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[10:16:25] We need chassie fans! preferbly like ten of them, standard ol'80mmx80mm fans. [10:35:09] morning Caly :) [10:36:13] Good Morning Lukas! [10:36:32] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [10:36:33] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Changing host) [10:36:35] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [10:36:36] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Calyp [10:45:52] *** Joins: Kebap (LeckerKebap@RBOSE-goo3c7.unitymediagroup.de) [10:48:33] *** Quits: Kebap23 (LeckerKebap@RBOSE-goo3c7.unitymediagroup.de) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [11:00:28] *** Quits: kman (kman@RBOSE-1vjua3.student.uu.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [11:01:54] And we're gonna need computer mouses here as well !!! [11:40:17] *** Joins: Kimsan (Kimsan@RBOSE-b8raf0.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [12:24:49] *** Joins: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-rstl57.bredband.comhem.se) [12:38:28] *** Joins: wikibot (wikibot@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [12:38:28] *** Parts: wikibot (wikibot@RBOSE-gkfu2h) [12:54:32] http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/05/how-the-professor-who-fooled-wikipedia-got-caught-by-reddit/257134/#.T7Nip2zGbOc.twitter [12:54:32] Caly's URL: http://x0.no/4o0y [12:54:32] URL Title: How the Professor Who Fooled Wikipedia Got Caught by Reddit - Yoni Appelbaum - Technology - The Atlantic [13:07:16] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [13:10:29] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE.org) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [13:16:50] Sjukt bra att lura folk dock. [13:17:11] Oh sorry, in english. [13:17:41] I like that he's fooling people, because what's written in university books and old-school litterature is also often just made up or interpretations of the author. [13:17:48] That's why wikipedia is awesome for science, but worse for history. [13:19:23] antilect: interpretation is the very basis of history, i heard that confirmed by uni history teachers [13:19:55] *** Joins: bitt (webchat@RBOSE-07kf56.priv.bahnhof.se) [13:20:09] *** Quits: bitt (webchat@RBOSE-07kf56.priv.bahnhof.se) (Quit: Page closed) [13:20:26] my favourite question is: "why is the class of international bankers missing from history books?" [13:25:23] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-jru75t.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) [13:43:26] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE.org) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [13:43:38] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-jru75t.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) [13:53:17] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [13:53:26] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Changing host) [13:53:27] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [13:53:29] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Calyp [13:55:56] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE.org) (Quit: Leaving) [13:55:56] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Client Quit) [14:04:11] *** Quits: kalken (default@RBOSE-otidpg.bredband.comhem.se) (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7) [14:04:56] *** Joins: kalken (default@RBOSE-otidpg.bredband.comhem.se) [14:37:11] *** Joins: Evil (Viper@RBOSE-fnj.k3a.168.192.IP) [15:11:23] http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/05/superweeds-a-long-predicted-problem-for-gm-crops-has-arrived/257187/ [15:11:24] URL Title: Superweeds: A Long-Predicted Problem for GM Crops Has Arrived - Marion Nestle - Health - The Atlantic [15:28:50] *** Quits: rwx (ludens@RBOSE-1a6.kh4.158.93.IP) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [15:31:52] *** Joins: rwx (ludens@RBOSE-1a6.kh4.158.93.IP) [16:30:01] *** Quits: Evil (Viper@Evil.Troll) (Connection closed) [17:20:36] thx scrdcow [19:44:42] lukas: you have to try arch linux or Parabola GNU/Linux if you can :D [19:44:45] its awesome :D [19:45:19] going to learn how to become a mainaintainer today i think https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Build_System [19:45:20] URL Title: Arch Build System - ArchWiki [19:45:30] *maintainer [19:51:40] *** Joins: Evil (Viper@RBOSE-fnj.k3a.168.192.IP) [19:59:12] Parabola? [19:59:12] :o [20:01:03] yyeah [20:01:06] arch linux libre [20:18:36] *** Joins: kman (kman@RBOSE-1vjua3.student.uu.se) [20:48:15] http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/mar/04/supermarkets-fear-egg-shortages [20:48:40] good news [20:56:12] I feel the need for a good newssource/agregator. [20:57:10] I want to read news nowadays, but only good happy news like the articles above. or rather, stuff that is of interest and can help push the good stuff forward. [20:57:50] for ex. something really bad happens that will only tear it down and further up the shift, or something really good is happening for real. [20:58:04] speed up the shift* [20:59:12] getting news filtered through irc isn't always the best, except for this channel. [20:59:33] maybe I have to start read blogs again [21:06:13] kalken: thanks for suggestion :) can you summarize what is so awesome about it? is it better than debian from your perspective and if so, why it's better? [21:08:36] *** Quits: kman (kman@RBOSE-1vjua3.student.uu.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [21:09:46] lukas: actually i just installed in a vm a few weeks ago to play with it for a while, but then i got hooked and started converting all my home-servers :D [21:10:04] i have not found anything that is not better in arch :D [21:10:33] can you be more precise? [21:10:42] ;-) [21:11:46] great package-management, very easy configurationfile-setups, awesome configs of network, iptables and other services. The idea with arch is to keep it simple, so from what i can understand they usually does not change anything from the "source"-packages to get it to work with arch [21:12:01] and its got a rolling release [21:12:02] what is it about package managment that it can do that debian cant? [21:12:11] unstable is rolling aswell. [21:12:18] its just very easy to work with [21:12:20] what about stability and testing? [21:12:56] it contains everything that is considered stable by the devs who wrote the code :D [21:13:02] kernel is at 3.3.6 atm :D [21:13:20] have not found any "bugs" yet, despite that everything is new [21:13:44] one thing that makes arch so great is also their awesome wiki [21:13:49] that reminds me, have to restart X. [21:13:51] with great tutorials [21:13:59] that I can adhere to. [21:14:10] but the rest... I would need more in-depth knowledge. [21:14:27] those who are interested should try it in a vm and find out for themselves [21:14:32] yes [21:14:42] then I skip, since I don't have time. [21:14:55] brb [21:15:07] (rather want to take time, being scheduled etc..) [21:15:19] lukas: check this for info https://wiki.archlinux.org/ [21:15:20] URL Title: ArchWiki [21:15:57] lukas: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Build_System [21:15:58] URL Title: Arch Build System - ArchWiki [21:16:23] i would try, but i'm afraid that my hardware's specs do not let me run me any vm [21:16:28] i'm going through that right now, so maybe i can become a package maintainer in a near future :D [21:16:47] lukas: ah :( we have to get you a better computer then! [21:16:49] :] [21:16:57] maybe i can send some stuff down [21:17:01] :) [21:17:28] kalken: i would get a one already a while ago but i don't like the today machines with bios one can mess up remotely :| [21:17:36] i got a hold of two laptops with pentium m 1.86 ghz processors today! [21:17:46] nice [21:17:51] have to try arch or parabola on there :D [21:17:54] pretty decent machines [21:17:57] depending on what hardware is in them [21:18:04] scrdcow: yes. IBM thinkpads! [21:18:11] t42 and t43 [21:18:18] so its decent machines [21:18:56] lukas: working with linux the cpu is usually on 9% anyways :D [21:18:56] kalken: :-D [21:19:24] and on a desktop almost all cpu-problems disapear if one uninstalls flash :D [21:19:28] kalken: I found one T23 at the freeshop a couple of years ago, very happy! pentium III m 1,4ghz, pretty decent. but then I got my X and... a threesome emerged. [21:19:50] :) [21:20:00] but as a backup machine <3 [21:20:13] (and also that it's IBM) [21:20:13] i'd