[00:00:38] Dont have the space or the need to experiment with biogas atm.. [00:00:43] Jealous ^^ [00:02:00] you can build a small one on roof or something [00:04:45] No use for the gas atm. Need the nitrogen for the soil ^^ [00:06:59] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osTegp3FBMg would be greate if we could translate this video [00:07:00] You4Tube 2[Title] Como construir biodecompositores orgânicos 2[Category] Travel 2[Duration] 0:06:56 2[Views] 44616 2[Rating] 4.69 2[Uploaded] 2010-10-29 2[Description] Veja o passo a passo da técnica que garante vantagens ao meio ambiente e ainda melhora a produtividade do solo. [00:07:07] he explain all steps [00:10:36] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgDWjESSuLk [00:10:37] You4Tube 2[Title] Portable Power Station - Urban Survival 2[Category] Howto 2[Duration] 0:01:09 2[Views] 479208 2[Rating] 4.57 2[Uploaded] 2010-03-18 2[Description] http://envirosponsible.com What would you do for light if the grid went down? I put some components together and created an emergency lighting solution. The wind generator is a 10W vawt, and the solar panels are 1.8W each. They trickle charge a 12V battery that [00:16:39] kman in the UK [00:18:28] DZR__, Growing anything? [00:22:05] Evil, awesome. Checking now. [00:26:22] Dont know about that portable power station, but the barrel biogas reactor looked nice. Would be cool to make a reprapable kit to turn plastic drums into reactors ^^ [00:27:29] i use similar barrel [00:27:51] i got used one Not new [00:27:55] But its still good [00:33:19] kman always growing some stuff somewhere... Might well start some intensive late season planting in the next week [00:33:20] For the methane production? [00:33:58] yes [00:34:13] Cool! [00:34:58] just arrived at one of my growing spots I havent been to since January [00:35:13] DZR__, good idea. My apartment has been a transplant school for about three months. All space but the kitchen bench is covered by plants waiting to go into the lots. [00:35:15] harvested some perennial leaves for salad [00:35:20] Sweet [00:35:28] What perennials? [00:35:39] the ones I sent you links to b4 [00:35:45] Ramsons and sorrell [00:36:30] Both good friends of mine as well [00:36:32] :> [00:37:33] picked some http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garlic_mustard and nice fresh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lime_tree leaves wild (street trees) while I was walking here [00:37:34] URL Title: Alliaria petiolata - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [00:37:57] Haha [00:38:15] Wow.. yeah we dont have those growing in the streets. [00:38:38] Lime trees are very common here for street trees [00:38:50] No wait.. we have plenty of garlic mustard. [00:39:00] 'w Tilia [00:39:08] !w Tilia [00:39:11] Tilia | Tilia is a genus of about 30 species of trees native throughout most of the temperate Northern Hemisphere. They are generally called lime in Britain and linden or basswood in North America. The greatest species diversity is found in Asia, and the genus also occurs in Europe and eastern North America, but not western North America. Under the Cronquist classification system, this genus was [00:39:12] placed in the family Tiliaceae, but genetic research by the Angiosperm Phylogeny Group (APG) has resulted in the incorporation of this family into the Malvaceae. Tilia species are large deciduous trees, reaching typically 20 to 40 metres (66 to 130 ft) tall, with oblique-cordate leaves 6 to 20 centimetres (2 to 8 in) acr @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilia [00:39:41] I think (hope) I'm right in saying they are all edible... [00:39:50] The young leaves are good.... [00:40:32] You seen this http://www.richsoil.com/hugelkultur/ [00:40:33] URL Title: raised garden beds: hugelkultur instead of irrigation [00:40:52] We made to hugelkultur beds last year actually. [00:41:01] Growing pumpkin and stuff in em this year [00:41:43] I used to call them German beds and use sticks and stuff (max 2cm thick) [00:41:58] Never thought about making great piles of logs like shown on that page [00:42:56] As I said I have made raised beds with loads of woodchip in the bottom (to hold the water - and keep the temperature up a bit in the winter [00:43:37] I do some work as a tree surgeon, got lots of friends who do the same, so got no problems getting lots of wood or woodchip [00:44:55] wow cool [00:47:45] kman I've used woodchip as a mulch a lot over the years (10 