[02:54:30] *** Quits: kman (kman@RBOSE-1vjua3.student.uu.se) (Connection closed) [09:40:24] *** Joins: dLrG (DeLrge@RBOSE-bpkesh.tbcn.telia.com) [09:46:13] *** Quits: DeLrge (DeLrge@RBOSE-bpkesh.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [10:09:58] *** Joins: kman (kman@RBOSE-1vjua3.student.uu.se) [10:28:32] *** Joins: Hans (webchat@RBOSE-j1hk9a.chello.nl) [10:28:51] Hallo, my name is Hans [10:32:04] I work as a CEO for MicrosoftNL [10:32:29] You people have very interesting topics here. [10:40:15] hi Hans [10:40:33] Hello Lukas [10:40:41] How are you? [10:41:59] Thanks, very good, hold a few days meeting about free and open source technologies and culture in few last days. How about you? :D [10:42:32] a few days long* [10:44:55] Nice, nice. [10:45:44] I heard from a friend that you talk about interesting topics here. So I thought, I shall join you. [10:46:10] I have been doing a lot of research on acta for my company and also in MY free time. [10:46:55] But that research took maybe 1 year LOL [10:47:58] What was your meeting about.... something specific? [10:51:35] No, general one. Got few friends who due to corporate media have no idea about free and open source solutions. Some are CEOs or directors of some international corporations as well, for example in chemistry industry and trade. We spend a lot of time with nature around and talked about things they never heard about, which make them ask questions about things they do in their jobs. [10:52:48] Haha, it's funny that some people who have ''big jobs'' dont know simple things. [10:55:53] They do not work with computers so much so are not so close to information flow, and the jobs make their focus very often very narrow because they sell most of the time they have in life and don't have much time to build a broad perspective. [10:57:19] Yes, you are right. I think you always NEED to open your mind for more things. And also learn more about the things you already know. [10:58:02] By the way. Where are you from? If I may ask? [10:58:49] i'm from poland [11:02:59] So things like permaculture, ose, raspberry pi, reprap, gnu, polyeconomies, foss development comunities, natural constructions and open source architecture, not mentioning food, organic material and waste processing, robust and DIY devices, free music, open courses all around the planet, events and scale of that all is for them many still something new but positively mind blowing. [11:06:18] Wow you do a lot of work. Thats really nice. [11:07:44] I hope that one dat we all can eat normal healty food. I think that thats the most important thing. If your food is poisoning you, than you have actully no future. [11:07:54] one day ... [11:07:57] not dat [11:09:03] Yeah, many people here on one side run servers and work with computers here and on the other side are growing healthy food themselves :) [11:12:09] And where do they do that? [11:12:11] Hope unfortunately is mostly wishful thinking and counting that someone else will do it for you, what does not work often. We try to just do it. [11:12:22] All over the planet :) [11:13:04] Some people start with allotments or backyard gardens, others run farms or permaculture gardens. [11:13:41] Yes you are right. But if I may speak of my own experiance we normal humans wont survive agains the big plans. LOL [11:14:48] If you know someone who also lives in Holland maybe I can help. I have ground ., but I dont use it. I really would be happy if it would be put for good use. [11:15:49] At least one guy here is from Holland :) [11:16:37] right now away but i will certainly let him know about your visit [11:17:08] Hans: you know this lady https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Vandana_Shiva ? [11:17:09] URL Title: Vandana Shiva - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [11:17:16] Yes thank you. [11:17:31] ok [11:18:26] I have once red something about her but It was a long time ago. I think maybe im confused with someone else LOL [11:19:52] ok, she is a physicist working with food and culture, running dozens of seed banks to offer seeds away from