love to see a open source laptop in a near future. [21:20:23] atleast one that doesn't suck [21:20:26] buildwize [21:20:34] or what did you mean by open source laptop? [21:20:36] maybe one can convert these minicomputers to laptops [21:20:49] raspberry pi etc. [21:20:58] ok, open design/open hardware. there already are. [21:21:00] yeah, i would love to see more free hardware too [21:21:15] lukas: i dont know if you ever tried gentoo linux? [21:21:19] free design/free hardware perhaps. [21:21:42] i run that for a few years (source based dist). Much of their layout and handling of the system is similar to arch linux [21:21:51] but for ex the always innovating laptop is both old hardware wise these days and bad build quality [21:21:58] no special stuff, and every systemsettings are in very clean files [21:22:47] arch is also community driven (like debian) so that is nice [21:23:03] I can't really afford (and the environment can't) to buy random free hardware/free design electronics just to support a company so that they can make better stuff later on. [21:23:14] kalken: i was running g2 for several years :) loved it, but then it happened that got to compile few times in raw some stuff and my machine was occupied like 24h each time, simply too much code for a one kernel [21:23:19] but I still want to, so they can continue. [21:23:30] lukas: yeah same here :) [21:23:33] same here. [21:23:35] arch is binary though [21:23:40] and very very fast [21:23:45] uses tar.gz files [21:23:49] and also managed to break portage a couple of times. which needed complete reinstall ;-D [21:24:04] ...it was over 1GB of raw code each time [21:24:24] ive actually done some ebuilds to gentoo in the past, so maybe abs arch could go fast to learn :D [21:24:26] it encouraged me to run alot of bleeding edge stuff because it was so easy to make ebuild files of shit. [21:25:17] my experience is that people have learned to handle dists better now than in the past [21:25:25] i have not had a system meltdown in years [21:25:31] me neither. [21:25:38] its usually no problem if one knows what one is doing [21:25:47] only linuxppc (rpm-based) and gentoo (twice) hehe [21:25:49] and dont just "upgrade" because one can :D [21:25:56] no other system have ever melted down on me. [21:26:06] before or since [21:26:29] running arch on the host of several kvms is the test here :D [21:26:39] we'll see how that works out in time :D [21:26:40] hehe [21:26:42] yeah [21:26:55] for me a longtime stable distro is what I want these days. [21:27:05] :) [21:27:12] before I didn't mind as much, I was constantly fucking around with it anyways. [21:27:22] but now I more want to be able to just trust it and let it go. [21:27:23] just dont upgrade things that are not broken then :D [21:27:35] yes [21:27:39] upgrades is usually to get new functions, or to tighten security [21:27:49] and most linuxes just have ssh and webserver to the outside [21:27:59] depends. [21:28:04] so as long as they are stable, stuff is stable [21:28:16] run less code, you get it stable and more secure. [21:28:46] ofc. Thats why i dont like ubuntu. I'm not in control when running it [21:28:54] and they got very special things [21:28:59] regarding grub etc [21:29:02] no, they change stuff, you have to go with the program. [21:29:16] things i dont fully understand, despite spending several hours with it [21:29:23] or if you don't want to, you still have to go with it, and then opt out. [21:29:46] that how it seems nowadays to me. [21:30:25] looking at a documentary about information overload, taking about multitasking and how bad it is. [21:30:36] I have to pause it and rewatch all the time because I irc at the same time :-D [21:30:55] hehe your living the doc then :D [21:30:59] hehe yes [21:34:08] i chose arch over parabola just because some of my hardware does not run well with the available drivers (eg nvidia) [21:34:21] a sad state. [21:34:38] hopefully when my comp is 4-5 years old, the firmware for my wifi-card will be free :-D [21:34:41] but i managed to get everything up and running without using anything closed except drivers [21:34:55] so that is a step in the right direction [21:35:17] now if people would only stop using rar-archiver i would