years as a commercial gardener / tree surgeon) mainly round trees and shrubs (bushes). [00:48:19] But sometimes around herbaceous perennials [00:48:26] and even sometimes annuals [00:48:28] DZR__, yeah. Just wish my community had access to a shredder. [00:48:45] never really noticed any big problems [00:48:57] Well for the anti-weed aspect of it, we've been using it for all kinds of plants. [00:49:30] Stick to comfrey and grass clippings to annuals and green-leafed veggies whenever i can though. [00:49:43] kman Flogsta in a big town?? [00:49:53] Flogsta is a part of uppsala [00:50:04] uppsala ? [00:50:10] Sort of the student part of the city. [00:50:16] A city near Stockholm ^^ [00:50:40] sorry I thought it was the name for the food project didnt realise it was the place [00:51:02] Well the project is actually called Flogsta Food, so your not far out [00:51:28] If you call round the companies that cut trees in the city - maybe also talk to the local authority tree workers [00:51:50] You'll probably find someone that will let you have loads cheap or free. [00:52:04] For some people it can be problematic getting rid of the stuff [00:52:16] Really? Hmm.. Might give that a go. [00:52:23] Depends on the amount you get, what kind of work you do etc. [00:52:43] Not you but the tree cutters [00:52:48] Kind of over-worked at the moment. Just organized a manure drop-off with a local farmer. [00:53:46] Manure I wouldnt put on as a fresh mulch around food.... [00:54:26] We dont. Personally, i dont have much use for it, given how much i compost. [00:54:27] Did you have the problem there with the new pesticide on straw that remains effective after its been through a horse!!! [00:54:49] Wow that sounds nasty [00:54:58] Got any sources for that? [00:55:00] Yeah hold on I find link.... [00:58:27] http://www.gardenorganic.org.uk/organicgardening/herbicide_damage.php [00:58:28] URL Title: Herbicide contamination of manure and straw [00:58:39] think they still have a licence to sell.... [00:58:50] Messed up lots of peoples food crops [00:59:32] Dow Chemicals...... [01:00:03] Actually I guess not so new.... [01:00:53] I've never had problems - I dont often use manure (got plenty of woodchip and can get big amounts of very well rotted shredded green waste very cheap) [01:01:32] *** Quits: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-rstl57.bredband.comhem.se) (Quit: ) [01:03:08] People are crazy about it here for some reason. We've got an abundance of biomass from all the food waste around here and comfrey grows everywhere. Still people think its a better idea to just shove manure into the soil rather than helping out with the composts. [01:04:24] Ok.. Last bread just finished baking. [01:04:30] Off to bed. [01:04:31] I think it must add stuff you wouldnt otherwise get... still it does smell :D [01:04:38] create methan. Leftover is a prefect compost [01:04:55] Is it, Evil? [01:05:02] Leftover is deprived of nitrogen. [01:05:06] thought it was all a bit nasty [01:05:11] slimey [01:05:24] needed adding to a big big compost pile [01:05:37] It would probaly be good as humus, but the nutritional value of it must be quite low. [01:05:44] Anyways. Catch you all later. [01:05:47] *poff [01:05:48] ... with anaerobic digestion that is [01:05:51] *** Quits: kman (kman@RBOSE-1vjua3.student.uu.se) (Quit: Leaving) [01:06:14] from what i read it is good umm [01:14:29] Seen this ??? http://s.coop/mej4 [01:15:58] Sorry Evil - I could be mistaken but I did do a fair bit of research on anaerobic about 6 years back and I'm sure I remember it was a bit problematic.... [01:16:35] .... the waste that is - really needed to be put through a compost heap...... [01:17:15] I could be getting confused with other bio energy "waste" products..... [01:18:39] DZR__ when you create methan is that not same as compost only in a close system? [01:18:56] composting* [01:20:35] I'm not sure- think, maybe you get it when anything rots.... [01:21:33] you do get anaerobic or aerobic rotting / composting and anaerobic stuff is not nice to play with [01:21:54] i see [01:22:02] If you just pile up stuff full of nitrogen without woody (high carbon) stuff you get this [01:22:39] Customers who had huge lawns would sometimes cut with a tractor (nice job for a sunday afternoon??) [01:22:40] so i need to add wood? [01:23:28] Probably not if you are aiming to make gas.... but I'm not an expert [01:23:40] i am newbie [01:23:46] lol [01:23:55] I've never done any [01:24:28] Saw a small