the corporate scheme. [11:20:04] But about the ground I have. Pls let that guy know I visited I'll stay all day on. Because I really think we need to start eating normal food from earth, nothing with chemical eperiments in it LOL [11:20:31] I like her already. [11:21:02] Do you mean by the "we normal humans wont survive agains the big plans" the plans of the House of Close and Proprietary? [11:23:05] How can I explain my self really easy. uhhh yes that and. Look one simple example I have been working on acta doing a lot of thing blablabla...... lost 2 much of my life on it. We cant stop ACTA [11:23:14] and so for a lot of other things [11:23:44] that what I think in a big PLAN. [11:24:27] Or maybe you are referring to Bill Gates's words documented at TED talk "If we will do good work with vaccination there will be less people on the planet." ? O_o [11:24:28] Im tiered of working for corporations who only use human beings like they are garbage [11:24:39] hahahhaha [11:24:55] You know really a lot Lukas.\ [11:26:41] Bill Gates is a funny man. [11:26:55] And a thief [11:30:13] http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100310/0425238499.shtml things like this can happen again. We know they will keep changing the wrappers to push slave polices but we are not sleeping. [11:30:14] URL Title: Overwhelming Majority Of EU Parliament Votes Against ACTA | Techdirt [11:31:58] I hope so [11:32:04] We need to be free [11:33:05] In Romans and Greeke times they also fought for theire freedome so are we now. But from the work I have done, not so much sunshine. [11:33:49] Yeah, there is many nobel lies around. [11:34:17] But if not ACTA, they have enought tricky tricks to see us all. [11:36:15] Critical thinking is very scarce nowadays in society but it's there. And not all smart people are psychopaths. [11:37:19] Yes thats true. [11:37:45] And is that Dutch guy on?? [11:38:23] not right now [11:40:05] Hans: what specifically you would like to learn about here? Is there anything like that? [11:41:26] I would like to put MY ground to good use. [11:42:33] I want to learn about growing vegetables and things like that. [11:43:40] I have red some things about growing vegetables in water and some other things. But the point is I dont have so much time for it. So my friend told me I can go to this website and I will find help. [11:44:23] I have on my ground only 1 horse and that hors just walks around and thats it. Nothing more. I would like to do something better. For me and for the society. LOL [11:46:41] Why you laugh at this? Isn't that serious? Or is that faux pas in circles you used to know? :) [11:48:27] Im a bit hangover , yesterday queensday here in holland 2 much beer. Sorry if I dont come over sireusly. [11:49:22] 30 April Queensday here. Always funny every person In orange. [11:51:50] This years as well someone thrown a candle at queen car's and queen will gonna imprison a guy as crazy for WHOLE life as last year and obedient orange people will not say anything against this violence from top? [11:52:25] car = coach [11:53:07] Hans: I guess you will need to think how exactly you would like to do it with the land, because building a capital out of volunteers work will not work well. Beside the exchange value which comes mostly wit money today, there are social values extremely important for being happy and fill good in your life , if one screws that up, it's not easy to fix. [11:54:31] Yes you are 100% right on that. [11:55:49] But its more simpel than it looks like. I would like to put my ground to good use. Why am I referring to you? Because you are doing something good. I could olse sell my ground or rent it out. But I dont. [11:55:54] So..... [11:56:08] Im willing also to invest in it. [11:57:44] I would be happy if it will be like this: Some guys ( for example that dutch guy) we meet. He looks at my ground. And he and his friend start there doing something with food. And that it. Im always at work, I will come and help maybe 1 time per week. [11:58:47] What is the area? [11:59:23] more or less, nothing precise needed [12:00:43] and