almost be happy again :D [21:35:23] it's only drivers and firmware that is the problem. hence the kernel unless running a free one with the unfree shit taken out. [21:35:30] ooh.. rar [21:35:35] forgot about that one. [21:35:44] rar is a stupid format [21:35:49] yet people are using it [21:35:55] raaaawr [21:36:05] yeah. Gives me nightmares [21:36:13] I should fix the flash issue once and for aal. [21:36:14] all* [21:36:28] i want to cry when i see a big file splitted into 100 mb rar-shit [21:36:45] people who do that have no idea what network protocols today is about [21:36:52] I understand it because of heritage, but still not really needed today I guess. [21:36:58] the idea to split files comes from bbs and crappy lines [21:37:09] where one could not resume uploads/downloads [21:37:10] bbs and disks [21:37:19] especially disks. [21:37:23] to do that today is just stupid [21:37:24] because of size limit. [21:37:36] and since people swapped discs before bbses (and during the same time) [21:37:45] fat is the worst filesystem available today and it supports 4 GB files [21:38:24] it was always so fucking annoying to find out one disk of a new game or program were fucked, and you have to resend the floppys with stuff and then wait to get it returned. [21:38:28] but people who use that for large files are probably stupid enough to handle all small files anywah [21:38:32] *anyway [21:38:47] fat64 is reallly bad ;-( [21:39:26] yeah, i'll try to upgrade him to fatext4 soon [21:39:27] not many use vfat/fat32 anymore anyways. only on usb-thumbsticks and such. [21:39:30] hehe [21:39:35] ext64 [21:39:45] btrfs64 [21:41:02] i sort of dont like snapshot systems :D [21:41:13] or it depends. ITs very hard to delete content then :D [21:41:15] ok, trying a new rpm-dist (feodora) and arch is on my list of things I shall/want/can do. [21:41:33] depending on time. [21:41:50] because it really involves taking care of alot of other shit first so that I have a nice working place. [21:42:01] :) [21:42:09] both physicaly and inside the comp (free up space and all that). [21:43:07] i have worked with many distros, and i really like when things are ordered in an easy and structured way. So thats why arch caught my attention in the first place [21:43:39] maybe i can produce some guides to help people get started [21:43:45] I understand that [21:43:58] understood* [21:44:29] getting rid of bash and screen and irssi is the first key to a functional system :D [21:44:38] zsh, tmux, weechat is awesome [21:46:57] o well. Time to relax now. have a good time folks! [21:53:17] bye [21:53:21] you too :) [21:57:18] kalken would be cool. my first try to get arch linux working fail [21:57:27] guide on arch page did not help me [21:58:54] what did you have trouble with? [22:02:18] anyways, i have all steps written down so i might be able to produce a simple guide for language, encryption of drives, lvm, samba, kvm (libvirt), samba, routing etc. [22:08:18] kalken don't remember something with setting up settings in scripts [22:08:36] or how its called [22:08:53] i mess up at that step system did not boot correctly [23:01:12] *** Joins: kman (kman@RBOSE-1vjua3.student.uu.se) [23:12:00] Evil: ok. I think this explains the steps quite good regarding that: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_Guide [23:12:01] URL Title: Beginners' Guide - ArchWiki [23:12:49] thanks kalken :) [23:34:28] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4EWOoPY5OY&feature=related [23:34:30] You4Tube 2[Title] biogas plant construction 2[Category] Tech 2[Duration] 0:06:27 2[Views] 53212 2[Rating] 4.95 2[Uploaded] 2011-03-16 2[Description] this is an instructional video taking you through all the processes of the improved biogas plant construction. plant is in kampala, Uganda. [23:52:23] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS5x91CZbtY [23:52:24] You4Tube 2[Title] Road testing a Stirling engine powered buggy, (filmed in Norwich England, 2001) 2[Category] Autos 2[Duration] 0:03:23 2[Views] 429054 2[Rating] 4.85 2[Uploaded] 2010-09-20 2[Description] This demonstration was actually filmed in 2001 not as stated, in the video, in 2010--my typo Bob. 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