scale - big rubber sack with waste from two pigs making the gas [01:24:34] couple of weeks ago [01:24:51] Also looked at plans for larger scale production [01:25:06] Dainish Folkcenter [01:25:31] have done a lot of work... although I think they may have taken some of their reports offline [01:25:45] hoping to sell some of the knowledge (to keep themselves going) [01:25:50] you can get up too 600% more GAS from green waste then animal waste [01:26:01] Yeah!!!! I surprised [01:26:13] and much faster [01:26:54] I know that press cake from pressing vegetable oil adds a great boost to production [01:27:24] nice [01:28:35] i am off to sleep [01:28:56] good night folks [01:29:04] http://www.diigo.com/user/dazinism/biogas ignore the google adds [01:29:06] -nobody- Out`Of`Control has quit FREENODE (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [01:29:06] URL Title: biogas - Darren Hill on Diigo [01:29:12] And good night!! [01:29:42] DZT__ thanks i add check it later! [01:30:39] *** Quits: Evil (Viper@Evil.Troll) (Connection closed) [01:47:46] http://www.indiegogo.com/C3 [01:47:48] URL Title: C3: The 100 mpg, Open Source, Comfy Commuter Car -- Indiegogo [01:51:52] This should be here too http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/the-joe-justice-interview-the-state-of-p2p-production-methods/2012/05/16 [03:05:15] DZR__: adblock plus with the default list seems to block them pretty decent. [03:06:35] holy cow!!! [03:09:41] DZR__: the come dine with me link came from... swedish vegetarian fair and donna smith from that show being a guest -> search -> found site [03:10:44] DZR__: if you don't know it it's this homecooking show where the participants eat at each others homes, and she is vegan and I found it interesting to see how that worked out and what reception she got etc. [03:11:59] aha yeah I looky now...... thought you were talking about the links I just posted..... [03:12:18] DZR__: the show won't suck me in thou I guess hehe. when it comes to interests like this its pretty easy to just look at the important/interesting stuff. [03:12:28] DZR__: hehe ok [03:12:49] DZR__: not that important. just wanted to answer you, you left before when I came back to the computer. [03:14:02] have to take a goodnight game, clear my mind, and then go to sleep for many many hours. [03:16:17] (hopefully) [03:19:20] Its Series 21 Episode 23 [03:20:06] wants me to register so I can stream - I've no way of catching it though.. [03:21:07] Also got to sleep soon.... very much overdue gone beyond tired.... [03:51:31] major won! but... why are people so ba loosers. so many people quit the game before I finnish. [03:51:49] DZR__: ok, thx for looking into it. no need to register and crap like that. [03:52:18] hate all register bullshit. [03:52:33] just give me the warez, the data :-D [03:58:05] *** Quits: DZR__ (Darren@RBOSE-k16g2u.as13285.net) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [09:10:34] *** Joins: kman (kman@RBOSE-1vjua3.student.uu.se) [09:45:28] *** Quits: kman (kman@RBOSE-1vjua3.student.uu.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [13:08:19] *** Joins: kman (kman@RBOSE-1vjua3.student.uu.se) [13:23:36] *** Quits: kman (kman@RBOSE-1vjua3.student.uu.se) (Connection closed) [14:06:18] *** Joins: Hoogin_Workshop (webchat@RBOSE-ak2r0n.etanet.se) [15:28:27] *** Joins: DZR (Darren@RBOSE-dm0vpn.as13285.net) [15:31:25] Morning o/ - well..... little bit later..... [15:47:17] yo [15:59:05] scrdcow - whats good software for video screen capture [15:59:07] ?? [15:59:08] ??[x]: Usage: ?? [> nick] [16:00:26] *** Quits: Hoogin_Workshop (webchat@RBOSE-ak2r0n.etanet.se) (Quit: Page closed) [16:40:36] *** Joins: DZR_ (Darren@RBOSE-bnm0la.as13285.net) [16:46:36] *** Quits: DZR (Darren@RBOSE-dm0vpn.as13285.net) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [16:47:42] *** Joins: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-rstl57.bredband.comhem.se) [16:53:08] *** Joins: kman (kman@RBOSE-1vjua3.student.uu.se) [16:54:25] Hello kman [16:54:37] Gday ! [16:58:05] Had a good day? [17:00:57] DZR_: I don't know sorry. I haven't dealt much with video capturing/editing. [17:01:41] DZR_: I cant learn/get into stuff unless I have projects and I don't have any video projects. [17:01:58] DZR_: it helps is someone need help, because then I can get into it. [17:08:47] *** Quits: Kebap23 (LeckerKebap@RBOSE-goo3c7.unitymediagroup.de) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [17:10:56] kman Only just starting