do you have there a water source easily accesable? [12:01:13] 2 by 1.8 [12:01:23] probably the weather in NL doesn't make it as important as here [12:01:51] you mean km? [12:03:20] *** Joins: Hans_ (webchat@RBOSE-j1hk9a.chello.nl) [12:03:27] Hi [12:03:35] hi again :) [12:03:37] Something went wrong [12:03:41] I dont know what [12:03:50] DC I think [12:03:52] But [12:04:01] ok [12:04:09] 2 by 1.8 and I have a small shack and water is available [12:04:45] what is the measurement unit associated with these numerical values? [12:04:52] km [12:05:03] then it's really huge [12:05:12] Yes [12:05:19] I had it for the horse [12:05:33] But my doughter Is now to old for it. [12:07:22] 360 ha for a one horse... i will not comment on that, you can divide yourself the surface of the land on planet on which people can live by number of people on this planet and draw conclusion yourself [12:08:21] Hans_: http://www.tamera.org/index.php?id=113 [12:08:22] URL Title: The Project Tamera Healing Biotope 1 [12:08:45] Yes I know. [12:09:01] Thats why im trying to do something back. [12:09:15] *** Quits: Hans (webchat@RBOSE-j1hk9a.chello.nl) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [12:09:16] this is one of projects in Tamera, they have around 120 ha if i'm right, over 200 people working and living there [12:10:09] they do a nice research, but the culture there is not something what suits everybody [12:11:15] http://rbose.org/wiki/Auroville this project might inspire you as well [12:11:16] URL Title: Auroville - RBOSE [12:12:02] one moment phone..... [12:14:59] http://directory.ic.org/records/?action=search this might be an option to let others know about your endeavour and find people who could work together with you, or to check how other people are doing things, lots of sometimes crazy examples adding to the richness of the culture out there [12:15:02] URL Title: Find an Intentional Community - Communities Directory - Search [12:16:19] here is few months old project where some guys from here were involved http://openeland.org/ [12:16:20] URL Title: Open E Land | Open Everything Land [12:20:52] Hans_: i sent a notification to that person from NL that he should read our log, is there a way he could contact you? [12:21:59] ?? ownership [12:22:00] ownership[1]: The system of ownership of ideas: [12:22:02] ownership[2]: http://dotsub.com/view/a29b44f7-bf4b-4928-a4a4-7a1359bceb55 [12:24:20] please check this video ^ you might already know it, and i would be very surprised if you would not know the speaker, but i have sensation that understanding how we work would be very important for you to know if you really are in a good place looking for help [12:25:12] Hi [12:25:23] I had a phonecall and I need to leave now [12:25:30] thank you for everything [12:25:33] understood [12:25:45] you're welcome :) [12:25:45] you can contact me later I will be back in 2 hours maybe\ [12:25:56] bye [12:26:14] *** Quits: Hans_ (webchat@RBOSE-j1hk9a.chello.nl) (Quit: Page closed) [12:27:32] i go as well away, see you later folks [13:37:14] o/ [14:36:41] \o [14:42:45] http://ianmurdock.com/debian/ubuntu-vs-debian-reprise/ [14:46:30] *** Joins: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-rstl57.bredband.comhem.se) [16:08:34] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-r565aj.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) [16:09:23] *** Joins: Kebap23 (LeckerKebap@RBOSE-2vlt3c.unitymediagroup.de) [16:16:41] *** Quits: Kebap (LeckerKebap@RBOSE-2vlt3c.unitymediagroup.de) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [18:45:35] *** Joins: fat64 (herp@RBOSE-qf4ip9.