who want to help to build the tools needed for global collaboration. [23:44:27] thus the no ban policies etc. Trying to find other ways to make things work [23:44:31] hmm, thats the overall idea we all try to follow and achieve, but what is rbose role in there [23:46:53] for me rbose feels like a connector/administrator, putting focus on connecting different autonomous groups who share one common goal and helping on an adminstrative kind of work more than actual research or action itself [23:47:14] which seems to me to be a veryimportant role [23:48:31] but I might get that totally wrong, that's why I really would appreciate your feedback in order to finish this sideproject [23:51:09] chrono: maybe the text on the bottom http://rbose.org would be good for summary? [23:51:10] URL Title: Welcome to the RBOSE, a freedom node [23:51:20] that sounds kinda right in my ears. I know there are a lot of folks here working on different things that are connected to finding alternative methods of cooperation than the ones that exist today. [23:54:06] lukas, dns and viper (sorry if i missed someone) are working very hard to keep wiki's and other services like chat, mumble etc interconnected [23:55:55] for example bridging freenode chan with our server, connecting mumble with irc, and we also had some cool gobby/wiki intergration going for a while [23:58:06] chrono: still that does not cover all of what RBOSE is about. But i can say i have tried for a long time to have relevant intresting discussions about topics with people in other places on the internet, but most of them tend to turn into egoistic discussions about the universal right wrong yadayada stuff. But this place is something different