really.... [17:12:21] *** Joins: Kebap (LeckerKebap@RBOSE-goo3c7.unitymediagroup.de) [17:12:35] kman you seen http://permaculture.org.au/2012/02/25/perennial-staple-crops-of-the-world/ [17:12:36] URL Title: Perennial Staple Crops of the World Permaculture Research Institute [17:13:24] scrdcow - I can watch that 'come dine with me' [17:14:54] DZR_, cool! Need something specific for northern climates though. [17:15:10] There are a few in there I think [17:15:15] (very few) [17:16:14] Yeah.. [17:16:35] DZR_: ok, you registered anyway? [17:16:37] But the principles of usage can still be applied more broadly i guess. [17:17:01] kman: what "growing zone" do you have? [17:18:35] My part of uppsala is in a Zone III i think. [17:18:43] ok [17:18:54] I read through a hard copy of this recently http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/smith/treecropsToC.html [17:18:55] URL Title: Russell Smith - Tree Crops - ToC [17:19:01] So we have walnuts growing (although iv heard the have had a hard time coping with the last two winters). [17:20:11] kman: I could get you a list of perennials that work up here, but it's different, zone 6-7 etc. [17:20:32] whats the zone rating???? [17:20:57] DZR_: you don't have it in uk. not sure whats its based upon but well.. its from 1-8. [17:21:08] koppen [17:21:09] ? [17:21:16] koppen? [17:21:54] !w Köppen_climate_classification [17:21:57] Köppen climate classification | The Köppen climate classification is one of the most widely used climate classification systems. It was first published by Russian German climatologist Wladimir Köppen in 1884, with several later modifications by Köppen himself, notably in 1918 and 1936. Later, German climatologist Rudolf Geiger collaborated with Köppen on changes to the classification system, which is [17:21:58] thus sometimes referred to as the Köppen–Geiger climate classification system. The system is based on the concept that native vegetation is the best expression of climate. Thus, climate zone boundaries have been selected with vegetation distribution in mind. It combines average annual and monthly temperatures and precipitation, and the seasona @ [17:21:59] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6ppen_climate_classification [17:22:08] that was from a quick search.... [17:22:09] aah.. have to look it up. [17:22:44] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> the köppen scale only applies to a specific country, right [17:22:59] Im in 'the' zone!!!! [17:23:01] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> i.e. the UK köppen scale, the Norwegian köppen scale etc [17:23:12] It should, given that it is based on local vegetation patterns. [17:23:33] DZR_: doesn't seem to be köppen. [17:23:41] :D [17:24:16] this redirect rbose<->freenode is creepy [17:24:31] yeah [17:24:32] -nobody- scrdcow has joined on FREENODE [17:24:34] 09<04scrdcow@FREENODE09> creepy [17:24:50] 2 of you!!! [17:25:02] 09<04scrdcow@FREENODE09> but only three creeps here, and now I know who they are ;-) [17:25:03] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> omg \ö/ [17:25:35] -nobody- scrdcow has left on FREENODE [17:25:52] magnatron you got a weird halo / tentacles on your head!!!! [17:25:56] thats creepy [17:26:34] should hack the server so that people show up in the chanlist here on the rbose network. but maybe it's hard to do with irc. [17:27:13] swedish pirateparty did it for skype <-> xmpp. so that every skype user shows up in the xmpp MUC, and everything looks nice. [17:30:02] magnetron - quick look at the koppen page on wikipedia looks like it may not be within countries but international??? [17:30:49] scrdcow that is just showing off though..... isn't it?? [17:31:11] DZR_, " The system is based on the concept that native vegetation is the best expression of climate. Thus, climate zone boundaries have been selected with vegetation distribution in mind." [17:31:28] DZR_: no, it's years of trying to get the pirateparty off from proprietary software that it states itself it shouldn't use. [17:31:28] How can a system based on the expression of native vegetation be applied internationally? [17:31:51] DZR_: or atleast, support. rather, that it should support open and free software. [17:31:53] hmm i think awesome windowmanager would be awesome-er if somebody had a simple guide on how they thought i should be using it :D [17:32:18] DZR_: but people wouldn't move from skype and xmpp users didn't move to skype, and this helps, people can shift