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [19:22:27] *** Joins: Hans (webchat@RBOSE-j1hk9a.chello.nl) [19:22:38] Hello [19:26:04] *** Quits: Hans (webchat@RBOSE-j1hk9a.chello.nl) (Quit: Page closed) [19:43:41] *** Joins: Kebap (LeckerKebap@RBOSE-2vlt3c.unitymediagroup.de) [19:50:57] *** Quits: Kebap23 (LeckerKebap@RBOSE-2vlt3c.unitymediagroup.de) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [20:29:07] *** Joins: Evil (Viper@RBOSE-damcet.pool.ukrtel.net) [20:29:50] Hi folks [20:30:30] *** Evil is now known as Viper [20:30:52] hello [20:30:57] we had a Hans here from nl :3 [20:31:00] hans left very soon [20:31:50] There was powerdown for short time my server whent down [20:32:07] Ah right :) [20:32:16] what happened , lightning? [20:32:18] :o [20:32:25] I am not at home [20:32:35] Server is up but not all is running lol [20:33:21] fat64 i don't know why i am around 2000km from my server LOL [20:33:27] whoa bro [20:33:34] 2 0 0 0 K M [20:33:44] you don't get physical with your servers much I guess [20:33:44] yeah [20:34:00] i know its up But need to start VM only then i can ssh [20:34:32] ,any hans [20:34:32] Viper: hans was last seen in #RBOSE 1 hour, 8 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: *** Hans has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) [20:34:41] ,seen hans [20:34:41] Viper: hans was last seen in #RBOSE 1 hour, 12 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: Hello [20:34:59] he only said hello :( and I didn see it in time! [20:36:17] i see [20:36:54] i would need to add script so everything starts on startup [20:37:22] ah.. 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[21:51:49] *** Quits: kman (kman@RBOSE-1vjua3.student.uu.se) (Connection closed) [22:03:30] Viper: thx for the fix [22:12:39] hey scrdcow :) [22:14:48] i need to add scripts that everything starts with on Startup [22:18:08] http://www.sott.net/articles/show/244859-Eurogendfor-the-private-army-of-the-EU-ready-to-march-to-Greece [22:18:09] URL Title: "Eurogendfor" - the private army of the EU, ready to march to Greece -- Puppet Masters -- Sott.net [22:18:57] Viper: ok [22:19:11] Viper: no prob. i'm to laze to change server and if it's down for some time doesn't really matter to me. [22:20:02] i fix it with power of PHONE [22:20:04] lol [22:53:16] *** Joins: Kimsan (Kimsan@RBOSE-b8raf0.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [23:02:13] *** Quits: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-rstl57.bredband.comhem.se) (Quit: ) [23:05:54] *** Joins: Hans (qwebirc@RBOSE-j1hk9a.chello.nl) [23:06:14] Hello [23:06:28] Hi Hans [23:06:45] How are you Viper [23:06:50] good thanks [23:06:55] How are you? [23:07:44] I'm a bit tired busy day today.... [23:08:26] Hans i checked logs [23:08:40] You was talking with lukas before. [23:08:57] Yes thats true [23:09:29] iam a guy from holland he was talking about [23:09:30] hehe [23:09:40] Lukas told me that here is someone who is also from The Netherlands [23:09:51] Oke, prima [23:10:19] :) [23:10:36] Dus je hebt gelezen over mijn stuk grond, neem ik aan? [23:10:41] jah [23:11:34] rastafari [23:11:36] http://www.permacultureday.info/ [23:11:40] URL Title: May 6th 2012 | International Permaculture Day [23:11:40] Lucas had me wat link gestuurd, maar ik kreeg een dringend telefoontje en ik moest gaan. [23:12:09] Hans ik ben nu tijdelijk in buitenland, ben niet altijd online. Je kan me altijd mailen viper.outofcontrol@gmail.com [23:12:44] Oke dat is fijn. Ik zal je email even opslaan. [23:13:40] Ik werk met lukas aan freelab http://rbose.org/beta/project/freelab/view/Introduction [23:13:41] URL Title: Introduction - FreeLAB [23:14:18] Morgen moet ik vroeg op, dus ik ga maar eens naar bed. Ik zou het idee graag nog een keer bespreken met je. [23:15:04] als je tijd hebt kijk op http://rbose.org/beta/project/freelab/view/Introduction [23:15:06] URL Title: Introduction - FreeLAB [23:15:33] Ik kom morgen hier rond de avond nog een keer online. Als dat me niet lukt mail ik je wel anders. [23:15:54] is goed [23:16:17] je kan mailen of memo sturen in irc naar Viper [23:16:44] Ja, ik heb jullie hele site zo'n beetje doorgelopen. Veel interessante dingen gezien. [23:17:05] Oke dan tot morgen. [23:17:06] :) [23:17:10] tot morgen [23:18:01] *** Quits: Hans (qwebirc@RBOSE-j1hk9a.chello.nl) (Quit: Page closed) [23:55:09] http://www.sott.net/articles/show/244854-Supermoon-Alert-Biggest-Full-Moon-of-2012-Occurs-This-Week [23:55:10] URL Title: 'Supermoon' Alert: Biggest Full Moon of 2012 Occurs This Week -- Science & Technology -- Sott.net