slowly. [17:33:16] kman - native vegetation grows everywhere (it is native).. yes?? [17:33:17] kman: because native vegetation is perhaps treeted as wild growing stuff. and it's native for the specific region across the globe. [17:33:30] kalken: it's a framework wm, you can use it any way you want ;-) [17:33:52] it doesnt recognise the boarders us humans create between things we call nations [17:34:37] kalken: but there is great info in the wiki for various stuff. but if you want to master it you would have to learn a bit of lua and hack the config. I haven't gotten to that part yet ;-) [17:35:03] (and also look through all the shit written for awesome) [17:36:07] kman it does appear that the closer you get to the equator the easier growing perennial staples gets... [17:36:20] perhaps we should all follow Caly .... :D [17:36:24] Haha [17:36:27] hehe [17:36:32] Yeah iv had that thought more than once. [17:36:45] to hot :-/ [17:36:46] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> geodesic domes [17:36:54] magnetron: yes? [17:36:58] magneton ?? [17:37:26] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> maybe we can grow staples perennieals in the cold north by using greenhouses [17:37:27] I kind of prefer a log cabin i could build with my hands, an axe and some lumber. [17:37:43] Oh for green houses. [17:38:08] magnetron you seen http://www.youtube.com/user/jamieclarke321?feature=BF [17:38:09] URL Title: jamieclarke321 - YouTube [17:38:31] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> i want to keep bees but i have nowhere to put them :( [17:38:32] magnetron: you can extend the growing season, for ex if you heat it with compost. but if you want to grow year round maybe you would need a stove for ex rocket stove. [17:39:13] magnetron where you at??? [17:39:16] scrdcow, that doesnt cover the loss of sunlight though. [17:39:30] kman: true [17:39:38] But less demanding plants could probably be grown that way [17:39:43] vampires dont need sunlight [17:39:46] Would be worth experimenting with. [17:39:49] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> DZR_: no i have not seen it [17:39:50] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> what is it [17:39:58] kman: yeah, some extra perenials. [17:40:30] geodesic greenhouse - someone involved with OpenSOurceEcology Europe [17:40:31] kman: some people here do experiments here every year, try to grow new stuff in new ways etc. [17:41:28] scrdcow, for sure ^^ [17:41:28] kman: to find out what more could be grown. [17:41:38] Its got to be cost benefit though..... [17:41:47] Here in the Uk 150 years ago [17:41:56] lots of work was done so that [17:42:19] rich people would have fresh 'tropical' fruit from their glass houses [17:43:13] so they could impress their friends [17:43:52] "oooh, look at my big banana! want you have a taste, it's soooo fresh!" [17:44:09] you write for porn movies?? [17:44:17] maybe I should ;-) [17:44:28] I dont mind tending a fruit tree in a greenhouse to impress friends. [17:44:34] ^^ [17:44:38] have to care of our swedish cultural heritage [17:45:00] start local-produced and consumed porno. [17:45:25] :D [17:45:56] kman I've got a good friend here who planted 2 nectarine stones in his small glass house [17:46:10] he gets loads of fruit - and little work [17:46:16] Wonderful :> [17:46:20] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> fäbodsjäntan [17:46:22] other that pruning to stop the trees breaking the glass [17:46:43] Which is really just fun work. [17:46:45] magnetron: haha yes, it was filmed here where I live :-D so that subject comes up now and then. [17:46:49] fäbodsjäntan ??? [17:47:03] DZR_: old classic swedish porno [17:47:03] is that where you at??? where that at??? [17:47:10] DZR_: skattungbyn [17:47:17] so where your mind is at??? [17:47:30] DZR_: the municipality of orsa [17:47:42] DZR_: my mind? not in a porno atleast.. not 24/7 anyways ;-) [17:47:42] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> a swedish porno involving mountainous rural landscapes and a scene including a traditional swedish sausage [17:47:54] :D [17:48:10] oh dear what we started...... [17:48:26] magnetron: I've tried to research the subject of the sausage. the closest I got was some guy saying he saw the filmteam by it in the store. [17:48:28] I'm gonna get all excited now..... is their skipping through fields??? [17:48:31] buy* [17:48:51] DZR_: hehe a bit [17:49:23] DZR_: they fuck in barns, hang out by the river, got horny by the sound of this old horn... etc [17:49:26] magnetron you in sweeden too [17:49:28] get* [17:51:08] kman - I ws thinking more the amount of manure they used to have to shift about to keep the glass houses hot!! [17:51:36] Heh yeah. [17:51:49] Could just use kitchen waste instead. [17:52:11] http://www.rysarnytt.se/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/fabodj%C3%A4ntan2.jpg [17:52:16] Need a fair bit to make a decent amount of heat [17:52:34] they heated with manure? hehe heavy. [17:52:39] scrdcow - I'm not sure I wasnt to look at that link..... [17:53:21] It is crazy how much heat is made in a pile of woodchip though!!! (I'm very familiar) [17:53:51] Piles smoking (well giving off steam?) in the winter [17:54:24] DZR_: only woodchip? hmm... [17:55:00] scrd - only woodchip what.... heat (no) me familiar (yes) [17:55:19] You need a lot of fresh material to get good heat [17:55:36] soo you mean not only woodchip but a compost of woodchip innit? [17:55:58] They do it with commercial green waste recycling. Everything put through a shredder [17:56:15] no tree surgery woodchip [17:56:29] yes, they do it here. we were thinking of using it for insolation in a dome. [17:56:33] maybe. [17:56:41] or rather strawbale. [17:56:54] but it was one of the ideas. [17:57:12] in summer or for trees that dont drop their leaves the chip has the leaves in too [17:57:39] tree surgery chip is often prunings rather than whole trees [17:57:53] so I guess tends to have more leaves [17:58:01] prolly [17:58:42] what for dome insulation?? [17:59:18] shit I looked..... [17:59:29] that sausage has gotta of hurt..... [18:02:33] kman would kitchen waste has too much nitrogen on its own??? Guess easy(ish) to add carbon [18:02:45] sawdust, newspapers ..... [18:04:03] hahaha [18:06:09] DZR_: it was an idea to do it in cal earth dome style. the guy who came up with it has met nader kalili himself and have good understanding of it. but since thermal mass is'nt really workable here in the north he thought about woodchips and sawdust mixture. [18:06:24] DZR_: but the other idea was to build a strawbale dome. well see. [18:08:39] DZR_: a dome will be build either way. (used for darkness retreats and maybe other things) [18:08:43] gtg bbl [18:09:10] see ya :) [18:20:19] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> DZR_: i think even leaves have a too low carbon/nitrogen ratio [18:20:39] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> so you can add some branches or as you said newspapers [18:27:12] *** Quits: Kimsan (Kimsan@RBOSE-b8raf0.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.) [18:32:03] magnetron leaves can differ... [18:32:47] some tend to still have a fair bit of nitrogen (I think??) [18:33:55] I've seen piles of grass (leaves) not rotting well - (going anaerobic) mix in a load of scrunched up or shredded newspaper and its alright [18:36:34] *** Joins: DZR__ (Darren@RBOSE-5smln4.as13285.net) [18:42:46] *** Quits: DZR_ (Darren@RBOSE-bnm0la.as13285.net) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [19:13:22] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> DZR_: that's probably related to the kind of wood. hardwoods like birch and oak are rich on lignin which makes them very hard to decompose [19:13:30] 03<14magnetron@FREENODE03> even the leaves [19:14:48] magnetron - yeah for sure lots of different leaves [19:35:20] *** Quits: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-rstl57.bredband.comhem.se) (Quit: ) [19:48:24] *** Joins: Kimsan (Kimsan@RBOSE-b8raf0.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [20:14:25] *** Quits: DZR__ (Darren@RBOSE-5smln4.as13285.net) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [20:24:26] *** Joins: DZR__ (Darren@RBOSE-stf7th.as13285.net) [20:39:12] *** Joins: antilect (antilect@RBOSE-rstl57.bredband.comhem.se) [21:44:08] *** Joins: Fredi125 (qwebirc@RBOSE-89j2si.mc.videotron.ca) [21:59:49] I gotta talk with you guys soon, but if anybody's interested, i've been developing an idea of a decentralized society where everybody is the master of its own life, where cooperation advantages people and is rewarded [22:00:00] the website is www.thehumansociety.net/en [22:00:26] *** Quits: Fredi125 (qwebirc@RBOSE-89j2si.mc.videotron.ca) (Quit: Page closed) [23:39:52] *** Quits: kman (kman@RBOSE-1vjua3.student.uu.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [23:45:18] *** Quits: Kimsan (Kimsan@RBOSE-b8raf0.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.)